Comments by "whyamimrpink78" (@whyamimrpink78) on "Fox Business Segment Defecátes All Over Scientific Research" video.
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By the time....,
Potholer54 has an undergrad degree geology. "Climate change" is a very broad field covering all sciences including physics. Dr. Patrick Moore has a degree in ecology that is also related to climate change. Richard Lindzen is an atmospheric physics, that is related to climate change as well. He did a video for PragerU.
As for presenting data. Anyone can present data. But that is only the beginning. Look at Bloom's Taxonomy. If you studied that you would learn that at the very you have "knowledge". That is learning about the data. In Kindergarten that is learning sight words. In science, my field, that can be learning the atom and the parts of it. As you move up in Bloom's Taxonomy you learn how to "synthesize" and "evaluate". The progress in words is sight words, than understanding what the words mean, then forming sentences, then essays, books, arguments, etc. In science you learn the atom, then the parts of it, then the functions, then you learn about the quantum properties of it and and then doing research with them.
Just presenting data is at around level 2 of Bloom's Taxonomy, that is comprehension. As you move up in Bloom's Taxonomy you need more experience. If not you end up applying that knowledge incorrectly and presenting false ideas and opinions. So yes, a science degree is important here.
On Moore's point, Moore was saying climate changed with no influence of humans in the past. Potholer54 said it is true that climate has changed in the past, but it was due to CO2. I have no clue why potholer54 brought up CO2. Moore said nothing about CO2, potholer54 did. So potholer54 does not debunk Moore, he actually ends up supporting Moore that the climate has changed in the past without the influence of humans.
When Moore said there are other factors at play besides CO2, he is correct. There are many factors at play. Moore does not say CO2 does not play a role, many factors play a role along with CO2. Looking at just CO2 and temperature is simply seeing a correlation where one thing you learn in science is that correlation does not equal causation. Just like when it rains worms show up. It does not mean that it rains worms.
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So in the end what potholer54 says is irrelevant compared to Dr. Patrick Moore as neither of them has done the research. Would you agree? I would admit I do not do research in climate change directly. I base my opinion the fact that we know very little in science. I am currently writing a paper where we are looking a molecule with only 11 atoms. That's it. We are pushing it in a journal with an impact factor of 8. You think with only 11 atoms we would know a lot about it, but we don't. The same is with climate change. We know very little about it. So when I hear Dr. Moore's opinion on it I see it as him talking as a scientist who understands we know very little about the topic, and there is a lot at play, thus we do not know. Same with Dr. Lindzen.
But if you want to go down the route of they have not done research in climate change, than you need to hold the same standard to potholer54. So what both of them say is irrelevant.
People can present data in numerous ways. That is the issue. Potholer54 is not doing any favors by presenting a few papers and only a few set of data points on this complex issue. Also, you say he has a degree. Dr. Moore and Dr. Lindzen do as well. Why are you holding them to different standards? I have a physics and chemistry degree, so I can understand literature in science as well. I have different opinions based on my background in physics and my current research. Why do you dismiss me or hold me to a different standard?
Many factors are at play besides CO2. The sun, increases in population, level of moisture, a species destroying vegetation over time, etc. There are other factors. The CO2 to temperature correlation is important, but is only one factor. Also, is it even bad? That is another point. The ecosystem has evolved for millions of years.
This is the part where I get annoyed with the ultra left about. They rip on others for not supporting evolution (supposedly), but when it comes to climate change they all of a sudden ignore evolution themselves. Even if CO2 is the main driving force in climate change, and man is the driving force. Why won't they ecosystem system?
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By the time....,
potholer54 presents data, and that is where he needs to stop. In his video about Moore Dr. Moore made the claim that climate was changing before man had an influence on it. Potholer54 then presents data and relating it to CO2. That is irrelevant to what Moore is saying as Moore never mentioned CO2. Also, if potholer54 is going to present data, he needs to encourage people to look deeper. He hardly does that. He shows a correlation between CO2 and temperature and goes from there. His audience then follows him blindly without thinking about what papers he is sourcing, the methods behind the studies, the actual conclusion, and any other studies related to it. As a whole potholer54 is hardly scratching the surface of this complex issue which is a disservice to the field.
It isn't a false equivocation. My research helps understanding chemical reactions, and molecular dynamics in different environment, that includes temperature. This leads to one of my points of how we do not know if climate change is a threat. We hardly understand how chemical reactions work. We hardly understand how biological materials move in different conditions. We do not know what will happen in the ecosystem during current climate change. I am writing a paper on a molecule with 11 atoms. We are not even close to do this kind of work on a much larger system.
In comparison, I read a paper on a 6 residue peptide. Do you know how many residues are in a peptide? A lot more than 6. Right now we are still trying to understand how one with 6 residues act in different environments.
My point is that we know very little in science. So for potholer54 to make strong claims is doing science a disservice. The same is with man made climate change. The climate has been changing for over 4 billion years. How much is man playing a role in it? We do not know. Yes, man is playing a role, but we have no control to compare to.
As for papers who "disagrees with him". That is not how science works. It isn't one person says one thing and another person disagrees. In science we leave a lot of ideas open. We present data, give an explanation, but hardly give strong certainty. The reason why is because the science is not settled.
potholer54 is presenting data as if the science is settled. I cannot present a paper that disagrees with him for two reasons
1. The data is the data and that cannot be disputed
2. What the data means is up for interpretation, but the conclusion is not certain. potholer54 presents it as if it is. I am saying that is not how science works. I cannot prove a negative.
Compare it to this. potholer54 is saying big foot is real. I say I have doubt. potholer54 presents blurry pictures and a footprint for his evidence and has strong certainty. I say that is not enough evidence so I have doubt. potholer54 asks for my evidence for my doubt. I cannot do that as my reasoning is lack of evidence.
In connection to climate change, my reasoning for my stance is lack of evidence, as in a control. Also, it is based on my experience that science is very dynamic and we know very little.
You are holding people to different standards. You are supporting potholer54 while dismissing the professors who created PragerU videos.
Yes, the sun's intensity does fluctuate. It is one of many factors that contribute to climate change. I am not saying it is just the sun. I am not saying CO2 does not play a role. It is many parts playing a role. Higher population means entropy increases at a higher rate. It means more movement thus greater generation of thermal energy, that can mean higher temperature. The world's population has gone up around 5 times since 1900. There is a correlation between earth population and temperature anomaly. I haven't overlapped the graphs but they seem to be going up exponentially starting at 1900. Species destroying vegetation means increase levels of CO2 or different moisture level.
There are many things at play. I am not denying man's contribution. I am just saying there is no quantitative number you can give to say how much man is playing a role. I am also saying that current climate change could be fine and not a threat.
I support looking into the issue, I just get irritated and people like potholer54 doing more harm than good and people blindly following him.
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