Comments by "whyamimrpink78" (@whyamimrpink78) on "Bernie Responds To Hillary’s Personal Attacks With Policy" video.

  1. Without watching the video I can guess what Bernie will talk about. He will say something along the lines of "There are poor people, thus we need to give away free shit to everyone, because rich people have too much money." Or something about working together when he does nothing. Or some deflection of him wanting to "discuss the issues" which is simply just him wanting to push his communist agenda. Bernie is an idiot.
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  2. Jen'ari-asha, Bernie is very predictable. He says the same things over and over again. When pressed on the issues he resorts to the same talking points. For example, when pushed on the issue on the min. wage in a town hall discussion in Vegas he resorted to how there are poor people who earn little. He never answered the question in how you would prevent businesses from raising prices. In Bill Maher's show he was pushed on how much he will have to raise taxes. He could never give hard numbers on how much and on who. When pushed about Venezuela and other Latin countries on socialism he deflected to Denmark and Sweden. When pushed on healthcare in the debate against Cruz by a small business owner he admitted that he does not know how a business is ran and just told her she has to pay for healthcare. When asked how, he did not give say. When Cruz brought up how much Bernie's healthcare bill would cost he did not debunk it. Bernie is a fool. Also, he is a communist.
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  3. Nope. All you have to do is show how Bernie is a communist. Many people in swing states are scared of communism and rightfully so.
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  4. Lunar, that is true. He lost and republicans won.
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  5. Titanollante, Bernie is far more extreme than Obama. Obama was smart and ran on "Hope and Change", not "tax everyone to death and government takeover".
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  6. Sanders-Force others to work while he lives in his three homes.
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  7. Lord Crump, I am a PhD candidate. All Bernie has done is run his mouth promising to give away other people's money. Anyone can do that. When he is pushed on the issues he falls apart and deflects because he does not take time to understand them. Look at the Cruz vs Sanders debate. Bernie was not prepared at all and admitted he has no idea how a business functions. Also, he is forcing others to work. When people refuse to work under socialism he will force others to work.
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  8. Alonso, what was wrong with bringing up Ted Cruz? Also, Paul Ryan sleeps in a cot in his DC office. Why can't Bernie?
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  9. d1nonlyd ars, Trump was not pushing to tax the rich. Bernie ran a campaign on how some people have too much wealth. Meanwhile, Bernie owns three homes and has never produced anything in his life.
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  10. QuestionEverything, if the Walton family wants to do well than why should you care? The Walton family at least gave people jobs. How many jobs has Bernie created? Zero. Also, I want high quality healthcare for all, and people to be educated, and high wages. I push for those things by opposing Bernie. I push for those things by working in society, not standing on stage saying that rich people have too much money and we need to tax them.
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  11. Praxis, never said that. Should Bernie own a home? Sure. Three? No. He ran a campaign on how the rich are getting richer and that is wrong. Meanwhile, he is getting richer as well selling his book he wrote in Walmart.
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  12. "Akin to saying at least slave owners gave their slaves jobs." Slaves were forced to work. Nobody is forcing those Walmart employees to work at Walmart. "axing the rich even less than they are now will cause one of two things, public services will be cut, or everyone else has to pay more." You can cut federal programs and make the more local. You can micromanage programs easier doing that thus save money.
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  13. "What a ridiculous comparison. First all, Bernie doesn't run a business." I can tell. "Second, the Walton Family gives people low-wage jobs and their employees have to go on welfare to survive." They didn't have to employ anyone. They can shut down many stores leaving more people without jobs. Having a job is better than nothing. It isn't Walmart's fault their employees have to go on Welfare. All Walmart did was offer them a job in which they did not have to do. What does Bernie do? He preaches the idea of holding a gun to people's head forcing them to do things. And he became rich doing it while doing nothing else in his life. He is a great example of why we need term limits in congress. If Bernie was forced to leave office he would have to find a job in the market and produce. However, he hasn't. "What's the point of all the jobs that Walmart has created if people can't even live a decent life on those jobs." What is a "decent life"? That is vague. Next, again, they did not have to offer them a job at all. Now they are earning $0. "If you want high quality healthcare then you can go right over to Canada, where they have a quality single payer system: exactly the kind of system Bernie wants to implement here. And guess what? Their health outcomes are better than ours." That is simply not true. When you run through the numbers very little indicates they are doing better. Even at that they are a completely different culture. https://www.aei.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/-the-business-of-health_110115929760.pdf "By opposing Bernie's plans, you're actually making your life and life of every American unnecessarily harder. " Not true. "You still have not explained how Bernie is forcing people to work so that probably means it was bullshit like everything else you said." Under Bernie's America why work hard in becoming a doctor or professor? I am a PhD candidate myself and it is a lot of stress. However, if Bernie promises you Living wages Healthcare Retirement Paid vacation Paid maternity And so on no matter what job you worked, why work hard? Why not work at McDonalds full time? When people decide to do that as opposed to becoming doctors, professors, nurses, researchers, how do you improve our country? How do you provide healthcare to all when we lack workers? Why work construction to build infrastructure when you can work at McDonalds instead? At that point you will have to force people to work. "I also don't know what you mean by working in society. I work too, but I also want all the same things that Bernie wants" What is your job? "The taxes that rich people pay in addition to everybody else funds your schools, roads, utilities, etc." All of which are ran locally. 84% of funding for schools is local, 8% is federal, 8% if private. 3/4 of funding for roads is local. Utilities are local. Also, if you do not have any teachers or if people refuse to build a road, how do you get it done? We lack teachers in our schools "What people like me are saying is those taxes should also be used to fund things that every other developed country has like universal healthcare so that you're not paying sky-high healthcare premiums every month" Again, those programs are localized. Healthcare is 1/6 of our economy and the federal government already pays around $1 trillion in healthcare. Despite it being expensive our quality is high and we lead the world in research and innovation of healthcare. "Everything that you're writing appears to just be typical right-wing talking points." How? "you're obviously not a PhD candidate. A PhD candidate wouldn't feel the need to tell random people in youtube comments to validate themselves. " People have called me an idiot on these comment threads. I bring up my credentials to show I am not an idiot. I brought it up here because Lord Crump said that Bernie works harder than me. However, I am pursuing a PhD in physical chemistry. I work very hard. I understand the stress involved. I do so to live a better life.
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  14. "each Congressman owns at least two properties" Depends. Paul Ryan owns a lot of rentals. He sleeps in a cot in his DC office. But the point is that Bernie ran on the idea that the rich were getting richer. Trump ran on the idea that politicians, like Bernie, are getting richer while everyone else suffers. " your desperate attempts at character assassination are pathetic" Not so. Why does Bernie get to own three home? " it's wrong to point out facts like the growing wealth inequality in developed countries?" There has always been wealth inequality. Learn what wealth is. Wealth inequality is not bad. A person in Ethiopia with no debt has more wealth than me because I have loans which means I have negative wealth. Now who is better off?
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  15. " Bernie has created many jobs as evidenced by his staff." So more jobs funded by tax dollars. " the quality of American medicine is total garbage for a developed country, " Not true, the US has the best in the world. " you're "opposing" Bernie by trolling and b!tching online, and expect that to have a measurable outcome? " He lost, Trump won. It is enjoyment at this point see people act delusional. "too bad your garbage economic policies would make America less educated, health care more expensive, and wages even lower than they already are." Not true.
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  16. " giving people those perks would make them want to work at McDonald's? funny, because Australia, the UK, Canada, France, and other countries with those policies still have doctors, nurses, engineers, and researchers, along with McDonald's workers." Except, they don't have what Bernie wants. Also, we produce more than many of those countries. Not too long ago there were capitalist. Now they are starting to regress with their expanded socialist programs. Read the book "Debunking Utopia".
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  17. " jobs funded by taxes are still jobs" Sure, but how much do they produce? Bernie has nothing to lose in hiring those people as he is not investing his money but other people's money. "American medicine is best in the world at killing people when they're babies. best in quality? not a chance." The US has the best quality of medicine.
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  18. proud american, that is what is sad. Bernie supporters complain about how the federal government is corrupt, but support Bernie in pushing to give those same politicians power to run healthcare and education. They are similar to the spouse in an abusive relationship. They complain about it but refuse to leave.
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  19. Praxis, jobs have value. A problem with government jobs is that they provide little value however the people working them earn a lot. I can dig holes in a desert, that is a job. How how much should I get paid? Bernie hiring people to do jobs that are not necessary is a waste of resources. " best quality according to which study? oh wait, they all rank American medicine as mediocre and on par with that of third world countries. sad!" Here is a good study https://www.aei.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/-the-business-of-health_110115929760.pdf
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  20. Justin, here is a good source to read up on healthcare https://www.aei.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/-the-business-of-health_110115929760.pdf Also, the vast majority in the US have access to care. If you include ER visits basically everyone has access. Other countries ration their care. The fact is that we lack resources, every country does. The advantage of the US system is that we produce. A reason why drugs are expensive is to not only pay for the R&D of that drug, but the many drugs that never reach the market. The human body and diseases are complex. And unless you do not support the theory of evolution, diseases evolve. That means new drugs are needed. And many develop do not reach the market for many reasons. However, it is the multiple failures that allows us to find a good one. There are other reasons why healthcare is expensive that is tied to the federal government. However, if you push for the system other countries have healthcare nationwide, and worldwide, will regress.
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  21. " Ask yourself a simple question, Can the average Canadian ACCESS healthcare when placed against an Average American?" In Canada people lack access to care as well. A colleague of mine had to transfer his cousin to the US from Canada to get open heart surgery. My colleague could not get knee surgery in Canada. Saying "access" is on paper only. Compare it to K-12 education. All 50 states offer it to all students. However, do students in rural North Nodaway high school in Missouri receive the same education as say Stevenson High School in Illinois? In NNHS they did not have a physics or calculus teacher, at least when I lived in that area. However, on paper those students receive a high school diploma much like graduates from Stevenson High School. They all had "access". "The answer is everyone in Canada who needs healthcare gets it " Again, not true. "in the USA people die from easily preventable and treatable diseases OR get themselves into medical debt." People die in other countries because of shortcomings in their systems. "I'm sure that ONE Canadian politician can AFFORD to pay out of pocket. The majority of Americans can't, that's the difference" Most Americans can afford it though. That is why healthcare reform is so hard to pass.
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  22. Praxis, government jobs are funded by tax dollars. That is not to say they are worthless. Many are needed. However, in the end, they are paid for by an entity that is not risking their own money. Private jobs are created by people risking their own money. Government jobs can just raise taxes or the debt ceiling. As for that study I linked you, it is by two professors. They give all of their sources and methods for you to read and criticize. So what is wrong with it? How about you give me actual study as you have not produced any.
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  23. " adopting the systems of countries with better health care than America will somehow cause us to regress? " Those countries are not better than the US. Also, you are ignoring many variables. It isn't that simple. However you cannot even read a 180 page book. " people in other countries don't die from lack of access to health care." Yes they do. Here are two stories. http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/woman-dies-tumour-migraine-edinburgh-stephanie-dickson-a7555711.html http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2486789/Natasha-16-complained-headaches-She-died-13-doctors-failed-diagnose-brain-tumour.html And you can find more if you want. You know why the just passed them off? Because they lack resources. A headache is not major so they just passed them off. In the US we would have given them options to seek further care. They were not given that option in the UK because of lack of resources, so they died.
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  24. "pretty much every health organization says otherwise. " Who? And what are their reasoning? I showed you how the Common Wealth Fund is a flawed source. "clearly, you're ignoring reality and facts." I have read your sources, here "First, as described above, our sensitivity analyses suggest that the overall country rankings are somewhat sensitive to small changes in the data or indicators included in the analysis. " Which is what that book I linked you shows making any ranking arbitrary. Your source immediately reveals that minor changes in the variables can lead to different results in the ranking. "Third, we base our assessment of overall health system performance on five domains—Care Process, Access, Administrative Efficiency, Equity, and Health Care Outcomes—which we weight equally in calculating each countries’ overall performance score. " Why did they weigh them equally? That is arbitrary. "The Commonwealth Fund surveys offer unique and detailed data on the experiences of patients and primary care physicians. However, they do not capture important dimensions that might be obtained from medical records or administrative data. Furthermore, patients’ and physicians’ assessments might be affected by their expectations, which could differ by country and culture." As mentioned in that article I linked, they surveyed patients where it is subjective at that point. That is unreliable. Also, they used a phone survey which has many flaws. Mainly the flaws are that you cannot see a person's expression in how they respond to certain questions nor you can't determine if the person on the other side of the line telling the truth. I have a review article I can link you later if you want on my work computer. I am on my home computer. But as a whole the survey is not reliable. Also, I read your sources and critique them. Why are you not reading mine? And you are the one who says I am ignoring reality and facts? "both of those people died from misdiagnoses, not lack of access to health care" No, they died because of lack of access. In the US they will push for more testing to find things like that. When I hurt my knee I received an x-ray. The doctor said it was most likely a dislocation, but they still gave me an MRI to see if it was worse. It wasn't, but the test was still done. In the US those girls would have been given the option for more testing to find cases like that. In other countries they won't because they ration care.
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  25. "There are a million ways I could debunk what you just said but I am tired of this conversation as it is reaching nowhere" If there are a million ways than why not mention a few? These comments do not take long to write. It seems like you cannot admit defeat. I read sources people provide me and break them down. I read what others write and give my counter argument. You can't seem to do that. "and make logical fallacies backed by faulty research all day long " What logical fallacies did I make? And how is the research flawed? Read it and break it down. That is how you learn about these issues. You read multiple sources and think about them. Argue against them if you think they are wrong. Come up with original thought. Right now you, along with Praxis, are repeating the same things ultra leftists do without question. "won't stop the vast majority of Americans from fighting from getting money out of politics, getting a better health, education and tax system AND WINNING in the long run. " Almost half of voters voted for Trump. Republicans control most of the offices. The people Bernie did not want to win has won. Your ideas are not doing well. People are for a better system and they realize that they are not going to get it through Bernie's policies. "You can try to reason with them all day and show them reputable research " So far I was given one "study" in which I have read (I have read it in the past) and gave my opinion on it while quoting from it. I give you guys a book to read and none of you read it. That is a problem. I read sources people give me. You should as well. That is how you learn about these topics. That is how you become intelligent. We can disagree, but if you refuse to read other sources I can't take your opinion seriously.
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  26. "Can the average American access the healthcare that they need without putting themselves into medical bankruptcy or debt? Medical bankruptcies aren't a thing in Canada, or England or Australia." In those countries people die because of lower quality care. You get what you pay for. I linked two stories of that happening. Sure, healthcare is expensive, but our quality is high. You are complaining about cost, but I rather be bankrupt than dead. Also, pointing to bankruptcy is flawed. People who are poor are at high risk of going bankrupt to begin with. If not healthcare it will be something else. Other countries have high bankruptcy rates as well while still having universal healthcare. http://world.edu/bankruptcy-rates-around-the-world/ And when you break it down by state some states have low bankruptcy rates http://www.worldatlas.com/articles/highest-personal-bankruptcy-rates-in-the-us-by-state.html Bankruptcy is a problem of the poor. It happens with or without our current healthcare system. Not saying what goes on in the US isn't a problem. It is. However, it is not as extreme as you make it out to be. To expand, name me one country that is 90+ million people and a successful economy along with single payer healthcare? You can't. Japan comes close, but they have massive debt and problems http://www.worldatlas.com/articles/top-20-countries-with-the-biggest-public-debt.html https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2017/02/19/national/japans-buckling-health-care-system-crossroads/#.WbVxrdGQyUk So you keep pointing at bankruptcy when there are many variables involved. "Of course, you can't be convinced, you've been programmed to think that government is always bad while benefiting from programs that said government produces." Government has never given me healthcare, doctors have. If you want to talk about other programs government produces than we can. I never said government was all bad. There is a desire to have government. However, we have to keep it as local as possible to control it. That is another discussion if you want to have it.
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  27. GWS, when Obama won the Tea Party rallied and took over offices in congress. When Bernie lost I am not seeing that from his supporters. Sure, people like Kyle created Justice Democrats, but who is running from that crowd? No. I don't see any names and it has been almost a year since Trump won. All I hear from them is complaining.
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  28. "nobody's reading 180 pages of pro-corporate propaganda" Why not? It gives alternative viewpoints on the subject. Do you want to live in a bubble your entire life? I was asked to read "Shock Doctrine", a 600+ page book for class. I disagreed with it but read it and wrote an essay on it give my counter arguments. I cited the book and received an A on the paper. I read the 600+ page book. Now you may say "it was for a class". Several people in the class didn't and it showed. However, they all still received passing grades. So in the end I knew I did not have to read the whole thing but I still did. "either provide a short, concise study " This is a complex issue. A "short" study is not enough at times. However, if you just read chapter 1 of that book it shows how life expectancy can change.
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  29. "gerrymandering, voter suppression, Democratic ineptitude, and American stupidity are the reasons Republicans are in power right now" That is your opinion. It could be that the country is full of independents that swing back and fourth. After 8 years of Obama, and government overreach in healthcare, people do not want more of that so they swung the other way. "their ideas are actually extremely unpopular" How so? They won. Also, you just said Americans are stupid. Maybe we shouldn't take their opinions seriously. "nobody outside of the 1% wants to cut taxes on the rich or reduce environmental regulations." Not true. People like tax cuts. And we do have too many regulations. There is a desire to cut back and lower taxes.
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  30. "You just undermined your argument! Governments do not give healthcare! Doctor's do." I agree. "So by your own admission, anecdotal evidence of people dying under single-payer systems is as a result of faulty medical diagnosis." When a doctor is overworked and lack resources they will not give out that much care. When I pay for something our of pocket I will demand a better product. Thus doctors will give out better care. However, when the government pays for it the doctors always have a guaranteed money stream no matter what quality they give due to shortages in doctors. So the quality drops. So yes, those people died as a result of single payer healthcare.
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  31. "Where's your evidence that doctors in Canada, the UK and Australia are overworked" The fact that they ration care. They do that because they are overworked. As with the stories I showed you, they refused to do more tests because they do not have time. "I can't believe this bs, so people aren't dying under our system, " People die for many reasons, and yes, people die in our system as well. I never said our system didn't have problems. It does. However, when you see multiple doctors and still die, that is a problem. "At least in single payer health systems they have access to care and DON'T have too seek charity" They just die even after seeing a doctor.
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  32. California rejected single payer because it would have cost $400 billion, more than twice the state's budget. Charities are done by choice, not but force. If you feel the charity is not worth something you can choose not to donate. I feel the government is inefficient, however I am still forced to pay.
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  33. ""Money has to come from somewhere" I agree. Let's cut our defense budget and corporate loopholes" The defense budget is around 3% of GDP. Healthcare is around 1/6 of GDP. The federal government already spends more healthcare than it does defense. It spends around $1 trillion on healthcare. How do you expect to pay for healthcare by cutting defense? For an econ major your math is rather poor.
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  34. "because pro-corporate propaganda isn't a "different viewpoint," it's meaningless drivel designed to push an agenda. " It is a different viewpoint. If it is so bias it should be easy to debunk. You seem to be struggling with that. I read your source and gave my criticism of it. Why aren't you? Again, that book is written by two professors, they cite all of their sources, many that are peer reviewed, and give all of their methods. "bringing up anything from AEI in a conversation about health care is akin to bringing up creationist literature in a conversation about evolution. " Poor analogy. Again, that book cites peer reviewed work. So what is wrong with it? If it is so bad you should be able to easily debunk it. " a short, simple study is more than enough to show how the health care systems of different countries compare to one another. " Not true. This is a complicate issue. People earn their PhDs studying this topic. Prof. Robert Ohsfeldt has a career studying the issue and is a department chair. You point to a "short, simple study" because you refuse to look deeper into the issue. Again, people earn doctorates studying this issue. " more of a fact than an opinion. red states are being found guilty left and right of gerrymandering districts and writing draconian voter ID laws meant to suppress voting among minorities" Again, not true. Gerrymandering exists on both sides. That is not necessarily bad as people move and society changes. And no, "red states" are not oppressing minorities. You are the one who feel minorities are too stupid to get an ID. "h, and the broken Electoral College " The Electoral College is not broken. It is there based on the design of this country. Nothing at the federal level has ever been determined by a simple majority of the people. The federal government serves the states, thus with the EC that is how states vote. " a lot of Americans are certainly stupid" You surely think minorities are stupid as you feel they are not able to get a simple ID. Also, I see projection in that comment. I give you a book you read and you refuse. You give me a "short, simple study" that I easily read on a complex issue and showed how it is flawed.
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  35. "for someone in your field, your understand of medicine and health care is incredibly poor." Says the person who just looks at "short, simple studies". Again, people get doctorates studying this field. It takes almost a decade to earn a PhD or any doctorate in general. I guess I am doing it all wrong. I guess for my PhD I should just submit a "short, simple study" as opposed to a 200+ page thesis.
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  36. "Again you're being purposely obtuse. HEALTHCARE IS RATIONED IN THE USA. It is rationed based on the size of your wallet. " That is not called rationing, that is called the market. Rationing is something that is forced. The market is will push to create more when there is demand. Not government as it just rations it out. So there is a big difference. In the market I pay what I feel something is worth. The other day I had a nasty bug bite that was infected. After some research online, and talking to one of my former students who is a nursing major, I decided not to go to the doctor. Now the doctor visit would have been free because of my insurance, and my antibiotics I would have received would have been around $10. However, I decided to save my money and time. However, if I want to receive care I easily can and not be placed on a waiting list and have it rationed by force. I see the doctor for routine checkups. I just walk in, go in, and leave. A 30 minute wait time at most. "You just contradicted yourself again. Whether it's Obamacare or single payer there is anecdotal evidence of people dying from the wrong medical diagnosis." It is in less occurrence in the US. "AGAIN, show me the evidence of people dying en-mass from poor healthcare in Canada or the UK or Australia" It is there. People are being turned away because of lack of resources. "While there is widely documented evidence that as high as 45000 people per year die from a lack of access to healthcare or health insurance in the USA" That number is very deceptive. Not saying it isn't something we should consider. And no system is ideal. The US system has problems, I admit to that. However, to say that in other countries people do not die due to shortcomings is pure ignorance. Sure, you can say that no one in other countries die because of lack of access because on paper everyone has access. However, if what you have access to is of poor quality, what is the difference? Back to my comparison of high school education, a student from North Nodaway High School in Missouri has "access" to a high school education just like someone from Stevenson High School in IL has access to a high school education. However, in NNHS they do not have AP or honors courses. They do not have a calculus and physics teacher. They do not receive the same quality of education. However, on paper they both have "access" to a high school education. Also, for someone with an econ degree you love to just throw out numbers without deciding what they mean. 45,000 people is around 0.02% of the overall population. Those people are generally poor who have poor health to begin with. Poor people have a higher rate of obesity and diabetes due to poor life choices. To say they die simply because of lack of access is simply not true. Next, as I said, no system is ideal. Compare that number to the 35,000 that die in traffic accidents a year. Should we ban driving so save those lives? Or do we allow driving knowing that in doing so society benefits a lot at the cost of 35,000 lives a year? Everything comes at a cost. In economics that is calls "opportunity cost". Allowing people to drive behooves society greatly despite the 35,000 lives it cost. Also, in many cases those deaths were the individual's fault. With our healthcare system there are many benefits. Sure, 45,000 may die a year (again, you have to consider a lot of it has to be at their own fault), but there are many benefits. So you can't just throw numbers out there without giving them proper meaning.
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  37. "That's not true, the California bill presented measures that could be taken that could increase the revenue coming to the state, in order to account for the increase in spending." Not true, it cost around $400 billion and the revenue plan, at best, was going to bring in $200 billion. "It was Anthony Rendon's job to explore these measures but he blocked it out of hand because he was beholden to his Health Insurance donors who didn't want single payer to happen." Or maybe because you can't just magically come up with $200 billion. "Bear in mind that only 1 in 3 Californians are insured and have access to healthcare. " Like Texas, CA has a large immigration population from Hispanic countries who are generally poor. That plays a role. Just like how CA has the highest poverty rate and the lowest literacy rate. A large portion of it is because of their large Hispanic population. TX faces similar problems as seen with their low high school graduate percent. Again, put these numbers in proper perspective. "Under a single payer system every Californian would have access to primary care and would only have to wait on elective procedures." Again, they could not afford it. States that have tried couldn't. 80% voted against it in Colorado because they did not want to pay higher taxes. VT turned it down because it cost too much. "You assert that the government is inefficient when it comes to healthcare but fail to prove how a private system such as what we have now is more efficient." Look at LASIK, it has become better and cheaper. Our best drugs comes from the private sector. "Again you are lying. If you were able to comprehend English Zyou would have read me say that Charities are not entitled to give you there money, hence you cannot tell the poor to seek a charity when they are sick. " I never told the poor to seek out charities. But it does beg the question, if you as an individual can't fend for yourself, and you do not have any friends and family to help you, what are you worth in society? "Healthcare under our current system costs 1.38 trillion dollars, what Bernie Sanders is proposing has about the same price tag, so again you're lying. Corporate loopholes cost the federal government about 100 million a year, so cutting them would free that money up to be spent on other things." It isn't that simple. One, those corporations will move money out of the country if you tax if even more. Next, you will be increasing demand of healthcare which will raise the price. Just like the student loan program raised tuition costs. "The military got about 550 billion from discretionary and it costs at least 1.3 million a day per soldier to maintain our military operations overseas. A lot of this money is spent purcahsing tanks and fighter jets that's we don't need and on interventions that are unnecessary in the Middle East." That is also not true. And again, defense is 3% of GDP, healthcare is 1/6 of GDP. And how do you plan on making up for are lack of doctors, nurses, researchers, hospitals, etc? We lack resources. You will have to lower quality meaning I will have to wait longer. That hinders progress and production and you are forcing people who are productive to wait for "elective" procedures while others who produce little get care. And I say "elective" because elective to you is not elective to others. If I need knee surgery you may say that is "elective", but it is vital for me and my life.
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  38. proud american, my experience is that we spend a lot of resources in defense keeping peace. We work with other countries to settle conflict off of the battlefield. This has been seen where the overall defense spending across the world has been dropping. Despite the left's thoughts, we are not just going to war and wasting money on more tanks. We work with other nations.
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  39. Justin, Praxis, your problem is that you are trying to simplify a complex issue. Every system has problems, you can't admit it though. The US system is great in many ways, but it does have problems. So do other countries. But you ignore their problems by lowering the standards. You make claims that their systems are "cheaper" and that they "cover" everyone. And you throw out numbers without any comparison or analysis. That is lowering the standard by a lot. Again, on paper everyone is covered. That is on paper only. Not to be rude but this issue is too complex for you two to discuss.
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  40. Robby, the Waltons do not have to employ them at all. Also, they do pay more than the min. wage.
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  41. "Do you think it's better to have a system where some are covered and then you work on improving it, or to have everyone covered and then work on improving it" Not everyone is covered though. On paper they are, but the only reason why people are covered is because the quality is low and the care is rationed. That hinders progress. The reasons why are first, no profit motive. Next, you refuse care to people who are productive to give care to those who aren't. You bring people down. On the latter point, I am productive. I have care. If I want knee surgery I should be able to get it. After that I will go back to work and continue to be productive. With your idea I will have to wait. So while waiting my productivity drops. Now expand that across a nation of 320+ million people. That is why many of those countries lack in productivity. You don't improve a system by bringing people down. "And it's not just on paper. Everyone being covered is everyone being covered." No, it is only on paper. We lack resources. So what they do is ration care and lower the quality. " How many people die a year in those systems?" Quite a bit. If you scroll up in my comments I gave examples of people dying. " Since you're so well-informed about this subject I imagine you already know that and so support a system where everyone is covered." I want everyone to have high quality healthcare. However, I understand the reality of the situation. That is why you lower the standard and say "everyone is covered". That is your standard. You make no mention of quality, cost, production, progress, etc. You just want everyone to be "covered". Simply seeing a doctor is being "covered". But is that high quality care? When they put you on an arbitrary waiting list to where your condition can worsen, is that high quality care?
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  42. "They do have to pay them if they want people to work in their stores and warehouses" I agree, that is why the min. wage is pointless. No one will work for $2/hr these days.
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  43. "I'm talking about people who get sick or injured where death is preventable, but they die due to lack of health care." The ER cannot turn anyone away. Also, a lot of diseases are preventable. Some people just don't take care of themselves.
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  44. Robby, that is not rationing care. That is the market. Rationing is done by force. You may think I am not a good person, however, I am not the one looking to dismantle a healthcare system and making many unemployed.
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  45. No, a $50,000/hr min. wage. Everyone will be rich!
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  46. If Bernie is so popular than why did he lose? Why did the people he endorse lose? Why did republicans, who he ran against, won? People get it. Bernie is a communist and people voted against it. And yes, Bernie is using political issues as a means to the end for more power. Bernie ran for president to push his communist agenda.
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  47. I love how people deflect form the questions by calling me a troll.
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  48. Ideal Male Body, do you have a counter argument to them? Answer the questions. If Bernie is so popular than why did he lose? Why did republicans, who ran against his ideas, won?
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  49. Jonathan, Bernie is a communist http://nypost.com/2016/01/16/dont-be-fooled-by-bernie-sanders-hes-a-diehard-communist/ Also, where should I get my information/education from? Fox News instead? And no, my questions were not answered. If he is so popular why did he lose? Why do people vote against his policies and the people he endorsed?
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  50. Deez nuts, better healthcare would be taking government out of it and pushing for a free market. Republicans ran on that idea and won. You can preach for better healthcare while preaching for a free market. That is the exact opposite of Bernie's idea.
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  51. "Public option is supposed to a part of the free market " Not true as you just created a price ceiling which creates inefficiencies in the market. Also, in the competitive market the private sector pushes for better quality and lower prices. If a company charges too high people will not buy it. If the quality is poor people will not buy it.
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  52. Disentropic, I will not say I am ignorant. I want to see opposing viewpoints. I am willing to adjust my viewpoints. However, you want me to slander myself which I will not do nor make you do it unless you refuse to see opposing viewpoints.
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  53. Disentropic, I can admit when I am wrong.
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  54. "All forms of competition is supposed to a part of the free market, which includes a public option." If the people control the government who offers the public option it can be. And if the people who buy into the public option use it than it can be. "As of now, it is all private sector" We have medicare and medicaid. "but there are no better quality or lower prices." Quality if high. We do not have a free market system which is why prices are low.
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  55. Jonathan, I am impressed, you actually read something I linked go you. "I mean not to mention, most of the article just openly stated over and over again "He took trips here and there, thus a communist". Example: He stated he has Soviet flag in his office,where is the evidence he put up this flag? Any evidence? " There is another article saying it. And he went to the Soviet Union during his honeymoon during his time in office. He was clearly fascinated by the place. http://www.trevorloudon.com/2015/08/kremlin-tv-backing-bolshevik-bernie-for-president/ http://thelibertarianrepublic.com/bernie-sanders-is-a-communist-sympathizer/ "If you want to know what he is, he is a democratic socialist, which means he believes certain programs should be done by the government rather than the private market for varied reasons. " Which eventually turns into communist in development when people refuse to work. When people refuse to become doctors, professors, or build infrastructure, etc. because it is much easier live off of the government that promises you free stuff, than the government forces you to work. Bernie can call himself whatever he likes, it doesn't change the fact that he is a communist. "A communist literally is someone who believes in the saying of communism, - "a political theory derived from Karl Marx, advocating class war and leading to a society in which all property is publicly owned and each person works and is paid according to their abilities and needs." " Which is what Bernie will push for. He keeps saying "we all have to work together". If people refused to work, who will provide healthcare to all? Who will build the infrastructure? Who will provide education? Why work hard when you can work at McDonalds for a "living wage" while having healthcare, retirement, maternity leave, etc. all promised by the government? "Has never hinted nor stated that for all enterprise in the United States, a random article without any proof except he took a honey moon trip to Moscow is not evidence that he supports this ideology. " When questioned by business owners he berates them and shows he has no passion for businesses. When he talks about "the 1%" and "big corporations" he is referring to all businesses. He masks it as if he is talking about Coca-Cola or Walmart, however many small businesses will have to pay his $15/hr min. wage he can't afford. A small business owner asked him about Obamacare and providing healthcare to her workers and how she should do it. He just said she should. Gave zero advice. To him she is a business and must do what he says or fail. To which that will lead to more unemployed having to work for the government. Bernie's plan will kill businesses except for those strongly tied to the government to where we are working for the government based on our ability. Thus communism. "Get your education from either actual facts(Supporting) said by said person or shown by someone. As well as clearly peer review papers that have joint presentations throughout experiments or studies and raw statistics" I find it ironic you say that because you never do that yourself. And when I do you refuse to read those articles. You are becoming a hypocrite. But you are also the same person who could not read and understand the Coloradocare bill. You also did not know that people can be covered on healthcare can be covered by their spouse. And you believe if someone dies in a car accident it was because they had poor healthcare. Jonathan, let me ask you this. When people refuse to work hard under Bernie's America and choose to work at a fast food joint and still be promised a 1. Living wage 2. Healthcare 3. Retirement 4. Paid maternity 5. Paid vacation And so on. How do you expect to improve our country? People naturally take the path of least resistance. Why work hard on earning an advanced degree when you can work a low skilled job, which is less stress, and still live a nice life? When people refuse to work hard the government under Bernie's America will have to force them to work. But tell me, what are your thoughts on that?
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  56. Deez Nuts, for what it is worth I support a public option if we do the following 1. Keep it local to where the states or local government run it 2. Get the federal government out of healthcare 3. Abolish the payroll tax But I see many benefits to a public option and do support it.
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  57. Jen'ari-asha, I suggest you actually point out where I am wrong. Since you can't you are no better than Bernie.
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  58. Jen'ar-asha, again, what was wrong with what I said? Stop deflecting and trying to prove me wrong.
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  59. billhicks8, so in other words you can't prove where I am wrong.
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  60. Deez nuts, I can support my points. I do it all the time when people have challenged me.
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  61. Titanollante, I do not do that. You can challenge me and I will give you my thoughts in detail depending on what we discuss. I can support my ideas.
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  62. billhicks8, I come to these message boards to discuss these issues like Bernie wants people to do. However, you are acting like Bernie. When people try to discuss the issues he deflects to his communist policies. He can't defend them and neither can you. I am all for a discussion, but if you refuse to have one than I guess you are as bad as Bernie, which is why he lost.
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  63. Deez Nuts, ok First off, those quotes you say I did no not say. I do feel that less regulations and a free market will be better. However, in the end, I do not push for the vague claim you makes. For "trickle down economics", that is not an economic term. It is a phrase used by politicians and economic literates. Now "As well as complaining about taxes, everyone would hate taxes less if it goes towards something they can actually use instead of interventionist wars like your boy Trump wants to do in Venezuela." People will complain about taxes less if they see if the money is being spent well. You do that by keeping government spending as local as possible. The more local it is the easier you have to see if government is spending your money well. This is why when this country was established the only federal tax was a tax on the states, there wasn't any federal individual income tax. The reasoning behind it was that the federal government served the states. The states served the people. Thus the states and local governments taxed us and paid for programs used by us. The federal government paid for programs to benefit the states. There is a need for government and taxes, however, psychologically, people have to see if their money is benefiting them. And you have to control government. You do that by keeping it local. I find it ironic how Bernie supporters complain about a corrupt federal government, but than want it to run our healthcare. "And then there's the Red Scare you like to prop up at every single moment. Well you know a yuge trading partner of the US is the PRC, a self proclaimed communist country, and that's not changing under Trump" Which is fine. Foreign trade is the responsibility of the federal government. Domestic policies is the responsibility of the states.
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  64. Deez Nuts, Bernie wants a centralized government which will compound our issues. Most of our problems in this country stems from the federal government. At this point I feel that Bernie supporters are either 1. Fascist, as they want everyone in the US to live their way as opposed to allowing states to do what the want 2. Are lazy and they refuse to work within their own states to improve something. If you want a $15/hr min.wage, single payer, higher taxes, etc. do it at your state and local level.
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  65. "Your points now are basically big/little government (not) controlling everything." Not true. You can't label "big" or "little" government. My standard falls in the Constitution which gives powers to the states and limits government. "I feel that Bernie supporters want to control government with real civil servants by actually draining the swamp." How? With who? Give me 535 names you will put in congress. Give me names you will put in the white house. And how will you ensure that they will serve the people? You do know that there are many areas who do not want what Bernie pushes for. "With this current administration, you can clearly see tax dollars being wisely spent, right?" Not 100%, but I felt that way about previous administration and it will be worse under Bernie. However, Trump wants to lower taxes and give more power to the states which I support. "And you're being hypocritical. If communists are bad as you make them out to be, then why do business with them?" The federal government is doing business with them. Also, if it benefits our country than fine. Other countries can worry about themselves. I personally don't want communist but I am not going to intervene in other countries' business.
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  66. "re you talking about the fascist way where we use our wealth to rebuild our infrastructure, have Medicare for all, and universal education?" There are many problems with that. First take universal education. Here are the problems 1. Public education can either be the greatest thing you can offer society, or the worse. It can be bad when it become indoctrination as you are teaching impressionable minds how to think and what they know. I support a public education system, I work in it. However, it should be localized so we the people can control it. 2. How do you expect to offer college to all when we lack professors, TAs, tutors, dorms, offices, etc.? This comes down to you are only offering "universal education" on paper only and what you are offering is a very poor product. On infrastructure, that comes mostly from the state and local government. How do you plan to offer it when we lack engineers? How do you plan on doing it without hindering the economy? On Medicare for all, how do you plan to offer it when we lack doctors, nurses, researchers, etc.? Also, when you allow the government to control those programs they can control you as if you oppose them they can take those things away. That is why if you are going to have it you have to keep it local. Another issue is that you have this idea, like most leftists do, that if the government does not offer something than it will cease to exist. Why do you feel the government is the source for those programs? In many areas in the country they support republicans because they do not need government. As a whole there are arguments on both sides which is why people vote they way they do. However, you have to understand people have what they need without government. You should respect that. Leftists make arguments of "without government you have no fire department". However, fire departments are localized and 70% of fire fighters are volunteer. But in some areas there is a need for more government. Thus you should keep those programs localized. I can expand on that if you want, but bottom line is that you do not need government to provide all of those things for you. " I just want to be clear about these so-called fascist ideas we all apparently have." To be clear they are fascist because in a lot of areas in the country they do not rely on government for healthcare, education and infrastructure. So why do you want them to force you to live their way? How would you feel if people in those parts of the country came in and took away your fire department and privatized it or said it had to be ran on volunteers? You probably wouldn't like it. Well, they don't like it how they want you to use your healthcare system when they were satisfied with their system. So what did they do? They voted in Trump and republicans to take away the ACA which you wanted in the first place. They are doing to you what you did to them. "I know how invasive it is when the federal government is trying to spend tax dollars on actual things that will improve peoples' lives " For many people it is not improving their life. They were fine. They find it invasive. Please understand their position. I understand yours. I am giving you an option to do what you want at the local level to where your community can have "medicare for all" and "universal healthcare". But do not push on others as I assume you would hate if it you established "medicare for all" and the next group of politicians came in, voted by the other guys, and took it away. "This point is completely baseless, as you're calling the most engaged and activist members of the populace lazy. We already are working to make changes at the local level. We have no other choice since the system is so fundamentally corrupt." It isn't corrupt, that is how it was designed. I question if you are doing things at the local. But if you are than great. But leave it there. Do not go beyond that. I am involved in my local community as well. People should as it is much easier to see if local government is working for you. But again, keep those programs localized. You will see they are ran much better and you do not have to fear people who do not live in your community coming and messing up what you created. Again, I understand your position. Please understand other's position and understand why people despise Bernie Sanders and his policies.
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  67. To add, a problem we have in this country is that people are very myopic. You feel that Bernie's ideas are best for the people and you want to force it on others. That is fascism. However, there are people who are fine and do not support Bernie. I know it may be hard for you to understand, but people feel that way. Why do you want to force your beliefs on others? How would you feel is some church came into your town and did that to your community? How would you feel if some politicians came into your town and did that to you community? How will you feel if politicians at the federal level, 2000+ miles away from your town created laws influencing your personal life? They know nothing about your nor your community. But they are influencing it. That is how people feel about Bernie Sanders. Many people opposed him because they do not want his plans. While you may feel it is best for society, others don't. So respect their decisions. And many who oppose him are very intelligent and hard working people.
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  68. billhick8, enjoy your safe space.
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