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Comments by "whyamimrpink78" (@whyamimrpink78) on "Rand Paul Travels To Evil Socialized Medicine Canada For Surgery" video.

This wasn't a thought out argument. This was Kyle sounding like a fool. Ryan shopped around and this was the best option. This is the example of the free market. He is paying out of pocket and is not being subjected to any wait lines. Also, this is a specialized case where cases like these typically have it where only a handful of doctors in the world can do this. So his choices were limited. Kyle and his fans eat this up due to their ignorance. This is why people like Ann Coulter view him as irrelevant.
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@mecher3k , the doctor happens to work in Canada and by the sounds of it takes a lot of out of pocket paying patients.
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@JohnnyCageRock , yes, this is a specialized case. I suggest you actually research this story and not just go off of what Kyle says.
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@jayc5373 , this is a one case situation. You can't make a conclusion off of one situation. He shopped around and he happens to find one doctors who takes cash and that was in Canada. Now can you make a conclusion about the entire healthcare system off of this one case? No.
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@austintrigloff9562 , socialized medicine typically lowers the quality. That is why the US typically has higher survival stats compare to other nations. A free market system actually lowers prices and raises quality like it did in LASIK.
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calistorich , there wasn't any options in the US market. There were other kids of surgery available that would have helped but he wanted a specific kind. https://www.courier-journal.com/story/news/politics/2019/01/16/rand-paul-says-canada-hernia-surgery-actually-capitalism/2590986002/
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Zel Zwrd , it is a specialized case. This is actually pretty common thing that happens in healthcare.
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Zel Zwrd , so why did he go for a specialist? Also, he had broken ribs. I have a strong feeling you don't work in the healthcare sector.
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@JohnnyCageRock , hernias are big deal, plus it was more than a hernia. The center in OK did not do the specific surgery he wanted. I read the source, did you?
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The reality is this, this is how low the left has to go to push their ideas. This is one story and essentially one outlier. Consider this, private schools are typically rated better than public schools as a whole. Does that mean every private school is better than public schools? No. There are many public schools that are great. But as a whole private ones score better. Now that can be for several reasons, but there is the reality. In this case you find one story where Paul went to Canada for a specialize surgery. This is an outlier. This does not prove that Canada has a better system than the US. You just found one story. You can't make a conclusion based on that. That is like saying David Tyree should be in the hall of fame for his SB catch. It is foolish to think that way.
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@Richard Mancha , he went to a country for a specialized care. He could not receive it anywhere else. How is this so hard to understand?
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Here is another source https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/425222-rand-paul-to-have-surgery-in-canada The issue is that this hospital specializes in hernias. This is common in healthcare. Just like how Dr. James Andrews specialized in ligament damage, specifically knee repairs and thus made millions working with athletes. He was the best because that is what he essentially did. Sure, there may be other doctors out there, but not as good as him. Just like there may be other doctors who can fix a hernia, but not as good as that Canadian hospital. He went to a specialized place. This is common in healthcare where you have a place that does only one thing and does it extremely well.
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@JohnnyCageRock , read my source from the hill. That hospital specializes in hernias making them experts in it. This is not uncommon in healthcare, just like Dr. James Andrews specialized in ligament damage and professional athletes saw him for knee repair.
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@noosapaul8058 , many factors influence overall life expectancy. For example, the US has the highest obesity rates for OECD nations. We also have more african americans where the rate of heart disease is higher for them. You can't just point to overall life expectancy and use that as an indicator of healthcare. And yes, according to the Australian Institute of Health and Welfare up to 7000 people die a year waiting for elective care.
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@Richard Mancha , ligament repair is common but many turned to Dr. James Andrews. Why? Because he specializes in that and thus is the best. That is common in healthcare. Paul wanted the best so he went there.
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@JohnnyCageRock ,he had broken ribs.
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@philipnorthfield , many Canadians do come to the US. Also, the US arguably has a better healthcare system than Canada. Read the follow book https://www.hoover.org/research/excellent-health-setting-record-straight-americas-health-care I know Kyle's fans don't like to read books but I suggest you read that one, it is informative.
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@philipnorthfield , healthcare is very complex. I suggest you find more sources than Kyle on this issue. Kyle is very ignorant on the issue of healthcare.
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@philipnorthfield , healthcare rankings are arbitrary. Anyone can do a legit analysis on the stats and come up with any ranking they want.
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@Richard Mancha , Scott Atlas is a Stanford professor. I thought you leftist supported professors and the well educated?
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@Richard Mancha , you know, if you push for "tuition free college" you get professors like Scott Atlas educating our students.
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@Richard Mancha , the point being is that maybe you should read the book and develop a legit criticism of it. Pulling a logical fallacy like you did is not an argument.
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@noosapaul8058 , the point is that people die in every nation due to lack of access to healthcare. Why? Because resources are limited. No nation can provide healthcare to all, that is the reality. Healthcare is a very complex issue. I encourage you to read up on it more if you want to have a strong opinion on it.
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@Richard Mancha , so what parts of the book do you disagree with? So far you have done nothing but pull logical fallacies. That is not an argument.
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@Richard Mancha , you say "reject well established knowledge". What is that?
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Because leftists don't understand healthcare or economics. They feel this one story can settle a complex issue like healthcare.
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@Richard Mancha , what do you mean?
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@ocek2744 , so $8000 is a low price?
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@noosapaul8058 , in Australia up to 7000 people die a year waiting for "elective surgery".
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@akmal94ibrahim , in this case they do, but this is just one case.
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@philipnorthfield , healthcare rankings are completely arbitrary. Anyone can do a legit analysis on the stats and come up with any ranking they want. Do you even know how the WHO came up with that ranking? I doubt it. Also, it compares the US to nations like Malta, is that really fair? To take something as complex as healthcare and reduce it down to a simple ranking is foolish. Politicians from other nations come to the US for care, it goes both ways. Those are individuals cases. As for the 40,000 who die, that is a complex issue. To start, as Katherine Baicker puts it, those individuals are poor and bad health is associated with those in poverty. There are higher rates of obesity type II diabetes and smoking with the poor, all self inflicted. So the question becomes do they die due to lack of care or due to being in bad health to begin with? Also, people in that situation where they die that quickly typically have many health issues to begin with. Read the book "Being Mortal". In that book the author writes about how people look towards modern medicine to live another 5 or 10 years when in reality they will live another 5 or 10 months. So if those 40,000 receive care and live a few more months and than die, is that a success? Is it a success if they live those few months in agony? I read a lot of literature on this issue, I bet more so than you and Kyle combine. This is why I can get into great detail in my arguments and you just point to a ranking.
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@philipnorthfield , again, how did the WHO come up with their ranking? Also, have you even read that book? I doubt it. But you feel fit to criticize it. I have read many studies on healthcare and there are people who die in Canada while waiting for elective care. Also, I will add on those 40,000 individuals who die, just because you give them access to care does not mean they will live. A study done out of Oregon shown that when they gave access to Medicaid to people their physical health did not improve. Why? Because a lot of bad health is based on individuals lifestyle and not access to healthcare. That creates the argument on if you give them healthcare access will they even live to begin with? Do they die due to lack of care or due to being in bad health to begin with? And referring back to that book, even if they do live, will it be for a significantly longer time? Here is the study https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMsa1212321 BTW, that journal has the highest impact factor of all peer reviewed journals.
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@noosapaul8058 , they US has some form of universal healthcare as well. And no nation covers everyone. And well more than half of the US has access. And you can't say that other nations do better than the US because the US does better in many ways compared to those nations. Read the following book https://www.hoover.org/research/excellent-health-setting-record-straight-americas-health-care This situation is far more complex than the talking points you are giving.
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@ponderingnugget , you really can't use amenable mortality to determine healthcare systems as there are many factors that influence them. Read the following study https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20823843 As for the 43,000 who die, there are many arguments against that. First, just because they have access to healthcare does not mean they will end up better off. Read the following study https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMsa1212321 When they were given access to healthcare their physical health did not improve because that is strongly dependent on lifestyle choices. Those 43,000 are poor and bad health is associated with those in poverty. There are higher rates of obesity, type II diabetes and smoking with the poor all self inflicted. So the question becomes do they die due to lack of access or due to being bad health to begin with? Also, as was mentioned in the book "Being Mortal", people look towards modern medicine to live another 5 or 10 years when in reality they will only live another 5 or 10 months. So even if the receive care and live a few more months with many problems, is that a success? Single payer will not save money. The studies you are pointing to make very vague and questionable assumptions. Also, the federal government is poor at managing these issues. Look at the Community Mental Health Act of 1963 and how it made mental health in this nation worse.
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@philipnorthfield , waiting for a long time to receive care and than dying while waiting is not what I will call being "covered". Why do you have double standards?
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@deeznutsanyachin2027 https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/425222-rand-paul-to-have-surgery-in-canada "The hospital where Paul will be treated, the Shouldice Hernia Hospital, is "the only licensed hospital in the world dedicated to repairing hernias," according to its website." This is a hospital designed specifically for hernias making them very strong at what they do.
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@philipnorthfield , people are educated on preventative care in schools, they still live unhealthy lifestyles. Also, what studies? You claim there are "countless studies" but provided none.
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@deeznutsanyachin2027 , yes, there are other facilities that repair hernias. However, that one specializes in it making them the best. That is the point. It is similar to Dr.James Andrews who specializes in ligament repair. There are other doctors but he specializes in it which is why professional athletes see him. Some people specialize in things so they know everything about it. Compare it to physics. I have a physics degree so I know a lot about it. Now say I were to specialize in laser physics. Someone who specializes in plasma physics can give some details about a laser, but I would be able to give a lot more due to be being a specialist in it and I can go into greater detail. The same is here with healthcare.
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@deeznutsanyachin2027 , what talking points? I literally give sources and books for you guys to read up on healthcare. Is being educated and curious so wrong? The problem I have is how you oversimplify this issue of healthcare. It is very complex. There are many books written by experts on it. I encourage you to read them. However you refuse to. You are leading a life of ignorance. Nothing wrong with that, just don't have a strong opinion on these topics.
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@philipnorthfield , there are many factors that influence healthcare stats beyond healthcare. For example, the US is number 1 in obesity rates for OECD nations. The WHO does not adjust for that. Nor does it adjust for the fact that the US has a higher black population than other OECD nations where heart disease is higher for blacks. Boston has a long wait time due to its large population. You see that in every major city in every nation. You have a lot of people and limited resources. It is the same in how we have teacher shortages in major cities.
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@philipnorthfield , early disease detection is important, but just because people have access to healthcare does not mean they will pursue it. Also, just because they are told about their issues does not mean they will change their lifestyles. That was mentioned in that study I posted. Here it is again https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMsa1212321 There even though they were told of their issues their physical health did not change. Why? Because they did not change their lifestyles.
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@noosapaul8058 , I love the conspiracy theories going on here about me supposedly being paid. So is Kyle getting paid by some big government group?
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@noosapaul8058 , in Australia up to 7000 people die a year waiting for "elective surgery". That is according to the Australian Institute of Health and Welfare. As for 75% living paycheck to paycheck, that is arguably due to poor money management. Also, as is, around 50% of people in Australia live paycheck to paycheck, so your nation is not free from that issue either.
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@nole8923 , nice conspiracy theory you have there. So someone disagrees with you they must be a bad person getting paid by some rich dude. Well, I can say Kyle is a bad person who gets paid by some rich dude on the left. But I don't do that. I actually come with counter arguments and sources. I am not saying I am correct on these issues. I am pointing out they are far more complex than the talking points Kyle gives. Why don't you have a curious mind and read the books and studies I post? I thought the political left was supposed to be the "educated" one and supports education? Really, to me it seems like you rather have someone spoon feed things to you.
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He is paying thousands of dollars.
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@maxman4410 , I watched the video. Apparently you trust Kyle way too much. Paul is paying out of pocket and is paying thousands of dollars. Kyle just mocks Paul instead of having an actual argument. This is why people like Ann Coulter sees him as irrelevant.
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@laserramon9926 , so you find one story and this is supposed to end all arguments?
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@laserramon9926 , a lot of people end up dying in other systems. I agree, costs are a problem. To me a free market system will lower the costs.
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@laserramon9926 , we don't have a free market system. We have a heavily regulated and subsidized system.
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@laserramon9926 , we won't have a single payer system as the American people won't want the taxes and don't want to lose their doctors. Obamacare was a disaster and was repealed.
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Derek Hitt , I never said raise taxes on the rich.
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Derek Hitt , the individual mandate is gone essentially killing the law.
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Derek Hitt , that wasn't me.
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Derek Hitt , the individual mandate was the backbone of Obamacare. It they were going to force insurance companies to pick up people than they needed a guarantee customer. That is why it went to court recently.
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@magcollis2380 , he is having surgery at the only place he can receive it. This situation is completely an outlier. You do know what an outlier is?
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@dirkmcnasty8585 , he is paying out of pocket. As for slavery, he is arguing that if you make healthcare a right it forces doctors to be slaves. In Canada their legal system is different and healthcare is not a right there but a service pay for by the government. Try to look deeper on this issue and stop listening to Kyle.
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@jayc5373 , he shopped around and there wasn't anyone in the US that offers that surgery.
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@brotherted9212 , true. That is the point, this can be seen as an outlier. Picking this one case as an example of Canada has a great healthcare system is like saying David Tyree should be in the hall of fame due to his one super bowl catch.
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@laturista1000 , they can't be evaluated on case by case bases. There are outliers.
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He is paying out of pocket. This was a free market decision.
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@1neomonkey ,he is paying because there was essentially no other options. This is a specialized case and in cases like this there may be a handful of doctors in the world out there that can do this treatment. Thus his best option was in Canada. He is paying thousands of dollars and does not have to wait.
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Another video of Kyle not understanding healthcare. This was a free market decision. He shopped around and sees this as the best option. Also, this was for a specialized case where in cases like this there may be a few people in the world who can do it. So there is nothing hypocritical about this. Kyle really needs to stop talking about healthcare.
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@AmineSamus , I didn't know slaves were paid thousands of dollars.
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He is also paying out of pocket. I don't see how this is him being a hypocrite. He shopped around and found the best option, it just happened to be in Canada. This is also a specialized procedures where in most cases like this there are maybe a handful of people in the world who can do it.
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@aeroscience9834 , I didn't know slaves earned thousands of dollars.
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George Arndt , not really.
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@killerbee2562 , how so?
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