Comments by "whyamimrpink78" (@whyamimrpink78) on "POLL: Only 26% Of Americans Want Obamacare Repealed" video.

Kryu, if you are injured with single payer you won't get care for months.
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"The healthcare system here is so complex and hard to understand" And some people feel it is s great idea to add politics to it which then adds bureaucracy.
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Nope, the same polls that said Clinton was going to lose. Also, the same polls that says the US wants single payer healthcare even though it got destroyed in Colorado and Vermont.
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OK, medicare for all. Now how do you provide it when we lack doctors, researchers, nurses, pharmacists and other skilled workers in the medical field? Two questions I always ask that highlight why we have a healthcare problem in this country: 1. Why do so many employers pay with healthcare benefits as opposed to a higher wage? 2. Why does healthcare insurance equal healthcare?
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How are taxes going up? Also, where did they say they wanted to abolish charity?
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Wait? Didn't the polls say that Trump was going to lose to Clinton? Also, doesn't a lot of the polls Kyle cites says the US wants single payer even though it lost in both Vermont and Colorado?
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rizeagle33 It got stomped, I doubt it will even be on the ballot for at least 20 years.
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msl 2015 So that led to nearly 80% of the voters voting no?
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msl 2015 As a whole most people like their healthcare. The US system isn't that bad to begin with. Could it be improved? Yes. But to me and others that would be to keep government out of it.
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msl 2015 https://www.aei.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/-the-business-of-health_110115929760.pdf Read that book on healthcare. As one of the authors said about those rankings "Prof. Ohsfeldt acknowledges that regression was chosen for its relative simplicity for what he called his “little book project.” And he agrees that some deaths that his book attempted to remove from the life-expectancy tables might be dependent on health-care systems. “We’re not trying to say that these are the precisely correct life-expectancy estimates,” he told me. “We’re just trying to show that there are other factors that affect life-expectancy-at-birth estimates that people quote all the time.” These factors (which could also include rates obesity and smoking, also arguably the result of lifestyle choices rather than health care) call into question the value of country rankings, especially where the difference between the leading countries is often less than a year. Prof. Ohsfeldt compared the situation to college rankings where two schools with minute differences are ranked, somewhat arbitrarily." http://blogs.wsj.com/numbers/does-the-us-lead-in-life-expectancy-223/
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msl 2015 I agree, the US healthcare system could be improved on, but you can't say it is worse than other countries who also have problems. You also can't say government is the solution where to me it is the problem. The problem with healthcare, to me, can be revealed through these two questions 1. Why do so many employers pay with healthcare insurance as opposed to a higher wage? 2. Why does healthcare insurance equal healthcare?
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msl 2015 Having access to something means nothing if the quality is lower. There are advantages to universal healthcare, I will admit. As a Canadian told me it is great for very basic things as in check ups or if you are pregnant. And it is OK if you have a life threatening issue. But for something complex but not life threatening, such as knee surgery, it is terrible. Now what is best? Say I need a knee surgery. My jobs (I work two, kind of, one is a hobby but I earn money still) requires me to be on my feet and run around. If I get my knee fixed I am limited in work. I am a skilled worker and thus my contribution to the economy goes away. Now multiply that on the massive scale to where people like that can't get fixed because someone who isn't as skilled get care because their injury is "life threatening". Now you are holding the economy down. I am not saying the solution is easy. I am saying that your assumption of universal healthcare being so great is not correct. It has flaws and that book points them out.
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msl 2015 "I am by no means saying single payer is a perfect system but is is far superior to anything that's been tried in this country." Not really.
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msl 2015 That is very similar here. Obama pushed for universal healthcare in the election in 2008 had the hardest time getting 60 senate democrats to pass a bill. The reason why is that people don't like radical change away form the status quo. Canada has what they have and people will oppose major change. Same with the US .
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msl 2015 Even at that it still would not have passed.
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Kryu Alexithemia "And if you're injured without single payer you can still be denied care for months" Not if you have insurance. And there is no incentive to fix a problem under single payer.
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Kryu Alexithemia So if you are poor you don't get certain things? That is a new concept to you? Or, we can go single payer to where if you are middle class you get the same service as the poor does. Is that really the best system?
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Kryu Alexithemia And that could be an advantage to single payer. At the same time productivity as a whole could drop leading to deaths elsewhere. For example, say I hurt my knee. I can no longer work as much as I do because I have a bad knee. I am a skilled worker and my productivity will drop. I will have to wait months for my care while someone who is poor gets care because their situation is "life threatening". Now expand that to a country of 320+ million. So while someone who is poor does not die, someone who is productive in society will be lost in the economy for a while. Does society as a whole benefit then? People die, that is a part of life. We have to see what is best overall. What is more cruel and inhumane? Letting one person die or an entire society suffer?
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Kryu Alexithemia https://www.aei.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/-the-business-of-health_110115929760.pdf Read that book on healthcare. You will see other countries have problems and are not necessarily better.
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