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Comments by "whyamimrpink78" (@whyamimrpink78) on "Germany Makes College Free For All" video.
Germany makes college free for all and everyone has to pay for with lesser quality of education and colleges. The US has the best university system in the world and it is pulling away. With that a college education isn't that hard to obtain. We have cheap colleges, almost everyone is approved for a loan and if you graduate college and don't get a well paying job afterwards than maybe you should have graduated with something other than an art degree. The problem with this "free" stuff is that you can't consume what you don't produce. Like how colleges are inferior in countries where they are free compared to the US and healthcare is as well. Citizens pay with longer wait times and lesser quality of care. If you make healthcare "free" in the US it will destroy it quality wise. We don't have enough doctors or hospitals. The only option would be to ration it like they do in Canada and the UK. Price control will happen as well but that will lead to less research and innovation in new drugs and cures. Capital just doesn't appear out of nowhere.
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Adam Warlock The complaints about wait times are waiting for months, not wait times in the hospitals. The US is number 1 in responsive care. You don't have to wait months for specialized care as in surgery or an MRI. In other countries you do and there have been times that some people have died waiting. You have this story for example http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2486789/Natasha-16-complained-headaches-She-died-13-doctors-failed-diagnose-brain-tumour.html In the UK you have women giving birth in the bathroom due to lack of hospital beds. When it comes to quality the US is number one in healthcare. The US is also leading the way in healthcare research and development. The problem with healthcare is cost, but remember you get what you pay for.
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Adam Warlock I heard the criticisms of the Daily Mail. Even with the criticism the stories exist and I never hear any liberal source reporting on them. All I hear is how great the UK and socialized system is. There are pros and cons of both systems. A colleague of mine who is from Canada explained to me the problems of socialized healthcare. He said it is great for basic care if you need a basic checkup and in some cases if you are a pregnant woman because any doctor and care for that. Also those types of care are not immediate. But for specialized care as in surgery or an MRI you won't get it or will have to wait months to get it. He needed knee surgery and when he got it in the US he told me how much it will cost. I made the comment it would have been free in Canada. He told me straight up he couldn't get it in Canada. Also his cousin couldn't get heart surgery in Canada and his family transported him to the US to get it. In the US there are short wait times. I waited a few days for my MRI. My uncle waited a week for his shoulder surgery and was back to work soon. The biggest issue in the US is that socialized healthcare won't work. We have an entitled society that will take advantage of it. I like the system that rewards success to where when you put yourself in a position to have something of high quality you get it. You also have to remember that the US is leading the way in healthcare research and development. Getting the same quality of healthcare year in and year out isn't progressive.
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Stanley Steamer The US university system is great and one of the reason why is because we do allow access to so many people. In the US there are a lot of resources for all college students and when it comes to obtaining an advanced degree it is challenging. We could raise standards and leave a lot of people out but one, that is pretty fascists (in Germany they pretty much say who is college bound and who isn't) and doesn't allow for some diamond in the ruff to pull through, and two allowing so many students to join creates a challenge and promotes diversity. You really have to consider the fact that a university isn't really a place of education but a business. You start out at college taking courses but you end, especially in grad. school working. The university is concerned about research and work. There are a lot of work programs on campus and internships available for students where they get hand on experience. I don't know where you get that the US is ranked 69th in healthcare, and also where do you get that 93% of Americans are poor? That is a stretch and honestly you are making that up.
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***** In the US studying in the medical field is hard. I am looking to doing pharmacy school and it isn't easy. a 3.5 GPA won't work. For med. school you basically need a 4.00 GPA. In the US you can study other courses but in the US when someone completes an education in college they should gain two things. One is that they can prove to people they can set a goal and complete it and move up in a situation. That shows employers that if they hire this person they can improve. And two, connections. You meet people you will use for reference to get a job. The farther you get into college the more it is like that. In grad. school grades are not important compared to connections.
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Stanley Steamer In Germany there are a group of students who are not pushed to attend college. Germany does separate students during there teen years into groups based on abilities which is, in a lot of ways fascist in that their options become limited. What is wrong with accepting people to college? Based on Germany's standards I would have never been accepted but I was in the US and now I am pursuing my PhD. It is opportunity that the US offers. Just because a society has a lot of individuals who are college educated doesn't mean success. One can not have a college education and be very successful, others may have a college education and may not be successful. You have to look at that in Germany they do separate students during there teen years into groups. We don't do that in the US, we push everyone through the same curriculum until about the age of 16 (unless you are extraordinary talented than you can do college courses during high school years). There are individuals who go into college not "prepared" but they are given the opportunity. What is better, being given the opportunity or not? There is nothing wrong with debt if you can pay it off. People usually always have get debt at some point either in a car or a home or in college. We have affordable colleges for those to attend to limit debt. And debt can be paid off quickly I done right. Plus 93% of people have debt. Looking at the top executives in the world out of the top 20 only 5 were European and none were from Germany. You have to go down to number 34 for that and only 1 European is in the top 10. http://hbr.org/web/2010/01/100ceos/20-mackay Granted that list is a few years old with Steve Jobs still being on it but I doubt it changed much in the past few years. Germany does do a lot of successful things but it is hard press to say they are better than the US.
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Lesser quality of education. The US has the best system for a reason.
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João Marques Where is the money going to come from? The government won't have enough money to meet the massive amount of new consumers in the market so they will have to lower the quality of the product in order to make it affordable. That means lesser quality of faculty.
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João Marques And Europe is protected and trained by the US military. You also have to consider that funding for the military is constitutional and an actual investment. And most European countries have a larger debt per capita than the US. Paying for more art students or business majors doesn't help.
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Trampadoo Germany has a larger debt per capita than the US, it isn't just from more taxes and revenue. The US has a way better system than Germany. There is a reason why we have immigrants come to the US to get an education here. The point on demand is that there are a majority of people who don't go to college. If you make it "free" than more people will go increasing the need for professors and classrooms. We are already too short as is in that we don't have enough professors and facilities right now.
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João Marques Germany has a higher debt per capita compared to the US. Germany also has a different education system to where in your teenage years you are separated in terms of skills. Some people continue education while others work. Even though Germany is offering a "free" college education not everyone has access to it like they do in the US.
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Trampadoo There are a lot of poor individuals who attend college and do play sports. There are a plethora of cheap universities in the US. The mindset that you have to be rich or an athlete to attend college is false. I was far from rich and I am in graduate school now.
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Trampadoo I have a student loan but I will pay it off quickly. That is what happens when you have a skill and a degree that is actually worth something. For example in KU pharmacy students graduate with an average debt of $102,000 but start our with a median income of $130,000/yr. They are able to get the loan paid off quickly. My university if high quality. It isn't the best but there are worse out there.
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Trampadoo Or how about a degree that will actually earn you something. The US leads the world in pharmaceutical drug research.
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