Comments by "whyamimrpink78" (@whyamimrpink78) on "LA Hospitals Rejecting Patients Due To Covid Surge" video.

@thalesnemo2841 the problem is that the government is having us fight ourselves. It has divided us. On Wednesday's event at the capital the horrible part is that the average American was hurt as in the cops, security, and the protestors. It should be the politicians and members of the media we should be fighting, not each other.
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Only a fraction of people have access to healthcare in Canada as well. They have waiting times and rationing of care. Just calling healthcare a human right does not mean it magically appears.
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@antoniap3290 and neither are people in the US. Again, the ER cannot deny you care. When I went to the ER I received care and then paid, same on when I went to detox and also when I see my psychiatrist. If I can't pay I just declare bankruptcy where all that will happen is my credit score goes down. But the idea people are dying because they cannot pay for care is not true.
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@antoniap3290 "But no one in Canada dies from not being able to access health care b/c of financial reasons and something like 45,000 each year do in the States." That is not true as amenable mortality is an issue every nation faces. Next, you say 45,000 in the US die because of lack of access to healthcare. The problem with that stat is that 45,000 is minute compared to the overall size of the US making it hard to get accurate numbers in situation like that.
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@antoniap3290 I know that. And that is part of my point. Even if a universal healthcare system is created does not mean resources magically appear.
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@IV01 I feel if your grandpa is 90 years old you should be seeing them anyway regardless of covid. Chances are he would be dead here soon anyway. See him while you can. You can hide him but if he dies anyways what have you accomplished?
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They actually learned a lot. They know they can divide us to where they grow in power.
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@antoniap3290 healthcare is not a human right. Even if you were to define it as such it still does not magically make it appear. Resources will still be limited.
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@GirtonOramsay 45,000 is not that large considering the US has over 320 million. Other studies were done ranging from basically zero dying due to lack of access up to around 60,000. With such small numbers you can't say for sure how they died. Was it due to lack of access or due to being in bad health to begin with?
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@HaleyMary healthcare is not a human right.
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@HaleyMary it is not a human right. Even if you were to define it as such resources will not magically appear out of nowhere. In fact, it will lead to more rationing. Also, in the US if you define it as a right doctors and nurses have to serve people or become arrested. Also, no one is turned away in the US if they need care. At the ER they give you care first and bill you later. In fact, that is one reason healthcare is so expensive in the US, many receive care and do not pay. When I went to the ER I was given care and then charged. Same when I went into detox.
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@HaleyMary resources such as medical supply, doctors, nurses, beds, etc. Doesn't matter how much money you throw at it, resources do not magically appear out of nowhere.
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@antoniap3290 food and clean water are not human rights either.
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@HaleyMary again, spending more money does not mean resources magically appear. Also, compare our defense spending to spending on the VA, Medicare and Medicaid.
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@antoniap3290 yes, in Canada you do ration care. People have died waiting for "elective" heart and brain surgery in Canada.
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@janetpelletier1238 there are arguments for and against universal healthcare. I see the arguments for it, especially in dealing with it lately as I had to go to detox, twice, and the ER as I had a blood pressure of 193/133 prior to detox as I try to end my alcoholism that spiked due to the lock downs. There was annoyance such as sitting in the ER room someone came in asking about insurance. Same with the detox center, they eventually pull you aside and discuss payments. Removing that will help some. However, universal healthcare struggles in advanced care. In the US we offer more advanced care and have higher survival rates with advanced illnesses. But it comes at a cost. There is no ideal system, every system has their pros and cons. I personally feel the major problem with the US system is that insurance is attached to the employer making healthcare insurance a form of payment to the individual thus insurance ends up covering all healthcare related situations as opposed to emergency situations. But that is just my opinion.
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@antoniap3290 sure, but at what cost? Again, the US offers the most advanced care and has the highest survival rates of advanced illnesses. On can argue that is probably not a good route, but it is something to consider.
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@tomatodamashi define "need". To me heart surgery can be necessary but Canada lists certain forms of heart surgery as elective where people died waiting. Or a knee surgery even is necessary for me. You get treatment in the ER room quickly in the US as well. What's your point? Also, I agree that the employer based healthcare insurance is an issue, but a lot of that is because of government. Also, going to a universal healthcare system is not the only route to consider. I suggest finding a way to get rid of the employer based healthcare insurance system and head more towards a free market system where healthcare insurance is insurance. Also the notion of people dying in the US due to lack of care is not true. Again, the ER has to serve you. Same with rehabilitation centers. And a lot of people who go bankrupt had outstanding loans to begin with.
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@LiilFliipRecords on your grandma, I recommend you visit here anyways. Why? Covid or not chances are growing exponentially she will die soon. Many elderly are complaining that they rather die from covid than being alone.
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@Visitormassacre true. They also learned that they can shut down businesses but then enjoy doing what they like to do without us peasants.
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Man, this sounds like rationing to me. And how will M4A solve this?
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@thebigpicture2032 define a "fair and just" society. Forcing healthcare providers to give up their services or face prison time is not fair and just.
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@HaleyMary how is my healthcare awful?
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@ag7367 I read that article. To start, they admitted that the US leads the world in cancer survival rate, but do not use that for their ranking. Next, one determination as amenable mortality where the paper entitled "Amenable mortality as an indicator of healthcare quality - a literature review" Where they say "No study has explicitly used a healthcare activity or quality variable in their analyses. This implies that the evidence that amenable mortality is an indicator of healthcare quality is far from overwhelming or clear."
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The hoax is that it is not that dangerous. Hospitals are full all the time. Remember, we have a for profit system where if you have empty beds you are losing money. Even in my city we have three and when I went to the ER one of them was full and I had to go elsewhere. Just a couple days ago was the first time since April that the recovery rate of known cases dropped, it dropped 0.01%. This is considered a hoax because it is not that dangerous of a virus. It is being abused by politicians to gain power.
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@maximilian3394 so one incident and you claim Trump supporters are dangerous? How many have died because of BLM and antifa?
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