Comments by "whyamimrpink78" (@whyamimrpink78) on "What Bernie's Campaign Did Right u0026 Wrong" video.
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@1massboy , it is radical to completely transform our current healthcare system which has many strengths. Also, Bernie's ideas are radical in that he dismisses counter arguments and never goes into details on his plans. To start, no, M4A won't be like Canada as they do not have a centralized system like Bernie wants. Next, government run healthcare systems has many issues themselves.
As for polls, the same polling data Kyle points to shows more support for Biden and his public option plan over Bernie's M4A plan. As for the 1.5 trillion dollars, not to be rude but it is sad that some people are economically illiterate but have a strong opinion on it. That money came from the Federal Reserve who control the money supply. They are doing it because, by law, banks can only hold onto 10% off their reserves. You get into a situation like we have now where people are pulling money out of the banks the banks need to get the money from somewhere. They do from the Fed as credits and it will be given back when the economy improves. It stops banks from going under which is what happened in the Great Depression.
Also, the Fed giving money to banks is temporary.
Other countries do subsidize their colleges. There is a reason why the US has the best university system in the world. Also, a huge problem with Bernie and his fans is that they just want to throw a plan out there and let everyone else pick up the pieces. With tuition free college universities will have to make major adjustment to admission, enrollment, scheduling, etc. And how will you handle the NCAA? And no, taxing Wall Street won't pay for it.
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@Zarastro54 , a lot of workers' protection comes from the free market. Ironically unions is a free market idea. Also, Bernie has nothing beyond talking points and has no details on his plans. As I said, when people had more time to do their research Bernie's ideas ended up having a lot of doubt. I will give you his talking point of wealth inequality for example. On the surface that may look bad, but when you look deeper you really question if current wealth inequality is bad at all. And if simply taxing it will actually work. In 2019 a paper entitled "Measuring Inequality" published in the Oxford Review of Economic Policy wrote this about wealth inequality
"There are a number of challenges, however, in using wealth to study inequality. First, it is illiquid, so it may not give a clear reflection of one’s immediate access to resources. Second, the easily measurable components of wealth—like financial wealth—are incomplete. Take, for example, a student. In many cases their student debt will outweigh their other financial assets, and so they will have negative financial wealth. However, we would not typically say that they are in a worse position than never having studied at all. The reason is because the student has taken on debt to accumulate human capital, which is valuable as a means to increase lifetime earnings but not typically counted as wealth. Policies designed to reduce wealth inequality could therefore have many undesirable consequences, not least redistributing away from people with zero assets towards those with negative assets. These issues could be addressed by valuing human capital, but this is difficult to do. And if we are going to include university education as an asset, then what about other forms of human and social capital, such as charisma, coordination, health, or one of many other personal assets that can have material worth? Or collective assets, like public schools, hospitals, pension funds, and sovereign wealth funds? Ultimately a comprehensive calculation of someone’s wealth is very difficult to measure."
When you consider that it makes Bernie's talking point of wealth inequality questionable. The same with other issues like healthcare, tuition free college, the min. wage etc. In 2016 during a town hall in Vegas he was asked how will he stop businesses from raising prices after he raises the min. wage. His response was the typical talking point of how no one working full time should poor. The guy had to ask the question again as Bernie did not answer it.
During a debate on healthcare against Cruz a hair salon owner asked Bernie how she can expand and afford to pay for her employees' healthcare. His response was to say that he did not know that she will have to do it. He had no desire to understand her profit margins, compare it to her competitors, full time vs part time employees, etc. When Bill Clinton was asked a similar question in 1994 by Cain Clinton responded with stats to show he took time to understand the basics how a business operates.
Reality is that Bernie has never done his research. When people have on his ideas it exposed him as a radical with no actual plan.
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@Zarastro54 , government was just as bad during that time and was bought out. So you can't say laws created safer work environments. In the end the free market does as people will refuse to work in an unsafe place. As for "slave wages" I can tell you are not an honest character in this discussion. Slaves were forced to work. No one is forcing these people to work. As for child labor in developing nations, it goes beyond law there and is an issue of culture. It is far more complex then what you are making it. But in the US it was the free market the led to safer working conditions, not law.
That passage does refute what Bernie says. As I said, Bernie has no actual details in his plans. He just shouts a talking point and makes the claim things are terrible. On wealth inequality as the passage said, it is hard to measure. One is that wealth is not liquidated. To give an example sure, Bezos may be worth billions, but that is because he has the most shares of his company. He can't just liquidate them. If he did and spent it in a frivolous way investors will see that as him being a high risk investment and will pull out making his shares worth less. As for student loans and debt, no, it does not hamper students to accumulate wealth.
"Our collective assets are being undermined all the time, be it public schools, hospitals, pensions etc., so I guess that helps explain why people are getting worse off!"
How are people worse off? They aren't. Besides, here is the reality, beyond owning a home the average person has very little wealth. The average home owner has around 60% of their wealth tied into their home. Why? Because those who have a lot of wealth are people like Bezos where most of their wealth is tied into their shares they own. A tricky issue there is that wealthy can change quickly. Simply look at the stock market for example. It isn't like it is set in stone. One reason why Bezos' shares are so valuable is because he is the major owner of them which shows investors he stands by his product. However, if he were to just liquidate them and spend it in a frivolous way investors will pull out causing the value to drop. Same in if the government were to tax it investors will see that as a waste and thus the shares of the stocks will drop. That is what makes the whole wealth inequality talking point flawed. People who shout it don't know what wealth actually is.
"Wealth isn't the only way to measure inequality, sure, but to act as though it's not a major factor simply because it is difficult to calculate is foolish"
I feel it is not a major factor. Again, Bezos is wealthy simply due to being the major share holder of his company. What are shares? It isn't food, water, oil, etc. It isn't raw materials. In many ways his wealth is very subjective in value. Just because he is worth billions does not take food out of people's mouths or take away homes. In fact, he became wealthy because he provide people an easier way to shop. Same with other wealthy people. So no, saying there is wealth inequality does not mean things are bad.
"On healthcare, switching to single payer payer specifically eliminates the concern of ALL business owners having to find a way to pay for their employees' healthcare; that alone is a major burden off her back."
Or removing the payroll tax. In fact, M4A raises the payroll tax which will cause more harm to businesses, especially those who don't pay healthcare to begin with. So no, it won't eliminate the concerns of business owners. It will actually cause more problems. A reason why employers pay their employees with healthcare insurance is because it is a tax free way to pay employees.
As for the studies saying M4A will save money, there are many flaws there. To start, all use the fact that M4A pays 40% less than private insurance and that healthcare providers will be paid less. Thus with that you have to realize quality and access will drop. Sure, under M4A we will be paying around the same as other nations do in terms of percent of GDP. But like other nations we will simply offer less care. As is the US leads the world in access to advanced testing and care and thus is superior in survival rates in advanced illnesses. Now there are arguments for and against that which highlights a very important issue with Bernie and his fan base, they refuse to have the challenging discussions. They act like you do and say "M4A will cost less" without understanding something has to give.
I will give you some cases. In the UK a few years ago a teenage girl saw over 10 doctors over many months complaining about headaches. They all said they were migraines. Finally she was offered an MRI but had to wait four months. It was a tumor. She died. If she would have been offered the MRI sooner she would be alive. In the US she would have been offered that MRI most likely on the first meeting. If not the first than the second for sure. However, here is the issue. Statistically speaking chances were that she had migraines. So you run into the issue of should we be spending limited resources on that girl and be better safe than sorry? Or should we not offer it which keeps costs down and allows resources to be allocated elsewhere? Those are the difficult topics Bernie and his fans refuse to have. Yes, we spend a lot, but that is because we offer advanced care so much to catch an issue like a tumor sooner.
Another example is with the very sick and elderly. As written in the book "Being Mortal" people seek out modern medicine to live another 5 or 10 years but will only live 5 or 10 months. Other nations, with the sick and elderly, simply just drug them up so they can pain free. In the US we push to keep them alive as long as possible. But when chances are they live only around 6 months, is it worth it? Is it worth keeping grandma alive that much longer, or the person with cancer? I just had a friend die of cancer. They pushed to keep him alive as long as possible. When I heard he had cancer I knew he was dead. But they pushed to keep him alive. He died 3 months later. Was it worth it? During his final days he was in a wheelchair and a feeding tube and in and out of hospitals when statistically he was going to die soon.
You see, you and other Bernie fans don't actually fully understand the issues and the complexity of them. You just go off of talking points. I feel it is mainly because you have no responsibilities in life. In healthcare when payment to healthcare providers is cut 40% you won't be the ones making the difficult decisions on who to provide what kind of care and having to tell patients and family that "sorry, we can't offer you that as the government won't pay for it". You refuse to understand the complexity of the issues. So no, Bernie has not details in his plans.
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@Zarastro54 , again, unions are a part of the free market. I support unions. But to say government had a strong hand is not true. It was the free market and unions. A great example was in mining where strong unions made that safer.
"hat real "choice" does someone have when a huge company has crushed all local business and is now the only place that offers minimal benefits, but you are too poor and immiserated to pack up and move to "find a better job?" There are SO many scenarios that limit people's economic mobility, and the issue is immensely more complex than "people just won't work in bad conditions;" a notion refuted by literally all of human history, but you'd rather not think of these tough issues,"
I find this ironic as I am a person who does think about these complex issues. Saying a large company squashed smaller ones is very flawed. That mainly happened in rural areas where the people there don't mind. Go into a Walmart in a rural town and go into one in a city. There are major differences. The one in a rural town is much nicer as the locals run it. Also, urbanization has been taking place where more people are moving to cities with more opportunity and jobs. So to say people are limited is not true at all. In fact, they have more opportunity than ever with technology being what it is.
"Rising suicide and addiction rates, skyrocketing personal debt, stagnant wages despite growing productivity, a shrinking middle class, 70% of Americans living paycheck to paycheck, 40% can't even afford a $400 emergency. You are in a bubble if you think everyone is doing perfectly fine. "
Wages have arguably not been stagnant. Plenty of data suggests that. Suicide rates and addiction rates are arguably going up because of the federal government ruining mental healthcare after the passage of the Community Mental Health Act of 1963. Nothing all wrong with as debt actually grows the economy through the inverted pyramid. How many of those living paycheck to paycheck do so because of poor money management? Of those 40% how many have easy access to loans or charities? What insurance do they have? What do you man by "emergency"? You claim I simplify things when you did just that. You threw a bunch of numbers at me and then went to a strong, appeal to emotion rant when so many factors influence those numbers. And as I said, some of the numbers might not be true such as wage stagnation. There is plenty of data suggesting wages have gone up.
"Of course massive debt harms people's future finances and wealth generation! Having huge debts to pay off prohibits or delays people from buying cars, houses, starting families, and contributing to the economy in general."
No it doesn't. As I said, debt does grow the economy through what is called the "inverted pyramid".
"This oft repeated assertion that "we pay more for superior care" is something that is not borne out by evidence. The US has far more annual deaths due to lack of access than anywhere else; likewise we have the worst life expectancy relative to expenditure than anyone else"
As I said, in the book "In Excellent Health" by prof. Scott Atlas he lays out how we are superior in access to advanced care and superior in survival rates in advanced illnesses. Your other points are flawed. One, amenable mortality is an issue every nation faces. So saying we have "far more annual deaths due to lack of access" is not supported by any evidence. Next, on life expectancy, many factors outside of healthcare influence it. For example, compared to other OECD nations we have the highest percentage of blacks in society where blacks, genetically, have higher rates of heart disease. That plays a role. And other nations simply live healthier life styles. You can't take a broad stat like life expectancy and make a strong conclusion.
"It would be political suicide in the UK to come out against the NHS in favor of a US style system. "
And same in the US which is why Bernie is losing so bad and why Obama lost the house after Obamacare was passed.
"I'm sure costs for some businesses might go up, however the net effect will be a reduction in cost. An Economic Policy Institute study found that single payer would most likely increase wages and job quality overall"
What about businesses that don't pay with healthcare? They will see an increase in cost. Also, payroll taxes keep wages down. That is why employers rather go through the trouble of paying with benefits as opposed to higher wages. If they pay a higher wage they have to pay a higher tax.
"The "difficult decisions" about healthcare triage already happen in our current system, and with far worse consequences than anywhere else."
How is it worse than anywhere else? As I said, other nations just let people die. They have lower survival rates as they deny advanced care compare to the US. Is that the best? As I broke down there are arguments for and against it. Is it valuable to keep someone very sick alive when chances are they will live only an extra few months? Other nations say no. We say yes. That is what our society values. You apparently don't. I will be more supportive of M4A if the people pushing for it are honest like that, in that very sick people will be told it is their time to go as opposed to doing what we do now, and that is keep them alive.
"What you described is actually particular of the private industry trying to save every penny to grow their margins. There won't be any haggling with the government with guaranteed single payer care, like you currently do with private insurance."
Private insurance does not deny care as much as people claim. Government will simply because they will refuse to pay. That is what happens in other nations. Again, we lead the world in survival rates of advanced illnesses.
" You talk about "what is worth it" when thousands of people die of preventable or treatable illnesses every year. Your scenario of cancer patients using limited resources in a futile attempt to extend their lives is not the norm and is not something borne out in the data."
Of those "thousands" that die from "preventable" diseases they have other health issues as well. As prof Katherine Baicker said, those individuals are poor and bad health is associated with being poor. So the question becomes do they die due to lack of access or due to being in bad health to begin with? Look at the current situation with this virus. People who are dying are old or very sick to begin with. People hardly die from some disease, it is a collection of issues. So bringing up those "thousands" is a flawed argument. As for the cancer patient, something has to give. Resources are limited. Other nations save money and resources by deny people with cancer care, we don't.
"For every one horror story from the UK or some other nation, someone could easily provide two from the US. Misdiagnoses are not at all something particular to the UK or countries outside the US. There is no guarantee that if recommended an MRI in the US, she'd have taken it due to cost concerns."
This was not a misdiagnoses. It was the fact that the NHS system will not cover an MRI until you choose all other cheaper options over the course of time. And how do you know cost would have been an issue? The vast majority in the US can afford that expensive treatment. That is why healthcare reform is so challenging.
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@TheBigGSN5 , they aren't. Also, on that, Bernie pointed to the Scandinavian nations saying he wants to copy their plan. Well, people looked into them and realized that he does not. They have a flat tax, a VAT tax, a 100% tax on cars, etc. They tax their citizens more. Bernie wants to tax the rich, wall street and corporations more. That is not how those nations function. Also, people have looked at the issue of culture and how their culture greatly differs from ours.
That just scratches the surface. So no, it is not the standard.
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