Comments by "whyamimrpink78" (@whyamimrpink78) on ""I Do Not Support A Livable Wage" - GOP Candidate" video.

Child labor laws are pointless at this time. More kids are living with their parents longer and enrolling on college. We just passed a law a few years ago allowing kids to stay on their parents healthcare insurance until they are 26. If we remove child labor laws kids will not be working in the mines. Stop the fear mongering.
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"you prove his damn point you dunce" How? More kids are attending college, living with parents longer and joining the workforce later.
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Phillip Fry, those are developing countries. We are developed.
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Eragon7, I live near a poor neighborhood. I work in many Title I schools. I have seen poor people. I want them to do better. Raising the min. wage does not do that. Many teenagers would benefit from working a job but can't as the min. wage prices them out of the market. Allowing them to get a job gives them these advantages 1. They learn responsibilities by showing up to work on time and managing a schedule. 2. They interact with others and work with others 3. They earn money 4. They gain work experience and when they get older and look for another job they can get recommended by their former boss. That recommendation is more valuable then one from a friend. 5. They have the chance to place themselves in an environment they may enjoy more, such as away from home if it is a broken home On other parts of your comment. I agree, some parents don't care. Don't you want that child as a teen to have the chance to work and move up in life? Also, you can work and attend college. It requires work.
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Bob Feen, I agree. We are a developed country. Companies are not going to hire children and the vast majority of children are not going to work. What is ironic is that people like Kyle and his viewers supported Bernie Sanders who said in his campaign that teenage unemployment is too high. But now they feel that removing child labor laws will mean more children will be forced to work? They are not working to begin with.
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" Businesses hire children all the time in countries that have no child labor laws." They are also poor, developing countries as well. "The reason why children usually don't have a choice in the matter is because they are children. If a kid's parents want them to work and there are no laws protecting them, there's nothing they can do." If you have parents that are that bad at parenting then it might actually behoove the kid to work as it will get them out of a broken home.
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"Most places [even minimum wage jobs] will not hire you unless you have a GED or are IN school to get one" That is a sign the min. wage is too high. That is why the min. wage is said to remove the lower rungs of the economic ladder. Someone without a high school diploma should still be able to get a job. A kid that messes up can still have a chance and there are adult education programs for them. "And that brings us back to the main topic yet again of how to fix the fact that most wages are not living wages." Define a "living wage". What are the standards? That is a very vague phrase. "People should not be working full time in a job and not be able to sustain themselves." Only around 2% of min. wage workers work full time. The vast majority of those earning $9.50/hr or less are not poor. A lot who are poor don't even have a job. How will raising the min. wage help them? Problems exist, I agree. Nothing is ideal. I support giving people opportunity. The min. wage takes that away.
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Amir, define "livable wages".
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"Living wage in that state is 12 dollar/hour ... thats still less than 2000 dollar/month/worker OK people how crappy business are you running if you cant get that ?" I live off of $1500 a month. Also, if you can't justify a higher wage then you are a crappy worker.
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WWZenaDo, Walmart supported a min. wage increase at one point knowing it will hut smaller competitors. Also, saying this " If people can't afford to eat - can't afford to live with a roof over their heads, then what makes that stupid bitch think they'll be able to BUY anything at those "small businesses" she pretends to be so damned concerned about." Those businesses already exist. People are buying from them. They just have a model that doesn't allow them to pay more. That is how the market works.
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When broken down there is not one single good reason to even have a min. wage. Also, the term "living wage" is a meaningless phrase as it is subjective.
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Because sitting there bitching about a system instead of working to improve your life will get you nowhere.
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TheShadowOfMadness, you are not presenting Gringrich in the proper context. He supported allowing kids to do work in public schools as that can 1. save money for the schools 2. give them work experience which will behoove them more 3. allow them to earn money
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Charcoal the Cat, Kyle's boy Bernie Sanders just ran a campaign where one point he made was that teenage unemployment was too high. They can't even get a job if they want it? What makes you think that removing child labor laws will all of a sudden mean those businesses want to hire those children? Now who is the dunce?
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" that. is. because. the. child. labour. laws." First off, what are you talking about? I said a lot. The economy evolved. We are developed. More children are living with their parents at a later age and are entering the work force later, as in their late 20s. When I first attended grad school I met someone who was 23 who was just getting their first job. Unless you can specify what I said that was wrong and why then you are not fit for this discussion.
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"There's a difference between a teenager having a job and child labor. " Not really. If a business is not going to hire a teen, why would they hire someone who is younger? "The thing with child labor is the child usually doesn't have a choice in the matter. " Why?
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" our economy did well during the 50's and 60's because of the post-WWII economic boom, as well as incredibly high income taxes. lack of regulations had nothing to do with it." Taxes were lower at that point then they were now. "in fact, higher taxes and more regulations leads to greater economic prosperity. " Not true.
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"there are poor people in this country too. " I know. But poor in the US is not the same as poor in a 3rd world developing country. " And like i said before, the children usually don't have a choice in the matter. It would not behoove them to be forced into labor when they should be having a childhood and going to school. " If you come from a broken home your childhood is not going to be well and you will be disruptive in school. Ideally yes, I agree with you. But if your parents are awful and don't care about you then possibly working will be the best route. While working you can learn to be independent and get away from your awful parents. " If the kid lives in a broken home the solution is to put them in a different home, not forcing them to work." That is a very touchy subject. I agree with you to a point, but you are entering into an area of letting the government tell us how to raise our kids. At what point do you take kids away from parents? And why?
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Eragon7, problems exist. The issues are 1. how bad are they? 2. why do they exist? The left over dramatizes the problems to me. A study showed that min. wage workers are not poor as those who earn $9.50/hr or less are nor poor, typically. The left is making a claim that they are. Yes, there are some that are. But they are the minority as a lot who are poor don't work. One why those problems exist? One, nothing is ideal. Next, many feel it is from action by the government, specifically the federal government.
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"Dude, what the in flying fuck are you talking about!? Add up $9.50 an hour and see much you get paid every 1-2 weeks. " You are making the same mistake that many ultra liberals make. You assume someone earning $9.50/hr or less are the only one working in a household and are tying to fend for themselves That is not true as the majority of them are second or third earners of a household. http://cdn.theatlantic.com/newsroom/img/posts/Sabia_Burkhauser_SEJ_Jan10.pdf Just because someone is working a low wage job does not mean they are poor. There are other factors involved.
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Praxis, that is not an argument.
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" It doesn't have to be as bad as it is in other countries. If there are no laws preventing child labor, people will take advantage of it. It's just that simple. " People take advantage of a lot of things. How powerful do you want to make the government? Consider that if you make the government too powerful people will take advantage of that as well. "When the kids is being abused or otherwise endangered. Like for example if you made your 8 year old kid work in factory around a bunch of dangerous equipment I would say you are endangering your child." Let us say that kid is working at that factory as a janitor while the machines are safely off?
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We have a high teenage unemployment, businesses are not hiring teens to begin with. Also, I have yet to hear of a factory in the US that does not require at least a GED to work there.
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"There are plenty of businesses that hire teens " And teenage unemployment is still high. Bernie Sanders ran that as part of his campaign. "and there are plenty of factories in countries with no child labor laws that hire children" Those are developing countries. There are countries with universal healthcare and universal college that are fascist states, such as N. Korea. So I guess we shouldn't have universal healthcare and universal college? "The reason why the factories here don't is because of the child labor laws." No, because we are a developed country. Those factories also don't hire teens. They want, at least, a GED and be over 18. In our developed nation workers are compensated too high in factories to hire teenagers. Tell me, why do you have to be at least 18 to work at Walmart? Why doesn't Amazon's fulfillment centers hire anyone who doesn't have a GED? Why doesn't Tesla's factories? Even with child labor laws they can still hire high schoolers but don't. Why?
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Chen, grabbing your ball and going home is a sign of lack of intelligence. If I am so "fucking retarded" you should be able to point out how and why.
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" Is enough to tag you as an utter mongrol and a child slaver apologist " Oh, that's right. In the US where we have high teenage unemployment and businesses what high school diplomas, at least before they hire you will all of a sudden enslave children if we remove child labor laws. "Another example of your epic idiocy : "The US has the best healthcare system" You're just full of shit." I never said the US had the best healthcare system.
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I drive a better car then anyone has ever driven in 1968. Poor people have smart phones where no one had one in 1968. Saying that the min. wage is lower now then in 1968 is showing a high level of economic illiteracy, especially when you say you are making less now on the min. wage then in 1968. Looking at productivity is flawed as productivity is up because of technology, not because people are working harder. Look at the gains of the top 1% is flawed. Just because they are doing better does not mean that the bottom are working harder. NFL players are faster today then in the past but we still have obese people that can't run a mile in under 15 minutes. The minimum wage is what it is, the minimum. The bottom of the barrel. The lowest skilled workers in the market. When you break it down there is not one single good reason to even have a min. wage. While Kyle talks about forcing a "livable wage" you are enforcing how much is paid per hour, not per week. Consider that.
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"People back then could raise a family with a single family member working because overall wages were higher. " In the 1800s you have people teaching at the age of 16 and having kids around that age as well. Do you want to rewind back to those times? During that time most people were farmers. Our standards today are much higher then they were in the 60s. Someone who is poor has it much better then many in the middle class in the 60s. There will always be people who struggle greatly as nothing is ideal. But as a whole things are better. The fact that people are living with parents longer and roommates is the evolution of the economy. Just like we don't hire 16 year olds to teach and that people are starting families later. The economy evolves. That is not to say that everything is all great. But to say it is all bad is asinine.
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"A wage that allows one to meet the costs determined by the Standard of Living calculations for a region." Based on what? With or without a roommate? Having a car or walking to work? What type of food? How long do you get to live and why? Why type of clothes? What activities? You have to have standards.
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Ultiimum Draco, I am a doctoral candidate in physical chemistry and successful one at that. You are one of the last individuals you want out of "your country" with my skills I possess.
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"Wrong again. The last time the minimum wage was raised (far too long ago), surveys of small business owners showed that 61% of those owners understood:" The pools have been wrong lately. Also, just because 61% support it does that mean we should force every business to do it? Also, who are these small businesses and what is their income level? Not every small business pays the min. wage. Costco supported a min. wage increase knowing it will hurt smaller competitors that simply can't afford more. You have a lot to learn about the economy. A company supporting a min. wage increase probably does so in their best interest. Aren't you liberals supposed to be stopping corruption and government doing things in the favor of businesses?
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intricatic, working in the healthcare industry is challenging, and people to pursue it know it which is why they are compensated well for it. Factories cap out hours for a few reasons. One is because of OT laws meaning they don't want to pay OT. No company can force you to work for nothing.
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"So because they do not have a business model that's competing well enough, they should be allowed to screw over their employees. " People do not have to work for that company. If you are an employer you have to pay well enough to attract better workers and limit turnover. But there comes a point you simply can't afford higher wages. If you as a worker can't negotiate for a higher wage then that is on you. Compare it to rent and buying a home. You can get a very cheap place but it will be of low quality in a bad neighborhood. Get roommates and it becomes cheaper. But again, bad quality and bad neighborhood. It might end up costing you even more money. If you pay more you get a better place in a better neighborhood. You may even live on your own. Pay more and you can own a place. Pay even more and you can live on the hills in a mansion. But at that point it might not be necessary and may cause more problems as you have a larger place to clean and take care of and occupy. Now compared to labor. You pay a low wage you get low quality workers. They may be so bad that they steal from your company costing you more. You might have high turnover (similar to roommates how they can leave). Pay more you get better workers. But as with rent you might have some turnover. Pay more you get even better workers with low turnover, like buying a home. If you pay a lot you may get people with masters and PhDs. But at that point it might not be worth it, like buying a mansion. As in getting a place to live your income will determine where you live. Same with labor. If a business can't afford higher wages or refuses to pay higher wages they won't get high quality of workers. " Correct. They can fire you for not doing the extra they ask for on top of what you agreed to do in your contract. In some states, they need no reason what so ever to fire you. In others, your lack of "willingness" to sacrifice for them can be used as reason to find reason to fire you. So force you, no. Get rid of you, yes. " This is where there are advantages to unions or a government coming in and making sure that contracts are followed by both parties. That is much better then a min. wage. A min. wage prices people out of the market. Without a min. wage both parties agree to terms in a contract that the government makes sure is followed. Or without government unions set up the contracts and makes sure it is followed. That is much better then a min. wage as with a higher min. wage a company can just decide not to hire you at all. With no min. wage you can get your foot in the door. " As far as the healthcare industry being compensated well for all of the challenge and hours... I thought it was because they are "worth more". Which is it? " Both. People at the top of their fields work hard and thus earn a lot. They are worth a lot because few are willing to put in that time and effort. Look, you have people complaining about a low min. wage and want a higher one to get a raise. Meanwhile you have doctors who actually work many hours a week. You see the difference? In the end there are many factors that determine your wage. Hard work is one, skill is another, and there are more. " Beyond that, even if a job is not particularly hard at times or at all, that does not change the fact that when someone is working for you the amount of time to be considered full time work, that their compensation should at minimum be enough for them to live off of without obligatory debt. " Why? What if I started my own business of digging holes in the desert? Should I be compensated for it? Or what if I worked at a restaurant and worked harder hours, such as during peak hours (as in weekends) or in hours very few want to work (as in early mornings). Should I be paid the same as someone who decides to work hours that are during times that are not as busy? Just because someone works does not mean they deserve a set amount of compensation. "These arguments about small business suffering due to meeting that minimum requirement tells me one single thing: Their business model is not good enough to compete." People who beg the government for a higher wage through the min. wage tells me one things, they are too lazy to compete in the competitive market. That aside, if a business is doing poorly then they will go under. So why force it? If a business hires employees and pays them a low wage and they are fine with it, why force that business to pay more? " Yet some how... the argument always rolls over to the idea that it can only compete if they are able to basically pay as little as they need to to survive. That... /is/ the market place. Their survival is based entirely on how they are able to perform" People still work for them. In the market if they are a poor business then people will not work for them. You want to force them to shut down while forcing low skilled workers to be unemployed. That is not a solution.
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