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job Reneman The book is called The Business of Health by Prof. Robert Oshfeldt and John Schneider 1. How does paying with healthcare insurance offer better oversight? That does not make sense. Also, I can maybe see the idea of seeing where the money goes, but in that case why don't businesses also pay with a car, or rent, or other things? The real reason why businesses pay with healthcare insurance is because if they were to pay with a higher wage they will have to pay a higher tax due to the payroll tax. Benefits were 100% tax free thus businesses paid that way to pay employees more without paying higher taxes. I debate several people on hear and one common chart I see is one where productivity, since the early 70s goes up but wages don't. The reason why is because the payroll tax made it so businesses stopped paying with higher wages but instead paid with benefits. 2. The reason why this is the case because business pay with insurance as opposed to a higher wage thus workers have no choice but to lump all healthcare spending with healthcare insurance. To m insurance should be for emergency care such as if you are in an accident. But elective care such as a routine checkup should be done through seeing a doctor with a lower rate. Much like car insurance covers a car accident but not oil changes. To me, if we removed the payroll tax businesses will instead pay with a higher wage. If you do that people will, at a young age buy insurance that caters to them. They will be able to keep their insurance if they switch jobs, and they can get a plan that they want so you don't have men paying for contraceptives or women paying for Viagra. Also, insurance companies will compete which lowers prices. Does some of this sound familiar? Instead people are stuck with a generic plan offered by their employer. They are at the mercy of their employer and the reason why is because of the payroll tax. But that is just my opinion.
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Really hard. Unless you are rich they won't let you in.
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Miracle Veshae https://www.aei.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/-the-business-of-health_110115929760.pdf Other countries do not have a better system. The problem with our healthcare system is that it is not free market but instead has the federal government getting involved. Also, the system we have not attacks the rich with high taxes, is not working. What Bernie is proposing will destroy the economy to possibly a point beyond repair.
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Ronald McDonald Trump That is debatable. https://www.aei.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/-the-business-of-health_110115929760.pdf
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Actually the expansion of the payroll tax has caused some of the very problems Bernie is against.
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samiamrg7 Not really. Scrapping the system in this case would be best.
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samiamrg7 Obamacare is not popular, and medicare and medicaid are failures. The people who are on it now should remain on it, but we need to eliminate the payroll tax and go to a more free market form, or let the states handle it.
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samiamrg7 I want to remove Obamacare. I want a more free market system to where if the government is going to get involved at all it will be at the state and local level. Get the federal government out of healthcare. " It also made it so that your insurance can't drop you if you have a pre-existing condition," Which can be taken care of if you had a free market system or at the state and local level. "It also allowed children to stay on family plans longer " Which begs the question of when are you no longer a child? If 25 is the age now why don't we raise the voting age to that much? If there are popular parts in Obamacare than the states can put them in.
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samiamrg7 Because if they pass a law like that they will also add other parts in it to favor them. People are wanting to attack the parts of Obamacare they don't like, but in doing so they are also attacking the parts they do like. At the state and local level you can create laws that cater to what people want. But at the federal level you have representatives you can't even vote for creating these laws. They hear how you don't like certain parts of Obamacare and thus attack the entire law. That is the issue. The federal government is saying "if you want that part of the law, you also have to have this".
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samiamrg7 That is not true, especially if the federal government were to lower taxes. All 50 states run and fund their own K-12 education systems, what makes you think they can't do it with healthcare as well? If we go back to the system of the only federal taxes are on imports and exports and a tax on the states, along with cutting federal programs that the states can, and should be running, then it won't be an issue. The reality is that the federal government has nothing to begin with until it taxes the people. Lower the federal taxes, at least, allows for more revenue at the state and local level. But this idea that the federal government has all this revenue is 100% false.
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samiamrg7 We are a country because of the constitution that binds us together, but that constitution still pushed for state rights to have the states run domestic issues like healthcare.
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samiamrg7 The Constitution is there to place limits on all governments and protect the rights of the people. I agree, there is nothing stopping the states from making their own ACA and some have. The fact is that the federal government shouldn't. The states can function just fine without the federal government's revenue. There is no such thing as redistribution of the wealth as wealth does not equal income Louisiana and Mississippi have a lot of federal funded because of the high percentage of blacks that live there and blacks make up a disproportional amount of people on welfare when you break it down by race. If you cut all federal social programs and leave it to the states it will be fine.
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samiamrg7 Texas is really independent as well and is doing fine. Also, I would not say KS is independent as they adopted CCSS and Texas didn't. Also, KS was above the national average in GDP growth and is far from a "shit show". They don't have any cities going bankrupt like CA did. As far as debt is concerned, you have this https://ballotpedia.org/State_debt "The whole Southwest would be like a third world country today if wealth from the North hadn't been used to support it's development" How? They seem to be doing fine in terms of GDP growth https://www.bea.gov/newsreleases/regional/gdp_state/2016/qgsp0716.htm
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samiamrg7 The 50s and 60s were great because every other country was rebuilding after the war giving the US an economic advantage. Other countries demanded our services. What happened is that now every other country has rebuilt and now it is all coming back to bite us in the ass.
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samiamrg7 What makes you think Wyoming and especially AZ can't go independent? You have nothing to support what you are saying. Those debt numbers I gave you are per capita. You are ripping on KS when Connecticut is left wing and is a mess. So the south can grow but other parts of the country can't? Seems like other states need the south by what you are saying. Taxes were not necessarily higher than. Also, those soldiers earned that housing and college education. I see no problem with it.
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samiamrg7 And it comes back to if you cut federal spending, lower federal taxes, than those states can manage themselves. Wyoming receives a lot of federal money because of farm subsidizes which are pointless and the states can manage. Also, several states receive a lot of federal funding. And in the 50s and 60s nobody paid those tax rates. In 1967 there were 155 Americans who earned over $200,000 that paid $0 in federal taxes. Yes, the country benefits, but the federal government can't micromanage. That is why the states should do that. We are a country thus we can trade across state lines tax free, but every state is different and thus domestic issues should be ran by the states. But KS still has low debt compared to the rest of the country and still no bankrupt cities like CA had.
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samiamrg7 http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2013/09/the_myth_of_red_state_welfare.html
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https://www.aei.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/-the-business-of-health_110115929760.pdf There is a great book on how other countries do not really have that great of a system. My opinion is that our problems of healthcare stem from the payroll tax. To highlight why I will ask two questions 1. Why do some many employers pay with healthcare insurance as opposed to a higher wage? 2. Why does healthcare insurance equal healthcare in this country? I agree with Richard, Medicare is one of the reasons why healthcare is so expensive.
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job Reneman No need to buy the book, it is free online. But at the same time I buy books all the time. The problem we have is that the US is so large that they can hide things as well. I can see some sort of healthcare program at the state and local level, as the more local government is the more control people have over it. The issue is that the federal level we don't have that control. Obamacare was a mess and so massive that almost nobody could read it, and those that did a small portion of them could actually understand it. As such the federal government can find a way not to be transparent. There is a desire to have government and government involved in certain parts of society, such as healthcare. But we have to keep it as local as possible to ensure the government is no manipulating us. I understand your reasoning in how private businesses can hide things from us, but the government can as well and did with Obamacare. Now back to your first point of making them pay taxes. Some republicans are looking at the idea of making it healthcare benefits are taxed. If democrats want the payroll tax and medicare than we keep it and tax healthcare benefits. With that businesses might just offer a higher wage because doing so is easier than paying through healthcare benefits. Democrats won't like it, but they also don't like the alternative of removing the payroll tax thus medicare and social security to begin with.
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job Reneman People may agree with some of Obamacare, but to me that is holding society hostage of "either you take the whole law or not at all". That is a problem. That is why there federal government is hiding a lot of things. People like some of the law, but when they start to attack the parts they don't like they end up attacking the parts they do. The media has become entertainment and is partisan themselves. Even this channel on Youtube,Kyle is very bias and offers not real information but only talking points. With state funded channels that does lead to a problem of how they will only give you what they want you to hear. But the media is not al that great either. What the US has to do is push for more local government. At the local level you can see if government is actually working for you by just looking out of your window. You can't at the federal level. Nobody can follow everything, so the more local issues are the easier it is to follow.
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job Reneman At the federal level we are not a democracy and for great reasons. On the media you are trusting the state at that point, the same state that gave us a poor healthcare law. I see your point, but we need alternatives. I can't comment on what goes on in your country as you are different. I personally don't like to compare the US to other countries because the differences are too great. To me, in the US our problems come from the federal government which needs to be altered. For right wing channels I would check out Stefan Molyneux. He offers a lot of citations but even says you should question them. He is too anti-government for me to take 100% seriously, but he is great in a lot of ways.
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What exactly did Bernie do? All he does is talk. He does nothing to actually solve the issues. Anyone can talk and promise free shit.
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Eric Melendez I know, and all he does is sits there an talk. Anyone can promise to give away other people's money. Bernie has never produced anything in his life.
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Eric Melendez That will most likely not pass. What city did he produce? And his campaign was going to fail in the beginning. People saw past his craziness.
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Eric Melendez People have criticized Bernie in the past on how Vermont could not pass single payer and how Vermont has a drug problem. Bernie's response was that he was the senator from Vermont. He was not taking responsibilities for Vermont's problem. Bernie was an independent his entire political career until he decides to run for president, than he calls himself a democrat. Of course the DNC is going to be against him as he was just inviting himself to the party to destroy it.
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Our problems with healthcare stem from the federal government. Allowing the federal government to become more involved is not going to help but instead make things worse.
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Yep, he cares so much about the people that he bought a third home. Meanwhile we have a homeless problem and over 30% of the nation do not own the living quarters they live in. But Bernie cares so much about the people that he wants everyone to be dependent on the government and tell you how to spend your money.
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General Zod I never said he spend donation money, I said he owns a third home. Why didn't he sell the home and give the money to charity? You do know that according to hie 2014 tax returns that him and his wife spend a smaller percent of their income on charities compared to the Clintons? Bernie is great at giving away other people's money, but never his own.
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We expanded the payroll tax in the mid 60s and offered medicare and medicaid. Things became worse. We passed Obamacare and things became worse. So no people want more government? There comes a time where you need to realize that the route you are taking is wrong. Maybe we should repeal Obamacare, medicare and medicaid. What I feel is sad is how many people have become so dependent on the federal government that they become scared the second people propose taking away those social welfare programs.
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I like how you mentioned cancer deaths when the US has the highest cancer survival rate in the US.
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What exactly did Bernie do besides preaching about spending other people's money? Anyone can do that.
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Miracle Veshae Bernie has a handful of talking points and does not understand economics nor does he understand the people. All he does is preach about spending other people's money. Anyone can do that. I sometimes feel Bernie has a mental disorder. Also, other countries are not doing what Bernie is proposing.
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Medicare is one of the reasons why our healthcare system is so poor to begin with.
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Bernie has a mental problem himself.
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Oh, look. Bernie is fighting for a program that doesn't work, and spends other people's money. What a surprise. Bernie lost, he needs to go away and accept that people do not like socialism.
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Interdimensional, the US is in bad shape because of politicians like Bernie and his policies, or policies similar to what he supports being implemented.
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Interdimensional Steve When has Bernie ever fought for me? All he does is promises to give me free stuff. He does not even say if the quality will be high, just that it will be free. And when asked how he is going to pay for it or if it will even work he shouts his same handful of talking points of "people are getting sick and tired of working harder for lower wages" or "it is a right to have an education" or "the rich are getting richer" and blah blah blah. He really has nothing going for him. Anyone can promise to offer free things to others. What good is a free education when the quality is low? "So... do you prefer: health care, schooling, and good paying jobs for all" I want a high quality healthcare and schooling and jobs that generate wealth for society. Bernie has no plan to offer that.
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Interdimensional Steve I just want to add that I read recently, that since Trump is creating a business friendly environment that Ford announced that they will be investing in the US creating 700 jobs. Looks like another victory for Trump.
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In reality nothing will happen. It might cause them to win in the midterms.
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The problems with our healthcare system, to me, stems from the federal government and mainly the payroll tax. Allowing the federal government to become more involved will just make things worse.
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The counter argument is that people will die instead. So pick, die or become bankrupt.
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Single payer already failed at two states.
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Mike Stavenes Colorado and Vermont both went against it.
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Mike Stavenes They tried to pass it and failed. That is what I was saying. As soon as the voters found out how much it will cost they decided to go against it. It can't even get past the voters.
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Mike Stavenes That makes zero sense as I am using a computer right now. Tell me, has universal healthcare passed at the state level at all?
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