Comments by "whyamimrpink78" (@whyamimrpink78) on "Governor Wants To Take Guns From Criminals With Domestic Violence Convictions" video.

  1. Europe also has much less violent crime. Even if you remove all gun murders in the US we still have more murders than many European countries. That is not a gun issue but a culture issue.
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  2. Richard, it is pure politics. NY is a left leaning state that is for more gun laws. It is to make him look better.
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  3. "Maybe it's time you repealed the second amendment? it was written in a time when people had muskets not semi automatic rifles, the article is archaic." Ok, remove the first as we did not have the internet at the time. Agreed? " Maybe if you still want a constitutional right to bare arms replace it with something that is a little more specific like allows a right to small arms (ie handguns) for self defense" Most murders are done by handguns. "but military grade weapons (eg assault rifles)" There is no clear definition for "assault rifles". But at that "military grade" weapons (again, no definition) are banned if you consider the ban on fully automatics. " I'm sure clever lawyers could come up with a form of words." There have been court cases on it. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_firearm_court_cases_in_the_United_States
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  4. " You can have common sense regulations " Define "common sense". Saying "common sense" is attempting to brush off your opponent's argument as opposed to solidifying yours with facts and logic. What it mean is that you do not have an argument. Even at that this is not a "common sense" issue as we are debating it to begin with. So immediately you do not have a strong argument. " Nobody here are frightened kids in their bed unable to defend themselves AND we can send our kids to schools without metal detectors, win fucking win." The vast majority in the US are not scared either. I just walked the streets downtown last night without my gun. I was fine and not scared. Most schools do not have metal detectors. The ones that do are in violent areas which is a problem of violence, not guns. "The truck point is willful moronic stupidity, you can knock down 5-6 people with a truck, one of your mass shooters got to shoot 50 people before the cops arrived" How many mass shootings killed 50+ people over the years? the truck point is legit as you can kill many in a large crowd. You can also do so with homemade bombs you can find recipes for over the internet. "Don't you want to live in a country where innocent people can walk the streets without getting gunned down by a lunatic with psycosis?" For the most part we do. Most gun murders are done in gang wars and drug deals. You are making it sound like people in the US are very paranoid and being shot at on a daily basis. We aren't. " that happens all the time in the US" Not true.
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  5. We have background checks already. When put to a vote expanded background checks failed to pass in Maine and passed in NV by only 0.45%. The reason why is because any expansion of them is invasive to our rights. In NV the issue was that if I were to loan my gun to my friend I would, by definition, be breaking the law. Is that really necessary? Even if we are at a shooting range and I were to let them shoot it that is illegal by the way the law is written.
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  6. " Europe, Canada and Australia all had violent crime go UP after confiscating or buying back banned firearms. Violent crime always goes up when populations are defenseless." I cannot say for sure as I have not seen the numbers, but if that were to happen I would not be surprised as I do feel that the idea of someone owning a gun can deter criminals from committing crime. I support gun rights and owning guns. My comment was towards Ryan Carroll who feels that there is a correlation between strict gun laws and low mass shootings. I am pointing out that as a whole Europe has much lower murder rates than the US to begin with. That even if you remove all gun murders the US still has a higher rate than many European countries. To me the issue is not guns but culture. And if we do have a violent culture like that than I want to keep my gun to defend myself if needed. But again, I support guns and gun rights and feel we actually have too many guns laws.
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  7. Mathias B, when you water down the definition of a "mass shooting" you can get a lot of them. There is no legal definition of a "mass shooting" which is why you get such a high number for the US, people have watered it down to push propaganda.
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  8. "You have absolutely no understanding of cause and effect. There is not gun crime because there is a gun free zone, there are gun free zones because of an areas history of gun crime." Again, why do most of these mass shootings happen in "gun free zones"? That is the common denominator. I agree gun crime happens outside of "gun free zones", but they seem to occur at high rates in areas of "gun free zones". Also, the vast majority mass shootings, as in more than 3 people being kills, happened in "gun free zones". So yes, the Chicago argument is legit.
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  9. "Stating what is obviously true is not an ad hominem." You didn't state the obvious. You just made a claim where I countered.
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  10. "Where 50,000 Guns Recovered in Chicago Came From" Sure, I do not deny that. And why do they choose to do crime in Chicago? Because of strict gun laws meaning that law abiding citizens are less likely to possess a gun. There is less resistance. It is natural to go down the path of least resistance.
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  11. Ryan Carroll, you are losing this argument. Again, you know very little about the gun issue. I have showed that with numerous comments and facts.
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  12. Ryan Carroll, going point by point on your new comment 1. Sure, no medical bankruptcies, people just die or become worse off while on waiting lists. I can give references if you want. 2. The US has the best university program in the world for a reason 3. This is rare in the US all things considered. And again, murder is a culture issue 4. What? 5. Most of the country has this, as in at least 70%. Those that don't do not work full time or work low skill jobs and are temporary employees 6. We do not run on mob rule. 7. We have a different structure for our country. When we have 323+ million people that happens 8. Most countries have debt 9. Our infrastructure is actually very strong. People saying it isn't are dramatizing things. 10. Unions have become corrupt in the US You know what the US leads the world in? Research and innovation in technology and healthcare. The US also beats the UK in education attainment. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_tertiary_education_attainment
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  13. I will be fair here, the US has more murders per capita than the UK. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate Again, I do not know the actual data as I have never researched it in depth. But to me the crime issue is a cultural issue, not a gun one. That is my point. Do guns play a role? Yes. The handgun ban in DC led to a significant spike in crime, especially violent crime in DC. So in the US with our culture it does with it being restricting guns leads to more crime. But internationally the comparisons are hard due to different cultures and different definitions of crime.
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  14. "That is only possible because the states surrounding Illinois have almost no gun control laws and the guns are illegally imported into Chicago...FACT" The Chicago argument is strong. Why do so many mass shooters choose "gun free" zones? Because of lack of resistance. With Chicago criminals know there is less resistance so they do crime there. It doesn't matter if they can get guns elsewhere because guns are an archaic form of technology that can be made easily and millions exist already. So even with a nation wide gun ban the guns will still exist, law abiding citizens will not own them at that point and criminals will have less fear. So the Chicago argument is legit.
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  15. "So, with the problem I'm talking about, America has a unique issue because it happens in the USA way more, it happens in the USA way more because it's easier for someone who is even mentally ill to get a gun" The US is a different country with a different culture. A lot of things happen in the US that does not happen elsewhere. "My point was that we've proven you can have a society where (depending on the EU state you're talking about) civilian mass shootings are rare, unheard of or have never happened, and still allow civilians to own guns for sport and self defense," You haven't because by using your example of Ireland I showed that even without gun murders the US still has a higher murder rate. That is a culture issues, not a gun one. Even at that I also showed that based on data available the US has less rapes. Now do they? I cannot say as the data is unreliable in some ways. However, to make the conclusion you are making is shallow as there are many variables involved here. "You have to give up your right to own something that belongs on an army firing range, but you can still have guns." The VA Tech shooter did his shooting with two handguns. Removing the "scary assault weapons" will not solve anything. I can do a lot of damage with a M1 Garande if I wanted to and kill a lot of people as I know how to shoot well, especially if I am in a gun free zone. All I see here is you really have no idea what you are talking about.
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  16. "Common sense, by most normal people in gun terms, would mean having gun ownership allowed but there being rules on:" What is "common sense"? What is a "normal person"? You have opened the door to ambiguity. To you certain rules may seem like "common sense", but to me they are not simply due to our personal experience. Go farther based on our research, that I have clearly done more of than you, and we can completely interpretations of "common sense" and of a "normal person". Even though I am smart enough to never use such phrases. "-Who can buy the guns (no convicts, terrorist watch listers, mentally ill ) -What guns they can buy (no automatic or semi-automatic rifles) -How many they can buy -What training is required -Who can give you a license (here it's the local police superintendent who interviews you, vists you at random times, takes a look at the area where you'll be storing the gun etc) " Each point 1. Felons cannot already. They lost that right through due process. Terror watch lists have not lost that right, same with the mentally ill. You cannot take rights away from people without due process. If someone who is mentally ill has showed they are a threat then yes, they can lose that right. But again, due process has to be involved. Who do you define as to be "mentally ill"? 2. Handguns are semi-automatic by definition. Full autos are already restricted. 3. Why place a limit? You only need one. 4. Training? So you want to make gun owners to be more efficient when they shoot thus killing more? 5. A license? So only those with money and IDs can own one? "Man...don't talk to me like I'm stupid, metal detectors don't detect violence, they detect fuckin guns, that's what they are in schools for. " You are attacking the object as opposed to helping the person. Why are their metal detectors? Because the school is violent. How about we try to lower violence? "We've never had a school shooting - ever - not one, so our parents don't need to worry about that." The vast majority of parents do not worry either. School shootings are rare.
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  17. "for Gods sake man primary school children were slaughtered at their desks a few years ago and NOTHING changed after " What law would have prevented that shooting? And of the laws you proposed, how would they prevent the gun murders we have now?
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  18. Praxis, I read the second amendment. Clearly you haven't.
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  19. " what part of "well regulated" does your mosquito brain not understand?" "Well regulated" means different things. Here is a good source for you to read. http://www.constitution.org/cons/wellregu.htm
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  20. "You know you guys must live in a fucked up country where someone is genuinely (elephant there ^ ) terrified of the idea of registering all civilian owned guns - the most common fucking sense DUH obvious thing any normal country would do" It is not "common sense" as there is an argument to begin with. Also, we are a completely different country than yours. Why not compare yourself to N. Korea? They have a gun ban there. Is what they do "common sense". You are trying to pass this argument off as being simple when it isn't. There is a lot to it. As I said in another comment, there is a lot it and you know little about it.
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  21. Praxis, you have seemed to have gotten owned.
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  22. "Why would you compare removing the first and second?" Because you made an argument against the 2nd based on technological changes so I can do the same with the 1st. We did not have the internet, smart phones or even TVs in the 1700s, so why not change the 1st amendment? "The first is not in dispute on it's effect" It can be. For example, two girls attempted to kill someone after hearing of the story of Slenderman. Several people have killed animals in microwaves after watching the move Gremlins. Or the murders inspired by the Saw movie or Money Train? Or what about people who present false information online? What about people like Alex Jones? Or what about the NRA posting what you would consider to be "pro gun propaganda" I bet? You do not think that people are hindered on actual knowledge of the issues because of false information posted online? ", whereas half the country disagrees with what the second even means," In what ways? Also, we do not have a system based on mob rule. If over half the country wanted to bring back slavery would you support it? "Yes most murders (and suicides) are done by handgun but if you are not going to ban handguns outright you at least deal with the problem of mass shootings by restricting people to handguns that can kill less people in a short period." The VA Tech shooter killed 32 people with two handguns. Third deadliest shooting in the US. " that there is a right to bar small arms for self defense "but exercise of this right shall be regulated by law" " That is very vague. Regulated how? And based on that the right is does not exist as you can ban guns and call that a "regulation". "that way you could have the nitty gritty regs done by the law or executive orders and the courts would ensure there was no outright ban or law that defeated the spirit of the amendment " A ban is a regulation. "It just seems odd to me that there is all this dispute about what it means and nobody is bothering to just edit it to make it more specific." Edit it to what? That is a whole different argument in itself. And why?
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  23. The US is near the top in educational attainment.
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  24. True
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  25. Uh, this is already illegal as they are felons. Kyle is not too bright.
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