Comments by "whyamimrpink78" (@whyamimrpink78) on "Mass Incarceration Costs Over $1 Trillion, Study Finds" video.

  1. Comparing this to universal healthcare and education is flawed. We lack teachers, doctors and all around resources and staff in those areas. Throwing more money at it isn't going to make it so there is more supply. It isn't about affording it, it is about providing it.
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  2. It isn't about affording it. It is about the fact that getting a doctorate to become a professor, doctor or researcher is a lot of work. Very few people are willing to put in the work. As is we lack professors, doctors, TAs, tutors etc. Just throwing more money at it isn't going to all of a sudden motivate people to get a doctorate when in reality the profession already pays pretty well to begin with. What is boils down to is people are lazy.
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  3. Only $600 billion is spent on the military. I say only because that is around 4% of the GDP. The US spends more on education already. Healthcare spending is close to 20% of the GDP.
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  4. "More than the next ten militant nations combined is spent on the US military" Because we have a large economy. We spend more money on education than a lot of countries combine because we have such a large economy. That is why you have to put it in the correct perspective. In terms of percent GDP the US is not number one in the world. There are several other countries above us. We spend less than 4% of our GDP in defense. So what you just said is highly deceptive and really means nothing. "at the cost of the Education and Health of American children." I don't condone spending more on defense. But to think we need the government to "educate" our children is a scary thought. We spend a lot, comparatively, on education as is as well. We spend more, in terms of percent of GDP, than Canada and South Korea. On healthcare, other countries have problems on healthcare as is. I will link you to a book for you to read about that.
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  5. https://www.aei.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/-the-business-of-health_110115929760.pdf Read that book about healthcare
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  6. "If the US has such a large economy, then why can't it afford Education and Health costs that every other first worlder can, with better results? " I suggest you read that book I linked you. Other countries have just as many problems as the US. They don't have better results. For example, if you remove murders and car accidents, things not strongly connected to healthcare, the US is number one in the world in life expectancy.
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  7. I gave you a book written by two professors with several citations from peer reviewed journals. Also, on KS, they are above average in terms of GDP growth in the US. They are fine.
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  8. You keeping bringing up the cost for one medication. Healthcare is far more complicated than that.
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  9. Sha Dow I gave you a whole book to read on the topic.  I suggest you read it.
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  10. Sha Dow So a book, written by two professors, that cite peer reviewed articles are false?  You want more money for education.  Meanwhile these are two professors who will be teaching kids who you want to pay for their education.  And you claim they are false?  That makes no sense based off of your logic.
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  11. Sha Dow Yes, my two professors are bought off fools for using peer reviewed citations.
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  12. Sha Dow Peer reviewed citations.  I suggest you read the book.  As of now you haven't provided much in terms of "facts".
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  13. Sha Dow You clearly don't know what "peer reviewed" means.  Peer reviewed means someone writes a manuscript that gets reviewed by peers that are expert in that field.  They either accept or reject the manuscript and suggest edits if needed.  You did not give me peer reviewed sources. 
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  14. Sha Dow Again, you don't know what "peer reviewed" means.
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  15. Sha Dow Because the US has much higher quality.  Read that book.  They cover that as well. 
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  16. Sha Dow Again with your one example.  You do know that healthcare is rationed in other countries?  So they limit how much you can get which is just the same as raising the price. That is why I am telling you to read the book.  You have many holes in your knowledge.
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  17. Sha Dow Yes, they are rationed.  That is because the government is picking up the tab.  They set the price and the amount that will be distributed. As I said, read the book.  You are so fixated on price when you clearly don't understand the entire issue.  They address the price issue and even admit the price is lower.  But they give all the details and not just the price as you are doing. 
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  18. Sha Dow So if you want lower prices than fine.  Just be aware that it will be rationed.  Just like college education in other countries.  Sure they pay for it, but they prevent certain people from attending by law.  So not everyone is able to attend just like not everyone can get the medication they need.
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  19. That has been my experience with the US system. So what's you point?
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  20. Sha Dow That is anecdotal evidence. As I said, read the book. But if you want more anecdotal evidence I know friends who had terrible experience with single payer.  They were denied heart surgery and medication.
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  21. Sha Dow The sources are from peer reviewed journals. That is far form "dubious".  I am sorry you lack understanding of academic research.
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  22. Sha Dow   So I guess all the editors of those journals are "bought off" as well. You clearly don't know what goes into a peer reviewed journal. Also, that 97% stat is highly misleading and pretty much frivolous.
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  23. Sha Dow With my insurance I don't pay much at all.  Also, I don't have wait times or worry about rationing.  My colleague from Canada had to come to the US to get knee surgery. 
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  24. Sha Dow Well it comes down to this.  I actually know what peer reviewed sources are which I should because I have three scientific research papers published in peer reviewed journals as is.  You clearly don't.  So it is clear I am far more intelligent than you on this topic.  I can only lead  a horse to water, I can't get it to drink.
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  25. Sha Dow "I actually know how to look up the costs of medications around the globe" And that is only one part of the issue.  "and have traveled to the places you were told have long wait times and rationing and neither saw nor experienced that at all" And your one experience does not account for the norm.  I experience great healthcare in the US.  So by your standards the US is great. "So it's clear that your book knowledge is grossly uninformed and faulty." So I guess professional that do research in that field for a living can easily be debunked by some one on the internet that doesn't even know what a peer reviewed journal.  
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  26. Sha Dow As I said, read the book.  Or take your knowledge to grad. school and work on your PhD thesis based on how you feel about this topic. 
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  27. Sha Dow As I said, do actual research on the topic.  Get out of your bubble. Learn the difference between stories and reality.
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  28. Sha Dow Anecdotal evidence is not sufficient.  There is a huge difference between multiple researchers and experts in their field releasing information and one guy's experience.  If we went off of your standards the internet and computers would not exist. Like I said, you clearly have no idea how peer review journals work.  That is why you are clearly ignorant on the topic and refuse to read a book on something that goes against your belief. 
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  29. Sha Dow The long wait times and rationing comes from research.  You are the type of person who would see worms on the ground after it rained and said "it must rains worms".  I am the type of person who will trust someone who did research to show what actually happens.  So tell me, why do you think it rains worms?
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  30. Sha Dow So reading is pointless?  Why did you link me to cites to read?  I guess I should also burn all of my textbooks as well.  Why read them?  According to you they are clearly made up.  Which book should I burn first?  My quantum book by Cohen-Tannoudji?  I mean, why believe that? I told you about the price thing.  It is rationed in other countries.  But I guess I should believe you and not researchers who are experts in their fields who have publications that are peer reviewed by other experts in their field. 
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  31. Sha Dow The idea of peer reviewed journals is to eliminate false information from be published.  That book cites peer reviewed journals that obtain facts.  Your anecdotal evidence is meaningless at that point.  That is like saying germs don't exist because you can't see them with the naked eye. And no, fracking has not been shown to poison ground water.  But let me guess, you went to a fracking site yourself and tested the water yourself as well.
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  32. Sha Dow Peer review journals are funded essentially by subscriptions, most that come from universities and other academic sources.  So I  guess universities are a part of the conspiracy.  I guess I should also drop out of college as well because they are brainwashing me.
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  33. Sha Dow Honestly, you sound like Alex Jones right now.
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  34. Sha Dow So you are saying that I should not believe all of my physics and chemistry text books (that are also peer reviewed) and only believe it if I do all the experiments first hand?  That is exactly what you are saying. Don't believe something unless you experience it first hand.  That despite experts in the field having a process that eliminates bias and bad data.  You are brainwash.  It isn't believing anything I am told, it is about understanding what is a legit source and what isn't.  You yourself believe that fracking poisons water. How do you know?  Do you personally test it yourself?  You even cited the 97% figure with climate change. Have you done your own research in climate change?
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  35. Sha Dow To start, nothing is science is proven.  Next, you said that no one should believe anything they read, that they should have to experience it themselves. So should I have to do the Millikan oil drop experiment to find out the charge of an electron?  I never have.  I guess I better get started. I just can't believe any of my textbooks anymore. I see that you have linked something for me to read. Why should I believe it?  Based on your standards I should have to go there to witness it myself?  Have you witnessed it?  You are contradicting yourself now. 
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  36. Sha Dow So by your standards unless you literally see fracking causing damage than you can't say if it is happening. 
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  37. Sha Dow I do look at facts.  Looking at sources that have done a lot of research is looking at the facts.  You are one person and one experience. That book cites peer reviewed journals that have looked at several incidents several times.  Compare it to this, say you only meet three engineers and 2 of them are women.  By your experience around 67% of engineers are women.  But in reality there are far more men who are engineers then women. That is based off of fact.  "but you think that making your friends and family members pay way more for the exact same medical treatments is awesome since you want to pay more." And you like the fact that people have to wait longer and there is rationing of healthcare.  That along with worse results in several cases.  But I guess you few experiences trumps the data from several sources.  I mean, how can you argue against that?  I am telling you, you really need to go after your PhD.  I mean, you have an amazing argument.  I am sure you can debunk Robert Oshfeldt and John Schneider.  Heck, you may even get them to turn back their PhD credentials. 
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  38. Sha Dow And you are contradicting yourself again.  Why should I read and trust your sources when 1. you refuse to read mine 2. you literally said reading is pointless You don't think that book acknowledges the same source you just gave me in some way? I guess I can play your game.  That source you just gave me is clearly written by someone who is bought out.  I mean, it is all a conspiracy.  That is the exact same game you just played with me.  It shows how "intelligent" you are. You literally just contradicted yourself.
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  39. Sha Dow Also, you do know that Scientific American is not a peer reviewed source.   While it is respected in many ways, it is not peer reviewed and is not cited in peer reviewed journals.  But considering how you don't know what a peer reviewed source I am not surprised.
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  40. Sha Dow In fact here is a peer reviewed source on fracking.  I was going to give it to you earlier but I didn't have time.  http://www.pnas.org/content/108/20/8172.abstract It says "We found no evidence for contamination of drinking-water samples with deep saline brines or fracturing fluids" With healthcare, just read the book.
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  41. Sha Dow And there we do, back to the "you need to experience it" argument.  You clearly never read the book because you clearly did not see the conclusion they made.  And now you are citing the Huffington Post.  Congrats man, you surely are a PhD worthy individual.  Tell me why you are not pursuing one?
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  42. Sha Dow No, you didn't read the book or you would have saw the conclusion that they made.  Also, it just wasn't George Bush's intelligence.  And again, you clearly don't know what peer reviewed means.  But the Huffington Post is clearly a reliable source. Maybe I should cite that in my next paper I write and my PhD defense.
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  43. Sha Dow What was their conclusion?
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  44. Sha Dow And once again you are failing to see the multiple issues dealing with healthcare.  I don't pay more for medications because my insurance picks it up, like most people in the country have happen.  In other countries they have longer wait times and rationing.  You are jumping up and down saying "medication cost more" when people don't even see the cost due to insurance picking up the tab.  Again, if you read that book you will know.  But clearly you did not read it since you can't even tell me what conclusion they made regarding healthcare in the US and other countries. You are fixated on one simple variable of a complex issue. 
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  45. Sha Dow Actually no, my insurance would not deny me of anything.  I read my contract.  "The costs of the same medications would be lower, but the US believes in for-profit monopolies." With lower quality.  Also, what is the conclusion of that book?
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  46. Sha Dow I have answered all of you questions.  Also, the commonwealthfund source is frivolous and is addressed by Robert Oshfeldt as well "Prof. Ohsfeldt acknowledges that regression was chosen for its relative simplicity for what he called his “little book project.” And he agrees that some deaths that his book attempted to remove from the life-expectancy tables might be dependent on health-care systems. “We’re not trying to say that these are the precisely correct life-expectancy estimates,” he told me. “We’re just trying to show that there are other factors that affect life-expectancy-at-birth estimates that people quote all the time.” These factors (which could also include rates obesity and smoking, also arguably the result of lifestyle choices rather than health care) call into question the value of country rankings, especially where the difference between the leading countries is often less than a year. Prof. Ohsfeldt compared the situation to college rankings where two schools with minute differences are ranked, somewhat arbitrarily." Again, you are cherry picking what you want to hear.  There is nothing to say that the US has lower quality.  That is why that data you cited is not used in any peer reviewed journal. 
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  47. Sha Dow But, I have answered your questions that you have asked multiple times.  I have answered multiple times.  You clearly did not read the book or know the conclusion. If you did we would be having a completely different discussion I assure you.
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  48. Sha Dow I have answered that question.  Insurance companies pick up the tab so they are not paying more.  Also, in the US you don't have rationing by the government or long wait times. No it is time for your response of "well I never experienced that so it must not be true, just like I have never seen germs so they don't exist". "that you have and no one was ever denied payment for medical care when it was most needed" And in other countries they are denied it as well with longer wait times.  So there is no difference. "You think your source is biblical while everything that disagrees with you are "frivolous"?" No, I am saying my source if more reliable due to the numerous citations they have and the overall conclusion they made.  It is very clear that you haven't read the book because if you did you would agree with their conclusion. "the US has the highest costs for health care with the worst results" 100% not true.  Again, read the book.  Read the conclusion they came up with.  You have this pride thing, I get it.  But you are very myopic right now and with your attitude you are not going to get anywhere in life.
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  49. Sha Dow In fact I will just tell you the conclusion.  They said that while yes, the US has problems in healthcare, so does every other country.  Basically every other country has just as many, if not more problems in healthcare.  That is why Robert Oshfeldt said you can't directly compare the US to other countries in healthcare due to the numerous variables involved and differences.  They all face problems.  So simply saying that we can just copy one of their system is asinine considering we will still have problems. So what that means is that we have to focus on the US alone in solving these problems.  We should improve but we can't do so in a hand wavy way.  There are ways to improve.  To me the problem with healthcare stems from two questions I ask people 1. why do so many employers pay with healthcare insurance as opposed to a higher wage? 2. why does insurance equal healthcare? Basically all of the problems we have with healthcare stems from the federal government. So their conclusion is that yes, the US has problems, but so do other countries. A more sound and intelligent conclusion that is more thought out. Your conclusion is "the US system sucks and we need socialized healthcare".  A childish, hand wavy generalization where the data does not back you up.  As I said, if you read the book you would see the they are not praising the US system, they are calling for improvements.  They are simply saying that other countries have problems as well. Now time for you to say "be I never experienced it like I never have experienced quantum tunneling so it doesn't exist".
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  50. Sha Dow The sources I give you are factual.  I have acknowledged that the US system has problems. I have acknowledge that we need to improve.  The problem with you is that you feel other countries don't have problems and that their systems are so great when there is nothing to support that case.  They have just as many problems as well.  You feel that all we have to do is raise taxes a little bit and allow the government to run healthcare and it will be all better.  If it were that simple I would support it.  It isn't.  You feel that having a for profit system is terrible when that is not the case.  While our system is for profit in a way, it isn't a capitalist system.  For profit does not equal capitalist.  I addressed that with the two questions I asked of 1. why do so many employers offer healthcare insurance as payments instead of a higher wage? 2. why does insurance equal healthcare? You just jump up and down and say "you pay higher prices".  That is all you have.  You have nothing else.  I gave you a book with several citations that you can read on your own but yet you refuse to read it at all.   You want to take the simple route on a complex issue. On the min. wage, we can discuss that as well.  You won't do well either.  The fact is that when broken down there is not one single good reason to even have a min. wage.  Here is the immediate flaw of the min. wage.  You are requiring how much is paid per hour, not per week.  So if you raise the min. wage and hours get cut (and they do), you haven't accomplished anything.  Also, if you want to discuss CEO pay consider this.  If the top 6 executives of Walmart were to take their earnings and spread it to the 525,000 employees earning $25,000 a year or less than they will earn an extra $147 a year.  That's it.  Business don't pay more for one simple reason, they can't afford it. Really, I wished liberal's ideas work because they are simple.  If all it took was raising the min. wage to help the poor, and if all it took was going to socialized medicine to fix healthcare than I will be all for it.  But the issue is far more complex than that.  You clearly have the complete refusal to learn about the issue which is why you refuse to even consider reading my book despite the conclusion will be not what you expect.
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  51. Sha Dow And the book I gave you talk about prices as well.  As I said, it is more complicated than just prices.  And the book had numerous citations from researchers who also "got off their ass" to see what they really are. "Where did I say that other countries don't have their problems?" This entire time.  You said the US has worst results and higher prices.  You are claiming that other countries have a much better system when that is not the case. "Every other first world nation has better health care results," 100% not true.  As stated in that book.  Those ranking you keep pointing to consider life expectancy to be a strong indicator of healthcare results.  As professors Oshfeldt said, there are several variables besides healthcare that determine life expectancy.  Other countries have just as many problems and are not getting better results with their system.  You have never displayed that at all.  You have to consider that I never once said the US has superior system.  I said it arguably does, but I never said it definitively does. You are saying the US definitively has an inferior system but gave nothing to support that.  I am saying that we are on par with every other country.  We have a different set of problems, but we have problems like every other country has problems.  "ven though they spend less for the exact same medications and treatments, but you completely refuse to even consider why that is," I have acknowledged that and told you that it is more complicated than that.   I have told you why we have problems in healthcare and it is related to these two questions I want to to consider 1. why do so many employers pay with healthcare insurance as opposed to a higher wage? 2. why does insurance equal healthcare? But you refuse to consider that.  You have this mindset that I think the US system is great and flawless.  That isn't the case. I am saying that we have problems, but so do other countries as well and thus no other country is better off. "since you believe the for-profit hype that claims they are worse off and that if you pay more you'll get more." I understand it is more complicated than that as well.  You know what else is for profit?  LASIK eye surgery.  It is not tied to any insurance plan nor is it tied to any government policie.  LASIK has gotten better and cheaper throughout the years.  You know what else is for profit?  The internet which is also not tied to government regulations and has gotten better.  For profit is no necessarily bad.  It can be when government gets involved.  As I said, it is more complicated than how you are making it.
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  52. Sha Dow It is clear you have the complete refusal to learn anything and love to take the simple route.  That is why you love socialized systems, you don't have to work and live off of other people's hard work. 
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  53. Sha Dow I get paid enough to travel is I want to.  I just choose not to.  I am also intelligent enough to live a healthy lifestyle where I don't have to see the doctor on a regular basis.  The last time I did was in the summer simply because I have to do a mandated yearly physical for my job.  By the way you talk and how you process information I doubt you have a high paying job.  But there are ignorant people who have a nice amount of money, so it is not impossible.  But considering how you have to use healthcare so much than you clearly are not intelligent enough to remain healthy.  So I doubt you traveled. I doubt you have much of a job considering how quick you are in responding to my comments.  You are basing your info on things you agree with.  You can't even read a book which is all I asked you to do in the end.
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  54. Sha Dow What you said might mean something if I were a republican.  Instead I am a moderate.  I have experienced nothing but great healthcare in the US.  When I hurt both my knees playing football I had no problem getting and MRI and the results in less than a week and was on the field in a few weeks.  Same with my shoulder injury.  Despite that I know and understand that we do have problems in the US when it comes to healthcare. But so do other countries.  You have the mentality of "US care sucks" and "other countries are better" based off of nothing but your own supposed experience.  I agree, the US system has problems, but for reasons different from what you think.  That is why i asked the 2 simple questions 1. why do so many employers pay with insurance instead of a higher wage? 2. why does insurance equal healthcare? But other countries have problems as well that are well documented that you choose to ignore.  I am not saying one system is better than the other.  You are based off of no evidence.
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  55. Sha Dow That from 7th grade on through high school.  I hurt one knee in 7th grade.  I hurt my other knee in 12th grade.  I hurt my shoulder simply horsing around during track season.  So that was during a six year period.  Plus, those are sports related injuries.  During my entire time I missed 1 track meet and 4 football games.  That's it.  One knee injury had torn cartilage and almost had season ending knee surgery.  But I rehabbed my way back onto the field. 
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  56. Sha Dow I know accidents happen, and so far insurance has been great for me. 
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  57. Sha Dow You keep saying I live in a bubble but yet you refuse to read a simple book I gave you.  If you want to start playing games of giving examples then here http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2486789/Natasha-16-complained-headaches-She-died-13-doctors-failed-diagnose-brain-tumour.html But it is ok, her healthcare was cheap and no bankruptcy. 
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  58. Sha Dow You are missing the point.  Every country, including the US, has problems.  I can acknowledge that and work on improving it.  You can't.  You can't be honest at all.  You feel the US system is inferior when there is nothing to show that at all.  You are complaining about high prices and bankruptcy when other people are dying in other countries.  I guess you can't complain about price when you are dead.
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  59. Sha Dow Here is the difference between you and me.  I never once said those countries had terrible healthcare systems.  I said they had problems.  I also said the US had problems.  All of those countries have problems with their healthcare system.  I am just intelligent enough to know that replacing our system with another country's system that has just as many problems is not a solution.  That is like cutting of a leg to cure cancer, now you don't have a leg. "ou think the US system is superior" Never said that. "when you refuse to look at all of the research" I gave you a book with more citations than you have ever given me. "US pays more for worse results" 100% not true. "and have never went to the countries you were told are inferior" Never said they were inferior.  "even though the research shows they spend less with much better results." Again, 100% not true.  Still waiting for some peer reviewed sources from you. 
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  60. Sha Dow "The difference between you and me is that I travel and see things for myself" Anecdotal evidence is not sufficient.  But others have traveled and experienced healthcare in other countries as well and have experienced problems as I have told you and showed you with other sources and that video.   "or experiment with the information," And so have others with different results than what you got.  I gave you published results, results published in peer reviewed journals used in academic studies. You are giving me sources from Huffpo and Slate.  "instead of believing whatever I read in whatever book" But yet you believe something on a blog site.  And I told you about books.  With what you are saying I can't believe any of my textbooks.  I guess I should burn them all and redo the oil drop experiment, the Michelson-Morley experiment, or other science experiments to convince myself.  With your thought process we would have zero progress because we will be spending time redoing what others have done and shown already. "You claimed other first world systems had such "long wait times", and "rationed" it so much that people are lining up to use American healthcare instead," Never said that "people are lining up to use American healthcare instead".  Are there?  Yes.  Like people are using other country's care instead as well.  You are again putting words in my mouth. "Seems like you think that every single list comparing health systems around the globe are "frivolous" even though all of the data is there to be looked at" They are frivolous because healthcare is a complex issue.  "Math doesn't lie." I suggest you read the book "How to Lie with Statistics" by Darrell Huff.....oh, wait....you don't read books due to some conspiracy you believe in.  That book is used in academic settings as well. "The US is consistently last on every list on life expectancy and illness." Which is addressed in that book how there are several variables beyond healthcare that play a role in life expectancy. If you remove car accidents and murders then the US is number 1 in life expectancy.
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  61. Sha Dow Again, there is more to it than just hospital bills.  Also, already told you how relatively CEOs really don't earn much.
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