Comments by "whyamimrpink78" (@whyamimrpink78) on "GOP Resorts To Outright Lies To Argue Against Medicare For All" video.

"You all are talking about different numbers than what i referred to. It is a fact that a much larger portion of payroll tax goes to defense than beneficial programs" Payroll taxes do not go to defense spending. "That completely depends on what numbers you are considering. If you look at the break down of discretionary & mandatory spending it is a lot different. Looking at the discretionary spending, 54% goes to defense & homeland security. If you INCLUDE mandatory & discretionary then you are at 16%." You have to look at the entire federal budget. "Now when you consider we spend more on defense than the next 7 countries (conservative figure) COMBINED, I think most rational people would agree that is insane. " To be honest while not being rude, I find it insane that you cannot put things in proper proportions. If you combine the GDP of those 7 countries it would be comparable to our GDP. So of course we spend as much as they do when our GDP is around the same amount as their entire GDP combine. Our education expense is similar to those 7 countries combine. You can't just throw numbers out there without proper context.
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Optimus Fine, there are many downfalls. When you break down the numbers the US system is on par with other nations. Also, establishing medicare for all will require a radical transformation of the economy which will lead to a major recession.
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https://www.aei.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/-the-business-of-health_110115929760.pdf These numbers.
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Daniel Pierik, read this book https://www.aei.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/-the-business-of-health_110115929760.pdf
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" recession? Hahaha dude... People are going to have MORE money to pump in to the economy, because they won't be going broke for medical care." The country will be broke, or the quality of healthcare will be lowered. Take your pick. Also, healthcare is 1/6 of our economy. Having the federal government take it over will lead to a recession.
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"It goes deeper than our health care system, it's our general attitudes & ignorance that holds us back. We would rather our tax dollars go to a much bloated defense instead of back to US, THE PEOPLE, in services & goods. " Defense spending is around 4% of our GDP and only around 18% of our federal budget.
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Pete, the problem is that healthcare insurance has become healthcare. Insurance should be there to cover unplanned situations that are expensive. Like car insurance covers if someone wrecks your car. But car insurance does not cover tire rotations or oil changes. For many healthcare services they can be paid for out of pocket which will lower prices due to competition and knowing the price. Leaving insurance to unplanned situations will lower healthcare insurance as well.
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Covering everyone with low quality care is not a success. We can eliminate homeless people if we killed the homeless, is that what you want?
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Mal c.H, define "basic medical care". That is vague. Also, how do you plan on providing it when we lack doctors, nurses, surgeons, researchers, etc. We lack organs for people. We have a waiting list for kidneys. Is a kidney replacement "basic medical care"? Where do you draw your line and why?
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I feel bad for you but in the end you are just one person. I am not willing to change an entire system based on one person. Say we help you out, who suffers then? Nothing is free and everything comes at a cost. I support improving our healthcare system, I feel that allowing the government, who cannot even create a website, running it is not the solution. The free market is. We do not have a free market system in healthcare. We have a for profit system with many government regulations. I support getting government out of healthcare. No system is ideal, but we can't let our emotions take control of logic and reasoning.
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Nathan D, people who claim that having the government offer healthcare to all as a solution are being very vague about it. They claim that it "works". In comparison I said that killing homeless people will "work" in ending the homeless problem. Saying something "works" is a poor argument. When you run through the numbers nothing suggests that single payer is better than what the US has. https://www.aei.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/-the-business-of-health_110115929760.pdf Healthcare is a complex issue with expensive equipment, highly skilled workers, and the evolving human body and diseases (unless you are one of those ultra leftists who do not support evolution). Simply saying that the government funding it with Medicare for all will solve our problems is being highly ignorant. It isn't that simple. Now on to some of the things you said " The failure of logic is so glaring because he provides no proof of "low quality care" and instantly paints your idea as an equivalent to "killing homeless". " I just linked you a book showing that other countries do not get better results. The US is number 1 in the world in research and innovation in healthcare. Our quality is high, even supporters of single payer has said that. "Stop discussing these things with people like that because they will pull you into some crazy shit like "where will we get the doctors?" " It is a valid question. Where do we get the doctors? We lack doctors, nurses, surgeons, etc. How do you expect to provide healthcare to all when you lack doctors. Let me give you a scenario and you try to solve it, you have 10 people and 5 TVs, now how do you give every person a TV? Remember, you have only 5 TVs. Now the same is with doctors. How do you provide healthcare to all when we lack doctors. " or use actual shortages that cant be currently solved (organs or some other non-manufacturable commodity) and compare it to things we can like simply training people for the roles." We cannot simply train doctors. Going to medical school is challenging. Many do not get admitted as almost every one of them has less than a 50% acceptance rate. We lack doctors for two reasons 1. People do not want to do the work 2. People are not able to do the work This is the problem with the Medicare for all people. They turn a blind eye to the actual challenges that they will face in establishing this program. You are doing it yourself and just proceed to attack me saying I am creating a strawman. How about you come up with solutions to the barriers I present. Until you do than I will simply say that Medicare for all is not the solution.
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"ut you're right, I am just dragging myself down to the level of someone who constructs alarmingly illogical arguments. Such a bonkers fallacy confuses and disturbs me too, but maybe that's just because I spent time studying fallacies of argumentation for law school. " You are trying to dismiss my argument as opposed to taking it on. You started with this "Providing basic medical care for all citizens" And I responded with this "define "basic medical care". That is vague. " Which is true. You then proceeded to do an appeal to emotion argument which does not go well to people who are intelligent and logical. " It's just that the saddest part is that my experience is hardly unique. And a lack of study on the issue along with lack of compassion does still throw me for a loop. " I looked at the issue and I feel compassion, to me having Medicare for all is not the solution. Again, how many people will suffer to cater to you? You have to consider that. You are, in a way, wishing ill will on others so you can do well. Nothing is free. As I said, I am all for improving our healthcare system as it has problems. If it were as simple as Medicare for all then I will be all for it. However, knowing the complexity of healthcare and the inefficiencies of our federal government, it is not that simple. Again, I feel bad for your situation, but I have to think logically here. Unless you have an intelligent comment to support Medicare for all I have to dismiss your comment.
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Noonelikes, that book is written by two professors who are experts in that field. They cite all of their sources and give all of their resources for you to read and criticize if needed. It's quite disgusting that you will dismiss a source that easily without reading it yourself and coming up with you own original thoughts.
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There are a lot of good counter arguments for medicare for all. If there weren't we would have established it by now.
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Two professors wrote a book on that issue https://www.aei.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/-the-business-of-health_110115929760.pdf
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sprybug, do you have an actual counter argument against Prager U? Or do you just want to resort to violence?
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sprybug, again, I stand by that statement. You had radical groups in the KKK, Neo Nazis, BLM and Antifa all coming together and getting violent. They are radical groups who should not represent any side of the political spectrum. They looked for trouble, caused violence, and someone died. I cannot feel bad for someone like that. If it was an innocent bystander then yes, I will feel bad. However it wasn't. "Kicking his ass is a figure of speech. " Can't be too sure these days, remember, someone just died by being run over by a car. A BLM person killed two cops after the BLM group chanted for dead cops. " If I actually did get in a room with him, I would just LOVE to talk with him," Based on your comments and how you approach me I doubt it. " That's why he spews out his propaganda. He wants to keep the power and money he has, " You base that on what?
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The Democrats "support" medicare for all because they have no power. Just like Republicans supported the Obamacare repeal until they got in power.
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"Is small businesses not having to pay for their employees medical harmful to the economy?" Get rid of Obamacare and the payroll tax. Why do businesses pay with healthcare insurance to begin with? Ask that. "Is people being able to work longer hours without worry harmful to the economy?" I don't want to wait. "Is the number one cause of bankruptcies being eliminated bad for the economy?" When it results in an inferior healthcare system, yes. "If people have more disposable income that they can spend on multiple things bad for the economy?" How will they have more disposable income?
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Count Deku, where? Every state that tried voted it down.
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Burg, almost only counts in horseshoes and hand grenades. 80% of voters voted against it in Colorado, a left leaning state.
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Daniel, 80% voted against it in Colorado, they are "actual people".
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