Comments by "whyamimrpink78" (@whyamimrpink78) on "Bernie Sanders: Free Healthcare u0026 College Isn't Radical, It's Mainstream" video.

  1. +TheTruthNJ09 The US is number one in cancers survival rate.
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  2. It is radical for a country with 300 million people and states that are larger than a lot of countries. The issue is very complicated. Simply saying that every other country is being very broad and is pulling wool over people's eyes. But considering how Bernie is a career politician of course he will speak rhetoric and appeal to emotions. It blows my mind that people like to simplify complicated issues.
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  3. So Bernie is going to offer "free" college and "free" healthcare while forcing companies to raises wages, build unnecessary infrastructure, create government jobs, and raise taxes on the wealth and not expect them to leave. Man, I can't wait to see Crazy Bernie's tax plan. This is going to be pure enjoyment.
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  4. +Cavecat We are aware of other countries. Norway has what, 5 million people? Now compare that to some of our states. Maybe if you had 300 million people and a larger diversity then you will see the issues we run in to.
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  5. +Cavecat We are aware of other countries. Norway has what, 5 million people? Now compare that to some of our states. Maybe if you had 300 million people and a larger diversity then you will see the issues we run in to.
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  6. +GorillaGuerilla Size matters a lot. You are talking about more diversity and more levels of bureaucracy. People wanted healthcare reform in 2008 but 60 senate democrats could not agree on one law. And when they did the one they passed is not popular to the citizens.
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  7. +Aoderic Yeah, and every country has their own form of healthcare, society, economics and so on. It isn't the EU running healthcare but the individual countries. That would be similar to individual states running healthcare which is what I will support as opposed to the federal government doing it.
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  8. +1955RodHot If that is what those states want then that is what they get. Why do you want to force other people to live the life you do? I come from what others consider a "red" state and our healthcare was fine. The beauty of state rights is that you can create your healthcare and another state can create theirs without effecting you.
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  9. +Aoderic The fact is that it is hard to compare countries. There are too many variables. People praise Denmark but fail to realize that Denmark has mandatory military, same with S. Korea for example. That does play a role in how people think in society. The US also has 50 states and all 50 of them control and run most domestic laws. Murder laws, rape laws, zoning laws, K-12 public education, roads and on and on are mainly funded by the state and local government and ran. Trying to make drastic change at the federal level is hard. 60 senate democrats had a hard time agree to one healthcare reform bill. Also, if you can break a problem down into smaller situations then you can solve it easier. Problem solving involves that, breaking down a situation. In countries of only 5 million people or so will face less problems. In the end you can't compare the US to other countries. Variables are too great. It is arguable that the US does have some of the best systems in the world, like healthcare for instance. The fact that the US can function so well with 300 different people is impressive.
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  10. +Cavecat They all have their own form of socialized medicine and they all have their own problems. France has a high unemployment for example. But boy they have their healthcare. You basically took a complex situation and limited it down to one arbitrary thing, socialized medicine. As I said, it is arguable that the US has the best healthcare system int the world http://www.aei.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/-the-business-of-health_110115929760.pdf But to simply stand up and shout "every other country has it, so can the US" is pure ignorance and ignoring the complexity of the situation. If you want to think that way then fine, but the reality is that you are not correct and intelligent people more or less laugh at you.
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  11. +Cavecat "Germany has the fift largest economy in the world." And the US is number 1. So based off of your criteria the US is the best. Anyway, population size does matter. With such a large population the diversity is greater. You can see how some states disproportionately supports Clinton where others disproportionately support Sanders. The differences with each state is noticeable. The US is like 50 countries in one. You can't establish a one size fits all policy with such a large population. You also have to consider societal difference. They exist in every state just like in every country. Norway subsidizes their policies with oil. Denmark has mandatory military. Germany, by law prevents people from going to college if they fell that you are not smart enough. Your simplistic argument of "every other country does it" displays your ignorance and really makes it so I don't want to follow Norway's lifestyle of "free" education if it produces myopic people like you. Plus, the US has arguably the best healthcare system in the world already and it does have the best university system. So I don't see the need to follow what other countries do considering they are not successful even with just 5 million people.
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  12. +Cavecat France is not doing so well. Also, I told you how it isn't as simple as college being free. In Germany, with a population of around 80 million, they prevent people from going to college by law. You are wanting free college for all, huge difference. And I already told you that the US has arguably the best healthcare system in the world.
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  13. +Cavecat "You do realize that we already have what Sanders is trying to get you, right?" Actually no. As I said, Norway is subsidizes their programs with oil. Sanders is against oil all together. I guess they don't teach facts in you "free education".
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  14. +Cavecat The pure fact that you can't realize that they way to implement them would be different creates a large barrier simply shows you ignorance. It isn't as simple as "tax wall street". "We still have tuition free universities though. " Which are 1. ran and function differently then the US 2. are inferior compare to the US
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  15. +Irving Ceron Why do you want to prevent certain people from going to college to better themselves? College is expensive due to the federal government giving out loans. In a progressive economy college education should be dropping in price due to an increase in supply. But the federal loan increased demand faster than supply.
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  16. +Irving Ceron I agree college isn't for everyone. But keeping people out of college by law is not right. People have the right to pursue happiness. If someone wants to go to college then fine. Why keep them out?
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  17. +Cavecat Because in the US we don't keep people out by law like they do in Germany fro example. If someone has a poor GPA or SAT after leaving K-12 why should they be banned from college? We have JuCos and CC's that they can go to and get up to speed on remedial skills.
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  18. +Irving Ceron In Germany they track students. If you are considered not smart enough to make it in college then they leave you out. I met a PhD candidate whose exact words were "Bernie needs to stop lying to people." His reasoning was is that in his country he was tracked for a trade school. He moved to the US and is now a PhD candidate. That is how those countries can afford and run colleges.
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  19. +Cavecat No, it is due to a limit of supply of professors and classes. We have the same problem in the US. If you start allowing everyone in college then colleges will demand more money raising the cost for the government. Having more skilled workers is not a bad thing. We also lack doctors. Increasing the number of doctors will make healthcare more affordable. Increasing the number of people in the STEM field means better technology and a stronger society. Barring people from going to college by law is not good either. So when the K-12 education program fails them they don't have the opportunity to get better. Is that what we should be pushing for?
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  20. +Irving Ceron The reason why nursing programs, along with other programs don't admit everyone is due to lack of resources. There are not enough professors to teach everyone that wants to get in. People having the opportunity to go to college is not a bad thing. We should push for it. But you have to understand the whole issue and not make ignorant conclusions.
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  21. +Cavecat It is because they can't afford it. When you increase the demand for something but not the supply then the price goes up. That's basic economics. If a professor or a university has to take on more students then they are going to demand more money.
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  22. +Cavecat Yes, it is called supply and demand. It is the reason why tuition is so high in the US.
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  23. +Cavecat It is very relevant. My TA contract, for example, limits me to 20 hours a week. Twenty hours a week is defined as no more than 60 students a semester. That is why my courses are all maxed out at 20 students and I teach 3 courses. That is why every course has a max amount of students that can take the course. Some professors don't allow students to sit in classes but instead get them to audit the class upping enrollment so they can get paid more. A professor teaching only 20 students most likely does so with students who are advanced and they have to grade work individually. For 200 they are general courses that has TAs do grading or computer based assignments like Webassigns or Master Chemistry. Increasing enrollment means more TAs, more janitors, more dorms, more professors, more student workers at help centers like writing centers or math centers, more staff for gyms and eatery places and so on. All that cost money. These things just don't appear out of nowhere. It is clear you have not worked in a university.
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  24. +Cavecat Professors salaries do have to do with class rooms sizes. There is a reason why there is a cap on how many people can take a course and how many classes a professor teaches. I work in academia for a living, I would know. If more students are in class then you either have to pay professors more or hire more. And the way other countries afford education is by preventing people from going by law. Even with that those countries are still in debt and the US leads the world in international students by percent for a reason. Other countries' college education is far inferior compared to the US, and different.
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  25. +Cavecat Those countries have debt as is. And if they could afford to offer more education, then why don't they do it? They don't for one simple reason, they can't afford it. How about you give proof they can afford to pay for more education? To me it is clear, they don't pay for more because they can't afford it. You are claiming they can. Until you do I am the one with evidence and the correct one here. But according to you a professor will get paid the same if they teach 10 students or 5000 students in a semester. I mean, why would anyone take you serious with that logic. What a huge waste of time.
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  26. +Cavecat What is clear to me is if Bernie does win and we get what other countries have, you have have shown enough ignorance to make it clear to me that you won't get into college. You will be tracked for trade school.
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  27. +Cavecat And that proves that Norway's college educational system is poor. You are crying for me to give proof of how they can't afford it when I did. The fact that they don't offer it to more people is proof. You have yet to give me any proof that those countries can afford it. In the US you would fail out of our university with that type of thinking. But you are also the same guy who feels that a professor who teaches 5000 students will get paid the same if they were to teach 5 students.
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  28. +Cavecat It is not "two widly different things". It is simple economics. When supply does not meet demand then prices go up. It is that simple. That is why other countries prevent people from going to college by law, to keep demand at the same level as demand. I guess you did not study economics. Also you are continuing to show support in how poor Norway's college educational system is.
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  29. +Cavecat You buy food with your own money, thus there is already a difference. Consumption is not always the same because supply has gone up. Food production has gone up due to technology. If the situation were there only being 5 places in the country to eat food and the government were giving away money for people to eat there, then prices will go up. But that is not the case. There is a limit of professors and staff. There is a limit on classroom sizes. Adding more students when supply is limited will increase prices. So your comparison is "goddam retarded" to quote you. I know that the US has a superior college education system compared to other countries, but are you sure you got a Masters? You just made one of the dumbest comparisons ever. You might as well say socialism works because the sky is blue. It would have sounded more intelligent.
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  30. +Cavecat Let me spell it out for you. Countries prevent people, by law, from going to college for one simple reason.....they can't afford it. Going to your food analogy why don't people eat out 3 meals a day 7 days a week? Because they can't afford it. It is that simple. If you increase the demand for something without increasing the supply then the price will go up. "Is discussing a topic like this just some sort of game to you, where you shift your argument and line of attack around to confuse your opponent?" No. You are screaming "give proof" when I did. The simple fact that they place restrictions on who can and cannot go to college is enough to show that they can't afford it. If they could then they would have no problem offering it to everyone. "For me it is about having a conversation and getting to the truth. " Same here. Let me flip it around. If these countries can afford to pay for college for everyone then why don't they do it? That is a simple question. "First your argument was that countries like Norway is much smaller than the US, so what works for Norway wouldn't work for the US. " Which is 100% true. "When pressed on it you couldn't explain why exactly that would be the case And you could name a single policy that failed because of population size." I did explain why, you just don't like the answer. And I did give an example. France has a large population and they are facing problems which is why someone like Bernie does not point towards them for success. If you want to get down to the core of it, saying that something works in one country thus is would work in another is incredibly asinine and myopic. There are so many societal differences and differences in how those policies are implemented. Norway subsidizes their policies with oil, Denmark has mandatory military. Countries regulate who can and cannot go to college. Sticking with colleges no other country has a program like the NCAA attached to their colleges. That alone is a huge difference. You are criticizing me for my argument when you made the simplistic argument of 1. they are countries 2. people live there I broke down to you how complex the situation is and making a generalization that you did really shows you lack of knowledge and intelligence on the issue. That is the core of the discussion. It is that saying that something works in one country doesn't mean it will work in another. That is like saying John McKissick is a good high school football coach thus he can coach the LA Clippers to a national championship because 1. he coaches a sport 2. he wins That is the exact same argument you made when you said something "works" in one country but not another. If you don't see the ignorance in that then I really don't know how you can be taught anything.
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  31. +Cavecat So let us go to the beginning "They are claiming things that have already been done can't be done!" Ok, what has been done and how? Please break it down how you do things in Norway. Let us go with "free college". How do you tackle "free college" in Norway and how would you do it in the US with the NCAA?
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  32. +Cavecat Let us back track. You claimed such programs work at other countries. I make the valid claim that they are much smaller in population thus they can't be compared. You cry "give an example". I did with France. Even if I were not to give one just because a situation does not exist does not mean it will continue to work. No one has ever landed on the moon until 1969. With your mindset that would have never happened because no one has ever done it before thus we can't do it. Anyway, I will give another example-Obamacare. Sixty democratic senators could not agree on one type of healthcare bill. People wanted healthcare reform, what type was the issue. The differences were quite large across the country due to our diversity and societal differences. That is due to our large population. Look at this current election. One part of the country favors Clinton over Bernie. Another part favors Bernie over Clinton. Again, that is due to our massive population leading to diversity and societal differences. Now comparing to Europe I pointed out to your that every country does something different. It is not Denmark, Finland, Norway etc. all doing the exact same thing. The fact is that they all do something different. So let us go back to your line of thinking. Give me one example of those programs working at a country with a population of 300+ million people. You can't. Thus the cards are stack in my favor in that I gave two examples in how those programs begin to break down at larger populations. Also I showed how every country with much smaller population compared to the US implement those programs differently. Now this is not to say I don't opposed such socialist policies. I can see them working at the state level with much smaller populations. Mind you we have around 30 states with a larger population than Norway. I can accept people wanting to compare what one country does and implementing it at the state level. But you can't say "well Norway does it so the US can, derp". It is an ignorant statement that does not take into consideration the complexity of our country.
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  33. +agnosticgo You entire comment is pure rhetoric. This is why people feel Bernie Sanders and his supporters are nuts.
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