Comments by "whyamimrpink78" (@whyamimrpink78) on "Bernie Sanders: I 'Likely' Would've Won" video.
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Ah, the polls. The same polls that said Clinton will win. The same polls that said 87% of Americans want universal background checks but such laws did not pass in ME and passed in NV by only 0.45% (and many sheriff departments said they won't enforce it as Clark County is why that passed). The same polls that said people want universal healthcare at a close to 60% rate but Coloradocare failed at 80% vote. And Vermontcare, Bernie's own state, could not pass universal healthcare.
This is not to be cruel or rude but the ultra left, including you, need to stop with the polls as they have been wrong lately. The polls are not matching the results. In the end Bernie lost. And the guy he was so opposed to, Trump, won. And the republicans won as well. How do you explain that? If Bernie's plans are so popular, than why do people vote in the opposite of them?
On Sanders being popular, look at the results of the poll closer. One, they just polled people from that state. He has a high approval rating from the people of Vermont. It does not mean he is popular. Look at the top four. Two from Vermont, two from Wyoming. They are also the states with the two smallest population. The next two are from ME. The top six are from three states. When you break it down farther you see that those senators come from state that have, typically,
1. Small population
2. Low crime
3. Are mainly white in terms of demographic
A small population with little problems will make people happy leading to a high approval rating of their senators. So that poll means nothing.
On Trump's approval rating, Gallup did a poll an showed that the satisfaction of the direction of country is growing. And that democrats have a much lower approval rating then Trump.
"Theres a reason why most people are fighting Trump when he attempted to take away healthcare and why it failed miserably."
No one is fighting him besides those on the radical left that have nothing better to do. They are the same people that lost. They are the same people that forced Obamacare down others' throats. Now that it is happening to them they do not like it.
When Obamacare was being pushed Republicans said to leave it with the states. Let the states handle it. But instead democrats wanted to force it on people. Now those same democrats are seeing how it felt for those on the right. Complain all you want, you created this situation.
"I mean Trump even lost the popular vote "
Because LA and NY and the Bay Area are three of the most populated areas in the US and are very liberal. That is why the electoral college exists.
"I mean what are you even talking about? Are you really this right wing
or biased or delusional that you can't even admit how obvious that
election would of gone? "
I am a moderate. I just understand that the polls have been wrong and that people do not want socialism. There is a reason why Bernie lost and why many considered him to be a joke. The liberal media (located in NY and LA) has lost touch with the rest of the country. He would have lost by a wider margin than Clinton did because, as we saw in Colorado, people do not want his policies.
"Again this is because most of the increases in taxes would of been
increases on the rich that were not paying fair taxes through
deductions, tax loop holes and off shore accounts. "
1. Define "fair share"
2. As Cruz showed even if you raise their taxes you could not come close to paying for Bernie's plan. Cruz brought that up in the debate and Bernie did not deny it
3. Trump's tax plan leads to a simplify tax code which is what people want. They do not want a more complicated tax code. People would have ran away from Bernie's tax plan as Bernie himself said he would raise taxes on everyone.
"I mean how do you think he would of lost? "
He lost to Clinton and Trump and the Republicans, he exact people he was against, won.
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Ah, Jonathan, I feel touched. You came back for more. And I see you are learning a bit as you now have given links. So there is hope for you yet. This should be fun.
I know about margin of error. Even at that predictions still had Clinton at an over 90% chance of winning. And as I showed other polls were way off. Even at that it is shown that polling by phone is not reliable for many reasons. You have limited time, you can't see the physical expression of the person you are polling, you have limited coverage and limited response rates. So as a whole those polls, which are done by phone surveys, are not reliable to begin with. I usually never trust polls for that reason.
"Did you just state that the majority of Americans wanted universal
background check and state because it didn't work in one state that its
false?"
It goes beyond that. MO passed a law allowing citizens to carry a conceal weapon without a permit. They relaxed their gun laws. At 87% I would expect it to pass in ME and NV by a larger margin. So why is it at 87%? Is it because every other state wants it at an over 90% rate? Or is the margin of error of error 30%? BTW, NV voted for Clinton,. has 4 of their six representatives as democrats, and their legislative branch swung to the left. I would expect a higher than 0.45% margin of victory if 87% is what the poll said. Sigh. And I was having so much hope for you.
"Again picking a single state to argue the overall majority of the people"
It isn't just that, it is Vermont (Bernie's own state) as well. And 80% is large. Again, do we have a 20 to 30% margin of error? Colorado leans left in many ways. They voted for Clinton. 80% is huge. I can see 80% coming from Oklahoma, a dominant red state and your argument being valid. But from a state that leans left coming at 80% I see you as not having an argument.
" and also avoiding large amounts of money from the companies that
present false material and falsify the bills attempting to be passed."
Which again shows why the polls are unreliable. When given more information people change their minds. Whether or not it is false does not matter. This comes back to what he other person said saying Bernie would have won and pointing to polls. Bernie was not subjected to the attack adds of Trump. After that what makes people think he would have won?
"No they haven't, you seem to have trouble understanding how to analyze
polls, understand margin of errors, or even comprehend what polls are
used for. Yet again more examples that you don't seem to understand
simple statistics. "
I can analyze polls quite well. When a poll says 87% and one state does not have that same law pass, another passes at only a 0.45% margin, and in another state they relaxed their laws, that shows the polls are off. You are holding on to your polls when reality is saying a completely different story.
Also, if you understood statistics you would know how unreliable phone surveys are, especially recently with caller ID.
http://www.annualreviews.org/doi/full/10.1146/annurev.psych.55.090902.142040?url_ver=Z39.88-2003&rfr_id=ori%3Arid%3Acrossref.org&rfr_dat=cr_pub%3Dpubmed
"Trump argued
-He wasn't going to go for corporate interest
-Wasn't going to cute medicare
-Wasn't going to outsource jobs
-Wasn't going to cut social security
-Wasn't going to intervene in other nations
The list goes on and on and on, this is the reason he won, because he
claimed to be the populist and it was an obvious lie. This is why his
approval rating has been dropping."
1. He isn't
2. I agree he went back on his word here
3. He isn't
4. I agree that he is going back on his word here as well
5. I do not recall this, but even at that saying he is going to make Mexico pay for the wall immediately showed he was not for that
Oh please expand the list. So far I see only two. Even at that saying he won't cut medicare is flawed as a proposal, at one point, was given to allow the states to run medicare more. Mike Pence suggested it and Indiana has a state medicare program. Cutting federal programs and allowing the states to run them is not exactly cutting them. I know how you love to play word games.
"Yes out of 100 senators, he has the highest approval rating per state.
Also the argument you posed has no statistical backing, this was done
per proportion of the state.
"
You can't say he is the most popular senator in the country those. Here you go again misreading polls and statistics. He has the highest approval rating. Second is the other senator from Vermont, hmmmm. That is ironic. Third and forth are from WY, the state with the lowest population. But again, it does not suggest that he is the most popular senator in the US. If he was then they did Trump and the Republicans win. Many candidates Bernie endorsed lost. If he is so popular why did that happen?
"Also you are correct, the DNC has worse rating than Trump! Because they
did the exact thing that Trump is doing, taking corporate money. Also
Bernie has no such approval rating and is far higher. "
Trump does not take corporate money. Fact is that the democratic party is falling apart. As long as that is happening Trump is fine. Also, give a few years and see what happens.
"It never happened, because many states refused to cover more people, and
many red states refused to offer healthcare. It's obvious that the
previous system was not working and that is why people wanted more
coverage and why it's at it's highest now "
We had the healthcare debate already. While it needed improvement it was successful on many fronts. Leaving it to the states would have been fine. If those "red states" did not want do reform healthcare then why should you care? Let them do what they want. Instead you wanted federal reform. You got it. Now republicans are in power and they are doing to you what the democrats did to others. You created this situation now enjoy it.k
"actually taking into proportion, they gave the equal amount of votes to
the popular vote in comparison to the state size. Do some simple math
Also no, the electoral college is an outdated system that was used as a
bargaining chip to allow small states have more power than large states.
It is a system that should be abolished, but overall it doesn't the
main point doesn't change.
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Sigh. Again, I had so much hope for you. But I will still try. Maybe, someday you will become a doctor. But for now you have a long way to go.
What do you mean proportion? It was one person one vote on the voting numbers. LA and NY have large populations and are far on the left.
And no, the electoral college is not outdated. It is designed based on the structure on the US. The states manage the federal government and the federal government serves the states. The citizens manage the states and the states serve the people. That is why we are the United STATES of America. That is why there never used to be a federal income tax. . That is why we have state rights and states run
K-12 education
3/4 of funding for roads is state and local
Have their own DUI and murder laws
Have their own law enforcement
Was given the decision to expand medicaid
And so on. Without the electoral college fly over states will be screwed. We are a very diverse nation, and because of that the balance of powers is spread out and not concentrated.
"The majority of the country did not want Donald Trump to win,
regardless of where they are located. Also the majority of the country
heavily disapproves of Trump right now, there's just no way around it."
But he, and the republicans won. End of story. We do not run the federal government on the majority as nothing, ever in the history of this country, has ever been determined by the majority vote at the federal level.
I suggest you learn some history as well.
"You are grasping trying to make Trump look like he was more likely to
win even though all the evidence doesn't suggest that. You are anything
but moderate "
Trump beat Clinton, Clinton beat Bernie. Very simple. Also, you said with Coloradocare that with advertising people voted against it. Bernie was not subjected to Trump's negative attack ads. Bernie was too easy of a candidate to go against. He was too easy to attack. That is why no one took him serious.
I am a moderate, Bernie is the most radical politician we have had in this country. About the only other guy I can think of that is close is Rick Santorum who I hated. If the democrats want to succeed they have to do what Bill Clinton did, our last good president we have had. Clinton was a great leader and worked well with others The democrats need to do what he did and tell Bernie to leave.
So people like their social programs but also voted for the party that wants to cut it? Again, you have polls I have reality.
"Already did before, they pay less in % compared to people who make far less in salary"
The top 10% pay 70% of federal income taxes but only earn 40% of the income. Also, I agree, our tax code is unfair and complicated. Trump is going to simplify it which will be more "fair". Bernie just wanted to make the tax code an even bigger mess.
"Which tax increase? Cruz stated multiple things during the debate,
please cite the time and the tax increase he was speaking about "
Look up the video "Bernie Sanders vs Ted Cruz: The Future of Obamacare". Go to 1:25, it is near the end. You will hear Cruz's numbers and Bernie did not deny them.
"The people want increased taxes on the richest people in the country, which is exactly what Trump is not going to do. "
And they voted for Trump and the republicans.
You: polls
Me: reality
Enjoy your polls while I enjoy reality.
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"I didn't contradict myself at all and you didn't cite any single poll or argument at all."
Don't need to cite polls. I just look at election results. Bernie lost and the man he rallied against, along with the party he rallied against, won. That ends this discussion. You cite polls trying to believe that Bernie is popular and that in some alternate universal he won. Meanwhile Trump won.
"You didn't show them to be wrong, you didn't show any counter evidence. I
demonstrated the statistics, the polls, the margin of error, the
accuracy of the polls. The ones you are arguing against, you didn't cite
any single one. "
And I credit you for the margin of error. But other predictions were wrong and other polls, such as gun background checks and universal healthcare, were way off. Also, if Bernie's policies were so popular why did he lose and why did the people he endorsed lose?
"You haven't cited a single thing, you haven't shown the numbers you are arguing about. "
I did, voting results in ME and NV. If 87% of the people want universal background checks then why did it not pass in ME and only passed by 0.45% in NV? And why did MO pass lighter gun laws?
"Stated it above, he lost in regards to closed primaries in Democratic primaries. Again leaving out independents"
But the man he was so vocal about wanting to lose, Trump, won. Why did that happen? Why did republicans win when they did not support basically any of Bernie's policies?
"Explained it above multiple times and with tons of evidence supporting
it. He BARELY won the election but you keep avoiding all the evidence. "
But he won. If Bernie was so popular as the polls claim I would expect that will give Clinton the edge as Bernie endorsed her. Bernie is so popular that people do not even listen to him.
"Which states? Congress?Senate? A large issue right now in the DNC is
because of their corporate money. This is why many people love Bernie
Sanders, because he doesn't take corporate money. Again polls,
statistics and evidence always demonstrated this. "
And Bernie rallied against republicans (who also took corporate money). People refused to listen to Bernie. For a popular guy no one takes his advice.
"It didn't get repealed, are you this dense? It didn't get repealed,
people wanted healthcare and didn't want it to get repealed without
replacement that was better. Again it didn't get repealed, and you keep
avoiding this reality.
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Republicans ran on appealing Obamacare. They did not have a replacement plan but still ran on that and for the last three elections they won. If people wanted universal healthcare you think they will not vote for the party that is totally against it. Are you this dense? Why do you keep avoiding reality?
"No you aren't, you haven't cited any evidence, polls, stats, facts, nothing at all. "
Election and voting results. Reality. You are like the guy who says the earth is flat and I say simply "look at this picture" showing a round earth. You then choose to ignore reality. I am not trying to be rude here but that is how you are acting. You are looking at polls when the people voted differently.
"I've given you links every single time just like I have embarrassed you
in every single debate. There's a reason why you looked like an idiot in
the climate debate, theres a reason why in every single debate I link
sources and demonstrate simple mathematics and you can't comprehend. "
I never see the links. But who looks like an idiot? You said I was a high schooler. You said that I was not a PhD candidate. Yes, I have questioned if you are actually studying to be a doctor, but that was after you questioned my PhD standing. You claimed I was from a rich family which is not true. You made personal attacks first to try to avoid discussing the topic at hand.
"You linked
- No sources
- No facts
- Avoided all stats that contradict you
- Presented arguments that make no logical sense and were debunked above
and there is a clear reason you are Not a PhD candidate.
"
1. Not true, I have linked many sources.
2. I have linked many facts.
3. They make complete sense. You just lack reading comprehension skills.
4. I am a PhD candidate. You do not have to believe that. Like you can believe Bernie is popular based on pool that only asked people from Vermont. Or you can believe he is popular despite him
1. Losing
2. His candidates losing
3. the policies he support are not passing with votes
4 the man he rallied against (Trump) winning
5. and republicans, who are against Bernie winning.
If you cannot accept basic facts than we cannot begin to get into discussion.
"
Edit: I posted studies in all the healthcare debates, look back at the
comments. Every single time, theres a reason why everyone can tell you
are a fake and I am not. "
They call me fake because I am in the lion's den. I am willing to do that. I am outnumbered here. If this were on a Rebel Media video it will be the opposite. They will call you a fake. But again, you do not realize that I am in a hostile area that no matter what people here will disagree with me. It is like a Michigan fan going to an Ohio St. bar, they will be greatly outnumber.
"Might want to think why people can tell you aren't in the field but can tell I am. Can you tell why?"
I can tell you why. If you want to have this discussion on a Rebel Media video we can. Or a Steven Crowder video. Steven Crowder has a video about Bill Nye and the gender spectrum with over 400,000 views. We can move this discussion over there. You will see more people will side with me and call you fake because then you will be in hostile grounds. That fact that you do not realize that is the case shows how dense you are.
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Justin, yes, the economy crashed under Bush because recession happen. You cannot blame Bush for that. If you are than you have to blame the democratic congress. Recession happen, how we recover is key.
"Vermont "failed" because it was abandoned, not because people voted
against it. The person who dropped it almost got booted out of office
for it,"
But he didn't get booted. So it doesn't matter.
". Colorado failed because it affected Medicare, something that was an
issue with the proposal itself and not the idea. So you're comparing
apples and oranges"
Colorado failed because people do not want to pay the taxes. Universal healthcare will cost to much unless you make the quality worse.
". And you still are going after polls despite people bringing up
townhalls where they are making their voices heard, numerous rallies and
events around the country and the people who have joined Justice
Democrats, Brand New Congress and other such groups."
Just because you are the loudest does not mean you are popular. Many showed up to Bernie's rallies but he still lost. Seeing a bunch of people march, scream and cry does not mean anything to me. How come these people were not more active and kept Trump out, or voted Bernie in as a write in?
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" Texas outlawed abortion because life "begins at birth" despite no data behind that. "
Life, by definition, begins at conception according to biology. The real abortion case is Casey vs PP. If you can take that fetus out and have it survive on an instrument then you can make abortion illegal at that point. Roe V. Wade was based on the fact that in that time women were shamed for getting pregnant outside of wedlock so you were having people do abortions in bath tubs which is a risk. So that ruling is based a lot on emotion. But again, by definition of what a living thing is life begins at conception.
". And since were telling people to look up videos "Response to
"DEBUNKED: Top 5 "Climate Change" Myths" by Louder with Crowder" is a
great video where a man Debunks "data" that Steven crowder uses. "
I have seen it and I agree with a lot of what that man says. But he also does not say that climate change is a major issue, and he also agrees we do not base science on a "consensus". Remember, the consensus was that the world was flat. The consensus was that Newtonian mechanics is the way to go before quantum theory was develop by a handful of scientists. Also, Steven Crowder in that video I mentioned brought up the changes in the polar ice caps which is him admitting he was wrong.
"Again straw man. Just because Bernie has a different economic policy,
and the right appeals to emotions when argueing against bernie to or do
you not remeber people shouting communist."
What Bernie in debates. When pressed he goes to his appeal to emotions talking points. In a debate with Douglas Holtz-Eakin about the min. wage Douglas said that he felt that we cannot raise the min. wage during high unemployment and that the money did not exist. Bernie went on this rant about Walmart. Douglas asked about other companies besides Walmart and Bernie brought up Burger King and McDonalds. Douglas asked about other businesses and Bernie deflected back to Walmart and how there are poor people. No numbers, no data, just him creating this boogeyman in Walmart and "big corporations" and how we should attack them because they are rich. That is Bernie's tactics, purely appeal to emotions. It isn't that he has a different economic plan, it is that he has no clue how the economy works, has no data, and just uses emotions.
"Create a boogeymen for rich people? lobbyist have already done that for
themselves. Are you so blind that you cant see any legitimate criticism
of the rich."
Money in politics is another issue that involves the federal government having too much power. I do not blame the rich there, I blame our politicians, including Bernie. That is a different topic if you want to discuss that.
" And i agree the women march was stupid of people, but guess what the
rights no different when it comes to stupidity. Remember how they
constantly said how Obama was coming to take their guns yet he never did
. "
And I criticized them for it. But in the end he pushed for more pointless gun laws when his re-election was no longer on the line.
"You yourself have also failed to address the legitimate concerns of the
public left with ryan care, pollution, the blatant attempt at disbanding
of ethics committee and to add one more the right for service
providers to sell your information. "
The majority wants Obamacare gone, that is why they voted for republicans.
Pollution is not a major problem. Believe it or not but "big corporations" do not pollute. And states have their own EPAs to prevent that (one just visit my work yesterday).
Internet websites could always sell certain information about yourself. If not you will have to pay to use Youtube.
"You constantly seem to forget that people have used data and evidence
againts you while also being on the left, which in itself unravels your
entire argument here."
No they haven't. They claimed to post links. I can't see them so I ask for titles and authors and they disappear.
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"The roe v wade case was decided on the fact it violated privacy as in
the 14th amendment, a right granted by the constitution. Regardless of
what people think the case was based on law. And prehaps i used the
wrong word i should have used sentient life but oh well"
Privacy is not listed once in the Constitution. Nor does the 14th amendment cover abortion. Read the constitution sometime.
"Thats an over simplification of what he said. While i agree that he did
go on a little bit of a rant, the question asked Mr, Holtz said well is
their anyone left after Walmart. Only then did bernie sanders bring up
Mcdonalds etc, as he was asking who else could pay He did not deflect he
brought up other businesses when Doughlas holtz Aaksed him to bring u
other companies.. (i know its the same video because i see your comments
kek)
"
And what about small businesses who do not have the money? To Bernie it is all about "big corporations" and "millionaires and billionaires". When a small business owner asked him about regulations in a town hall discussion Bernie did that, went to those two talking points. He does not address that small businesses have to pay the min. wage as well.
" Ask them by provision and most agree with what the ACA, with most of the
people would are dissatisfied with the taxation of persons with out
insurance. "
I would agree, but the mess is that the federal government is running the show. This should be been left up to the states.
"Prehaps its because regulation prevents them from doing so and even
then, multiple oil spills that have happend across the country along
with how the companies. In my state the local government had to stop a
company from dumping in a river because it was killing the fish
population and was making children unhealthy (because it was a popular
swimming area). Since then the river has been recovering. (This happened
many years ago)
"
States can take control of pollution. No need for a federal EPA. Also, when BP had the oil spill the stock prices dropped and they still haven't recovered yet. The free market worked there.
"Internet service providers are far diffrent from internet websites do
to the fact they can sell much more personal information. internet
websites make most money of off advertisements. "
I see nothing wrong with selling personal info as long it isn't your SS or CC number, which that has always been illegal. That is why no one cares and no one talks about it.
"Yes people do i know you've done this shit tons f time on secular talks videos but people post sources. "
Post titles and authors. I enjoy reading sources.
"Anyway i am done responding as i am now bored of this argument, you can respond if you want but you will get none back. "
So I call you out and you run away I see.
Man, I win again.
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