Comments by "whyamimrpink78" (@whyamimrpink78) on "Disabled People On Medicaid Beg GOP To Not Cut Their Healthcare" video.

I love the economic illiteracy in the comment section. It isn't about money. We lack special ed. teachers in our K-12 system. What makes you think we have an abundance of doctors and nurses to serve all these disable people who produce nothing? This is not to say that we shouldn't help these people. But you have to consider the lack of supply in goods and services we have in healthcare and how we can't serve everyone. Stop allowing your emotions to overcome your logic and reasoning.
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Jace, I don't support a candidate for emotional reasons.
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Jace, you are making zero sense right now. I can support Trump and do so in a non-emotional way.
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creaturecore13, other countries face shortcomings as well. Read this book https://www.aei.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/-the-business-of-health_110115929760.pdf Nothing suggests that the system the US has is inferior to other countries. " About 25k people die every year because of lack of health care in this country." Only 25,000? I consider that to be a success. That is less than 0.01% of the population. More people die in traffic accidents. "And do not forget America is the richest country in the history of the world. The issue is all the money is in the hands of the few. " We still lack doctors, nurses, surgeons, equipment, etc. Or is the rich people holding all of that as well?
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Jeremy, it is about emotions. Sorry, but we lack goods and resources when it comes to healthcare. If you really want to help them push people to become doctors and become one yourself. Or get a PhD and do research in healthcare.
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Anime Girl, people die in other countries because of wait times and lower quality. That is why their life expectancy is comparable to ours. I agree, on paper those people do not die because of lack of coverage because on paper everyone is covered. But that is a very low standard. In the US on paper everyone has access to a K-12 education. But when you break it down in some areas they don't have AP courses or even a course like calculus or physics. So while they have access to a K-12 education the quality is low. In my home state we increased graduation rates by lowering the standard. On paper more people have a high school diploma, but only because the quality is lower. With those other countries, on paper everyone is covered. But when the quality is low or the wait time is high it doesn't matter. When you use vague statements it isn't a strong argument on your part.
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"First of all, I don't give a single damn about K-12 education, I've no clue why you brought it up." It was to show you how being vague in your standards is not a strong argument. Again, saying everyone is covered does not mean the quality of care they receive is not high. Also, you have to consider how many have died, or now live worse lives because of low quality of care? I applaud you for the wait time list (granted no citations), but again, what about low quality? How many people had their symptoms get worse while waiting and had to live with a problem that could have been fixed if cared for earlier? And 45,000 people is a small number. As a Harvard professor said, you can't claim that they only reason why they die is because of lack of access to healthcare. They are generally poor and have low quality health to begin with. " Its clear that even though Canada'a system could be better, ours is way worse." Healthcare is a complex system. Citing a couple of statistics with zero analysis on them does not make it clear.
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Your story is just one story. If you were a PhD candidate you would control your emotions and ask yourself how many people with your condition, or other disabilities we gave up resources to and end up producing nothing? With healthcare we lack supply in goods and services. We simply can't give away resources to people who produce nothing. This is not to say that we shouldn't help people. But we have to consider the cost and if it is worth it. While your story is great, reality is that if you were to die you can easily be replaced. That is the same for basically everyone, including me. If someone who is disable and produces nothing at all dies then essentially no one will care. This is not to be an asshole but these are things we have to consider. No system is ideal. We can't cover everyone.
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"I have to say, excuse the citizen pink on this forum. The arguments posed by this person alone makes me believe she is a high schooler with a possible mental deficit." Your personal attacks with no justification is not an argument. I justified why I feel you are not knowledgeable on the topic. You feel that all murderers lacked access to healthcare and that is why they kill people. You also think that someone were to die in a car accident it is because they had bad healthcare coverage. "Don't take what she says to strongly, the majority of the country disagrees with her overall perspective. That type of ideology is dying out. " 80% of voters voted against single payer in Colorado. Nevada's governor just vetoed it and being from NV I don't hear any outcry. People voted for Trump and the republicans to move away from what the democrats want. They voted to get government out of healthcare. You have zero evidence on your side here. "You'll pretty much waste time and effort arguing with a highschooler citing papers she doesn't understand. " i am still waiting for all of these studies you keep talking about.
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"Providing additional health care and assistance to all severely disabled people in your country would altogether cost very much money, about 20% of what you daily spend on the war in Iraq." I would like to see a reference for that. "Feel free to comment on the stupid sh*t in some other comments (probably coming from a country providing 33,000 deaths from gun violence annually" Around 2/3 are suicides which is a non-gun issue. If you remove guns people will find other ways to kill themselves. You may say my comment is stupid, but I find it asinine that you get all emotional and lose logic and reasoning. Your story is great, but you can't lose site of the big picture. I have a great story as well in that I had to fight to get into the graduate program I am in now and was denied at one point. I had to prove my worth and got in and now I am one of the top students in the university. But does that mean that a university should take a chance on every questionable student? No, because chances are they will not excel. Same with providing care for disable people. There comes a point where people have to realize that we do lack resources and does investing it in them really benefit our society? And if it does we should leave it at the local level.
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"What is the point of health insurance if you don't use it on the people who need it?" You buy insurance for situations that are unplanned and expensive. As with car insurance, a person totally my car is unplanned and expensive. Now you asked about people who need it? I can assume you are talking about sick people or people with problems. The problem we have right now is that people feel that insurance is coverage. Or in other words, healthcare insurance is healthcare. That is not how insurance works. In relation to car insurance a car insurance company won't cover someone who has been a bad driver. One problem we have in this country is that healthcare insurance has become healthcare. "Crippled people deserve to live as much as anyone else and their care does not cost a bunch of lives." That is debatable and subjective. I can understand keeping disable people alive, but I feel it should be left up to the local community. "Forcing people to die is murder. " If you want to go that route we force people to die all the time as a society. There are many homeless people who receive zero and end up dying. "Resources are not infinite, but there are enough to go around" There isn't enough to go around. This is another reason why I support leaving this issue up to the local community as you can micromanage the resources. "
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Sorry to be harsh but if you as a person are not productive or have not friends or family to support you then you are not worth anything in society. Looking at disable people and trying to appeal to emotions is not an argument. It will be great to save everyone but you have to realize that we lack supply in both goods and services in healthcare. Something has to give. We can serve these individuals which takes up resources in healthcare, or we can focus on other people who will actually produce in the end. You can call me an asshole but that is the reality. You are essentially wanting me, a healthy 30 year old to pay more in healthcare and hold me back to so some disable person who isn't productive at all gets care. Topics like these are discusses with people studying to work in the healthcare profession for a reason.
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Jarred Emanuel, we lack doctors, nurses, surgeons, hospitals, equipment. We currently have a waiting list for organs. We lack supplies.
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Midnight Blue, Apollo1641, it isn't about money. It is about us lacking doctors, hospitals, equipment, nurses, surgeons, researchers, etc. No amount of money will create more doctors because they simply do not exist. If all it took was more money then people will be pushing for that. But the fact is that it isn't that simple. This is why socialism continues to fail. You simply look at money when you need to look at the real goods and services available. We have a waiting list for organs for a reason. Raising taxes isn't going to increase the number of organs on the market.
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Raizhen010, people die for lots of reasons. No system is ideal. We cannot cover everyone. You have to think about the limited resources we have and the best way to manage them. I am not talking about money but instead the lack of doctors, nurses, equipment, etc. Topics like these are discussed with med and nursing students. One of my former students is a nursing student and she was reading a book about the elderly and whether we should continue giving them care to keep them alive or just let them die. It is an issue that is debated. If someone can't produce and constantly needs care they can be considered a burden to society. " When you get something serious like cancer, I'll gladly pay taxes to get you the help you need." It isn't as simple as "pay taxes". Are you going to motivate more people to become doctors? Are you going to motivate more people to do researcher to find better ways to combat cancer? Just saying "pay taxes" and throwing more money at the system is not going to increase the number of doctors we need.
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ben outlaw, trying to appeal to emotions doesn't work for me or reality. If I were disable it won't change the fact that we lack resources in healthcare.
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Raizhen010, who is the evil one here? You want to force doctors to work more but you justify it by simply saying you will pay taxes.
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"Single Payer works in nearly every other country in the world" They have many shortcomings as well. https://www.aei.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/-the-business-of-health_110115929760.pdf Saying it "works" is very vague. The system in the US works as well. " Why would I want to continue talking to someone who wants me dead, " I don't want you dead. Reality is, though, that if you die the world will keep spinning. Same with me. "I wish you the best in your life and again tell you that I'll be there when you need help because I believe in compassion." So if I were to get sick you would study to be a doctor and offer to help me for free? Is that what you are saying?
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"And a person of your dubious scruples are of no use to us as a society. " If I were to die tonight the world will keep on spinning. "We can expect you to betray or cast aside everyone whom met with misfortune and are no longer "productive". " I have helped many people in society. I had a friend with a mental problem who lost their job and couldn't pay rent. I spent around $2000 to help them out and allowed them to move into my apartment for free until they got better. I help out my co-workers with their research to they can earn their PhDs and do research in the sciences to progress us. I could have said no and worried only about my own projects. I didn't though. A friend of mine did not have a job over the summer so I gave them a place to stay at my place and money so they can make it through the summer and get a job in the fall semester. I help others out. Reality is, though, that us a society can't help everyone out. Also, it is my experience that those on the left are less willing to help unless it involves other people's money. " And oh please, you don't lack supply in both goods and services in healthcare." Yes we do. We lack doctors, nurses, surgeons, equipment and so on. I do research in physical chemistry and we lack equipment in science. We have to build most of our stuff as the instrumentation does not exist. It is very profitable to become a doctor, people just refuse to put in the work or simply can't do it. How many people on this comment section are willing to study to be a doctor to help in our healthcare system?
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Alarios711, 1. We have people failing out of pre-nursing and pre-med programs all the time. I failed two students myself last semester because they simply could not pass physics. It is a combination of people not being able to do it and people not wanting to do it. The income you receive for being a doctor or a nurse is high. So cost of college is not an issue. Even if they pass the pre-med program they can still fail out of the medical school. Now that is a low percent, but considering the acceptance rate is low (less then 50% for all med schools), they do take only the best and brightest. 2. I understand that those on disability won't need 24 hour care. But again, we lack nurses. It comes down to is it worth it to invest resources on these people. I am not saying they should not receive help, but there comes a point where it can be a waste. 3. How does it create jobs? Again, we lack the skilled workers. I guess if you were to lower the standards into getting in med school then fine, but now you have lowered the quality. Also, creating jobs is easy. Creating wealth is difficult. You are investing tax dollars in people who produce essentially nothing. Are you getting a return on your investment? And saying they are "jobs that pay taxes" is not true when you pay them with taxes to begin with. 4. The point of the organ example is to show the scarcity of resources. 5. The waiting list is not a myth. Even Bernie Sanders admits to it. Every country admits to it. My healthcare is fine for me if you want to use anecdotes. I pay $30 a year for a physical and right now $0 for everyone else. Name calling shows lack of intelligence.
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"We all have to pay into pool for auto insurance for cars. " No you don't. If you don't register a car you don't. Even at that insurance is a state law, car insurance companies can compete over state lines, you don't have programs like medicare and medicaid in the car insurance business. You don't have highly skilled workers such as doctors and nurses in the car business. Car insurance does not cover oil changes or tire rotations. You can get plans that only cover liability. Comparing healthcare to car insurance is poor. Oh, and if you get into multiple accidents and you are a bad driver then you rate will go up.
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"Sure... boast about how "helpful" you are. Yet not understood that by your own reasoning... those that you claim to help have no used to society and shouldn't be helped." One of them is a doctoral candidate and is one of the brightest minds in physics. Even at that I helped them on my own accord. I felt like it was worth it to invest my money and time into them. I have not problem helping people. I have no problem if society does it. We have to get our money's worth though. You do that by keeping government as local as possible. There is a desire to help people in trouble. But we have to worry about our limited resources.
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"You and Hitler would have gotten along." How so? " That is exactly the logic that the fascist regimes used when they began involuntary euthanasia for the disabled." I never said to kill them off. They will die off naturally.
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Raizhen010, people die. Sorry if that fact is new to you. Is there value in keeping people alive who produce nothing in society while they take up resources?
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Raizhen010, that is up to the local community. There is a desire to have money spent by government to help people out and to move a community. But the key point is that the people have to get their money's worth. If a local community feel that having a program that gives healthcare to the disable is a good investment then fine. That can also be done through charity. A high school classmate got into a car accident and is not productive. Through charities most of his medical bills were paid. But again, that is up to the local community. At the local level people can see if their tax dollars are being spent the way they want. This is why there is so much hatred towards Medicaid and why it is a failing program. My tax dollars are being spent on people on the other side of the country. I can't see if it is actually working. At the local level you can. I understand the emotional side of keeping people alive, I really do. But you have to factor in the economic side as well. What grows the economy the most is people getting the most out of the resources we have. There is value in keeping people alive. However, again, we have to determine if it is the best investment in society. " For as much as a scumbag as you are, I would still help you. " How? Are you going to become a doctor and provide care for me for free? It is easy to "help" others with other people's money. That is why socialism on the large scale never works. You claim you are helping people when you aren't. This is why I support smaller, more local government as people actually help others. If funds are limited people will actually be active in helping people.
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Raizhen010, I feel bad for people but I can't let that hold me back, or society. I have to focus on myself and the people around me. I am sorry but if a guy in Florida dies that never heard of and would have never heard of in my then I really don't care. No system is ideal. You are never going to save everyone. As soon as you figure that you then we can progress.
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