Comments by "whyamimrpink78" (@whyamimrpink78) on "Man With Health Insurance Charged $109k After Heart Attack" video.

  1. Gregory, Natasha Simmonds had a tumor but that was not known until she saw 13 doctors. Read the story entitled "Natasha, 16, complained of headaches. She died after 13 doctors failed to diagnosed a brain tumour" These stories happen in every nation.
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  2. RageTyrannosaurus, read the article entitled "How Government Regulations Made Healthcare So Expensive"
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  3. No healthcare system is ideal, people on the left like Kyle cannot accept that. Yes the ACA was supposed to solve problems like these but didn't. In the US the situation is different than from the UK, so it is hard to compare, but yes, people do die in other nations like the UK on waiting lists due to complications. In the US our problem is that government over regulates a for profit system, so the companies pass the cost onto the consumer. We also lack competition in healthcare so prices go up. It is complicated but in the end the reality is that US does not have a free market system in healthcare which is causing many problems.
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  4. He isn't.
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  5. Jak, every system has horror stories. Kyle has to bring up these stories as the facts and logic are not on his side on the healthcare issues.
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  6. Alden Bunag, the right brings up many facts and has a lot of logic. You just haven't looked hard enough. If you want to discuss healthcare we can, I am sure you will see how incorrect you are.
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  7. Alden Bunag, read the book entitled "The Business of Health" by Prof. Robert Oshfeldt and Prof. John Schneider There they break down the healthcare system and conclude that switching to a universal healthcare system will not improve what we have now. Other countries have many shortcomings as well and when you break it down they are not any better than the US. You criticize the US system but have not given a strong argument against it.
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  8. Alden, the book does not say that the US has worst overall care. I can tell you have not read the book. There are several variables to account for when considering the healthcare issues. One major reason why we have worse outcomes are because issues outside of healthcare. The US is number 1in obesity rates for OECD nations. The US has a less healthy lifestyle. Read the paper entitled "The Oregon Experiment-Effects of Medicaid on Clinical Outcomes" There 6000 were given Medicaid and 6000 weren't. Of the 6000 given Medicaid they did not see improvement in their physical health despite being given access to healthcare. Why? Because a lot of health issues are related to one's lifestyle. How they eat, how they exercise, etc. The report showed lower level of stress and depression for those who received Medicaid, but one can argue that a proper diet and exercise can also lower stress and depression on top of improving physical health. Just giving access to healthcare to people does not mean they will be better off health wise. Each point 1. No country guarantees healthcare to all citizens. 2. Ok, and? Poor people have a higher risk of going bankrupt. I do agree this is a problem but other nations struggle on advanced care. I would agree a universal healthcare system does help the really poor, but the really sick struggle. In the US, as I just mentioned, the really poor have bad health due to lifestyle choices so the question becomes does giving them access to healthcare make it worth it considering how they cannot take care of themselves? 3. And what do you have to compare that 40,000 number to? People die in every nation due to lack of access. In Australia up to 7000 people die a year waiting for "elective" surgery. As Harvard professor Katherine Baicker argued (lead author on that paper) it is hard to determine if someone died due to lack of access or due to being in bad health to begin with. Bad health is associated with being poor. There are higher rates of obesity, type II diabetes and smoking with the poor. All of those issues are self inflicted. Being obese makes any health problem more complicated. As was mentioned in that study I posted, just because they have access to healthcare does not mean they will be better of physically meaning their chances of dying are essentially the same. 4. I agree, that is a problem. That is why I support a free market system where insurance companies will be forced to serve the people or go bankrupt. Also, healthcare insurance would be insurance and not healthcare. 5. Most drug development is privately funded. That is why it is so expensive. Every nation has problems. You just ignore them. You did not even read the book I suggested. If people in the US don't like our healthcare system why did 80% of voters in Colorado voted to keep it?
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  9. Adlen, the book is using the same stats you are looking at and forming the strong argument that the US healthcare system is on par with other nations. The issue with stats is that anyone can do a legit analysis with them and come up with any conclusion they want. In the book they removed car accidents and murders from all nations and when they did the US is number 1 in life expectancy. Read the paper entitled "Amenable mortality as an indicator of healthcare quality-a literature review" There they author argues the point that amenable mortality is difficult to use as an indicator of how good a healthcare system is as many factors outside of healthcare influence deaths. The US is number 1 in obesity for OECD nations. That plays a role in our healthcare outcomes. Obese people are more likely to have cancer and have pre-mature births leading to higher infant mortality rates. 1. Many citizens are denied care in every nation. Up to 7000 die in Australia waiting for "elective" surgery. Resources are limited. 2. You can be poor and still eat healthy and exercise. It just comes from laziness. 3. You bring up the case of Amy Vilela when you can read the case about Natasha Simmonds who saw 13 doctors for months, and then was scheduled for an MRI in November but had to wait until January to get it. She waited over 2 months for her MRI. When she got one they found a tumor and she died from it. She had to wait over 2 months for an MRI. Read the paper entitled "Waiting for elective surgery: effects on health-related quality of life" Waiting too long for care can harm you financially, physically and psychologically. 4. Saying no nation does a free market healthcare system thus it can't be done is a poor argument. There is no cure for cancer, so guess it can't be cured. Profit motive is what drives innovation and progress. 5. The US is number 1 in R&D. Expensive drugs are a reason for that. Also, lack of competition and lack of a free market leads to higher prices. You do ignore their problems. Their problems are just as severe as the US. FDR turned a recession into a depression, he was not a good president. You refuse to read the book because you are scared to have your thoughts challenged. The Jake Tapper's piece was legit. I am sorry that a bunch of ignorant, over emotional fools disagreed with him. Fact is that Bernie lied about that study. Bernie constantly lies and is constantly deceptive. He is a career, corrupt politician. Tapper called him out and the Bernie fans cried. What is sad is that Bernie preaches about discussing the issues, but when someone does a study to do just that Bernie misrepresents it. That is why people don't take him serious and refuse to have discussions with him. He has no desire to have an honest discussion on the issues, he just wants a stage to say his talking points. Same with you. You have no desire to read that book, you just want to go off of talking points.
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  10. Alden, you asked for me to give you facts. I did. You wanted logic and I am giving it to you. You respond with the idea that people refuse to better a situation because of corruption and not on the idea that maybe Medicare for all is not the best route. You claim the US system is inferior to other nations but gave no evidence for that. You have one horror story where I countered with one as well. The right has facts and logic on this issue and want to improve healthcare. Problem is that the political left is so extreme the refuse to listen to the other side. That is why we get no progress.
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  11. Uh, no. Republicans want to lower prices as well. But of course you won't listen to their argument.
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  12. Rockness Monster, through the free market and competition, that's how. Government regulations are why prices are high to begin with.
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  13. MrsmallANDLoud, you haven't heard their ideas, or you just refuse to accept them.
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  14. Travis Thoma, every country is different and have different cultures. Just because other countries have universal healthcare does not mean that a free market system is better or worse and does not mean that universal healthcare is better. Every country does something different and they still face problems. If universal healthcare was so great than many states would have established it.
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  15. Travis, dying is a problem in other nations. That 45,000 number you point to has many flaws. One, those people are poor and bad health is associated with being poor. There are higher rates of obesity, type II diabetes and smoking with the poor, all self inflicted. So the question becomes do they die due to lack of access or due to being in bad health to begin with? A study entitled "The Oregon Experiment-Effects of Medicaid on Clinical Outcomes" expanded Medicaid to 6000 patients and another 6000 did not receive it. After 2 years there was not any improvement on physical outcomes for the 6000 who received Medicaid. Why? Because a lot depends on the lifestyle and genetics of the person, not access to healthcare. You talk about cancer treatment when statistically you have a higher chance of dying due to cancer in other nations. As for MRI, I paid nothing as well. So what's your point?
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  16. Mega X, there is evidence. Look at LASIK surgery. Insurance does not cover it and government hardly regulates it. Over the years the price has been dropping and the quality has been improving. Right now we don't have a free market system in healthcare. We have almost no competition. Other countries have many shortcomings as well. For Medicaid expansion, read the paper I suggested about the study in Oregon. Even with expanding Medicaid people did not improve physically in health.
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  17. Mega X, people went to the doctor but did not improve physically. That is the point. Even with more access they did not improve health wise. That is the point. A lot of their health problems are genetic or through lifestyle choices. If you see a doctor but don't improver your physical health you are still at a high risk of dying. I did not mislead the study, I said exactly what it concluded.
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  18. Mega X, if those 45,000 had access to healthcare and still decided to not take care of themselves, what is the point? That is the point of the Medicaid study. Even with access people still had bad health. They still had physical problems. Sure, lowering depression is removing one complication. But if people are still obese what is the point? You are giving healthcare to people who have no desire to better their situation.
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  19. Mega X, I would like evidence of LASIK surgery costing less in other nations. I would also like to have a quality analysis of it, how much supply there is, waiting times, etc. Two years is a long time. I dropped 17 pounds in a span of 2 months. The US is number 1 in obesity rates of OECD nations. Fact is that we have an unhealthy lifestyle. A lot of health issues can be solved through a healthy diet and exercise. Obesity adds complications to any health issue. Of course their costs were lower, they were given money. I agree, lowering depression is important, but their physical health did not improve. That is the issue. If you are obese you are still going to have physical problems. A strong argument can be made that we should not be giving free healthcare to people who refuse to take care of themselves. There is strong evidence that eating healthier and exercising can also lower depression as well. I did not leave out the positive. I gave you the paper to read. I am glad you read part of it. This is is how discussions start. If did not point you to the source then I would be leaving out the positive. I have no problem giving my sources for you to read so we can discuss. That is how we progress. People don't argue with me because the fact is they don't want to have their ideas challenged.
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  20. Travis, my insurance paid for my MRI and I waited less than a week for it. It was for a knee injury.
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  21. Travis, I pay $0 in insurance, my company pays for it. My knees are fine. That was years ago. I can run a 6 minute mile and I am always on my feet.
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  22. Travis, someone has to pay for it.
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  23. Lori, that is a goo question. On end of life I suggest you read the book entitled "Being Mortal" by Atul Gawande.
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  24. Mega X, I do read the papers I cite. You were the one that brought up LASIK costing less in other nations. LASIK isn't life saving, I agree. Neither is a lot of other things in healthcare such as routine check ups, planned pregnancies, x-rays, MRIs, etc. A lot of things in healthcare can be paid for out of pocket and people can shop around for. Also, that study does not help the argument to expand Medicaid, it hurts it. Even when given Medicaid people still don't end up better physically. You are giving people healthcare who refuse to live a healthier lifestyle. You are rewarding laziness. Also, it is arguable that a better diet and exercise can alleviate stress and depression as well. But instead of pushing people to do that you just want to give them stuff for free. You refuse to argue against me because you can't form an argument.
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  25. Up to 7000 die a year on waiting lists waiting for "elective" surgery in Australia.
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  26. Yes you can. Just relax the regulations and the free market will lower the prices.
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  27. CDM_Enigma, I watched the video. Horror stories like these exist in every nation. Kyle is a complete moron when it comes to healthcare. This is why he has to bring up single stories like there. The facts and logic are not on his side on the healthcare issue.
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  28. Sha Dow, we don't have worse outcomes.
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  29. Rameel, there is a profit incentive in LASIK surgery but what the price went down. There is a profit incentive in computers but the price went down. There is a profit incentive in cars but the price went down. Funny how in many areas of the market there is a profit incentive but the price drops.
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  30. Sha Dow, we have a heavily regulated healthcare industry in the US.
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  31. Land Eranthb, I agree bad things can happen to people. In the US we do have a system where people can do into debt if needed to make it. We are advanced enough that we allow people to regress before they progress. As for keeping people sick, that is because we lack a free market healthcare system.
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  32. Rameel, healthcare does work the same as other industries. Yes, we spend more, but we also have higher quality of care. What's your point? Government does not create the free market? The reason why other countries don't replace their system with a free market is the same reason why we don't replace our system with a universal healthcare system. Doing so is very challenging if not impossible.
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  33. libertas libertas, stories like that do exist in other nations. Read the paper entitled "Dying of cancer in Italy: impact on family and caregiver. The Italian Survey of Dying of Cancer" People have to pay for care there.
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  34. N B, I just cited a paper of people having to pay for care related to cancer in Italy. The other person claimed they pay nothing in Italy. But hey, ignore facts I guess when they are in your face.
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  35. libertas libertas, your anecdotal evidence does not counter that study. I know many people with major illnesses and health problems that paid very little to nothing. Also, statistically the US is number 1 in cancer survival rates. So if you lived in Italy you have a higher chance of dying. So even if they pay nothing they won't live long. Italy care in that case is what Alan Grayson said "if you get sick, die quickly". "Only" 2000 is actually a lot in a healthcare study that goes after a specific case. People die in every nation because they are denied care. What's your point?
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  36. libertas libertas, you said that people don't pay for care in Italy, that is my point. So immediately I showed that your statement is false. Why should I trust anything else you say? As for your link read the study entitled "The Oregon Experiment-Effects of Medicaid on Clinical Outcomes" There 6000 people were given Medicaid and another 6000 weren't. What they found out was that the 6000 who were given access to healthcare did not see any improvement in physical health. Just because you give healthcare access to people does not mean they will have improved health.
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  37. libertas libertas, in the US if you can't pay you can go to the ER and they cannot deny you care. And if you can't pay you don't have to. One reason why healthcare is so expensive is that people who can pay subsidize those that can't.
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  38. No, if you can't afford the ER visit they don't bill you in the US.
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  39. Why? Do you want to destroy the economy? Also, little indicates that Medicare for all would be better.
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  40. Uteriel, if you lower the price the quality goes down.
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  41. The Koch brother study was a conservative estimate. Chances are the cost would be higher. Reality is little indicates that medicare for all would be cheaper.
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  42. Hewlett, it was a conservative estimate in cost. Did you even read the study? I doubt it. Why is it that people on the ultra left love to be uninformed but have a strong opinion on issues?
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  43. Because under socialist system it arguably pulls the middle class down. Also, it is arguable that a free market system is better.
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  44. Ever thought they are voting for their own interest and against your interest?
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  45. moestietabarnak, people die in other nations as well due to lack of healthcare. You pointing to the 45,000 is flawed in many ways. You saying no one die in other nations due to lack of healthcare is simply false.
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  46. Because a major reason why costs are so high to begin with are because of government regulations. If government tries to control prices healthcare providers will just lower the quality.
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  47. I see this story as nothing but a tear jerking way to gain views. Healthcare is very complex. If the corporate media were to try to educate people on that issue many will get bored and move on. You can't make a strong conclusion on one story like this.
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  48. N B, I offer counter viewpoints. You calling me a troll means you have no counter arguments.
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  49. Clint, I never called you stupid. And what was the basic thing I lied about? When did I lie? If you are going to make a claim you have to provide evidence.
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