Comments by "whyamimrpink78" (@whyamimrpink78) on "Bernie Goes To Canada For Medicine With Desperate Americans" video.

  1.  @robertpresley1503  , a problem with the far left is they are unwilling to have the difficult conversations on these complex issues.
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  2.  @theuniversedoesntcare  , glad someone here does. Reality is that people like Bernie and Kyle are not telling the full story, or simply don't know the full story.
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  3. @UCyqbBdRf-Hc_Rpnr3n-kI4A ,every system has flaws. In Canada people are dying due to being denied heart surgery. In the UK people are going blind due to being denied eye surgery. The problem with the far left in the US is that don't realize something has to give if we establish a universal healthcare system where basic things like insulin are lower in price. One reason why insulin is so expensive because it helps offset the cost of our R&D and also advance care in the US. Reality is that something has to give. If you push for a Canadian like system there will have to be sacrifices. People like Kyle and Bernie are not telling you the full story.
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  4. It is unless you lower the quality of our current care.
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  5.  @tedg1278  , in order for M4A to be cheaper you will have to do a 40% less payout. When healthcare providers are earning 40% less it will result in lower quality and lower access. Also, Medicare is losing money right now, what makes you think adding tens of millions to it will now all of a sudden save money?
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  6. Universal healthcare has many flaws. Sure, insulin is cheaper in Canada, but people are dying because they are denied advanced care like heart surgery. People like Kyle and Bernie are not telling you the full story.
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  7. Insulin is basic. Universal healthcare is great for very basic things like insulin, but for advance care like heart surgery or cancer it is terrible. Something has to give. In places like Canada the drawbacks is that R&D and advance care suffer. In the US we charge things like insulin at a high price because it helps offset the cost of advanced care.
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  8.  @nyreekrikorian  , are they problems? If they are really that big of a deal and are not changing why hasn't his ideas gained traction?
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  9. How so? People die in Canada because they are denied heart surgery.
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  10.  @pumpkinspice2597  , it is the same thing. It offsets the cost of advance care and R&D. Also, we don't have a free market system in healthcare. We have a heavily regulated and subsidized system which drives up the prices.
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  11.  @1rony230  , no, the private sector funds most of the R&D. Even if they did the money has to come from somewhere. I told you why it cost less in the US, it offsets our R&D and our advanced care we offer. The problem with the far left is that they look at the positives of a universal healthcare system but ignore the negatives. You have to be completely honest if you want to obtain M4A, problem is that people like Bernie aren't which is why he is not gaining support.
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  12. @UCyqbBdRf-Hc_Rpnr3n-kI4A , ok, but at what cost? Less medicine for other people with more challenging diseases?
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  13.  @pumpkinspice2597  https://mises.org/wire/how-government-regulations-made-healthcare-so-expensive
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  14.  @The_Gallowglass  , exactly. Sure, people who are poor have access to care, but at what cost? People are denied care on advanced issues like cancer and heart surgery. Far leftists here have no desire to have difficult conversations on this issue and look at the full story. Maybe M4A and capping the price on things like insulin is a better system, but it will come at a cost. To set a price ceiling on drugs and not expect some changes in how our healthcare system functions is an economy fallacy.
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  15.  @Spad68  , I know a Canadian who had to bring his cousin to the states to receive heart surgery. This same guy was denied knee surgery and he had to receive it in the states.
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  16.  @1rony230  , what bullshit? I said it is possible that M4A and setting a price ceiling might be the best option, but it will come at a cost. Something has to give. If you capped the price of drugs what do you think will happen? How do you think pharmaceutical companies will act?
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  17.  @user1138  , other nations have many shortcomings as well. When you break it down they are on par with us.
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  18.  meg50  , universal healthcare is great for very basic care such as being pregnant. But it is at the expense of advanced care. What happens in Canada is people are denied advanced are like heart surgery and die. So what do you want? Do you want to give the poor healthcare and allow the very sick to die? This is referred to as "opportunity cost" in economics.
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  19.  @wrath_of_thrawn2163  , same thing happens with people coming to the US to get care, what's your point? Define "life threatening". People die in Canada being denied heart surgery. Cancer survival rates are lower in the UK. M4A is far left.
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  20.  @TheHuxleyAgnostic  , true, and this is where the complexity of healthcare exists and the difficult discussions the far left does not want to seem to have. They feel we can have M4A, with the government capping prices, and still have the same quality we have now.
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  21.  @user1138  , Japan has problems in their healthcare system as well.
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  22.  @1rony230  , yes, how will those companies react? You feel they will be willing to take a pay cut when you cap prices. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2560551/ Being "covered" is completely different than having access to care.
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  23.  @CaptnCrunch247  https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2560551/ I have piles of evidence on healthcare. I find the issue interesting. The reality is this, the far let has no desire to have difficult conversations on this issue. They feel that we can pass M4A, cap prices, and have the same quality and access to advanced care that we have now. That isn't how it works.
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  24.  @johndelosa2666  , so when I cite books and studies I am stupid? But when Kyle talks in a funny voice he is smart?
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  25.  @kennethmcneil3478  , what is incorrect in that source? You are pulling a logical fallacy.
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  26.  @kennethmcneil3478  , ok, what was wrong with what they said? Here, I will pull the same standard you did. Kyle is a far leftists, Bernie is a far leftist, they can't be trusted.
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  27.  @AbrahamsYTC  , M4A may be better, but it will come at a cost. I don't hear these difficult conversations coming from the far left. For M4A to work you have to have discussions on what is "basic care", at what point do you decide to stop paying for healthcare? There has to be discussions of death panels? Take Canada, they deny people heart surgery. Most are elderly and they end up dying. I agree M4A will help those in poverty, but should we help them? Where in nations like Canada the elderly suffer, and one can say they are old and their time is close. In the book "Being Mortal" that is discussed. But in the US the poor have higher rates of obesity, type II diabetes and smoking and are typically not that productive to begin with, so should we help them as well? These are difficult conversations that need to be had. The problem with the far left is that they refuse to have them. They feel M4A will create a utopia system when it won't.
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  28.  @user1138  , the cost are cheap because they lack in advanced care. For example, people are going blind because they are denying eye surgery. Something has to give. That is the reality. Resources are limited.
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  29.  @TheHuxleyAgnostic  , I agree, we do have people dying, but you can't ignore the negatives in other systems as well.
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  30.  @AbrahamsYTC  , ok, personal story, I had a knee injury. After seeing a doctor and getting an x-ray they said it was dislocated, but they decided to do an MRI. Was it necessary? Probably not, but I am glad they did. It made me feel good that I did not have any tears. In other nations they would not have offered that.
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  31.  @JohnnyCageRock  , I gave a study. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2560551/ Even if it is malpractice it is still a major flaw in the system.
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  32.  @JanglesPrime999  , so when I bring up a flaw in the Canadian system you simply tell me to "fuck off"? This is the problem with the far left, they are not willing to have the difficult conversations. There are many flaws in the Canadian system. There is no utopia system. How do you correct that flaw in people dying by being denied surgery? You have to raise prices as the money has to come from somewhere. There is a strong debate that experts have all the time. Here http://keithhennessey.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/Kate-Baicker.pdf Read that from an actual expert. Not from a politician like Bernie and not an economic illiterate like Kyle.
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  33.  @ZoDiAcEnIgMa  , that is not true. They prioritize based on need as well in the US.
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  34.  meg50  , so what study will not be too old? That is the reality, I can provide more if you want. And yes, Canada had to restructure their healthcare system. They had to start allowing private companies in because of lack of access http://keithhennessey.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/Kate-Baicker.pdf "The private facilities that have sprung up in Canada to meet the demands of those who want more health care than the public system provides fundamentally undermine the “single payer” nature of the system."
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  35.  @progressivesupporter8126  , not true. Most of the development is from the private sector. Research in universities hardly produces anything. I have an NIH grant and my work does not directly produce any drug.
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  36.  @silverceleste7260  , to start, what makes the Commonwealth Fund credible? It is a private organization with a motive. Next, do you even know how they developed that ranking? I feel you are just blindly following it without question. Next, you say this " 40 thousand Americans die every year due to lacking that health insurance" People die in every nation due to lack of access to healthcare. The issue with those 40,000 is that they are poor, and as prof. Katherine Baicker said, bad health is associated with being poor, so the question becomes do they die due to lack of access or due to being in bad health to begin with? You really can't tell. You say I am dishonest when the reality is that I clearly know more about this issue more than you do and I am willing to have the difficult conversations. You take this complex issue and reduce it down to one empty stat and an arbitrary ranking that I doubt you even know how they developed it.
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  37.  @tedg1278  , Medicare pays 40% less, that is a fact.
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  38.  @silverceleste7260  , ok, I will give you criticism of the source. To start, they admit the US is number one in cancer survival rates, but they don't factor that in in their ranking. Next, they used amenable mortality to create their ranking despite the shortcomings there https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20823843 https://jech.bmj.com/content/67/2/139 They also used DALE. What does that stand for? They don't say. Clumsy on their part. It stands for Disability Adjusted Life Expectancy. I had to dig for that one as they did not say that in their report. Many factors outside of healthcare influence life expectancy. For example, if you remove car accidents and murders the US is number one in life expectancy. http://www.aei.org/publication/the-business-of-health/ As for the WHO, it was criticized so much that they have not developed another ranking in nearly 20 years. The onus is on you to convince me how these organizations are credible. How many academic sources develop rankings? Zero. My criticism on the left on this issue is that they do feel universal healthcare systems are perfect and refuse to have actual discussions on this issue. They instead do what you do and throw a ranking with no actual idea how it is developed. Also, Kyle has said many times that no one dies due to lack of access to healthcare in other nations which is simply not true. You say I should not be trusted when I guarantee you I know more about this issue than you do.
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  39.  @tedg1278  https://www.mercatus.org/system/files/blahous-costs-medicare-mercatus-working-paper-v1_1.pdf ", and also assume that healthcare providers operating under M4A will be reimbursed at rates more than 40 percent lower than those currently paid by private health insurance." They used Bernie's plan in this study.
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  40.  @208jdog  , I have read those talking points. The problem is that when you have 40% pay cut you don't know what will happen in terms of access, in terms of quality, in terms of outcomes. Those are the difficult conversations the far left is not willing to have. They feel we can have the security financially under M4A but the same quality and access we have under the current system. It doesn't work that way. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e893Ky7iM6Y&t=274s Watch that video. The problem is that the M4A supporters are delusional and refuse to have difficult conversations nor understand the challenges involved.
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  41.  @208jdog  , saying it "works" is vague. They have shortcomings as well. Do you support reducing our quality and access to have M4A? The reality is this, universal healthcare is great very basic care and giving access to people who are poor, but fails at advanced care and giving access to people who are very sick. That is why people are dying in Canada being denied heart surgery and people are going blind in the UK being denied eye surgery. The US system is great at giving access of high quality care to the very sick, but it does come at the expense of the poor. Something has to give. What are you willing to sacrifice?
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  42. R&D is much better in the US and our advanced care is much better in the US. The high costs of basic things like insulin helps offset the cost of more advanced care we offer in the US.
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  43. Trump does have the ability to actually take on people. Bernie doesn't. He will back down when challenged.
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