Comments by "whyamimrpink78" (@whyamimrpink78) on "Ben Stein: Why Subsidize College So Kids Can Get High?" video.

  1. ***** You don't need to go to college to be educated. You can learn a lot through resource on the internet. Watch Kahn Academy for example.
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  2. ***** Then buy textbooks. My Organic Chemistry textbook was $15 with the solution manual. It was the 4th edition when a 5th edition was out and used by universities but it covers the exact same material. My Calculus book with solutions was free. Made in the 80s but covers the exact same material because basic calculus hasn't changed in years.
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  3. WildwoodClaire1 You don't need college to become educated. A business can pay someone a low wage to train them and then pay them a higher wage when they are trained. Bypass the college system all together. That can work if a business wasn't restricted to regulations and higher taxes.
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  4. TestMeatDollSteak The idea of a college degree is to show businesses that you are willing to invest and put in the time to better yourself. That means you are self motivated and are willing to learn and improve. If we made college "free" then a college degree will lose value and then businesses will just opt into doing what I said. Businesses are willing to spend resources to get people up to speed. Businesses are willing to pay for their employees to get an MBA. In a competitive market they look for something unique. If college is "free" then a college degree is no longer unique or anything special thus a business wont' look for it.
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  5. Arthur Fuksayk Yes that is what a college degree shows, that someone is willing to stick to something long term and complete a goal. It also shows that someone is willing to invest in themselves and put in the effort of working towards something. Making it "free" makes it no longer unique and means that the majority can do it as well making a college degree worthless. There are other factors involved as well. If they are professional, held a management position at some other job (say at a restaurant) for some time, have other activities that they do that have responsibilities then I will consider hiring that person. If, while at a low wage they prove they can learn then I will give them a raise. It goes beyond education or holding that degree. One of the smartest individuals I know doesn't have a college degree and he works a very prestige job.
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  6. Arthur Fuksayk Free college does devalue an education. Other countries don't have smaller colleges and thus they lack that personal interaction between professors and students. That is what makes the US system so great, developing interaction between peers and professors. We could make if "free" and just have large classrooms and a professor who doesn't care lecture a group of students as opposed to actually teaching them. Having more political science or business major or art majors isn't going to increase productivity. Those are degrees that one can learn on their own. A business invest in college education for the same reason why they pay the employee in the first place. It is a way to attract employees to work for them. After that person graduates they can be promoted to a higher position and they can also work with other employees to help the company grow. My sister worked for a bank and they paid for her MBA. I got money to take a few courses and one of the reasoning was that developed more skills to where I can teach other employees around me and make them better. It is an investment to make them a better worker and attract good workers.
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  7. Arthur Fuksayk It makes the degree worthless. They didn't invest in it, they just took classes, got some grades and then got a degree without actual investment. It is something they can do on the side. It isn't actual work at that point. Yes you can walk into a management position in a restaurant without "education". My manager at the restaurant I worked at was a high school dropout. Have you ever seen managers at restaurants? The one at the local Subway just had their high school diploma, another dropped out as well. But who is a better worker? The person willing to take on the task of managing a restaurant and working with low paid high school workers, or the art major who go their education for free? Do you even know what you're talking about?
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  8. Arthur Fuksayk And I told you that in those countries their education quality is poor at the university level. There is a reason why the US attracts so many professors and students from other countries, more so than any other country. It is because we have arguably the best university system in the world. While it is hard to make a direct comparison we do have a unique system and it works well. In college it takes more than hard work study wise. Taking 12 credits a semester and studying isn't hard. What was hard was managing a work schedule as well, keeping track of finances, finding good deals on books. Managing a plan to graduate on time so you work sooner and not waste money. The classwork is actually the easy part. If all I had to do was study then college wouldn't be an issue. A doctor is a special case in that isn't so much of a degree but a special skill you learn which is why there are schools that specialize in that. That is different then an art degree or a history degree. That is fine if you won't pay for someone's education before employing them, but there are companies that do with great success. Also you can work full time and earn a degree. That is the value of college, managing time to complete a goal. I worked full time and so do a lot of my students (I teach at a college). One of my students had a kid and had one of the highest grades. She managed her time. It requires work. Businesses do have trouble attracting employees. If the pay is low or they become overworked or the environment is not friendly then people won't work there. It is a competitive market and businesses find ways to attract employees, they get created at times. My other sister had her business paid to have them watch a professional football game one time. A free education means that there will be no time or energy spent because no one will have to work full time and go to college full time anymore.
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  9. Paul Richards What a very shallow thought process. I have seen poor people work as hard as Paula and get out of poverty. One of my students is poor and she worked very hard and improved a lot. With her hard working attitude she will get a job easily.
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  10. Don Sanders And that is what it should be.
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  11. Robert Nugent You can find tests online. You don't need to go to college to study a subject.
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  12. Paul Richards The artist was painting the picture that Paula, who was working hard, wasn't going to succeed. That is completely false though. Was Richard born into a better situation? A little. But if Paula was working through college and Richard wasn't then Paula actually has an edge. She has more that can be added to a resume where Richard doesn't. If Richard was from a very rich family then he has political connections so it doesn't matter how well he does in college, he has the connections from the beginning. Those individuals are few and far between. But someone from a family that is well off who doesn't work hard in college wont' do as well as someone from a poor family that ends up working full time in college and finishing it. Typically those who are well off end up living in the same area their parents have because they end up living in a bubble. Those that weren't from a family that were well off but work hard end up expanding their horizons and become more successful in other areas. Overall that artwork was shallow and asinine.
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  13. Dyvim Tvar It is free if you pay little taxes, like the majority of college kids do. Also you don't need to go to college to be educated. If you think you need to then it isn't a surprise that you need everything spoon fed to you.
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  14. Dyvim Tvar There is a difference between being educated and getting a skill. Going to college to get a history degree is not developing a skill. I am working on my PhD so I would say I am getting a "real education" if you want to play that route. And as a grad student I promise you that I am earning less than minimum wage and living quite fine.
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  15. Dyvim Tvar Where did I ever say I want to deny others an education? Now you are making things up. Typical lib. (you see, I can play asinine word games like you).
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  16. Dyvim Tvar BTW, I only wrote those shallow comments because you always do and add nothing to conversation to the issue. You call me a dunce, always say that I am a "typical con" without justification and as if it is some sort of insult. It is about as unintelligent as it gets.
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  17. Dyvim Tvar I am talking about getting a skill. You are talking about an education. College is one way to get a skill but isn't the main way. Just like you don't need college to get an education. I can read a lot of history books and take college level history exams and pass without setting foot in a history class. You can obtain skills without going to college. I remember exactly what I wrote. You constantly love to twist words around and play genetic fallacies. When I give a counter point you call me a right winger as if that is some sort of insult. I can play that game as well. Stop being a pussy left winger. Stop watching Communist News Network. See how easy that is to act stupid like you.
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  18. Dyvim Tvar " Fox Con News" Predictable response. I actually don't have cable so I don't watch Fox News. Also, you will be viewed as more intelligent if you stop making asinine statements such as those. Also you don't need college to be educated and learn new skills.
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  19. ***** Working 3 low skilled jobs and not finding a way to make yourself more marketable is being lazy. I could have worked at my low paying job for a living but i instead choose to take on the headache of grad. school. It is a pain but the hours are better and so is the pay.
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  20. ***** I get my grad. school paid for. During undergrad. I worked a lot and got into $40,000 in debt which isn't much considering I can be earning close to 6 figures after my grad. studies. I get my grad. school paid for because I worked for it. I work 6 and sometimes 7 days a week. I work 12 hours a day and sometimes more. It is a lot of work but in a few months it gets easier and it is worth it. The early retirement will be fun. I do forgo heat as well (didn't have it the past 2 winters), and food. I find ways to get by. It is hard work but it pays off in the end.
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  21. ***** There are a few things there. One, in Germany they have higher standards in who they allow to go to college. In the US they allow almost anyone which is good because someone from a weak high school can get an education. Working in athletics I have seen athletes go to college who wouldn't have gotten in otherwise and were able to get better. We provide opportunity in the US, Germany is very selective. I also brought up the whole free college thing to one of my colleagues who is from another country and why he and his friends chose the US over Germany. He said that one, cost of living is cheaper, and two, in the US they speak english, they don't in Germany (primarily). He doesn't understand German but does English so he picked the US. There are other factors involved here. I will also say that in the US a graduate degree is worth a lot more, for the most part, than one from another country. While college is "free" in Germany it doesn't mean it is great. So while I got $40,000 in debt for college (all undergrad, I get grad school paid for) I will get is paid off in no time and it won't hurt me in buying a home later or getting a job.
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  22. Ellie M. Why is college tuition up? Because of the federal government giving away grants and loans increasing consumption without increase production. It is simple economics.
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  23. mermaidismyname Welfare actually lowers the value of the dollar. There is high demand (almost infinite) of better goods and services thus businesses will work in increasing it. But giving money away doesn't increase demand. You have to understand what money is. Money is worthless until it is invested to create capital. You don't eat money or run you car off of it, you do that with food and gas. Food and gas, or someone's services are limited. Those are actual resources that are limited and have actual value. If you give more money to people for not doing anything then capital is not created and the value of the dollar goes down. You then set a society that will only produce by volunteering. That is why we have income inequality, because we have a group of people who get money for nothing, thus those that do produce demand more. Money sitting in the bank helps the economy. Banks are able to pay interest from loaning out money and collecting interest. Money is invested to create capital. Going go college to be a doctor is similar to being an apprentice. You do internships there. There you invest money to earn a career that pays very well. That is different from an art degree. If you are going to become a doctor money isn't an issue. What improves a society is promoting investment that produces capital. You don't need to go to college to learn how to build a car. Spending money for more political science majors or business majors isn't a path to success.
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  24. criminallyinpain1 No they are not working hard enough. They may claim they are but they are not.
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  25. mermaidismyname A few things. One, you can't compare the US to other countries, too many variables. The US has a larger population then those Scandinavia countries. We have states that are larger than those countries. We have a different history, we have a different society. Denmark and Sweden for example have mandatory military service. Do you support that? You arbitrarily pick one factor in this, welfare, but leave out the fact that those two countries have mandatory military service, or a smaller population. So you can't compare due to several variables. I can easily say their inflation is lower due to mandatory military, so I guess everyone in the US should be forced to serve in the military, do you support that? If you want to make shallow comparisons cost of living is already higher in those countries to begin with. So what you are saying is also not correct when one decides to make a comparison. Those countries have a higher cost of living. People can demand all they want but if the product doesn't exist it doesn't matter how much money they have. There is that supply side as well, but you choose to ignore that variable also. If supply of a good or service is low and money supply is high then prices go up. You are failing to realize what money is. Money is worthless until it is spent on creating capital. The government spending more money that doesn't create capital lowers the value of the dollar. If college was "free" the quality of education will be terrible due to there simply not being enough professors and supplies (we already lack that, my university lack TA's for example and lecture professors in general classes). You don't need college to be educated, and producing more art and business majors isn't producing capital, it is a waste. Making college free will increase those degrees because people will choose the easier degrees just to get one with hopes of getting a better job when they won't.
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  26. Robert Maiorana During my undergrad I worked a lot but not 12 hours a day as I do now. I got 2 degrees and could of gotten a 40 hour week job but chose grad. school. In grad school I work as hard as I do because I am going after my PhD. I am working on my qualification exams, research, classes and teaching. Grad. school, if done right is like owning a business, you work. So what I says does help my point because I am a grad. student and goes against your point. As an undergrad. I did work but not as much as I do has a grad. student. The more successful you are the harder you have to work. That is the overall point. I could have not gone to college and just work and be fine. I chose to go to college and it was hard work. I could have gotten a job and paid off my loan and been fine. I chose to work harder and become more successful. I will get a higher paying job in the end and retire early. What I say helps my point and goes against yours.
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  27. ***** With a smaller population it is easier to micromanage such policies. In a country of 300 million not so much. With different areas having different cost of living and cultures it makes it difficult. I always say that the US is the most diverse country in the world. I say that in if you were to hop on a plane in Oslo in 2 hours you are in London. Now hop on a plane in Minneapolis and in 2 hours you are in Dallas. Still the US but TX and MN are different in so many way they might as well be different countries (both states have a population higher than Norway by the way). The population makes a difference. You mentioned demand but failed to mention supply. You are the one that feels more money stimulate demand but never consider supply, and you are calling me a 13 year old? It seems that you have the understanding of a 4th grader when it comes to economics. I understand that there are people in trouble, and the problem is complex. Just giving away money is a shallow and asinine approach to solving a complex problem. It is like using a band aid to cure cancer. It looks good but does nothing. I am also not trolling with my education statement. If you seriously think you need to go to college to study something like art or history or economics and so on then you are in trouble, or have to have everything spoon fed to you which will explain why you think the way you do.
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  28. ***** Every country is special. You do know that in N. Korea they have high taxes and government run welfare programs? Why don't you compare the US to N. Korea then?
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  29. ***** To answer the question you like to cherry pick what you feel is successful and what isn't. You give no thought in what you support at all.
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  30. mermaidismyname 2010 is still very recent. Mandatory military is a large factor. One idea of it is that it forces everyone is society to be treated as equals and interact with everyone. So a poor person is on the same level as a rich person in the military. We don't do it in the US because we have freedoms here. If you look at PPP (cost of living) and compare other countries the US is near the top in median income and beats several Scandinavian countries (if not all, depends on which source you look at). If they don't it is very close. On Wikipedia they have OCED stats. with the US as 4th behind Luxembourg, Norway and Switzerland. Look at the number, they are $37,178 33,928 33,669 33,932 Those numbers are close to each other considering the average is 19,167 with a SD of 7038.74. The fact there are differences between those countries is because of noise which comes from several variables. You will have an argument if Denmark, for example, was at $30,000 and the US is at $20,000. But considering how close they are you don't have an argument. Seems like you need to take a class in economics. All the states pay for K-12 education and so does the fed. in some ways. We still lack teachers. Seems like the free K--12 program hasn't increased supply. So explain to me how government offering free college is going to increase supply? We already lack professors as is. So in order for the government to increase supply they have to either pay professors more causing education to cost more or force people to teach. Capital is consumer goods. Money only derives it's value on what society feels it is worth. The government prints money but it's value is determined by the market which society runs. Just giving it away lowers it's value. That is basic economics. If all it took was more money then we can just print more or raise taxes and spend it, but it goes beyond that. Society doesn't demand business, history and art majors. Spending more money to produce them won't help. Europe's K-12 education is, arguably better than the US (as I said before, you really can't compare one country to another, especially the US to other countries). But the US has arguably the best university system in the world. There is a reason why we are number one in the world for university students from another country. There is a reason why professors from other countries come to the US to work in universities. And it does matter if it is lower in quality. It becomes a waste there. If someone wants a better job they will push for a job in the medical field or engineering. As of now we have students who try that but don't put forth the effort even when they pay. I work as a TA at a university. I teach pre-med students who pay to go to college. I just gave one a C, one a F, and a few more B-. They were students who didn't put forth much effort (one hardly did the work). So you really think making it "free" will motivate people it going after a better job? If they want it they will do it. I had another student who was poor that was able to pay for college and do well. "You’re trying to explain to me economics? That’s cute. " Based on that it seems you never took a class yourself on economics or have the maturity to pass one. It seems like you have a lot to learn. Talk to me when you took grad. level courses that MBA students take such as advanced statistics.
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  31. mermaidismyname And what makes you think the US government does?
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  32. mermaidismyname The difference between your comparison and mine was that you are making a direct side by side comparison and saying that Scandinavian countries are "better" based off of cherry pick policies they do. My comparison is that we are basically on the same level of them if you include all the variables thus you can't say one country is better than another thus overall you can't compare. "You do realize that standards for letting students in would drastically increase if college was free, right? " The government shouldn't be in the position to discriminate. Based on what you are saying if the federal government were to establish socialize healthcare than anyone with cancer will be denied coverage because they are not healthy. Just like someone with a low GPA will be denied college because they are not considered "smart". One advantage the US university system has is opportunity. I have seen several people lacking skills after high school get into college and do well. From working in the athletic department of 2 universities I have seen people who would have never gotten into college if it wasn't for sport do well in college. I have seen job opportunities for disadvantage people. I have a strong feeling you don't understand what capital is. College is a lot of work. I had a student who was a single mother do well in my class. I worked 3 jobs as an undergrad. It takes work and time management. The mos important things you gain from college are management skills and connections. Most people can read a book and take a test that is offered online. The value of college is out of the classroom which is why in college you spend little work inside of the classroom. That is why I say that you don't need college to be educated. A college degree shows people you are willing to invest in yourself to better yourself. Those low grades were due to people not being organized and not putting forth the extra effort. Those students I gave low grades too I never saw in office hours and got emails from. My student who got the highest grade put forth the extra effort. If you think an education is going to class and taking test then you have no idea what college is all about. It seems you need to learn what college is all about before you give an opinion on it. Believe me, I know a lot about college. I have been in it for 9 years, I have 2 undergrad. degrees and working on a PhD and plan on teaching at college for a living. This is my life. You have a myopic viewpoint on it. If all you gain from college is knowledge then you failed because you can gain that from reading books or going to trivia night at a bar.
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  33. mermaidismyname So shouldn't socialized education prioritize those who lack skills? You are a bit confused here now. Yes you are not supposed to compare the US to other countries. We do have socialize healthcare in the US. It is for everyone except for middle age healthy people. Just because it "works" (that is debatable) in other countries doesn't mean it will work in the US. Once again you are cherry picking. Living in Europe is good, and same with living in the US. We have a higher obesity rate than those countries. Our life expectancy is in line with theirs. We are on the same level as those countries and considering how large our population is and the challenges we face it is impressive we are at their level. The issue with you is that you love to cherry pick to make the US look bad to support your argument, but if you really get into detail on your argument it falls apart. It is like this, say you have two college students and one graduates with a 3.90 GPA and another with a 3.25 GPA? Who is the better student? By your approach you will immediately go to the one with the 3.90 GPA.. I will look deeper and see what were their degrees? If they worked any jobs or had activities. How many years it took to finish. That 3.25 GPA student could have gotten 2 degrees and worked several jobs and done research and was involved in activities. Now they are the better students. The same goes with countries. You pick and choose what you want to say Country A is better than Country B. And when I dig deeper you get upset. Well, you need to learn how to do that if you want to better yourself. You not talking to the TA or seeking help to improve your grade is lack of effort on your part. I was constantly in professor's offices during my undergrad. years. That also helps in networking. I gave a student a B as opposed to a B- because they were borderline but I saw them in office hours and they put forth effort. Little things like that make a difference. Hate to be a jerk but it sounds like you are in college for fun and not work. Film study is an easy degree with low pay in the end. You won't find much of a job. I can see why you want it to be free, you want to just have fun as opposed to actually improve yourself. You don't need college for friends either. College isn't a right either. You need to get that out of your head real quick.
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  34. mermaidismyname There are ways you can determine if the citizens have a high standard of living. People in the US are doing better then people in Zimbabwe considering how they have 80% poverty and a life expectancy of 58 years. 58 years compared to 78 years is a large gap. But when the US has 78 years and Denmark has 80 years, the difference is considered noise due to several variables. That is what I am trying to get across to you. You, along with several other people say that Scandinavian countries are doing better. Well, I ask how? When you consider how many variables are involved you can't say. I also ask why? You cherry picked their welfare policies. You ignored how some have mandatory military, different history, or that cost of living is higher and so on. You just picked out stats that you want without giving them any context or connecting them to anything except for what you want. It is similar to how I said compare two students, one with a 3.90 GPA and one with a 3.25. Now a student with a 2.10 GPA is weaker then the one with a 3.90, but compared to the 3.25 you can't say until you look at the variables. When you do then you might see why the one with the 3.25 GPA is better than the 3.90, or at least on the same level. The declaration of human rights is self contradiction document and overall completely worthless. From the one I am reading Article 26 says everyone has a right to education. But that contradicts Article 24 where everyone has a right to rest and leisure, and Article 23 in that everyone has a right to choose employment, and Article 4 dealing with slavery. Someone has to provide education. So if we don't have enough professors then what? Increase class sizes? Then that is less connections between professors and students, now they are deprived from their right to education. Force people to be professors? That is slavery and prevents people from picking the job they want. What if the professor wants to take a month off? Now students are deprived from their education again. What right trumps another? I can break that document apart easily in how contradicting it is. It is a christmas list of people's want. If people had a right to the employment they want then what is going to happen when there are no or limited janitors? I don't think that is a job people want. I guess we will have dirty buildings. But if my trash isn't empty then I lose my right listed as "Everyone has the right to work, to free choice of employment, to just and favourable conditions of work " What makes you think that I don't care about poverty? I care about it. I am just smart enough to understand that it is a complex issue. Just claiming something is a right (while contradicting other rights) and giving money away doesn't solve the problem. As I said, it is like putting a band aid on cancer. It looks good but does nothing. College is an investment much like a business owner invests to run a business. You are investing to pursue a dream and a career. With your attitude you are going to have a hard time getting a career. While you are making excuses others are working harder. You attended to college to pursue a career and if you really want it you will find a way to get it done. As of now you are making excuses and want someone to flip the bill for you to study want you please even though it won't give much back, if anything at all to society. Think about what you support right now.
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  35. mermaidismyname Well I never made any personal attacks. If you had a scholarship that you claim is high and you still had to pull out a loan then you made a mistake. You should have chosen a cheaper college. Also, taking college slow and steady and working is a better option at times. I worked several jobs during college and so did several people I know. College is work. And you crying about what is fair and what isn't doesn't help your cause. What is "fair"? Ruining the value of a degree to benefit others? Creating a tax system that targets a certain group forcing them to pay more? You concept of "fair" is deceptive and not consistent. Here is you misunderstanding about welfare. First you said that to solve hunger is to give people food. Problem is if that food doesn't exist then what? Do you force people to produce it? Well, that is slavery. And if you give away food then you create a society that only produces it by volunteering. You totally misunderstand what money is. Giving away more money doesn't increase demand. Demand is there. Money doesn't run our economy, wealth does. The amount of goods and services run our economy. Money derives it's value based on that. If you give people more money and they don't produce any more then the value of the dollar drops. You are condoning giving away money to people to spend four years producing nothing and then after they graduate they are not guaranteed to produce. That is your flaw in your argument. Your stance is on a delusion. You talk about giving away homes. Where is the incentive to pay for a home now? And where is the incentive to take care of one if one is given to you? Where is the incentive to build one if you are not going to be paid the proper rate for your work? Giving away heatlhcare? We lack doctors already. We have waiting lists for organs. Where are you going to get the extra doctors and organs? You have this delusion that goods and services exist and they just need to be distributed. You are wrong though. Resources are limited. You need to realize that. And the government offering to give the away isn't going to help, really it will make resources more limited. Smaller class size plays a role in how well it is. You have less opportunity for 1 on 1 time with your professor and at times are in the mercy of a tutor who lacks knowledge in the subject as well. Also when you apply for jobs the largest factor in if you get one is based on your reference, professors can play that role. Your professor not knowing your name is a problem. I got a reference from my Gen. Chem. professor for an internship I got and did research with my Gen. Phys. professor. I am not criticizing your degree. I have a large interest in movies and have a large collection at home. I am saying that you are not going to go far asking for a handout in life. You are asking for a handout. You want college to be free because you maxed out your loans due to you rushing college and refusing to work. You have a rude awakening in life with your set attitude. You need to realize how the economy works and how to be successful. I am not doing this to criticize you, I am doing this to help you. I am an educator and I get paid $1800 a month to educate and help people for a living. I am giving this advice to you for free. If you want to succeed then stop making excuses and work hard to get better. Right now you are not. Also realize that resources are limited and just giving things away never helps.
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  36. mermaidismyname That is the truth. How much do people who study film actually give back to society? You are not finding a cure for cancer or designing a new piece of technology. I personally don't care if you study film, if that is your degree then so be it. I shouldn't be the one paying for it. You called it a right. I guess I have a right for you to pay to have me study spanish in college even though I won't use it to produce anything in society. That is the exact argument you are making.
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  37. mermaidismyname Sorry the truth hurts at times.
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  38. mermaidismyname "You won't find much of a job." That is my exact quote. I never said that you won't get a job, I said you will have a had time getting one that pays well. As of right now unemployment for those with a film degree is higher than those with a religious degree. It sits at 7.3%. Look at the history of directors in movies and look at how many got a film degree. Tarantino dropped out of high school and as he said, he never went to film school, he went to film. I have no problem you pursuing your dream, but that is the point, it is your dream. If you weren't going to create films then someone else will and life will go on. It is up to you to invest to improve your career goals. I am not criticizing your degree, I am criticizing you. You want to study film off of someone else's dime. Sorry, but shows how little motivation you have or how much you really care about your career.
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  39. Dyvim Tvar Where did I ever say I wanted people to bankrupt themselves? Also, by the way you talk I really doubt you have an actual education to begin with.
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  40. mermaidismyname You never gave support in how free college will lead to a better economy. You pointed towards the Scandinavian countries and then I told you why you are incorrect in that. You have a myopic viewpoint on this. I am not going against a government funded college of some sort. You have to look at the whole situation though. You are cherry picking here and now you are claiming I flip flop on my argument when I didn't. I never once contradicted myself. In reality you made a personal attack first. You said this first "You’re trying to explain to me economics? That’s cute." and then this "Yeah, you don't understand what capital is. " Without justifying you know what it means. And you said this as well to someone else "I guess you are so smart you don't need capitalization or punctuation. " Which is an argument that only works on the internet. You have no problem making personal attacks, you even do it first. But when someone does it to you then you cry foul. And then you make a claim that you understand a topic better than someone else (economics in this) but when shown you don't you make attacks and cry. I will give you some advice, you need to develop better arguments. And criticizing you is not a personal attack. It is a critique on you lack of developing support for your argument and how, in the end you want free college for you. You even talked about you maxing out your loans and wanting to finish college early instead of taking your time to do better and work to pay it off.
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  41. Dyvim Tvar "I know the actual dictionary definitions of words which you couldn't understand even when given the reference material to look at yourself." One, you never shown once that you know the definitions of words. Two, you never once gave me a reference. Typical Lib, always lying and changing the story to make them look better. Must be watching the Communist News Network.
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  42. Dyvim Tvar Damn, I should act like a myopic radical like you, it is kind of fun.
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  43. Dyvim Tvar I already told you that the "living wage" is subjective. My girlfriend earns $0/hr and is doing just fine. You must be a typical lib, a full supporter of the fascist movement.
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  44. Dyvim Tvar Ok, how much rent? I pay $560/month for my one bedroom for me and my girlfriend. My friend has a roommate and they pay, combined, $575/month for a one bedroom (so around $280 per person). You get two people in a studio then you have around $200/month per person. You see, your "living wage" definition is not clearly defined in that I can drive what you feel should be a "living wage" down to a lot less than you. Why type of food? Raman Noodles and Mac and Cheese? Why do you put transportation? What if you walk to work like I do along with my friend? My friend pays zero dollars in transportation. What kind of utilities? I never run the AC or the heat. That is why it is subjective. You have to clearly define something. If you don't then you are just making stuff up.
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  45. kaizoisevil Why is tuition high? Due to the federal government subsidizing it. Also there are cheap colleges where you can actually get a better education compared to a larger one.
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  46. Dyvim Tvar "leeches not supporting themselves" Says the person wanting to take money from people who earn it and give to those that don't. What state budget cuts? Spending in education has been increasing for years. I hear about these cuts but can never find them. Look at the trends in public education spending, it is going up. What is increasing tuition is the federal government subsidizing it thus increasing consumption without increasing productivity.
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  47. Dyvim Tvar "leeches not supporting themselves" Says the person wanting to take money from people who earn it and give to those that don't. What state budget cuts? Spending in education has been increasing for years. I hear about these cuts but can never find them. Look at the trends in public education spending, it is going up. What is increasing tuition is the federal government subsidizing it thus increasing consumption without increasing productivity.
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  48. criminallyinpain1 I have seen people in worse situations than me rise up and do fine. I have no problem with helping people, my issue is that society doesn't care, including you. Asking the federal government to write a check and pay the bill doesn't solve the problem. How we solve our problems is pull the plug on these federal programs and go back to state rights. You will then see states and local communities pushing to better themselves. As of now people, especially you, see a problem and pass it on to the federal government to fix. With that attitude that isn't helping people, it is sweeping the dirt under the rug. I actually want to help people, you just want to sweep it under a rug. This a complex problem, just giving money away doesn't help.
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  49. criminallyinpain1 And if I had kids I would work on educating them myself, I don't need the government for everything.
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  50. criminallyinpain1 College books are expensive due to them selling used. Most of my textbooks were used, especially the general textbooks. My calculus book is from the 80s and is still good.
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  51. People misunderstand the role of college.  You don't need college for an education.  With internet you have resources to educated yourself.  What college shows to employers is that you are willing to make sacrifices and invest in completing a goal in life.  A business is more likely to hire you now because you have drive to get better.  If you make college "free" then businesses will look down on a college degree because you no longer are working and investing to get better but just maintaining a minimum to keep your free ride.
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