Comments by "whyamimrpink78" (@whyamimrpink78) on "7 Million People Have Lost Health Insurance Under Trump Admin" video.
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@Dsullivann , saying other nations do it is not a solid argument. There are many factors at play and even with that they still face shortcomings. You say we have the worst health outcomes, what do you base that off of? There are that suggest otherwise including a book by Prof. Scott Atlas from Stanford. As for that 40,000 stat, there are several flaws in that. First, people die in every nation due to lack of healthcare. For example, up to 7000 people die a year in Australia waiting for "elective surgery". So what do you have to compare that 40,000 number to? Nothing as no similar study was done in other nations. Next, those 40,000 a poor and bad health is associated with being poor. There are higher rates of obesity, type II diabetes and smoking with the poor, all self inflicted. So the question becomes do they die due to lack of healthcare access or due to being in bad health to begin with? Also, people in that condition have many issues. As mentioned in the book "Being Mortal" people point to modern medicine to live another 5 or 10 years but really will live another 5 or 10 months. So if you give these people care and they live only a few months more is that a success?
This issue is complex, I suggest you read up on it.
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@Dsullivann , I don't think you do. I just cited two books on the issue. If you did than you would not be making the statements you do and you would understand the counter arguments to the 45,000 deaths stats.
You say we have the shortest life expectancy. You do know there are many factors outside of healthcare that influence life expectancy? For example, the US is number 1 in obesity rates for OECD nations. Obesity compounds health problems such as shorter life. Two professors showed that if you remove car accidents and murders the US is number 1 in life expectancy. And we have a higher black population than other OECD nations where blacks have a higher rate of heart disease leading to shorter life. So you can't just use life expectancy. As for infant mortality obesity leads to pre-mature births which leads to higher rate of infant mortality. Again, we lead OECD nations in infant mortality.
As for your first article I will ask, what makes the Commonwealth Fund relevant? You do know they are a private business with a motive? And I read their rankings. One factor they considered was amenable mortality where this article suggests you can't use that as a way to determine healthcare system strength
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20823843
So that questions the strength of that ranking. That ranking also ignores survival rates of advanced care such as cancer care which we are number 1 in.
As for that Harvard study I told you the flaws behind it. As former Harvard professor and now current University of Chicago professor Katherine Baicker said, "So when you see that the uninsured have higher mortality, you don't know whether it is because they are uninsured or because they are lower income,"
https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2013/sep/06/alan-grayson-claims-45000-people-die-year-because-/
Baicker was the lead author on the Oregon study where when people were offered Medicaid and were compared to those that weren't the physical health of those with Medicaid did not improve, that is because their lifestyle choices did not change
https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMsa1212321
So there are shortcomings in that 45,000 stat. And for the 7000 in Australia, compare the populations.
When you say
"Do you know how many people die in another country because they can't afford healthcare? ZERO."
Now you are changing the standards. In the Harvard study it is talking about lack of access. You are not saying in other nations it is due to them not being able to afford it. You have different standards. In other nations they can "afford" it because the government pays for it. That does not mean they have access. I am keeping the same standards and using access. Dying while waiting for care is no different, in my opinion, than lacking insurance in the US. In both cases you lacked access.
Again, I suggest you do more research on this topic. You claim you know a lot about it but so far you cited a questionable ranking and a study that has many counter arguments to it.
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