Comments by "whyamimrpink78" (@whyamimrpink78) on "California Looks To Implement Single-Payer Healthcare" video.

  1. If this is done at the state level I will have no problem with it. I tell this to liberals all the time, pass your little healthcare laws in your state. Their only rebuttal is that "red states" won't be able to do it. What makes people think that red states even want single payer?
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  2. If it is a "common sense" policy than why is there a debate?
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  3. Why can't it be supported at the state level? States already fund the majority of domestic issues such as education for example.
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  4. "Canada covers everyone" In reality they don't, they ration their care like everyone else.
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  5. GADefence, I grew up in the midwest and now live near CA. The US does have a large diversity. The culture is different in many states and people are ignorant about other states. I met many people who did not know that Kansas City was in MO. In one of my graduate courses the professor asked the class to name the largest city in Vermont, no one could do it. Utah is a Mormon state with strict alcohol laws and NV is the complete 180 of Utah with 24 hour strip clubs and 24 hour bars. I had a friend from NV who, while in a bar in CA, for the first time heard of last call. The fact is that the culture is different in each state where the US is basically 50 countries in one. What Kyle wants is no different than the federal government running healthcare with the exception of they are making the states pick up the tab. This is an issue that needs to be left up to the states, especially with how complicated the system is.
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  6. Employers pay with healthcare insurance because of the payroll tax. Instead of paying a higher wage (thus a higher tax) employers paid with healthcare insurance. Here are the problems it creates. It makes it so employees are dependent on their employer fro insurance, thus healthcare overall making it harder to quit their job. It doesn't allow for individuals to pick their own plan that suits them but instead a generic plan offered to them by their employer. That is why women pay for Viagra or men pay for contraceptives. If someone does switch jobs that means switching plans which makes it difficult due to pre-existing condition you have when you are older. And since people are not paying for themselves insurance companies can jack up prices along with healthcare providers. We don't have a free market system in healthcare. We have a for profit system with government barrier making it more expensive. We can fix the current system we have now, we just have to relax the government barriers to increase competition.
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  7. Ish, CA is the 6th largest economy because it is the largest state in the country with the largest economy. The ranking of states by GDP of the top four in order are CA, TX, NY and FL. The top for states by population are, in order, CA, TX, NY, FL. Do you see a trend? Do that for all states and you will. If CA was it's own country it will be a mess because the reality is that you are not running on your own.
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  8. Go ahead, watch your economy suffer when you have to start paying taxes to do trade with other states and have to start funding for your own defense.
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  9. The US system, compared to other countries, is fine. No need to replace it completely but instead improve on it. Canada faces problems as well.
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  10. Jason Gray, the US system works fine for the vast majority of the citizens in the US. Same with other systems in other countries. If you were to look at the states and analyze them you will see that the US is on par with the rest of the world in terms of healthcare. Does the US system have problems? Yes. But so do other countries. I have seen someone almost die using the Canadian's system and he lived because his family was able to transfer him to the US. So with that we should stick with the system we have and improve on it.
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  11. Brendan, there is no way healthcare costs less with single payer if you want to keep the same quality.
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  12. Joshua, we have a for profit system with many government barriers. We don't have a free market system though. "and has a LOWER quality system than most of Europe." That is not necessarily true. When you break it down we are on par with European countries. Even at that those countries are the size of states and run their own system.
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  13. David, it is much more complicated than that. Other countries are much smaller than the US to where we have states with larger populations than them. I can see universal healthcare possibly working at the state level, but even at that we should be asking ourselves if we should be going that route? What we have works just as well as what other countries have. Drastically changing our economy to replace our system, which has problems, with another system with problems is not a solution to me.
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  14. "what we have does not work just as well. Other countries do not have medical bankruptcies. " Yeah, people just die or not get care. "The size does not matter. " It does. Why do you think schools push for a small student to teacher ratio? Teaching a small class is much easier than teaching a larger one. Same with managing anything. Less diversity and easier to micromanage. "More people just means more contributions to universal healthcare." And more bureaucracy more diversity and more chaos leading to a dysfunctional system. "Universal healthcare a system that has been proven to work over many many decades" "Work" is a very subjective term. Slavery has worked for many years in many nations as well. "The only ones spouting nonsense about it not working (and having it parroted by people like you) are the insurance companies who fear losing their stranglehold" And many economists and experts in the field.
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  15. https://www.aei.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/-the-business-of-health_110115929760.pdf Read that book, it is full of information.
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  16. David, that book was written by two professors, one of them who is the chair of their department. They cited numerous peer reviewed journals and they explain their methods. How about you read it and criticize what they wrote. You refusing to do so displays your lack of intelligence.
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  17. David, I get my info from a lot of sources. This book is well written, cites everything and they give what their methods are so you can make your own decisions. That is how intelligent people. Ignorant people like you just plug your ears and go "la la la".
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  18. It should be left purely to the states much like education is.
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  19. Ragitsu, people say that because CA is a mess.
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  20. It is subjective. I live by CA, it is a mess. Would never live there unless I had a high paying job.
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  21. robb, states set up their own K-12 education plan and we are not having any problems. As far as for people moving states you can set up a system similar to Canada to where you need a job before you can use their system. Or what we have with colleges, you need to become a resident and abandon your previous residency in order to get in state tuition, it can be done for single payer. With states running this you can micromanage the program easier, change it easier, and it will be ran more efficiently. A federal single payer system will be extremely complex. Look at how complex Obamacare was.
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  22. ". Maybe we should have left civil rights up to the states too" All governments have restrictions as listed in the Constitution. Your fear mongering is not going to work against intelligence. Do you know what states currently run right now? K-12 education. And as a result southern states like TX and Alabama don't provide it to their citizens.......oh wait.......they do? All states do? Ok. Seems like state rights is working pretty well.
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  23. robb, people have to move to different states for several reasons. I had to for graduate school, and so did many of my colleagues. In my lab we have one from in state, four from out of state, and one from another country. My adviser is from another state. It happens. "I simply don't trust my state (a very liberal state, btw), or any state, to create a system as good as Medicare. " Medicare is losing money. It is a failing system. I don't trust the federal government to run any domestic system based on their track history consisting of failures. "There's authority at the federal level that's answerable to a national media" Really? "Being in 50 separate boats, of differing sizes, shapes, quality, commitment, etc. seems counter-intuitive" Already we are 50 different boats. You clearly have not lived in different states or traveled to different states that much. I have and see the differences.
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  24. Kyle, you are fear mongering. When someone suggests state rights you, like most ultra liberals, go to the extreme on these issues. No different than when someone suggests that there is even some problem with government than the ultra left screams "ROADS!" as if they have pocket aces. We have checks and balances and a Constitution to keep governments in check.
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  25. I live by CA and have been all across the country. Their roads are OK, nothing special. KS has the best roads in my opinion.
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  26. State by state mandated system is the exact same as a federal single payer system. Only difference is that you are forcing the states to pick up the tab. We should leave this issue up to the states. If it works than fine. If not they can change it easier at the state level. I have no problem with this at all. But Kyle's idea is not meeting in the middle.
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  27. What makes you think that other states can't afford it? And what makes you think CA can make it work? CA is not doing well economically. Their university system is poor. "Also, median income tends to be much lower in Southern states " And cost of living is lower. For example, WV is second to last in GDP per capita but is number one in home ownership rate. CA has the highest Gini coefficient in the US. The idea that southern states are doing poorly is simply not true. And to feel that they have complete republican policy is also not true. In Louisiana, for example, 2/3 of their governors have been democrat.
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  28. Masako, if we were to remove all federal taxes with the exceptions of a tax on the states and if we were to remove all federal spending except for what is listed in the Constitution, than we wouldn't have the problem of WV getting so much federal money. And you saying WV can't get anything done is not true. WV has had one of the strongest growing economies in the US despite the federal government the past 8 years under Obama attacking the coal industry. WV is doing fine. CA is a mess and basically anyone who lives there or lives by there can tell you that. Their economic growth has been low and jobs are leaving the state. Tesla decided to build their plant in NV and Toyota moved their plant from CA to TX. CA does have a lot of jobs for high skilled workers in technology and the medical field, but very little for the middle and lower class which is why they have such a high Gini coefficient. The government is messed up there and they have been trying to "fix" it for years. What makes you think they can suddenly do it now? Also, this isn't the first time CA tried to pass single payer healthcare.
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  29. Joshua, what makes you say that? Why do you want to dictate how other people act or influence their lives?
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  30. "There are more people without cover in the red states, " To start, what is a "red state"? Next, why is that the case? Look at some the states on the bottom in terms of uninsured. TX, NV, FL which all have a growing hispanic population who are poor to begin with. Mississippi is near the bottom who has a large black population who is also poor to begin with. Louisiana is near the bottom, but this comes back to what is a red state? 2/3 of their governors has been democrat. So saying that more people without cover are in red states is very vague. "when you explain single payer healthcare, and compare it with the US's current system, " When you do that you see what the US has is on par with what other countries have. Does it have problems? Yes. But so do other countries. Replacing the system we have now will mean jobs being lost and an economic decline. Even if temporary, experiencing that to simply replace a system we have now with another system with problems is not a solution to me. We should improve on what we have, not completely replace it.
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  31. "When I say red state, I mean states that primarily vote republican" Again, that is deceptive. One, you will be surprise that many states you consider to be "red" are not generally voting for republicans. Next, local politicians are different than federal ones. For example, my governor is a republican but he expanded medicaid and we legalized weed. "so states like TX, NV, and FL, who as you said have the most uninsured" NV is pretty blue. " Also, why does them being poor to begin with explain why they shouldn't have access to healthcare?" They can't afford it. "Why are we the only nation in the modern world that does not guarantee healthcare to all its citizens? " No nation guarantees it, that is impossible unless that nation is very small. "And as for the single payer vs current system argument, the NUMBER ONE reason for bankruptcy in the US, is medical bankruptcy. "" And most of those people are poor to begin with. The chances of them going bankrupt is high. "Also, people without cover in this country DIE. NO other modern nation allows its citizens to die because they couldn't afford healthcare" They just die because the care is of low quality.
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  32. " Also, I'm intrigued to know what jobs will be lost if we change the current system" For one, everyone that works at the insurance company will be laid off.
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  33. "No, the federal government should fund/heavily subsidize it, because it will need funding that no 'state' can afford." The federal government is nearly $20 trillion in debt, and just like the states the federal government has nothing unless it taxes the citizens. To think that the federal government has more revenue than the states is false and shows you lack of understanding on how this country is ran.
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  34. "and even more so the people that want to claim this 'isn't affordable' as a reason to not have it." We lack doctors, nurses, hospitals, surgeons, etc. We can't afford it because we simply lack the supply of skilled workers and resources.
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  35. "UH is working in literally every other developed fucking country around the world." And what we have in the US is working as well. So based on your argument why change it?
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  36. sorryst illtrying, you don't cover everyone though. No system does.
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  37. "because 45000 people die every year for not being able to afford insurance" That is only around 0.01% of the population and are typically poor people. Poor people are less responsible and are generally less healthy, that plays a role as well. So it isn't just because of their lack of insurance. With that being such as small number that is essentially noise. All 50 states offer K-12 education to their citizens and around 10 to 20 percent of the natural born US citizens do not have a high school diploma. What is preventing them from getting one? It is free for them. The answer is irresponsibility. If we offer healthcare for for free to others does not mean those 45,000 will live or be responsible.
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  38. Scott, saying CA is the 5th largest economy in the world is deceptive. They are the largest state, in terms of population, in the US which has the largest economy in the world. If you were to look at state population and compare it to economic size you will see a strong correlation. If CA were to become a separate country, though, the reality will be different.
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  39. Bennie, define "elective procedures". I just hurt my ankle recently. Say I tore something and needed surgery. That is not life threatening so I will be put on a waiting list. At the same time I have a job where I am on my feet constantly. My productivity drops now. Now expand that to millions of people in the same situation and you have limited productivity. To me my ankle surgery will not be elective but necessary. But by some arbiter in the government that treats me as a number and not as a person won't see it that way as it is not "life threatening". So saying it is for only "elective procedures" is very vague. "Why is it that under Canada zero people die." That is not true. Lots of people die in Canada. "we have 45,000 that die" That is around 0.01% of the population. That is minute and basically noise. Most of those people are poor who are generally unhealthy to begin with. Just because they will have access to healthcare does not mean they will be responsible. Every state offers free K-12 education but still between 10 to 20 percent of the US natural born citizens do not have a high school diploma. What is stopping them?
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  40. Bennie Gray, the poverty rate is not at 60%. 45,000 people is only around 0.01% of the population. They are people who are typically poor to begin with and thus unhealthy and irresponsible. Nothing indicates they would have lived under universal healthcare. Every state offers free K-12 education and still 10 to 20 percent of natural born citizens do not have a high school diploma. That is because they are irresponsible. "In the end if you have that foot ankle that gets sprained how many years would you be in debt? And if you pay it and you can't afford your car how will you go to work? " My insurance will pay for it and I have a car.
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  41. Bennie, Sweden has a population of 9.5 million. Also, their university system is poor compared to the US and their healthcare system is not better than the US. But having a small population with little diversity helps. And Sweden does not have a min. wage. so saying they "afford" it is deceptive. I can afford to live in my apartment. It is a one bedroom apartment. I agree, we have a lot of people living pay check by pay check. That is because 1. many people have poor money management skills 2. our tax codes forces people to spend or be taxed high
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  42. Actually the really rich live in CA because they can afford it. CA has the highest Gini coefficient in the US as it is full of really rich people and a lot of poor people. Not much of a middle class.
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  43. Sweden also has less than 10 million people which is 1/4 of what CA has.
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  44. " States have their own agendas, would everyone be treated the same? " They have to via the 14th amendment, just like they have to with education (which is ran by the states). "And wouldn't people want to crowd into states with the best plans? " That means competition. If a state is doing poorly than skilled workers and jobs will leave that state hurting them economically. It will become a race to the top which is another reason why I like states running these things.
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  45. gravastar333, we don't have a free market system in healthcare though. People basically can't choose their own insurance companies or plans. And everything related to healthcare is tied to your insurance. To me the problem lies with government and mainly the payroll tax. I highlight the problem by asking 1. Why do so many employers pay with healthcare insurance as opposed to a higher wage? 2. Why does insurance equal healthcare? People can't negotiate with insurance companies nor get them to compete.
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  46. Who wants to live in Sacramento? That place is a dump.
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  47. I don't like the idea of a federal law. That is no different than a federally ran system except the states are picking up the tab. States should be allowed to opt out if they feel like it.
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  48. I agree, this should be left up to the states. If it works other states will follow suit. But forcing it on everyone is not how this country was designed. Kyle's idea of a federal mandate is no different than single payer except that the states are picking up the tab.
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  49. Dustin, it would. The federal government offers student loans to college students and tuition has sky rocketed since then. Feeling that the government will negotiate drug prices is simply a fantasy. If prices were to be lowered than the quality will go down.
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  50. Not really. Living next to CA the government there does cater to the rich pretty well. Sure there is a lot of crap, but living next to the state and talking to the people from there it is the middle class that pays all the taxes. The rich are not really taxed that much.
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  51. "It's the most populous state since people want to live here." It is the most populous state because it is the third largest state by land area. TX is the second largest state by area and 2nd by population. It is not because people want to live there. It is because it is a combination of a lot of land that is livable. Look at population growth, CA is not that high. NV and AZ are having larger population growth and just so happen to border CA....hmmmmm. https://www.census.gov/data/tables/2016/demo/popest/state-total.html "You don't exactly provide details on why it would be a disaster if it was it's own country" Because the US is holding it up. It has a bankrupt city and if it weren't for it's entertainment and tech industry it won't be doing well. If it were it's own country it will have to pay import and export taxes and will have limited tourism. Their university system will change pretty dramatically unless they stick with NCAA rules. They will have a hard time finding professors to work there as they will have to change residency. CA will struggle as an independent country.
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  52. "There is debate because the insurance companies and big pharma are making a killing off of gouging Americans silly for something that is considered a basic human right " To start, healthcare is not a right. You need to fully understand what rights are before you can proceed to opinions. You calling healthcare a right, meaning you have a right to someone's goods and services, shows you are misinformed. Next, the system we have in the US has problems, but so do other countries. What you listed are problems, but we can fix them without completely replacing the current system we have now.
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  53. Sevarcy, forcing hospitals to serve people who are in critical conditions is a controversial subject and is a reason healthcare costs are so high. People go to the ER for a simple cough and have to be treated, and when they can't pay someone else picks up the tab. That was a motivating factor in the individual mandate. " I certainly do not want a system where there's even a slight chance of people getting denied health care and dying right outside clinics and hospitals. " A rebuttal is that you will have people dying because they are waiting. " America is a developed country," Which means what? Our current system is strong as is. " Also I don't really think there is much debate among rational people regarding health care being a right or not. " There is a debate though. You have to understand what rights are. Rights are things the government can't take away from you and you can use to control the government. If the government is offering you healthcare they can potentially control you. " Doctors are NOT working for free" Depends on how you look at it. I can compare it to this. I work as a TA at my university. Enrollment is going up and we don't have enough TAs. I am supposed to work, at most, 54 students a semester according to my contract. Last semester I taught 64. I was told to teach 10 more students which is equivalent to work for free simply because we were so short TAs. Asking people to work more for the same pay is working for free. "the tax money get intelligently distributed among the social programs" Really?
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  54. "Yes, America is the richest and most developed country." That means nothing. Rome was as well during their time, were they able to provide everyone with MRIs? No, because it didn't exist. Thinking that just because we are the richest country in the world that we can automatically cover everyone is a false way of thinking. Not one country in the world covers everyone. " Almost all highly developed countries have universal health care. " Again, that is not an argument. Humans are the only animal that uses a computer efficiently, so should we stop? " It's the most important program that needs to be socialized," But not housing or food? " If you're trying to say that universal care will result in long waiting times, you will still have a private option. " Which will be far more expensive and not everyone can afford to pay twice for healthcare. "There shouldn't be a debate among rational people." Not an argument because clearly a debate exists. " I do understand what rights are" I question that. "and while you think the government can potentially control you, you just have to look right now and realize that private insurance companies are already controlling you, " Because of government creating barriers that limits our choices. We don't have a free market system.
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  55. "Humans and animals do not have any remote comparison in terms of intellect. Developed countries are comparable." Not really as there are so many different variables. I was showing you how vague your argument is. No other country has put a man on the moon as well. I guess we should have never done that. " Rome was well during their time, but this is 2017. " The fact that it is 2017 is not an argument. We still lack resources and skilled workers. "Just ask yourself why we are the only major country to not have universal health care. " And why are we the only country to put a man on the moon? What argument are you trying to make? Other countries are different. So what? Our system is still just as strong as theirs. "Health care is the most important program that needs to be socialized." Why? Without food and shelter you have no healthcare. How about free gym membership and free trainers. Keep people healthy. Also requires businesses to give people 2 hours a day off of work to work out. I want to avoid bad health from the beginning before it becomes a problem. Seems like you want to wait for the problem to come than you will react. "A debate does exist but not between rational people." So experts in the field are not rational people? "We live in a democracy" At the federal level we don't
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  56. How is Cruz a liar? "Universal health care should not be looked as a gateway to other social programs" Why not? Government has been growing for years. Also, other nations do ration. https://www.aei.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/-the-business-of-health_110115929760.pdf That book has plenty of stats. "I am a healthy person at the moment. It's not just having a healthy lifestyle though, anyone can get hit with cancer. " But the more healthy people we have the less chance they have getting cancer or sick. Thus doctors have more time to care for people and healthcare expenses will be lower. "Let's fund health care by the states. " If a state wants to do that than fine, that is constitutional. " If there is a better system, great. " The point is that there isn't one. " But all the major countries, with their best and brightest, were unable to think of a better solution other than universal care" What they have is not terrible either. It is no par with what the US has. "Taking away the lines around the states aren't going to change much. " It goes beyond that. "Stop blaming the government" Why? They seem to be causing all the problems. "Free market principles don't really apply with health care. Price gouging will still occur." Not in a competitive market. "I don't know. It's probably a combination of reasons. It's probably cheaper for employers. Also an extra $3-4/hr wouldn't really be worth it in the long run for the employee. " The reason why is because of the payroll tax. If a business were to pay a higher wage they will pay a higher tax. It is a tax free way of paying employees. "Because you may need a treatment you couldn't afford without it." Which is fine in some cases. Insurance should be for specialized and emergency care. But why should my insurance pay for my routine checkups? Just like car insurance pays for accidents but not oil changes. "If you're looking for a middle ground and not regress to the "norm", why not have universal emergency care?" That can be an option if it is ran at the state level. I see the advantages of a public option or government program of some kind, if it is managed at the state level. The reason for that is because at the state level you can control these programs easier and they are ran better. My major issue, though, is that so many people feel that the US system is inferior compared to other countries when nothing shows that is the case. The US has problems, but so do other countries. The US is on par with other countries. With that in mind we need to improve what we have as opposed to completely scrapping it. Going to single payer federally will mean 1. replacing one system with problems with another system with just as many problems 2. perturbing the economy leading to job loss and and economic decline 3. forcing 320+ million people to change their mentality and habits when it comes to healthcare It is too drastic of a change. We should work with the system we have now and leave it to the states.
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  57. Please explain how that was unintelligent? Colorado care failed with almost 80% voting against it. In Vermont the idea failed because people saw the changes. Obamacare is unpopular because people saw the changes. Everyone puts profit in the way above human life.
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  58. You are making an excuse on Coloradocare. When people are informed they realize they don't want universal healthcare. Yes, everyone puts profit above a human life in some way or another. Do you allow refugees into your home? Universal care has just as many, if not more problems than what the US system has. You are going to be changing the habits of a lot of those 320+ million people, mainly how they pay taxes.
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  59. So you don't help our refugees? Ok. Also, you do profit over human life. Do you use the police? You are putting their lives in danger just by having them. " I just want stronger social safety nets. There's nothing wrong to have a country like that." If you can't afford it or provide it, or if everyone is not willing to pull their own weight than it is a problem. " It works in other places, " That is subjective and vague. Slavery worked for centuries in other places as well.
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