Comments by "whyamimrpink78" (@whyamimrpink78) on "STUDY: 131 Degree 'Super Heat Waves' Are Coming" video.
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MIchael Bennet, you have a few things wrong with you comments
" For decades scientists have been telling policy makers to take action
but it seems many politicians don't consider climate change a priority "
That is not true. Scientists have been saying a lot of things. There is a disagreement on climate change. Not whether or not it is happening, but more of
1. how much is man playing a role
2. is it even bad
3. and if it is bad, what can we do
The only thing scientists agree on is that
1. it is happening, it has been for over 4 billion years
2. man is contributing in some ways, that is basic thermodynamics particularly the 2nd law.
3. We need to do research in it just like anything else
But the idea that scientists are saying that climate change is bad and must do something is simply not true.
"You're also talking like right-wing people don't care about climate
change, which is not true in many countries. After all, right-wingers
are often the first to accuse the left of pampering to ideology rather
than following the evidence. However, all experimental evidence leads
to the conclusion that pollution is the biggest factor responsible for
the measured increase in global average air temperature over the last
100 years, mostly due to the greenhouse effect."
Both sides are concern, problem is that the left has made it political. The idea that the right, even in the US, are not concern is simply not true. Funding for science research went up under Bush. Also, on pollution and climate change, you mention data of 100 years. 100 years in a 4 billion year old earth is minute. That, again, is why there is disagreement.
" the goal is to prevent the global average air temperature getting
larger and larger, which is causing all sorts of undesirable effects
like an increased frequency of extreme weather events, net increase in
ice melted at the poles, more frequent droughts, etc. "
Again, is that bad? Evolution happens because of things like that.
"Climate as it is today is different from what it would be had the atmosphere not been polluted. "
That is based on what?
"By the way, the point of my original comment was to point out that even
if clean energy had no effect at all on climate change mitigation, it's
simply a sound investment from a financial perspective."
Why? "Clean energy" is right now inefficient and expensive. We have made progress, but at the industrial level we still are not there. Also, with that inefficiencies you will hurt other research. For example, running Los Alamos National Laboratory requires a lot of energy that has to be reliable.
"Why invest in expensive fossil fuels when clean energy has the potential
to offer value for money and greater return on investment (ROI)? "
Economically, fossil fuels are still the best we have.
"Consequently, and fortunately, many US companies are already investing
or are planning to invest in clean energy regardless of the current US
government's lack of commitment on that front. After all, businesses
want to make money."
And I agree, we will get to a time where "clean energy" is better. But we are not there yet and thus we still have to use fossil fuels. If the government would stay out of it the private sector will change.
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"Hmmmm... I'll investigate."
You should.
"In my opinion, we shouldn't ban smoking or cars, but we should legislate to prevent deaths. "
I agree.
" I think the same should be true for environmental legislation, but I
can't really comment specifically on US environmental legislation
because I don't know what laws you have in place."
It can't come at the expense of our economy. We have to find a balance.
" I don't know anything about third-world industries. I think fracking
should be banned in the UK because it does lead to problems that
outweigh the benefits."
Fracking is actually very safe.
"I'll give it a go, but I'm not an academic anymore and am restricted by
paywalls. :( By the way, do you know about this website?"
I have read that site. That book I mentioned talks about that site as well. It has been debunked. By the way, I am not saying that book has all the answers. However, it is worth a read and gives counter points that they cite. The overall issue is not clear. When you hear the political left talk about climate change they never mention any scientists names nor have any scientists on stage with them discussing it. The politicians are being deceptive. I am all for progressing on the issue, I just feel that politicians are not the answer. That book mentions that at the very beginning.
"Well, okay, but I think people understand enough about the limitations
of renewable technologies to make contingency plans to prevent those
kinds of issues (e.g. install backup storage). Sorry about your laser
problem! What project are you working on?"
I am developing methods to study structure and dynamics of biological materials using ultra fast spectroscopy.
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"I disagree. There is consensus in the scientific community because there
is clear evidence that the carbon in our atmosphere has come from the
burning of fossil fuels by people and not natural sources or processes.
Times have changed from the time when the initial hockey stick graph
appeared."
There is no consensus. The "consensus" has been debunked many times. Read the book "Why Scientists Disagree About Global Warming". They break down the consensus on the issue. Even at that, when you read the consensus none of them are saying it is a threat. They are just saying that it is happening and that man is contributing. Now again, is that bad? We cannot say.
"Yes, I think those phenomena are bad because they lead to human suffering. Call me crazy but I think human suffering is bad."
Human suffering happens from many things. 35,000 die a year in car accidents, so should we ban cars? People suffer from smoking. Should we ban smoking? Also, humans in developing nations are suffering due to lack of industry. Pushing for laws to prevent them from growing means they will suffer. The industrial revolution led to our society being strong and making us well off. Not allowing other nations to do it makes those citizens suffer.
"It is based on evidence. The current massive increase in temperature is
definitely not due to the continuation of natural processes that affect
carbon distribution on Earth. There are many journal papers on the
subject."
Which papers? I would read them as I do have experience in reading and understand science literature. Also, I, and others, do not deny the trend in temperature increase. A few things. Again, is it bad. Next, that data I have seen is around 100 years old. 100 years may sound like a lot to you as it is a lifetime, but the world is over 4 billion years old. In that perspective it is minute. You have to consider that which is why there is a disagreement on the issue.
"We're basically at the tipping point right now. Clean energy is
starting to get cheaper than fossil fuels because the price of clean
energy has dropped dramatically. "
I agree, but we are not there yet. We can't force it. Forcing it leads to an economic decline causing more problems. It will happen. Companies are investing in "clean energy". I support that move. I just don't want it forced.
"Clean energy is already here and even if you choose not to agree with
me, it is simply true that there are companies making a huge amount of
money right now from clean energy technology."
I fully agree with you. I am just saying we can't force it. Forcing it will lead to problems. My research, for example, requires a reliable energy source to run my LASER set up. Without it my set up can get destroyed, and it has happened because of an unreliable source. Mirrors that cost thousands of dollars along with waveplates that cost that much are damaged. And that is minor. The pump laser can get destroyed if we have unreliable sources of power. If that goes out I am screwed on my research as that can cost, at least, $80,000. That does not even include getting the guy in to replace it. That is why we have to use fossil fuels at the industrial level for now until "clean energy" becomes fully reliable.
"Clean energy" is fine at the small level. Rockport, MO is ran fully on windmills. But that town has almost nothing in terms of industry. I fully support going to "clean energy". However, we can't force it.
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Bruce, that book is written by three individuals with their PhDs. They cite all of their sources.
Now let me break down your link before I get to that fool Potholer54, who, by the way, is not a scientists.
"On the other hand, perhaps the intended audience isn’t scientists are
even people who closely follow the science. Perhaps their intended
audience is legislators, teachers, and others who have influence over
society?"
Yes, the same as other resources like Potholer54 or SkepticalScience. Their target audience is not scientists.
"With this as a backdrop, I received a copy of a humorous report from an elected official in the USA."
Calling it "humorous" is immediately trying to discredit it. Unnecessary statement where I question the validity of this article and the maturity of the author.
"As a scientist, when I read any manuscript I ask a number of questions."
I am a scientist as well. The author does not describe what field. I will. I study physical chemistry.
"Who wrote it and what is their expertise in the field?"
The authors and sources are listed and easy to look up. But the author of this article does not list their credentials.
" When statements and conclusions are made, what is the evidence? How do
these conclusions fit into prior work in the field? Is the new study
confirming prior work or in conflict with it? If there is conflict, why?"
Those answers are in the book.
"The authors of this manuscript are Craig Idso, the late Robert Carter,
and Fred Singer. These three are not exactly (or even nearly) a trio of
reputable climate scientists."
"Climate science" is a broad field. You will be hard pressed to find "climate science" as an actual degree of study. Climate science involves fields in physics, astronomy, ecology, biology, chemistry, etc. I would not trust and ecologist to explain the me the quantum mechanics of photosynthesis, in which we know little about.
" According to a literature search performed using the search engine
SCOPUS, neither Idso nor Singer published a credible paper on global
climate change or its implications in years."
Research in "climate change" is broad. One can study quantum coherence and it can, technically, but related to climate change.
"One way to measure the authors’ impact is by counting how many people
have read and cited their work. For both of these authors, the number of
people who have cited them is shockingly low. "
There is some truth there. But also, how much work have they produced lately? Many incredible scientists simply do not do work in academics or write papers anymore. A main reason why is because they do not pick up students as they are working on other things. Also, Fred Singer works in physics. Physics is a field that is challenging to publish in. Physics journals usually have low impact factors because of that compared to biology journals. But more importantly, he says "shockingly low" but does not give a quantitative value to compare to. He mentions another scientists but does not mention their field or research. He is hiding things.
"The measurements have been done many different ways, all leading to the same conclusion – the consensus is strong. "
The "consensus" is that climate change is happening in which that book does not refute. They refute on whether it is a threat and how much man is playing a role. The book tears about the consensus that this author seemed to have missed.
"you have about 3% of the less-talented scientists in dissent."
What makes them "less talented"?
Skip some stuff because the book broke down those studies.
"I could go on, but you get the point. "
Oh please go on as you left a lot out of what is written in the book.
"While I won’t spend too much time on the scientifically incorrect or misleading statements in the Heartland report,"
You won't because in doing so you will have to actually list what they say showing that how much of a fraud the author is.
"This is what happens when you have a fossil fuel-funded political
organization parade a document as a scientific publication. You get
nonsense and non-science. "
They actually cite sources, where is this author's sources?
You have been taken for a fool.
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