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Comments by "whyamimrpink78" (@whyamimrpink78) on "Ben Shapiro's Anti-Bernie Propaganda DESTROYED With LOGIC u0026 FACTS" video.

Ben does not know who Kyle is, and Kyle lost to Kirk which isn't saying much for Kyle.
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@jankjaws9815 , I know it will be difficult to convince close minded people, but I can try. Also, I would love to debate Kyle in front of his audience. Kyle would be an easy opponent.
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@UnstoppableFloridaMan , I disagree with Kirk but he clearly won that debate. Kyle just cussed and walked away. He looked bad.
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True. A huge problem with Kyle and the far left is that they take a "study", take one point from it and run with it to the nth degree. But they never actually read the study, the shortcomings in them, and any counter studies/arguments. Also, the UMass study was not peer reviewed nor published in any journal. And it was done by people who are strong Bernie supporters and supporters of M4A causing a bias. But Kyle won't admit any of that.
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He didn't. He cited a very flawed UMass "study" that is not peer reviewed nor published.
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charmander , leftists don't know how to read studies and think for themselves. They only read click bait headlines. I read the "UMass" study that is not even published in a journal nor peer reviewed. The numbers are arbitrary and they make flawed assumptions that are easier said than done. For example, they have a portion about helping people to move to get new jobs. They 1. Bring up the cost of that when in reality the market for housing will change, how will they account for that? 2. Assume that people are going to be willing to move, especially if they have kids, and nothing bad will happen Overall, the left treats people as pawns, not actual people. That is how that UMass study is designed. Why? Because the far left does not care about others.
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@GuiltyBystander8 , saying it "works" in other nations is not a solid argument as you have the issue of different culture, populations, economy, etc. Also, the US does many things well compared to other nations such as higher survival rates in advanced illnesses.
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@knowstradamusucka5713 true. Kyle claims he has facts on his side but points to one study only. It is a study that is not even peer reviewed nor published. There is a ton of evidence showing M4A will cost more but he will deny it. These people have a religious like belief
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@Jordie389 very vague in how they obtained the numbers. Also they treat people like pawns. On the part of transitioning jobs they are assuming people from the healthcare insurance industry can simply adjust to new jobs and will be willing. They rule out people's psychological behavior. And what if they have to move for the new job? That is not easy and you have the issue of housing prices. Also the study was not peer reviewed, not published in any journal, and written by people who are open about M4A. Overall, it is weak.
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@Jordie389 i agree. My main problem is that it completely ignores human nature which plays a huge roll here
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@Jordie389 , I come here often and challenge far leftists on their views. I get very ignorant and shallow responses. Bernie supporters never actually read the bill and think about it. There are some on this comment page who have and they express concerns and state flaws. One said that the study assumes a 40% cut healthcare prices because Medicare pays 40% less than what private insurance pays. .It assumes that healthcare providers will be willing to take that cut. A pretty strong assumption if you ask me.
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@gaston6800 , that can be fair. Kyle did calm down, but he dug himself in a hole. Overall, these debates are pointless. The fans of the particular person will say their side won. You also have the case that neither one of these people are experts.
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He has. If not why does he complain about inequality so much?
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@vilecrocodile9171 , you are correct. People on the far left want equality of outcome by bringing everyone down.
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@1massboy , if I am going to lose then why run away?
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@gaston6800 , saying they made it "work" is flawed. Read the book "Debunking Utopia" where the author there breaks down how culture plays a main role in how those programs function. Also, the US does many things well compared to those nations such as higher access to advanced care and higher survival rates.
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@sanaralerx9488 "Every other major developed nation has a better healthcare system than the USA." Not true.
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@gaston6800 . coverage does not equal access.
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@gaston6800 , I agree we have issues, but where we excel is that we offer more advanced are and thus have higher survival rates. I feel most of our problems in healthcare stem from the federal government like the payroll tax.
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@sanaralerx9488 , no nation gives everyone access to healthcare.
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@delos2279 , what's your point? We spend more because we offer more. We offer more advanced testing compared to other nations. That cost money. You just can't look at cost. "ou're the only one that doesn't know how to use data," Huh? You are looking just at cost. When we offer more MRIs and CT scans per capita guess what, that leads to higher costs. You are looking just at cost and not what is actually being paid for.
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@delos2279 , what do you mean most metrics? You do know there are many variables outside of healthcare that influence those numbers?
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No he didn't.
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@ivyshaolin2333 public schools and fire departments are paid for and ran locally. Around 70% of fire fighters are volunteer. You can't point to those programs to justify a centralized program.
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@ivyshaolin2333 yes he is. If he doesn't why does he support M4A?
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His ideas won't do either.
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The study was never peer reviewed and isn't published in any journal. It is written by open Bernie supporters. Plus it is just one study. Kyle is a hack
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The left will never give you a clear answer. They somehow feel that this will finally be the federal government program that will save us money.
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He doesn't want what those nations do
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Actually we deliver more. We have higher access to advanced care.
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Sanders is pushing for communism though.
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Exactly. Look at congress. They sit around for hours getting nothing done a lot of times. The same will occur in the work place. Plus, in some places you have uneducated workers who don't really care and have little stock in the company, do you want them making decisions?
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What facts are there?
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That is the issue. Bernie points to Nordic nations saying he wants their results but he does not want to practice what they do. Nordic nations have less regulations, lower corporate taxes, and higher taxes on all of their citizens. They have more of a flat tax compared to the US. But Bernie says only the rich will pay. And he has praised communist nations in the past along with praising bread lines. These are things to be concerned about.
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Finland has around 5 million people and a completely different culture than us. The US education system is ran and funded locally and depending on the culture of the state plays a role in how much they value education. Also, if one was really educated Bernie would not win anything. He is a radical with no actual details in his policies.
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@thomasdendtler4077 , population size is relevant, it creates more diversity. Compare two states, NV and MA. NV ranks low in education but where is the incentive to become educated when you can make 6 figures working in the mines, or $80,000 a year parking cars or dealing cards? Thus they don't value education as high. In MA they are ranked high in educated. That state is home to Boston College, MIT, Harvard, etc. They have more 4 year colleges per capita than NV. So their culture values education a lot. That is their culture. You say "simple math" is you treating everyone as if they all think and act the same. It isn't that easy.
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@antediluvianatheist5262 , uh, less population means less diversity thus you can get more people on the same page. Also, look at my comment where I compare NV to MA. If you understand economics there is a portion that looks into people's spending habits which deals with personality and culture. You might need an education.
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@thomasdendtler4077 , it has to do with a lot. A larger population size means more diversity and thus different cultures. Finland is smaller than most of our states. They are much less diverse and thus can, at the federal level, manage their programs easier. We can't at the federal level. Every state is different.
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So what is your solution? Cancer comes and you can't cure it without major medical treatment. There will always be some sort of inequality.
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I have
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Every system has shortcomings leading to deaths. Is that 30,000 the norm, higher than the norm, or low? You can't say because getting accurate numbers on that issue is almost impossible as one, it is a very minute percent of the total population, and two, there are many factors at play.
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Sure, but you guys are engineers, well educated. Try applying that to a fast food restaurant with a bunch of high school kids. Also, how much control do you have? Do you get to decide how much you are paid? How much you work? There is more to it.
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@jankjaws9815 , not really. I have no problem engaging in discussion on issues. I do it all the time. I feel like we don't do it enough.
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True. There are two major problems with these debates. One, no matter what happens the fans of each respective person will say their guy won. Two, neither of these people are experts
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Exactly. Kyle has never read the study. If you cut by 40% healthcare providers will do what other nations do, cut access and quality.
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He didn't duck, he wasn't debating anyone at that time. Plus, after the JLP issue where Peterson said he was not told anything makes me question how honest Kyle is. I feel like Kyle was lying as he provided no evidence. And what was wrong with what Ben said? There is a lot of truth there. Kyle just cherry picks one study on the cost of healthcare, and it was a study that was not peer reviewed nor published, as if he has the facts on his side. That is a week argument.
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@BC8i8 , is inequality severed? One can easily argue it is not.
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@vikrantpulipati1451 , inequality of what?
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@franklance9167 , when I get time. I eventually will, but remember, graduate school is hard and his show is at 6 in the morning.
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@Matt-ww9wv , wealth inequality is a very challenging issue to discuss. In a recent paper from the Oxford Review of Economic Policy entitled "Measuring inequality" They have an entire section on that. To give some points "There are a number of challenges, however, in using wealth to study inequality. First, it is illiquid, so it may not give a clear reflection of one’s immediate access to resources. Second, the easily measurable components of wealth—like financial wealth—are incomplete. Take, for example, a student. In many cases their student debt will outweigh their other financial assets, and so they will have negative financial wealth. However, we would not typically say that they are in a worse position than never having studied at all. The reason is because the student has taken on debt to accumulate human capital, which is valuable as a means to increase lifetime earnings but not typically counted as wealth. Policies designed to reduce wealth inequality could therefore have many undesirable consequences, not least redistributing away from people with zero assets towards those with negative assets. " This is a major problem I have with the far left. They cry "inequality" but don't go beyond that. Here, I have a 6 figure debt due to college loans. I am pursuing my PhD in physical chemistry. Will you say I am worse off compared to a homeless guy on the street with no debt? You would say no, but in reality I have negative wealth and he has little to no wealth, and thus has more wealth than me. You have to factor that in. No different than how Kyle and his fans cry about how half the nation earns $30,000 or less. Well, I and my colleagues fall in that stat. We are graduate students pursuing our Masters and PhDs. Do you think we are in bad shape? The far left just throws out a stat as if it means something when the issue is far more complex than that. As for " Examples like nobody in their company can make more than 8 times than the least paid employee is one that is popular. " Why? If you take the top 6 executives from Wal Mart and spread their money to the 545,000 lowest paid employees of Walmart, they will get an extra $147 a year. That's it. What do you gain by capping how much one earns?
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@vikrantpulipati1451 , read my comment to Matt, I address both, especially wealth inequality. Just because it is wide does not mean it is a bad thing.
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@vikrantpulipati1451 , I did about income inequality. I will add. Say someone is a CEO of a company and has 100 employees, and 10 years later they have 200 employees but saw a pay raise of 50%. Sure they pay went up 50%, but they added 100% new jobs. So what is wrong with that? Debt is a part of the inverted pyramid. It also shows how well off we are in that we are willing to give out loans to people with the idea that they will pay it off. A lot of loans are for large items like a home or a college education that makes you better off in the long run.
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@Matt-ww9wv , just because you want people to be educated does not mean they will be. I know many graduate students who are not smart. I come here and have discussion with people often and they refuse to read material I give them from experts. When you refuse to read opinions from experts and rather listen to Kyle that is a problem. K-12 education is ran locally and is the local community deciding to give kids some level of education. College is what you make as an adult. It is an investment you make as an adult. You don't need college to be educated. You can do that on your own. College is an investment you make. You went to the extreme, how about this. Why stop at "free college", why not have government run the entire economy and have every job be a government job? Where is your stopping point?
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@vikrantpulipati1451 , the 20s are a completely different economic times compared to now You really can't compare. Also, the Federal Reserve did not do their part.
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@Matt-ww9wv , where is your stopping point? I have mine. College is an investment you make as an adult. That is where the value comes from. You want cradle to the grave dependence. So why stop at "free college"?
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aaronsdavis , I brought up wealth inequality and cited work about it. Just crying "wealth inequality" does not say the full picture. The homeless guy on the street has more wealth than I do because I have a college loan and I am a PhD student. Does that make me worse off compared to that homeless guy?
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aaronsdavis , this is the issue with Bernie and his fans, they scream one talking point and then go on an appeal to emotion rant with it. No actual details or objective thought. And if you disagree with them they do what Kyle does, simply say they are wrong with no actual evidence.
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@vanquish421 , you mean the government doing it? What do you actually learn as an individual? You can pull out a loan and then bitch to have the government pay it off?
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@William-Morey-Baker , I have no problem with student debt. A college education is an investment just like pulling out a loan to start a business is an investment. " That homeless man has a near ZERO chance of getting from where he is, to where you are, regardless of access to debt" Which is why screaming "wealth inequality" a weak argument. "using money to gate keep knowledge" All the information is there, go to the public library, look up videos on the internet. College is an investment.
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@B.White70 , uh, it is a solid argument against the whole wealth inequality issue. The same argument was made and published in the Oxford Review of Economic Policy.
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@hariboo5047 , education is free, anyone can get books from the library or look up things online. The value in a college education is that it shows you are willing to invest to gain access to something and completely a long term goal. Sorry, but if you need the government to pay for your education as an adult you are beyond help. There is a reason why the US has the best university system in the world. "but there is no denying that a single payer system is more efficient than private health insurance" Not true, and plenty shows that. As Katherine Baicker said to Congress in 2009 "On the other hand, a single payer system does not automatically provide high quality care: the provision of low-value care is as pervasive in the single payer Medicare system as it is elsewhere. Single-payer systems are also slow to innovate – as suggested by the fact that it took Medicare 40 years to add a prescription drug benefit, long after most private insurers had done so. Nor do calculations of the costs of a single-payer system measure the utility loss from forcing people with different preferences into a monolithic health insurance plan. The private facilities that have sprung up in Canada to meet the demands of those who want more health care than the public system provides fundamentally undermine the “single payer” nature of the system. "
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Shapiro isn't wrong. Bernie never answers the question. When pushed on M4A Bernie simply says "it will cost less", how? The UMass study is not reliable as their numbers are never described and are arbitrary. They also make a lot of assumption socially that won't happen. Finally, that "study" was never peer reviewed nor published in any journal, thus it is an equivalent to a blog. Bernie isn't open about anything. He is pushing radical plans with no actual details. The worker owned coop won't work in many parts of the market. Do you want a group of McDonald employees, without a high school diploma, to make important decision to a company? I feel Kyle doesn't understand Bernie. Bernie is a hack that does want a centralized system to control most programs in our market.
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@Yo Momma , care to give me those studies? Encouraging worker coop through a tax incentive is not wise. Again, do you want a group of uneducated workers making tough decisions? And yes, McDonalds workers are less qualified to hire an accountant as most have never seen accounting.
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@Yo Momma , the UMass study is flawed. To start, they don't explain where they get any of their numbers. Next, they treat people like pawns. For example, starting on page 108 they talk about displaced workers and giving them new jobs. New jobs where? How will they be trained? What is they don't want the new job? What if they have to move? People typically don't like to move. There is a reason why that study was not peer reviewed nor published. Let me ask you, have you even read it? On the College of Physicians, that is an invite only club. I will have to take time to read the first one but so far you are 0 for 2. "Worker coops are no different, except there is a bunch of them voting instead of one dude" Again, do you want a group of people, with no education, and no stock in the company making decisions? Worker coop can work in some cases, but not all. You are assuming that workers will be very knowledgeable in how a business operates and will care. Most don't.
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