Comments by "whyamimrpink78" (@whyamimrpink78) on "Ben Shapiro: Protesting Workers Are As Bad As Price Gougers" video.

  1. Supply of workers is high as well.
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  2. Sounds like someone is salty. I worked in Amazon warehouse. At one point management had to turn off the music because workers were arguing over what type of music to play. Management did the simple solution of turning it off.
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  3. In capitalism they will be replaced, especially with a high unemployment rate now.
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  4.  @vejymonsta3006  these people are alive thus are paid a "living wage"
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  5. This isn't free market. This is a group of people using a rare, and serious issue to their advantage as opposed to doing what the rest of the nation has to do, and that is make sacrifices.
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  6. They make around $15/hr with benefits.
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  7. Sure. Bankrupt the nation
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  8.  @comingviking  the owners risk a lot. Even if the company operates at a loss the workers still get paid. Even considered that? As for QE, that was money to keep banks afloat. It wasn't just pumped into the economy. "Workers would invest in their livelyhood, the Corporation. IF they were running Things. " Would they? Many of the Amazon workers did not even invest in themselves. Many, at most, possess a GED. What makes you think these workers will be able to understand supply chain management, marketing, tax laws, etc. As for the Spain company, you are looking at one case. There are cases where worker coop can work, but that does not mean it will work in every company. For example, In and Out Burger is successful by having a limited menu and limited locations. Does that mean every restaurant should follow suit?
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  9.  @comingviking  the problem with having the workers "vote" on issues of a company has to face, even if it means hiring a CEO, is that you have uneducated people making a very important decision. Also, it will lead to lack of uniformity within a company. You will have hundreds of people taking hours to make a decision.
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  10.  @comingviking  coop can work in some businesses, but not all. Looking at that company they possess of highly educated workers such as engineers. So it can work in that situation. But again, of the workers of Amazon all you need is a GED to work in the warehouse. Do you want those individuals voting on issues in the business? Also consider issues like employee turnover and reliability. As for the market crashing, does it happen every two decades? And that is for several reasons beyond the CEOs. Really, what is it with you guys hating CEOs?
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  11.  @comingviking  also, capping CEO pay does not mean higher wages for workers.
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  12.  @comingviking  how much are those people affected by the decision? How dedicated are these people to their job? I worked at Amazon warehouse, they have a system that may seem chaotic but it is highly organized. They are strict in their ways. For example, if a bar code won't scan you are supposed to take it to trouble shoot and they put a new one on it. I found out that all I could do was type the number in. I got in trouble for it as it was against their protocol. Another example was on the music. They used to play music in the warehouse. They stopped. I asked why and they said that others were complaining about what type of music was being played and was arguing on what type of music should be played. So management did the easy route, got rid of it. Is that how you want the company to operate? Have these workers spending more time arguing what music to listen to as opposed to working? Crashes happen a lot, how we recover is key. All of history has shown that hands off government led to the fastest recovery. Crashes are not always bad as that is a part to growth.
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  13.  @comingviking  pee in the bottle? Really? I heard all these so call horror stories from Amazon, they seem so few and far between. I don't buy them. So you are saying that the workers should dictate their pay? What is going to stop them from just raising their wages to an expensive level? Again, these workers don't understand supply chain management, tax law, marketing, etc. They do not know how a business functions and nor do they care. So why give them a voice? As I said, these were the same workers who argued over what music to play. Recessions happen. Only around three times in this nation, since the 1900, have we seen major recessions. They were the great depression, the hyper inflation during the 70s, and 2008. Each time it was the Federal Reserve that caused those recessions. All throughout history, though, hands off government has led to faster recovery. And what crisis? Things are better than ever.
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  14.  @comingviking  workers with little invested in the company deciding their own pay? What can go wrong with that? Also Bezos is paid $80,000 a year, not billions. His billions are in his shares. Not to be rude but if you are going to have an opinion here understand wealth vs income. Besides Bezos did the investment and took the risk. It is his company. Why shouldn't he decide how much to get paid?
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  15.  @comingviking  democracy is the majority oppressing the minority. The workers out number the managers and executives. They will vote for wages that are so high it will bankrupt the company. That is why companies don't allow it
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  16.  @ugeofaltron5003  besides the last two parts it is true. I did work at Amazon warehouse as a temp at one point for extra cash. Sorry for me actually deciding to work in life at multiple places to get ahead and gain experience. That is why I know so much and you just deflect.
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  17.  @ugeofaltron5003  and I had an NIH grant. If you don't know what a grant is don't comment
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  18.  @Ragitsu  so what is wrong with what I said? You are supporting a guy who said a factually incorrect thing in say Bezos pays himself billions. This is why the far left is losing. You guys are driven on pure emotions and not facts and reasoning
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  19.  @comingviking  and once again it comes back to the issue that the regular worker does not understand what makes a company successful. Someone working as a picker in the warehouse with only a GED will not understand accounting, payroll, tax laws, etc. And people will just end up voting what benefits them as opposed to the company out of greed and ignorance. That is why you need a manager to actually control these things as they are the ones who knows what is going on. Also, if you place complex decision making in the hands of the workers investors won't trust that and they won't invest causing stock prices to drop and thus the company will have to down size. Not to be rude but you do not seem to understand the complexity of managing and running a company. You don't seem to understand how ignorant a lot of people are and how they do not understand the complexity of running a business. An argument against democracy is a 5 minute conversation with the average voter. Fact is people understand very little. You shown it yourself when you said Bezos pays himself billions when in reality he does not even pay himself six figures. You also have another major flaw, you say you will have workers with different jobs. Who decides that? Are people going to just pick what they want to do? I see that as becoming a mess. You see, eventually you need a leader saying "you do this, you do this, now go". What you are pushing for is mass chaos. As for bankrupting now, Amazon seems very successful. I do not see it bankrupting anytime soon. Also, I do not support oppression of any kind. Who is being oppressed in my system?
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  20.  @comingviking  you brought up one that employs engineers and computer programmers, intelligent and skilled workers. You can't compare that Amazon who hires people with GED. I never said worker controlled enterprises cannot work. I am saying they won't work everywhere. Again, you yourself displayed ignorance when you said that Bezos decided to pay himself 100 billion dollars when he does not. He pays himself $80,000 a year. But again, you can't compare a company that hires skilled workers to that of a company that hires unskilled workers. You also can't make broad generalization in that if it works in one company it can surely work in another. Again, as I said earlier, In and Out Burger has success by having limited locations and a limited menu. Should every restaurant follow suit? Should there be no places to serve chicken, pasta, tacos, etc. because of In and Out's success? No, because the market is diverse. So again, I never once said worker coop will not work. I acknowledge it will in some cases, but not all as you claim. Also, who is oppressing people here? I do not see it. Are the executives of Amazon holding guns to people's heads forcing them to work? No. Thus, no one is being oppressed.
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  21.  @comingviking  he has that much wealth, but wealth does not equal income. Most of his wealth are in shares of his company where he is the largest shareholder. He can't just liquidated it as doing so in a frivolous way means his company is not a wise investment as Bezos will just waste funds. Also, him being the largest share holder shows investors that he is willing to stand by his product which is his company. Thus the price goes up of his shares. Him owning those shares increases the value. Compare it to this. Say you were to give a responsible person a home and an irresponsible person the same exact home. In the long run what will you place bets on whose home is better? The responsible one. Same with Bezos owning so many shares. But he can't just liquidated them unless it is in a way that, for the most part, investors improve on. So no, he does not have all this money. And yes, for the most part unskilled workers are not capable of making informed decisions on complex issues. A programmer spent years in schooling learning how to solve problems, thus they can figure out complex issues much more easier than someone who works simply picking items off of a shelf and placing it in a bin. Also, fun note, a lot of CEOs are engineers. Bezos has an engineering degree for example. You used your example and again, I worked in Amazon warehouse. They argued over what type of music to play. That was their concern. That is where you need management to come in and simply say "this is what will be played or nothing at all". You also avoided the point on who will decide what job to do? In Amazon warehouse you have different task, picker, crissplant where you chute, sort, you have the fork lift drivers, etc. Being a fork lift driver requires more safety regulations. They never allowed temps to do that. But what if someone wants to do it? Who will be the one who tells them no? That is where a manager comes in. I don't have a disdain for ordinary people. In fact, my understanding of ordinary people is why I feel the way I do. I understand that these hourly workers do not care. All they care about is working, collecting their check, going home to fuck their spouse and drink beer. They are not like a manager who thinks 4 or 5 steps ahead. As with my conversation with my department chair, hourly workers are not as dedicated as salary workers. I used to think that people were dedicate to their job but found out they aren't. A manager will spend hours, even after work figuring things out. How many of those Amazon employees are willing to take their work home with them? Essentially none. So they should not be making decisions.
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  22.  @comingviking  what I said is true. These people are working these lower skilled jobs because they did not take the time to move up. That is the reality. Not saying that is wrong. As I said, if all they want to do is work, drink beer and fuck then fine. I am different in that I put forth a lot of effort in my work and career. It does come at a cost in that I have far less leisure time. So again, how often do these people actually take the time to look at how the company is doing and go through the complexity of it? Essentially never. It is just a job to them. It is arguable that a lot of industry jobs were loss due to technology. And this comes back to the greed thing. If left up to the workers they will deny implementation of technology knowing it will kill jobs. However, that new technology has increased productivity making goods better and cheaper for......wait for it......ordinary people. Also, to add on greed look at how these Amazon workers are acting. During a time of crisis they are using it to increase their pay. The vast majority of the nation are making sacrifices where they are virtue signaling. And with trade rules, again, studies has shown that most industry jobs were lost in technology. And also, trade is not all bad. As a developed nation we are more serviced base and we should push more people to do that. With that we can have more doctors and nurses caring for people. Or researchers who can develop a cure for this virus.
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  23.  @comingviking  it isn't a race to the bottom. Our nation is developed to the point that we should push people to take on higher skilled jobs. Why should we continue to hold onto these low skilled jobs? Is everyone poor? They aren't most are well off. On the idea of college the idea of a student loan guaranteed by the government led to higher tuition. And for people not affording an emergency, what are their benefits? What access to loans do they have to? You are ignoring a plethora of variables. Most can afford and education, they refuse to pursue it. I was raised in a poor family, I am right now pursuing my PhD.
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  24.  @ugeofaltron5003  you are deflecting again. Considering how you don't even know how the NIH works and how grants work is enough to dismiss you.
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  25.  @Flash9230  you pick a handful of horror stories out of the thousands that work there over thousands of hours. You can do that with any company. What I see are a few people bitching. I worked for Amazon warehouse and I never seen that. But you dig and dig until you finally find something. Fact is that if they don't like working there work to get another job. I work with Class 4 lasers that can burn your skin and blind you. I do not complain.
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  26.  @comingviking  there are many high paying jobs out there waiting to be filled. Problem is that people do not want to fill them. I work in research for a living. We have a ton of research to be done but very few are willing to do it. Funny you bring up rare earth metals. China has cornered the market on the f-elements because of their lax environmental laws. It takes around 10 years to open a mine in the US. Therefore, our government regulations have made it so we do not mine up as much f-elements as China. Thanks for bringing that up on how government created a problem.
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  27. Why doesn't Kyle take on Actual Justice Warrior or Stephen Michael Davis? They dismantle Kyle's arguments really well.
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  28.  @da_schnitzel  to Kyle Amazon is an "evil" corporations ran by an "evil" rich dude. Thus he attacks them. But Shapiro is right, if everyone working demanded double pay our society will fall apart. Reality is that these are weird and tough times. Everyone has to do their part. I, myself, am having to handle taking online classes via zoom and coordinate two group presentations for later this semester. I also have to coordinate my own online class I am teaching so my students gain something. The sad part is that some people are using this situation for their own personal gain. Right now Amazon workers are a part of that group. It isn't productive.
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  29. True.
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  30. Because he has a law degree and started his own business
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  31.  Dave Ponsford  this is a rare, temporary situation with a clear problem.
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  32.  @brasscupholder6233  training to work hard at Amazon is not difficult.
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  33.  @jacob18310  no he can't. His wealth is not liquidated assets
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  34.  @vejymonsta3006  "If you can't run a business and pay people a living wage, then you simply should not be running a business period." Here is a concept, if you cannot justify a "living wage" you don't deserve the live, period. See how easy it is to make asinine statements? A business exist because there is a demand for their goods/services in the market. The workers are paid based on what the market values them at. A reason why fast food workers are paid so little is because people are not willing to pay $20 for chicken nuggets.
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  35.  @jacob18310  Amazon always paid over $7.25/hr. When they raised up to $15/hr they were essentially paying around $12/hr.
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  36.  @jacob18310  nope, they are alive, thus the wage they are earning is enough. Also, you are paid the market rate. You are not paid some arbitrary wage that some random guy sets.
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  37.  @jacob18310  if you want to go with "living wage" then sure. And yes, your wage is a reflection of your market rate. It goes beyond labor. You also have experience, supply and demand of the workforce, if you are part time vs full time, etc. As for a wage not fluctuating, that is true. In running a company if the company operates at a loss the employee still gets paid. And yes, wages for the most part are not arbitrary. However, many on the left treat it as such by electing someone to sit in office and say "you earn X dollars and hour" on arbitrary reasons. And again with a living wage, you are showing the flaws in that argument. By "living" yes it means you are breathing. Now you are moving the goal posts. You can't provide actual details to what a living wage is.
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  38.  @jacob18310  you say "cost of living", that varies. Someone's cost of living can vary greatly compared to another person's in the same area. For example, I walk to work, thus I spend less on gas. I have coworkers that drive to work thus they immediately have a higher cost of living. Also, what about other factors such as household income? And a major flaw of any min. wage is that it is how much one earns per hour, not per week. So overall the phrase "living wage" means nothing as there are way too many variables involved. You can't just say "cost of living" as that is very difficult to impossible to determine. And yes, child laborers are, by definition, earning a living wage.
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  39.  @jacob18310  thus, since my "cost of living" is lower than my coworkers, should I earn less than them?
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  40.  @jacob18310  a living wage at that point is arbitrary. What is cost of living? Does it includes roommates? What is the standard?
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  41. And the company goes bankrupt. Congrats.
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  42.  @tylerbailey9329  if they knew how to run a business they will not be bagging groceries.
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  43.  @chrismullaney8369  I do. What these people are doing is taking advantage of a crisis for their own good. In a free market they will lose their jobs as the supply of workers is high.
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  44.  C W  Trump doesn't take his presidential money. And you can't just sell your properties without demand.
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  45.  @apollodionysus2194  slave wages? Really? Slaves were forced to work.
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  46.  @IwillHeadbuttWhenLosing  and if you don't show up for a job and supply of workers is high they can be replaced. Free market.
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  47.  @apollodionysus2194  donate property is not that easy.
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  48.  @chrismullaney8369  sure, and right now supply of workers is very high. Thus price of labor is down.
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  49.  @IwillHeadbuttWhenLosing  right now masks are rare. Also, are masked needed? As for the demand, there are millions of people who are unemployed.
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  50.  @apollodionysus2194  slaves were treated as property. As for working or starving on the streets, that is essentially everyone. Welcome to life.
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  51. Who, Kyle? I agree. He feels that a bunch of uneducated, uncommitted workers should be in charge of a corporation. What could go wrong?
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  52.  @Jellygamer0  no. I never called into a show
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  53.  @MsScarletwings  you mean nations with a flat tax and lower corporate taxes?
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  54. Or he will get a law degree and start a business
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  55. Just like how Amazon would not last long if the workers ran it.
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  56. Instead he got a law degree and started a business
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  57. Or do what he did, get a law degree and start his own business.
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  58. Exactly, everyone is suffering or struggling in one way or another. Even when you are not on the 'front lines" like you are others struggle as well. I teach a chemistry lab and we had to switch to everything online which makes things difficult for the students and is actually more work for the instructor. We are just playing it by ear anymore. Or with the classes I am taking, I have two group projects that we now have to work on remotely and still present to the class via zoom. We all need to do our part. I am fortunate enough to be in a situation I can stay home completely if needed (such that if I do become ill).
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  59. Many CEOs are actually sacrificing their company to solve this pandemic.
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  60.  @eddieperez7132  My Pillow's CEO is changing his company to make masks.
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  61. Are their lives in danger?
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  62.  C W  and supply and demand. There is a large supply of workers out there now.
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  63.  @joemoe974  how are the workers' labor being stolen? They volunteer to work there. They don't have to. They can work somewhere else. Amazon revenue comes from people buying their products. If it weren't for Bezos the people working for him won't have a job. If they can't get a new job that is on them. That isn't Bezos' fault.
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  64.  @joemoe974  you labor is not inherently worth anything. In reality it is worth nothing until an employer hires you. If you don''t like how much you are getting paid than find a new job. You are making it sound like that one's labor has some already determined value when it doesn't. It is only worth as much as an employer is willing to pay. No different than when you buy an item from the store, you felt like it is worth however much you spent on it. There is one difference, though. If the employer operates at a loss for a week it will still have to pay the employee. As far as saying "one for you 10 for me", it is much more complex than that. Many companies operate at thin profit margins. For example, fast food joints operate around 5% profit margins or less. As for min. wage law, you are enforcing how much is paid per hour, not per week. If you raise the min. wage and a company cuts hours, what was accomplished? Also, Amazon already pays well above the min. wage. As for the employee giving the owner labor, yes, at a cost call a wage. Again, your labor is not inherently worth something until someone values it.
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