Comments by "whyamimrpink78" (@whyamimrpink78) on "Bernie Talks A Guy Out Of Killing Himself Over Medical Bills" video.

He isn't an amazing guy. He has no desire to have an actual conversation with the other side. I feel bad for that guy and feel no one should have to deal with that issue, but Bernie's plan will not necessarily make things better for the nation.
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@tadferd4340 , how do you know? People in other nations suffer a lot on waiting lists. Every system has flaws.
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@cloudyskiesnow , yep, keep dismissing the other side. Worked so well for you in 2016.
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There is more to it then that.
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@douglaslangley9251 , I feel bad for the guy but is there more to the issue? For example, does he have a mental disorder? People just don't commit suicide. I have been suicidal in the past so I know how it feels. Also, are they bankrupt purely for medical bills? There are arguments to be made that very few are bankrupt due to purely medical bills https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMp1716604 There is an argument to be made for some kind of public option in healthcare and cases like these support that. But to push for a pure M4A policy thinking it will solve all problems is foolish. Universal healthcare systems have problems as well https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3617466/ "Research has also considered the impact of waiting on patients, with findings that those awaiting necessary treatments often face considerable costs. These may be financial if the ability to work is affected and if there is a need to pay for additional care and therapeutics while awaiting treatment. Costs for the health system may arise if patients are not treated in a timely manner and develop more serious conditions or co-morbidities as a consequence of waiting. There may also be quality-of-life impacts, as well as impacts on family or caregivers"
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@douglaslangley9251 , I am here to have a conversation as I want situations to improve.
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@douglaslangley9251 , many people who "wait" for treatment don't get it either. Or they end up worse off financially, physically and psychology. Did you read the paper I linked you about New Zealand's wait times? I am willing to have a conversation, but you have to be willing to have one as well. Maybe M4A is the best system. But telling your opponent to "fuck off" when they are the ones with peer reviewed studies is not productive.
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@douglaslangley9251 , elective surgery consists of heart and neurosurgery. I have access to the first one. Go to your local university library and you will as well.
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@douglaslangley9251 , again, some forms of "elective" surgery includes heart and neurosurgery. You also have cases like knee surgery which can keep people out of work if they don't get it fixed soon.
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@shadowstalker1515 ,I am here to have a discussion on the issues. I want to improve our healthcare system, but that means having the difficult conversations. The far left refuses to have that. Maybe M4A is the best solution, but it will come with drawbacks. Universal healthcare systems are known to be less efficient in some cases harming many people. No matter what system you have someone is going to suffer.
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@douglaslangley9251 https://www.aihw.gov.au/reports/hospitals/national-definitions-for-elective-surgery-urgency/contents/table-of-contents An entire list right there in Australia. Here is the bottom line, in either system someone will suffer. In the US system the very poor suffer with some degree of bankruptcy and death. In the universal healthcare system the very sick suffer. In a universal system they have lower survival rates, you have people dying waiting for "elective" heart surgery such in these cases https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16685314 You have people going blind in the UK being denied cataract surgery. Now to be fair a lot of those people are very sick and old, and thus near death to begin with. As mentioned in the book "Being Mortal" the author there discusses how people seek out modern medicine to live another 5 or 10 years but really live another 5 or 10 months. So the question is should we refuse them healthcare to see that the very poor have access to healthcare? Well, the very poor are in bad health due to poor lifestyle choices with higher rates of obesity, type II diabetes and smoking, all self inflicted. Also, there is doubt that medical bankruptcy is a major problem https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMp1716604 So overall, someone has to suffer.
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@douglaslangley9251 , these are the difficult conversations the far left is not willing to have. Who is going to decide what is elective and urgent? What will be the cap of healthcare? Who will decide that? Are you going to answer those questions?
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@douglaslangley9251 , again, go to your local university library, you can access it there. Also, it goes to show that I have access to much more resources then you do, so who is more knowledgeable? I am literally pointing to experts, who have you pointed to? People do get sick, and the older you get the more sick you get. Read the book "Being Mortal", he talks about it there. That book is required reading for our nursing students. What is the difference between dying on a waiting list and dying for not receiving care? They both are denied care. And no, it isn't objectively better. You haven't given me one objective measure yet.
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Or maybe healthcare costs shouldn't be so high. Get the government out of healthcare.
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Medicare for all comes with its own problems. Yes, M4A would mean no debt and less financial stress, but it comes with the problems of lower accessibility and lower quality which can add other stress. For example, in New Zealand people face stress due to wait times https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3617466/ "Research has also considered the impact of waiting on patients, with findings that those awaiting necessary treatments often face considerable costs. These may be financial if the ability to work is affected and if there is a need to pay for additional care and therapeutics while awaiting treatment. Costs for the health system may arise if patients are not treated in a timely manner and develop more serious conditions or co-morbidities as a consequence of waiting. There may also be quality-of-life impacts, as well as impacts on family or caregivers "
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@ninjalokust , define "need". And define "urgent". I feel a heart surgery is urgent but people have to wait for those. In other nations people die due to lack of care.
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@tadferd4340 , I never had a problem with the US system, doesn't mean it is without flaws. Same with your system.
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@ninjalokust , uh, need is defined by doctors here as well. Even that has flaws. Here https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16685314 https://ww2.health.wa.gov.au/Reports-and-publications/Elective-Surgery-Wait-List-ESWL-reports/Data?report=eswl_90perc I just listed two nations that have heart surgery as elective. Really, you guys come at me as if I am the idiot and you are factual.
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@tadferd4340 , the vast majority has decent healthcare, that is why there is no major push to change it.
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@audhdcreativity5899 , I did read the article. Even though as elective people still face hardships. Here https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3617466/ "Research has also considered the impact of waiting on patients, with findings that those awaiting necessary treatments often face considerable costs. These may be financial if the ability to work is affected and if there is a need to pay for additional care and therapeutics while awaiting treatment. Costs for the health system may arise if patients are not treated in a timely manner and develop more serious conditions or co-morbidities as a consequence of waiting. There may also be quality-of-life impacts, as well as impacts on family or caregivers" It comes down to what is "necessary" and what isn't.
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@ninjalokust , non fatal but, as pointed out by the first study, people died. Philly has the same problem as other major cities, too many people and not enough doctors. So your solution is to add 30 million people more to the system?
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@tadferd4340 , no system is ideal for everyone.
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@ninjalokust , wait times for what? We offer more CT scans and MRIs per capita. We have lower wait times for advanced care. Read the book "In Excellent Health" by prof. Scott Atlas. People are going blind in the UK being denied cataract eye surgery.
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@freddiemercury4evr , sure, that's great. But his policies are not great considering he does not want to talk about the issues in detail.
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@ugeofaltron5003 , what has the government been doing? In the last 50 years we have seen the creation of Medicare and Medicaid and healthcare prices spiked. Hmmmm.......
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