Comments by "whyamimrpink78" (@whyamimrpink78) on "Meghan McCain: Bernie Sanders Is Selfish" video.

So working for your money makes you entitled?
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" who's going to provide the $600 billion dollar annual budget to inaccurately bomb people in caves?" We got plenty of bombs. We lack doctors and researchers in the medical field.
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"redirecting wasteful spending from the military" Which only accounts for 4% of our GDP. But taxes aside. The issue with the healthcare industry and education is that we simply lack resources in those programs. We lack professors, doctors researcher etc. We also lack unskilled workers but those can be filled, it is the skilled workers we lack. So I ask where are the doctors, professors and researchers going to come from? How many Bernie supporters are going to spend 8+ years to become those workers and be willing to deal that that level of stress? This is the real reason why Bernie supporters are considered selfish. It actually has little to do with taxes and more to do with the fact that they themselves are not willing to put in the work to provide or expand those programs.
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Where are the doctors going come from? Where are the researchers going to come from? How many Bernie supporters are going to take on those careers? What are you planning to do for a living? I am perpetuating that idea because Bernie supporters expect these things to just appear out of thin air.
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" How on earth is wanting every citizen of the US having healthcare coverage selfish?" Because you want it to be paid for and given by others. How many Bernie supporters are going to go off and study medicine? Right now we lack doctors, nurses, and resources in general in healthcare. Are you going to study the STEM fields and become a doctor or do research to expand medicine? That is why people call them selfish. They want healthcare for all while doing nothing themselves to see if it will work.
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"Right, so it's only a coincidence that US citizens spend more (by far) on their healthcare than any other OECD country, and yet they don't even hit the OECD average in life expectancy, roughly on par with former Eastern Bloc countries" The US has arguably the best healthcare system in the world. If you look at overall life expectancy for the world the average is 71 ± 7 years. The US is more than one standard deviation higher than the average. the highest country in life expectancy is less than 7 years higher than the US. That small difference is called noise. If you were to remove deaths by car accidents and murder, things not typically connected to healthcare, the US then has the highest life expectancy in the world.
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While I agree she has been privileged, that is just one person. One of the reason why Bernie lost is because he constantly wanted to punish the rich for no reason besides them just being rich.
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What tax policy? And can the IRS have 1950s level technology as well?
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The middle class has a lot of wealth. A middle class person today has more wealth than someone who was rich in the 50s. What tax plan from the 50s do you want?
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"Yes, it's so selfish to want affordable healthcare." Who is going to provide it? Are you currently studying to be a doctor?
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Nice answer. I wouldn't have expected anything less from a Bernie supporter.
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"you know the number 1 reason for bankruptcy in America is for medical bills. " I do, but you still are not answering my question. Who is going to provide affordable healthcare?
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"Taxpayers. Are you that ignorant? " No, because taxes aren't the issue. People ask the wrong question here when they ask "how is he going to pay for it". What should be asked is what I asked, who provides it? We lack doctors and researchers in the healthcare industry. Increasing tax revenue is not going to increase the number of doctors. This is why people call Bernie supporters lazy. How many of them are willing to go to med. school for 8+ years? How many of them are willing to put in that type of work and and deal with that much stress? Bernie supporters say that we need healthcare for all and their only response is "TAXES". But none of them want to become doctors themselves. So I will ask in a more specific way. While lacking doctors and researchers in the medical field, how is Bernie going to provide healthcare for all? Taxes are not doctors or researchers.
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Ever heard of supply and demand? When supply goes up the price will go down. How about these Bernie supporters study medicine which will increase the supply of doctors which will lower the price. They won't which is why people call them lazy.
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" was that even a response?" Yes. "Regardless, don't be blaming the people who you should be appealing to when Trump wins" Who am I appealing too? " It's not our fault you decided to rally behind someone so full of shit and widely detested that someone like Trump could even come close to beating them" Who are you talking about? Clinton? Also, with Sanders losing it seems like people don't like him. "Morons like you still don't get that people have free choices and votes are earned, not entitlements. Continue to listen to the media as their views continue to drop. I'll just be laughing at Trump's inauguration." I will be laughing at Trump's inauguration as well considering how I am voting for him.
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"Did you forget Obamacare is exactly what the Republicans wanted and that it's an awful health care act?" Except 0 republicans voted for it. It is what regressive liberals wanted, more government. And when it failed they end up asking for even more government.
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The only part in Obamacare that was close to a republican plan was the individual mandate. That's it.
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The parties didn't switch, the democrats have always been rather extreme.
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I have heard of European politics. Also the CRA was extreme in that it violated the 10th amendment.
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Bernie is a socialist, of course he is selfish. He is no different than his supporters.
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How are you going to provide that healthcare and education for everyone?
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Millennials grew up with some of the greatest wealth ever. High speed internet, smart phones, instant messaging, not having to use the Dewey Decimal System, not having to look up info in the encyclopedia. They have been spoiled and are selfish in some ways. Yes the economy is bad, but sitting there crying is not going to make it better. This is why we have growing income inequality, those that make excuses fall behind and those that work get ahead. Also, I said this before, this is Bernie's retirement party. He is selfish. He is a career politician that has that "me" attitude and wants to make noise while retiring.
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No generation grew up with information at the palm of their hands like millennials did. Millennials have high speed internet hurting patience. My logic is sound. And what does the Bible have to do with anything? Also I am 29.
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No, what I am saying is that the have better lives than the previous generation because of things created by capitalism. Every young generation goes through this which is why democrats, typically the more socialist party, gets support of the youth. They don't fully understand the struggles of the previous generation nor how much better their kids will have it years from now.
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Because in the large scale those programs don't work
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"By that definition, a public road network is a selfish idea too. " 3/4 of funding of roads is done at the state and local level. You using roads as a comparison to single payer healthcare is a very poor comparison.
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https://www.aei.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/-the-business-of-health_110115929760.pdf Read that book.
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"More than any other political group called considering he has the overwhelming support of college aged people." College age does not equal college degree pursuing. Even at that what degree are they getting? " In fact, it's those trying to pay for that med-school that are pro-Bernie to begin with." Doubtful considering how Bernie never said he will pay for med school. "single payer healthcare is self funding" Not if you lack resources and workers in the field. My point is that if these Bernie supporters really wanted to make a difference they will work hard to become a doctor or a professor to increase the supply in both the healthcare and educational fields. That will make it more affordable. The reality is that they just like to sit back and make others work. That is why they are considered lazy. Getting a PhD in the STEM fields is tough. Becoming a doctor is tough and stressful. I don't see Bernie supporters, as a whole, doing it.
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" What the fuck is this talk about the "supply of doctors"? That's not even close to what the problem is. That's such an incredibly dumb argument that I'm not even sure if it qualifies as an argument." It is an argument. If you increase demand but don't increase supply then prices go up. Bernie supporters want to add million of people to the healthcare market without increasing supply. Almost none of them want to work in the medical field in anyway to increase the supply in it. This is why people call them lazy. They want healthcare but expect other people to work hard to provide it. "The problem is the private health insurance companies and the profit motive that they operate under. They are a completely unneeded middleman between a patient and their doctor that are just there to leach off of individuals as well as businesses and exploit them for a service that is a necessity and has an inelastic demand curve (which means the demand for healthcare services are not price sensitive because if people are sick and need medical attention they are going to go to the doctor no matter how much it costs so that they don't fucking die.) That is why healthcare costs are so exorbitant, not because we have a lack of medical professionals. Healthcare isn't like a fucking commodity stock so the whole argument you tried to use goes out the damn window.." I agree that insurance is a problem. Your anger is misdirected. The for profit system isn't the problem. To see the problem I will ask you two questions. 1. Why do so many people get their insurance through their employers? or Why do employers offer insurance to begin with? 2. Why has healthcare insurance become healthcare? "SOLUTION: Eliminate the middleman by getting rid of private healthcare and putting in its place a universal healthcare single-payer program which does not have a profit motive." That is not a solution. That just compounds our problems by eliminating progress and adding more people to the market without increasing supply. You have just made the problem worse. "LOL "Lack of Doctors." Get the fuck out of here with that dumb shit and try again bro. And don't even try to pretend to know you know even a lick about economics after spewing that bullshit. I don't think you're that dumb so I hope the problem is that you're just ignorant." Lack of doctors is a legit issue. It comes back to how Bernie supporters want healthcare but don't want to work in the industry themselves. They just expect others to do all the hard work. Do you want to become a doctor? How would you feel if the government forced you to take on thousands of new patients a year?
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"You are making bold assertions with no evidence. "Doubtful" and "I don't see Bernie supporters doing X" is anecdotal evidence at best. It is not supported by numbers." One can find numbers. The most liberal departments in colleges are usually arts and humanities. The STEM fields are some of the least liberal departments meaning that Bernie supporters are going to come from those seeking humanities and art degrees, not STEM. You can find some Bernie supporters in the STEM field, but not many. "Your supply and demand argument with regard to healthcare is ridiculous. "Adding people to the healthcare pool" is nonsensical. People are going to get sick, sick people need treatment, covering everyone with insurance will not change the fundamental demand for medicine. It may, however make certain that the number one cause of bankruptcy in the U.S. Isn't medical bills. " You started out by saying that my supply and demand argument is ridiculous but then fail to say how. How is it ridiculous? You will be increasing the number of patients without increasing the number of doctors and resources in healthcare. "I paid nearly 18,000 in taxes last year and have employer provided healthcare. I would GLADLY pay 2-5% more in taxes to ensure everyone in the U.S. Including myself has access to adequate care." Except to cover everyone you will have to pay more than 2-5% due to how much healthcare prices will rise. Or you will have to accept the quality of healthcare dropping. Believe me, if it was as simple as paying 2-5% more in taxes then I would be all for it. I have said that I wish liberal policies worked because they are simple. The reality is that they aren't that simple. You yourself keep avoiding the topic of how we lack doctors and researchers in the medical field and stick to that all we need to do is increase tax revenue.
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So is that your only response? Instead of making an actual rebuttal you do an ad hominem attack? This is what you get when you debate a Bernie supporter.
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"and then you provide none. " You didn't provide any numbers either. But here are some http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Political_beliefs_of_academics https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/homo-consumericus/201202/is-there-liberal-bias-among-american-professors Noticed how in the STEM fields the ratio goes down. Yes it is still higher than 1 but that is mainly due to 1. professors who have spent their career in academics and no where else-lack of experience 2. democrats do have a tendency to just throw money at education so there is a special interest But as a whole the STEM field are some of the least liberal fields out there. And when you look at Bernie supporters how many of them are really studying to be doctors? "I graduated with BS in mechanical engineering 5 years ago, the student body within that major was plenty liberal. " I am getting a PhD in physical chemistry and most of my colleagues are conservative. " explained EXACTLY why you're wrong. Covering more people with health insurance does not increase patient numbers by the same margin. People with broken arms do not just neglect going to the doctor because they don't have insurance, that's nonsense. You would see an increase in screenings and low brow treatments for infections and other outpatient procedures, but let's not pretend we would be doubling the demand for cancer treatment and brain surgery." You still didn't address it. You are increasing demand with single payer because you are adding more patients, period. How do you address that?
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"I am not addressing it because I am contesting your assertion that the demand will go up by any noticeable amount." It will because you have then made healthcare more accessible to people. It is no different then the college loan program and how that made college more accessible to people. Demand went up but supply didn't which is why tuition went up so high. "Your own numbers contradict your theory that STEM majors are largely conservative" I never said they were largely conservative. I said they were one of the least liberal groups of all the departments. " they support my assertion that while they are on the conservative end of the college spectrum, they are still liberal" That was a claim I made at the beginning and address why that is the case. If you would have read my comments carefully you would see that. "(how that affects major enrollment ESPECIALLY at the graduate school level is lost on me) doesn't change the fact that more STEM students and graduates are liberal than conservative" How liberal though? Liberal as in they vote democrat? Or liberal as in they will vote for a radical like Bernie? That isn't mentioned. I told you one reason why they typically vote democrat. Democrats do spend more on education so it is special interest. " Even if I grant that Bernie supporters don't make up the majority of STEM graduates, the argument that they are then somehow exempt as a whole from commenting on our healthcare system is absurd" You will find Bernie supporters in the STEM fields. On exists in my department as is. But most are like my neighbor, an psychology major (or major of similar value) with a low paying job. " Especially considering I do not accept your premise that universal health INSURANCE increases healthcare demand. " We are not talking about health insurance, we are talking about universal healthcare.
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"everyone keeps giving you arguments and you keep ignoring them and going back to your same talking points. It's pointless so i'm done." I am not going back to the same talking points. But based on your previous comments when you could not give a rebuttal I would say you were done a long time ago.
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"So what!? Then what's your point? " That degrees that require high levels of critical thinking and skill makes you less liberal and more moderate. "That doesn't lend any credibility to your pointless assertion that "Bernie supporters don't go to med school". Now you're back peddling to "they're less liberal than liberal arts majors" well, no shit. So what? " I am not back peddling at all. I am stating the fact that Bernie supporters are wanting healthcare for all and their typical response in how they will provide it is "TAXES". Not, "well we need to push people to take on higher skill jobs". Let me add to that last comment. Bernie wants to bring back factory jobs. He wants to raise the min. wage to what he calls a "living wage". Those two ideas allows people to stay at low skill jobs because at those low skill jobs you will be guaranteed a "living wage", healthcare, vacation time, paternity leave, retirement and so on. Where is the incentive to put in the time and go through the stress of actually develop a skill like becoming a doctor when you are guaranteed all those things in life? "To summarize: You have an argument that Bernie supporters don't go to med school, supported weakly by the fact that, while still largely liberal, the STEM studies in US universities are "more conservative" (less liberal would be a more accurate description) than less scientific, art-based majors. This ALL hinges on the unsubstantiated claim that providing affordable health insurance to everyone will increase the demand of medical care. " The fact is that Bernie Sanders supporters are not going to school to work in the medical field. And Bernie and his supporters are not pushing more people to take on higher skilled jobs. Bernie is actually supporting allowing people to stay at low skill jobs. It is all clear. You can say what you want but Bernie's supporters are not willing to do the work to become doctors. "The additional people included under the new coverage would not all become patients." Yes they will because now they will be paying zero. " I have health insurance now; I rarely use it." Same here because it does not cover everything. I should get knee surgery but don't due to the cost. I manage to live without but getting it will greatly help me. " Health insurance coverage and the need for medical care are mutually exclusive." No they aren't.
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"please explain the causal relationship between having health insurance and needing medical care? " You didn't say that before "As I said before, the number one cause of bankruptcy in the united states is medical bills. it doesn't sound to me like people are "doing without" because of cost." Cost is an issue in the US. Creating a policy that will increase cost is not the solution. " If you have cancer, broken bones, high blood pressure, diabetes, treatment is not optional. You get treated or you risk life/limb. The most expensive conditions to medicate for the US as a whole are high blood pressure and thyroid issues. People on those meds do not neglect to get them because they don't have health insurance. of that were the case it would not be the largest market for meds and people wouldn't be going bankrupt. " Yes, and creating a policy that will increase the cost of healthcare is not a solution. "I whole heartedly agree with your assessment of raising the minimum wage and removing monetary incentive for highly skilled laborers. However, healthcare is not like a nice car or a nice residence. If the repercussions for having a low-skill job are poor quality of life or bankruptcy, that's a bit ridiculous. Low skill work deserves low skill wage but it does not deserve sub-par health standards." People who refuse to better themselves in life deserve what they get.
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"For the umpteenth time, I reject your premise that expanding insurance coverage increases demand by a factor that would impact cost. " It is not expansion of insurance, it is expansion of coverage. Bernie wants universal healthcare. He wants healthcare for all. "Single payer systems in developed countries around the globe show us that universal healthcare drives costs down," And also drives quality down.
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"What does that even mean? Insurance IS coverage. He wants health insurance for all and by extension healthcare access for all. Having insurance and being covered are the same thing." No, he wants healthcare for all. "I won't argue that point but now we're moving the goalposts aren't we? Now it's been demonstrated cost doesn't increase NOW it's an issue of quality." It does. It comes back to supply and demand. If you increase demand without increasing supply something has to give.
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I call you selfish because you want something while doing nothing to earn it or produce it. How many Bernie supporters are willing to go through the hard work to become a doctor or do research to expand the resources in medicine? It is a stressful job and I really don't see Bernie supporters willing to do it. I am working on my PhD where my research is designing new methods to study dynamics of biological materials. It is stressful and I work 60+ hours a week. Meanwhile Bernie supporters just yell "TAX THE RICH" and if you oppose their idea and tell them to work then I guess you are a baby killer, at least according to you.
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" I don't even work at a typical job right now and I work harder than you do." Doubtful, but what do you do? "60 hours a week is a short week for me" And how much do you produce? "Maybe if college was attainable for a regular citizen more people would go to become doctors." College is affordable, and when you become a doctor money is not an issue. The issue is that people don't want to work. "I know I would go back to school if I could. We can't all be born to rich parents" Actually my parents were poor. You can also pull out student loans and work. College is a lot of work. Grad school is harder. All I hear from you now are excuses. "It is more stressful to be a poor parent than it is to be a doctor. " No it isn't. "Greed hiding behind false altruism." Yep, asking for other people's money and services is not greedy at all.
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Source for what?
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A source for what? Be specific what you want me to cite.
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People today have smart phones, high speed internet, better cars, overall better technology. It isn't that hard to understand.
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A few things. First, on wage stagnation. Wage does not equal wealth. Also that numbers for wage stagnation does not include that fact that businesses are instead paying more through other means such has healthcare insurance and stock options. Noticed how those numbers come from the 70s? Well in the 60s the payroll tax increased. That meant that if businesses paid a higher wage they had to pay a higher tax. A way to avoid that was to instead pay in benefits which were 100% tax free. You also have to consider how the purchasing power of the dollar is higher. People are paying a lower percentage on their food. Technology that has made lives easier is better and more affordable. Take the smart phone for instance. A brick cell phone, from the 80s, if you take account for inflation would cost almost $4000 today. How much does a smart phone cost? Not nearly that much. A smart phone also has more computing power than some home PCs from the 90s. So you have to be careful in how you look at statistics. You can't just simply look at something and be like "bam, see". I can tell by your quick conclusion that you are a dumb couch potato. I am not which is why I can look past and come up with a more accurate conclusion. Some reading material http://www.cnbc.com/2014/01/29/-wage-stagnationcommentary.html http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424127887323468604578249723138161566 https://www.aei.org/publication/why-we-cant-go-back-to-sky-high-1950s-tax-rates/ http://ireport.cnn.com/docs/DOC-1237097 http://www.brookings.edu/research/opinions/2013/03/27-inequality-myths-winship https://www.aei.org/publication/why-we-cant-go-back-to-sky-high-1950s-tax-rates/
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