Comments by "whyamimrpink78" (@whyamimrpink78) on "CNN" channel.

  1.  @fatcat8033  the Convington kids won
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  2. +peter poulsen Yeah, not try doing it with 300 million people. You have to change the culture of 300 million people.
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  3. The only ammunition democrats have are appealing to emotions. Gorsuch deserves the job and will probably be one of the best justices of all time.
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  4. And chances are it won't be. I am going to complete my PhD this semester. I have no fear. How about you do your actual job and not act like Fauci and play the game of politics. If you do expect to piss off some people.
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  5. Not really. Cases and deaths are going down. We are at a point where we have to have a serious discussion on what will cause more harm, this virus or a bad economy? As long as cases and deaths, at least, seem to peak, we should re-open the economy within the next week. It won't be all chaos. There will be two groups of people who still won't act with society much. The current unemployed and those who are simply scared. What you will see is that many businesses will open, but they won't see many customers. This is true in places like bars, night clubs, restaurants, etc.
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  6. Bendan, the issue is that the media is parading around these children to push for an agenda. These kids should be seeing a counselor, not giving speeches. Also, they have little understanding of the issue. I believe this is the same girl who claimed that it was easier to buy a fully automatic than it was to make weekend plans with friends. How can I take her ideas seriously at that point? But as a whole, the media is using these kids as shields to push for gun bans. If you disagree with any gun law you must hate children according to the media. It is sickening to take advantage of these kids emotions and ignorance.
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  7. With no productivity everyone will starve to death no matter how much money one has. Prices on food is starting to go up in Canada due to a shortage. For too many people they cannot see beyond money. They somehow feel that goods magically appear. But if no one is working there is no productivity. And giving away money just creates inflation.
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  8. This is actually what we want. Right now the weather is warm where the spread is low outdoors to begin with, especially in warm weather. Until we get a vaccine we need people to get infected to build her immunity. Letting people go out there allows them to start living a normal life along with expanding immunity to avoid another spike in the fall.
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  9. Brandon Ray, a few things 1. Franken did not present the full case in detail 2. A judges job is to enforce the law, not write it 3. When you look at the situation you have to ask yourself what did the driver do that was wrong? He could have taken actions to prevent this such as a: Read a weather report and not drive at that time of night b: pack blankets c: pack a space heater for backup When you look at how Franken presented himself he is not going to vote for Gorsuch because Franken is as partisan as it gets. How Franken presented himself was in a way that will appeal to his low educated, low intelligent supporters. People who are intelligent and can think critically agree that Franken looked like a fool here. But in the end he is appealing to his low educated voters and that is all that matters.
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  10. There are times where businesses do have to take on credit to pay employees. For example, say you own a coffee shop by a campus. During the winter and summer breaks you will be earning less due to most of your consumer base being gone (college students and faculty). So during those times you may have to pull out a loan, especially if you are new. But during the semesters you are earning big. Now, one may say "well cut expenses during the breaks", and you may as in order less supply. But you can't just cut hours during the breaks because than no one will work for you. You offer someone 30 hours a week all year long, not just during busy times. It all varies by business. Another example would be any company related to snow. Right now they are earning bank when it is winter, how much do they earn in the summer?
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  11. Military is constitutional and makes up 4% of GDP. Police and fire fighters are locally ran and funded and 70% of fire fighters are volunteer. Not comparable to healthcare which is 1/6 of our GDP and has workers who are very skilled.
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  12. You always put others in risk. For example, when you drive you increase the risk of a car accident. When you cook you create the chance of a fire. Also, this virus is not that deadly. We should, at this time, continue the spread to build herd immunity.
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  13. I agree. Emotions are too high to have an intellectual discussion.
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  14. Fauci is one guy. There are other experts who disagree with him. All he has done is fear monger and does ever give positive news to give people a light at the end of the tunnel. Eventually, people will tune out and are.
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  15. Bernie was asked a question on policy in what policy he would support on immigration reform. Bernie did not answer it. Instead he went to identity politics and went on a rant about healthcare and wages. Bernie has no policies.
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  16.  @mickeye6428  you do know he is a civil rights lawyer? So how is he a racist?
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  17. This is classic Bernie. He never answers questions but instead repeats the same talking points. He immediately went to the talking point so "every other major country....." which is far more complex than what he is saying. It amazes me how many dumb people we have in this nation that can't see through his BS.
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  18.  @xaenon  is the disease a threat? There is evidence that it is not that deadly. Also, the idea of the lock down was to one, flatten the curve, two, find out more about it, and three, create relief for our healthcare industry. We have all three. Every state has seen either stagnant or dropping number of new cases a day even with more testing. We know more about this virus. And all across the nation there are empty hospital beds. We should start reopening. I am not saying open the flood gates, but slowly. That way we get the economy going but still limit the spread. And even with a spread we have open hospital beds and resources to take it on. You are making sound like I want the flood gates to be open, I don't. My state just opened with restrictions such as 50% capacity in restaurants for example. GA has been open for two weeks now and their number of new cases a day has been dropping despite more testing. "If a rich person is telling you that it's mandatory that you do X, Y, and Z despite the risks.... that person isn't sharing the risk, but will be the one to reap ALL of the rewards." It is not that easy. Take this hair salon owner. None of her workers actually work for her as they are independent contractors. They work at her place but they are self employed. Also, many small business owners actually care about their workers. And most want to work. You make it sound like it is an us vs them mentality when it really isn't in the case you are pointing out. It is on the left. Remember, Barrack Obama can go golfing but his wife tells everyone to stay home. Chris Cuomo can call other fools for wanting to go to the park and back to work where he is making millions just voicing his opinion. The mayor of Chicago can get her hair cut if she wants. The governor of IL enforces a stay at home order while his wife go to FL. "Since we can't bank on a vaccine or cure in the near future (it could happen, but it's not prudent to expect it) , reopening for business will be necessary, but it MUST be done carefully... WE have to evaluate and manage the risks." Which is what we are doing. It is what GA did for the past two weeks and they have seen a drop in cases even though testing has nearly doubled. ""Just Be A Soldier And Go Back To Work" is NOT a viable plan when it's YOUR ass in the line of fire." It isn't like that. Your viewpoint is "be a good comrade and stay home while government tells you want to do and how to live". I am excited for the nation to be opening up, after seeing the success in GA. Come August things will be mostly back to normal except for in NY where Cuomo messed up that state.
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  19. So after 4 years of being labeled as racists, nazis, white supremacist, etc. you expect us to work with Biden? The left is delusional. But being a career politician that is never challenged will create that
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  20. So popular he lost.
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  21. Or hide in a closet and wear a helmet. Life is dangerous. Be scared.
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  22. It is fact checking. Bernie took the study and said "the study says X....." where the author of the study says "no, my study says Y....". If you want to argue the numbers and methods you can and that would be a different discussion. But the fact checking here is what the study actually says. Bernie is wrong in what the study says.
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  23. Eskil Tho, every nation has shortcomings in healthcare. When you break every system down the US is no par with them. So from the very beginning the US system is not terrible if you want to compare us to other nations, we are on par with them. Yes, we have problems, but so do other nations. The US also does many things well that other nations don't. So with that in mind the best approach is to fix the system we have, not completely replace it. Healthcare is 1/6 of our $18 trillion economy. We are a nation of 320+ million people. Changing something that large that drastically will cause a major recession. It is impossible to change something that large that drastically. That is similar to asking the US to change to the metric system, it won't happen. You say everyone in your country agrees with that system you have, the same is in the US. Every attempt to establish universal healthcare has failed where 80% in Colorado, a left leaning state, said no. People don't want it in the US.
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  24. Bernie divides us between the hard workers and the lazy. I am so glad he lost.
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  25. It was an hour of him spewing talking points.
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  26. Because asking difficult questions should be encouraged. Fauci goes on interviews that give him softball questions. When you see him asked difficult questions by Rand Paul he becomes defensive and takes it personal.
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  27. People on both sides do threats. You don't think Trump received threats?
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  28. Unions do not negotiate bonuses.
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  29. Annie, look up the definition of "nationalist".
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  30. So popular that he lost.
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  31. Does Sanders ever have anything else to say besides "tax the rich". This man is an idiot, a career politician and corrupt.
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  32. How is he racist?
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  33. In a couple of weeks I would like to see Fauci hand back his doctoral title. The fact is that this virus is not that dangerous. He is simply a failure as a doctor and is desperate for attention.
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  34. Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. Fauci keeps fear mongering about this virus when, day after day, it is proving not to be that deadly.
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  35. Fire departments are locally ran and funded and also 70% of fire fighters are volunteer. Not comparable to medicare.
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  36. In history great nations usually fall from within
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  37.  @mindremote  , no one paid that 91% tax rate. In 1967 there were 155 Americans who earned over $200,000 that year that paid $0 in federal taxes. That is why the Tax Reform Act of 1969 was passed. As for the war getting us out of the depression, it happened because it forced the government to stop micromanaging domestic issues and to its job, deal with foreign affairs. In dealing with foreign affairs there was a demand for our goods and services thus other nations made us successful. After the war we were the only developed nation not to be destroyed so we had an economic advantage globally. So no, it wasn't a massive public spending that ended the depression. It was other nations demanding our resources.
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  38. Shellbombs, healthcare is not a right in other nations. Also, we have to look at our legal system. If you make healthcare a right in the US than you are going to force healthcare providers to work. That is why you cannot declare it a right.
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  39. He never said we should hit the body with UV light or inject the body with disinfected.He is asking is that could be a solution and how they are going to test it. Using light as a form of medication has been done in the past. And we have used chemicals to cure diseases. But he never once said use bleach and inject it in the body. Once again the media is misrepresenting him.
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  40. Establishing means completely dismantling the system we have now which is 1/6 of our $18 trillion economy in a nation of 320+ million people. That means many jobs being lost by shutting down insurance companies, our economy going into a major recession due to the massive changes to our tax codes, and in the end single payer is not any better than what we have now. Not to be rude but people who are informed and really break down the issue should be completely opposed a federally ran single payer system.
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  41. Eskil Tho, the US is on par with other nations. In nations with single payer you have longer wait times, they lack specialist, they lack in R&D and it causes problems. The reality is this, single payer works well for very very basic things like pregnancies, routine check ups, and non critical care. For critical care, advanced techniques, and specialized care it sucks. Single payer is great in that it does help out the very poor to receive some sort of care as opposed to nothing where in the US we do have bankruptcies and people who cannot go to the doctor. But in single payer nations it is terrible for people with critical situations or who are really sick. You have long wait times for "elective" surgeries where people have died in Canada waiting for "elective" heart surgery, and cancer survival rates are low. Resources are limited and something has to give. In the US the very poor suffer but those with critical situation benefit. In other countries the very poor benefit but people with critical conditions suffer. Take your pick what you want.
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  42. Eskil Tho, there is no evidence that less people will die with single payer. Many variables are at play here. And yes, wait times do apply for critical care. That is why people die in Canada waiting for "elective" heart surgery. The UN does not create laws. Also, the UN declaration of rights contradicts itself. So you have a right to healthcare, but say there are no doctors? Do you force others to serve you? Well that violates the right not to be enslaved. That is why the UN declaration of rights is as worthless as used toilet paper. If you are in a severe car accident in the US you will get immediate treatment. I needed an MRI for my knee and received it in a week. There are stories of people needing it in the UK and had to wait months.
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  43. TheGerthax, I read that Harvard study. To start, is there a comparable study done in other countries? No, so that 45,000 number has nothing to be compared to making it an empty stat. You say that number is zero in other nations when I just posted a paper showing that people have died in Canada waiting for "elective" heart surgery. They lacked healthcare in that case. Next, 45,000 is 0.01% of the overall population. In comparison, around 30,000 die in traffic accidents a year, around 30,000 are diagnosed with HIV a year. I see no uproar for that. Also, those 45,000 a poor. As another Harvard professor said, bad health is associated with the poor. So the question becomes do they die due to lack of access of healthcare or due to being in bad health to begin with? So another Harvard professor countered that report. There are higher rates of obesity, smoking and type II diabetes with the poor. As for bankruptcy, I rather be bankrupt than dead. Yes, we pay more in the US, our quality is also higher. Healthcare is a complex field. That is why professors in Harvard did studies in it and cannot agree on the conclusion.
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  44. Bernie made a claim about a study that the author disagreed with. That was the fact checking. The authors really said one thing where Bernie said something completely different.
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  45. Because people want to be open and deaths are still down. The who point was to limit deaths. Even with growing cases deaths are not going up. Now now we need to push for herd immunity.
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  46. New World, people here have not read the study. Facts don't sit well with Bernie fans.
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  47. So as usual Bernie does not answer the question. What is taking so long? While I feel this is a rather dumb point it does bring up the question if he has no problem releasing them then why is it taking so long?
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  48. +Nathan smith Radical changes means radical actions. The last time this country made such radical changes was in the mid 1800s which was during the civil war. Do you really want to divide a country like that and create an environment where people will die? I am not saying a war will start, but radical actions will take place. That is simply because you are trying to change how over 300 million people act and think.
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  49. Bernie keeps saying the same thing over and over again. Bernie talks about the people. The people have spoken. They wanted Trump and republicans and not Bernie. What I am seeing, especially after the debate with Cruz, that Bernie is falling apart.
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  50. johnny cake I agree with you. 
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  51. Bernie is a hypocrite. He says we need to discuss the healthcare bill the republicans are working on, and I agree. But with him the end goal is medicare for all. He doesn't want a discussion, he just wants to push for his communist system.
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  52.  @matthewkheyfets1309  , yes. The scary part is that those pushing for M4A are not being honest here and they deflect every criticism about it as people are simply corrupt. I will be honest, maybe M4A is the best solution for us, I highly doubt it but I will be willing to listen if those who support are honest. They aren't. This is a great video on that https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e893Ky7iM6Y&t=314s
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  53. Bernie, when does the government become too big?
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  54. And it will fail like his presidential campaign.
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  55. This is why we are divided as a nation. When Jan. 6th happened what would have brought unity would have asked why so many voted for Trump? And why did so many get angry and stormed the capital? Instead they are dismissed. Now add in the lies of what happened Jan. 6th from the left and you have a divided nation. This is a terrible speech by Biden and further divides us.
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  56. Fauci is becoming less reliable. He is simply fear mongering to remain relevant.
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  57.  @pidayrocks2235  it is more complex than that. You can't do your analysis and say that is the official mortality rate. To start, not everyone who got the virus sought out medical care. Next, if you look at NY data, around 4% of deaths were of people who were 44 and younger. Of those around 1/7 had no underlying conditions. Thus, 1/7 of 4% is around 0.5%. That means if you are fairly young and healthy you have around a 0.5% chance of dying. And again, that is of reported cases of those who actually sought out healthcare. Consider the people who got it and simply dealt with it. And recent research out of Germany suggests that around 30% already have an immunity to this virus due to prior infections from other coronaviruses.
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  58.  @pidayrocks2235  also, according to the CDC more have died from pneumonia. And no, you can't do basic statistics as you simply can't look at confirmed cases and confirmed deaths as the issue is far more complex than that. So no, you are not an engineer out of MIT.
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  59.  @pidayrocks2235  also, consider how the deaths are being overstated. In CO a man died with the virus but had a BAC level of 0.55% and was counted as a coronavirus death. CO was criticized to the point where they admitted that their deaths were overstated around 25%. And you saying "You can only base statistics off of the numbers you have available." Shows, and not to be rude, that you do not understand statistics. In statistics there are methods to account for numbers you do not have. In this case statisticians will admit that there is a good portion of people who are not tested. Also, antibody tests have suggested a larger portion of the population have been infected already.
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  60.  @pidayrocks2235  it isn't that simple because, again, not everyone was tested. Also, most who died have underlying conditions and/or were old and thus near death to begin with. If you look at the number of deaths from the flu in the CDC they will give a number but a range of around 20 to 30 percent. That is huge. The reason why is because with around 70,000 deaths that is around 0.02% of the overall population. That is a small data set and thus the error bar will be large. In statistics it is known the the more data you get, simply by the math, the error bar is reduced. So now you have to look at the fact that those who are dying have underlying conditions and thus, as with the flu, you cannot say to what degree the virus caused in the death. And with no control it makes it even more difficult.
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  61.  @pidayrocks2235  CDC have stats showing people died with the virus, with pneumonia and with both. From 2-21 until 5-16 there were, if I recall, around 71,000 died with the virus, around 83,000 died with pneumonia, and around 31,000 died with both. So consider that.
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  62.  @pidayrocks2235  it isn't as simple as a confidence interval. Again, you have to consider that almost all who died were either old or sick to begin with, and thus close to death to begin with. Thus you cannot say to what degree the virus caused the death.
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  63.  @pidayrocks2235  you are looking at the numbers wrong. It is numbers up to 5-16. They give numbers of the virus which is around 71,000, and then those of pneumonia , which is around 83,000, and then those of both. That means of the 71,000 who died with the virus, around 31,000 also had pneumonia. Not to be rude but this makes me question if you understand the numbers.
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  64.  @pidayrocks2235  I agree, you cannot test the entire population which makes this issue more complex than what you are making it out to be. You cannot take the confirmed cases and the deaths and simply use those two number to come up with a mortality rate. The reason are 1. There are many who were not tested 2. Almost all who died were old and/or sick to begin with, thus you cannot say to what degree the virus played a role in the death 3. The overall data set is low. 100,000 deaths is around 0.02% of the overall population, that is small. On the last point, let us use a left wing talking point when they say X amount die every year due to lack of access to healthcare. When you look at those values they range from around 18,000, 30,000, 45,000, and even 60,000. That is a wide range. But as Prof. Katherine Baicker said, those individuals are in bad health to begin with. Thus, you cannot say if they die due to lack of healthcare access or due to being in bad health to begin with. The same applies to this virus. You cannot say that those who die was because of the virus or simply because they were in bad health to begin with.
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  65.  @pidayrocks2235  no, that is not how the numbers work. The 31,000 was with both the virus and pneumonia. That means of the 71,000 who died with the virus, 31,000 also had pneumonia. Also, CDC numbers always lag.
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  66.  @pidayrocks2235  that is not a good sample as that is a very small portion of the nation. And again, almost all were old and/or sick to begin with. So we cannot say to what degree the virus played a role in the death. Thus you cannot simply take 100,000 divided by the closed case and say that is the mortality rate. It is not that simple.
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  67.  @KevinHoekman  I agree. I am a numbers guy myself while pursuing a PhD in physical chemistry. The reality is that it isn't as simple as taking the deaths and dividing it by the closed cases. Basically this guy is saying that people dying with the virus is dying purely from the virus and nothing else. That is not how statistics work. In reality one needs to weigh out the numbers by determining to what degree the virus caused the death. That is something we had to do in one of my advanced stats course. For example, if the virus is listed as a comorbitiy, as in the number 3 reason for the cause of death, you could say it contributed, say 20%. Now I do not know and really no one does at this point, but that is how it should be done.
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  68. Michael, corporations do invest their money. They are not today due to having Obama for 8 years. Now we have a business friendly president they will invest knowing they have more freedom.
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  69.  @kathrynwhite8482  1918 was a different time with less technology. The US life expectancy was around 40 years at that year. Sandwiched between them were 50 years. Now consider how our average life expectancy is around 78 years now. In AL around 80% who die were 65 and older. The fact is that this virus is deadly mainly to the old and/or sick. In NY of the people 44 and under they made up only 4% of the deaths where over 2/3 of them had underlying conditions and a good portion it was unclear. It was that of that group around 1/7 of them died with no underlying conditions. So, from NY data, that is 0.5% of someone under 44, with no clear health problems, dying from the virus. Now add in the fact that we have empty hospital beds, and we have the ability to protect our more vulnerable, we should be considering opening up and pushing for herd immunity. When you consider the spanish flu the mortality rate was high for those in the age range of 20-40 according to the CDC. Also, no antibodies were developed by the body to counter a second infection. This virus you do develop antibodies.
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  70. AOC is a racist
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  71. Permanent, as Michael said, means there is no expiration date. It can be changed. As for the expiring tax cuts on the middle class, Cruz brought it up in a debate with Sanders that the only reason why they did not do that is because democrats said they will filibuster the bill if they did. Sanders did not deny that. Even at that it is 10 years away. We will have a new president and a new congress by then. They can handle it at that point based on the state of the economy. .
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  72. True. We are at a point where we have to ask ourselves, what will cause more harm? This virus or the bad economy? I say re-open the economy within the next week. Even as it consumption will be low as many are unemployed and many others will still be scared.
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  73. Healthcare jobs will not be lost. We lack workers for healthcare in fact. We have too many jobs compared to the number of workers.
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  74. Short term vs long term gains.
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  75. M 0, an "assault weapon" is not define and can mean a lot. Something as small as a pistol grip can make a gun an "assault weapon". Many are pushing to ban the AR 15 when a Ruger mini 14 is essentially the same gun. As for bump stocks, the NRA has pushed to ban those, but they have been used in only one mass shooting.
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  76. @Dylan Murphy true. Ironic part, to prevent a second wave we need to open up and have more become infected.
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  77.  @MERLE1593  , not really. More information is out and some research suggests this virus is not as deadly as was originally thought. Also, you have to consider what will be worse for the people, this virus or a bad economy? Suicide hotlines saw a spike in calls recently. Also consider that if we open the economy now many still won't interact as they are either unemployed or scared. Bars will still be empty, so will restaurants, night clubs, etc. But it is a start. Also, in 1918 technology was nowhere near what it is now.
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  78.  Jeffrey Hagelin  we are peaking. Over the past few days, at least in the US, we are seeing the flattening of the curve. Hospital beds are open and we have to actually cut back on medical staff as we now have too many. We are at the peak and showing signs of dropping nation wide. Maybe you should reassess your conclusion.
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  79.  Jeffrey Hagelin  which experts? And no, they are not saying that long. Those who are are foolish. You can't keep the economy shut down that long as more people will end up worse off due to the poor economy. A recent study out of Germany suggests the virus is not that deadly.
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  80.  @601salsa  the difference between this and HIV is that HIV is spread either through blood transfusion or sex, both which takes effort. This virus, like the cold, can unintentionally be spread. Also, there is no cure, vaccine or immunity to HIV. There is for this virus.
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  81. For profit healthcare has higher incentive to produce and advance in healthcare technology and techniques and also gives higher incentives to become a doctor. Healthcare just doesn't exist, someone has to provide it. The idea behind the for profit system is that it is the best way to provide the highest quality healthcare and best advancements in it.
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  82.  Chris Pacheco  no it doesn't as there is no consensus on this virus. More evidence is coming out that it is not that dangerous. The recovery rate keeps going up day after day but Fauci does nothing but fear monger to try to remain relevant.
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  83.  @DG-nk7jo  not true.
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  84.  @juniebugg7675  at the beginning, in February, there were around 15 cases. You want to shut down an entire nation over that? Hindsight is 20/20. He did all he can do in his power, that is stop international travel and when he did he was called a racist.. The left has been all over the place with their double standards this year. First, they are blaming Trump for not doing enough to stop this virus, as if they wanted his personal help. But when it came to the riots and Trump offered to help, they said now. So what is it? Do they want his help or not? Trump did all he can do, let the states handle it. Around 1/3 of the deaths are in NJ and NY, democrat ran states. Democrat rate states have some of the highest death rates. During this entire time Trump remained calm and gave good news when it came. All Fauci did was fear monger and so many predictions wrong. In fact, I have got more correct than Fauci. But hey, if you are so smart, what should have Trump done?
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  85.  @juniebugg7675  here is the thing, Trump comes in and forces shut downs early he will be called a fascist. He does all he can do in his power and he is blamed in not doing anything. At this point it is no win for him. This is why people stopped watching CNN and stopped listening to Fauci.
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  86. She is fighting for her people. More evidence is coming out that the virus is not that deadly. The virus is not going anywhere. During these warm weather we need to interact with the public and live life. We should always be doing things like washing our hands and so on. People are over exaggerating.
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  87. He wanted that position, so he got it. You don't think Trump has not received threats? If you can't stand the heat get out the kitchen.
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  88. We just had back to back days of less than 1000 deaths. We have not had that since near the end of March. New cases per day are dropping despite more testing. Deaths per day are dropping. The fact is that this pandemic is almost over. There is also evidence that more people than we think have an immunity to it either from COVID-19 and without knowing they got it, or another coronavirus. But CNN does not want the pandemic to end because one, they will have nothing to make Trump look bad and two, they will have to talk about the election and Biden.
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  89.  DEAD VOTERS MATTER  what?
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  90. Because one, does it help? CA has required it for weeks and still seen an increase in cases. And two, it is virtue signaling over a virus that is not that dangerous.
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  91. Boo hoo. Easy for teachers to act the way they do, they have a guaranteed paycheck.
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  92.  Roc  , those are not socialist nations. They are free market nations with high taxes on citizens. They have lower corporate tax rates and less regulations on businesses. They generate their tax revenue by essentially having a flat tax (compare to the US) on their citizens and a high consumption tax. Here, watch this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZQwBA2QlJ3w&t=308s Bernie and the far left push to only tax the rich where those nations tax all their citizens high.
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  93.  @mindremote  , the US did not move to the right. As Ann Coulter said, we elect republicans to get rid of the department of education where we instead get NCLB. The US has been moving left for years. Also, FDR turned a recession into a depression. It was the war that made our nation strong.
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  94.  @Darkannihilator1  , I didn't respond to the rest of your comment because I wanted to focus on one thing. I can comment if you want. But on happiness, you can't quantify. There is no way you can. It is similar to mental illness. Mental illness is so challenging because you can't quantify it, it is subjective. As someone who suffered through one I know this very well. It isn't like diabetes where you can measure blood sugar levels, it is subjective. One can be happy subjectively but objectively not be in the best position they can be. You can see that all across the US and this is a major problem on the left. People on the left may see someone who is not well educated, does not live in a great house, and they will say "I am trying to help them, they are poor", when in reality they are happy with their position. Saying other nations are "happy" is purely a culture thing and not a strong argument.
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  95.  @sylviaking8866  , exactly. The problem with Bernie's plan is that he does want to take from those who work and give to those that don't. That is not the Nordic model. The Nordic mode taxes citizens more to pay for certain things. Citizens still have to work to pay for a home, food, car, etc. But as a result of high consumption taxes and essentially a flat tax compared to the US, their citizens are taxed more. That is something Bernie's fans don't understand.
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  96. OnceAndFutureKing, the "right to life" means government cannot take life away without due process. Just like your right to bear arms does not guaranteed you a gun, it just means you have a right to possess a gun and that right cannot be taken away without due process. Your "right to life" does not guarantee it.
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  97. enhaxed X, you made a claim with zero justification. I take that as a victory for me.
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  98.  @TheSashapooch  I attended the funeral of a 5 year old guy who died in a car accident.By your logic I should push to ban driving.
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  99. "Sanders is advocating for polices that already exist in my home country of Australia." Like high oil productivity? Oh, wait, Bernie hates fossil fuels.
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  100. Trump is going to win. Fauci has done nothing but fear monger where other experts have are more settle, and optimistic approach. Fauci just fear mongers and gives no positive news. He is just trying to remain relevant.
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  101. Actually there is evidence kids are less likely to become infected.
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  102. Matt Schilling, the study said that $32.6 trillion over 10 years was a conservative estimate. Also, that number is just for public care. What we pay now is for both public and private care. The $32.6 trillion made the assumption that healthcare providers will be willing to take a 40% pay cut without lowering quality and that increasing demand will not increase prices. The fact check was comparing the conclusion of the study to what Bernie is concluding. Bernie is wrong in what the study says. Now you may disagree with the study's conclusion where that is a completely different discussion in itself. But you have to be honest in what the study says. Saying that increasing demand will not increase price is an economic fallacy. Very little suggests that Medicare for all would be cheaper.
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  103. Matt Schilling, the issue is that gathering data is challenging. This study is just looking at cost and using Bernie's assumptions. They are a 40% reduction in healthcare payments where healthcare providers will be earning 40% less, and assuming prices won't go up despite demand going up. If you assume that you get the number that the study produced. Now consider that increasing demand will surely increase price, or that a 40% reduction in payments will lower quality, you end up with a situation that Medicare for all is not any better than what we have now. Expand on that how you will almost have to double taxes on everyone and completely dismantle healthcare as we know it, you have a situation where Bernie's plan is arguably unrealistic. Also consider how every state that tried to pass universal healthcare failed due to cost.
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  104. Why not? She is fighting for her citizens. This virus is being overstated. New data is coming out that the virus is not that deadly. Also, she is right in a control group. If the citizens of Vegas want to reopen why not?
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  105. Nicole Davy, gun murders have been dropping for over 20 years. What she experienced was a very rare tragedy. She has a greater chance of dying in a car accident than by a guy. But tell me, what new law would have prevented this shooting, or previous shootings?
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  106. She wants to destroy the 2nd amendment as she has no solution. Anyway, this is the same girl who claimed it was easier to buy a fully automatic than it was to make weekend plans with friends. Her friends must such to force her to do a background check an apply for an expensive license before hanging with them.
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  107. If you are healthy and reasonably young you want to get the virus. Evidence is out that you can become immune for around a year and even up to 10 years. Get it and move one not worrying about it until a vaccine comes.
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  108. Ekil Tho, also, healthcare is very complex. There are a ton of moving points. Even in nations with single payer it is around 10% of GDP. In comparison education is typically around 5% of a country's GDP. Healthcare is that complex. You are grossly over simplifying the issue.
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  109. Eksil, to start, a "fact checking" website is not going to do it with me. Sure, facts are important, but how you interpret them, the reasoning behind them, and what they all mean is important. To start, here is title of this paper "“Comparisons of Health Care Systems in the United States, Germany and Canada” Mater Sociomed From that paper "Part of the gap between US and Canadian health care costs may be explained by a failure to account for Canadian hospital’ capital costs, larger proportion of elderly in the United States and higher level of spending on research and development in the US." Now the paper also said this "Compared to the US system, the Canadian system has lower costs, more services, universal access to health care without financial barriers, and superior health status. Canadians and Germans have longer life expectancies and lower infant mortality rates than do US residents." However, by this book http://www.aei.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/-the-business-of-health_110115929760.pdf When you remove car accidents and murders the US is number 1 in life expectancy. The reality is that there are many factors that contribute to life expectancy besides healthcare. On infant mortality “International Comparisons of Infant Mortality and Related Factors: United States and Europe, 2010” In that report it shows that the US does very well in infant mortality when there is early pre-term births. That is a sign of a strong healthcare system in that a baby can survive even if they leave the womb at 24 weeks. Another issue with infant mortality is that the US has a high pre-term birth rate which will skew the results. Pre-term births can be associated with those who fail to take proper measures during pregnancies to which no matter how much access of healthcare one has it would not be solved. It is the same as obesity where obesity is self inflicted and requires no healthcare access to cure. Also, issues like obesity and diabetes contribute to pre-term births, both of those are typically self inflicted. So citing infant mortality is flawed. Also, read these reports "True versus reported waiting times for valvular aortic stenosis surgery" Can J Cardiol. “ Analysis of deaths while waiting for cardiac surgery among 29,293 consecutive patients in Ontario, Canada" Heart “Too many patients with cancer die in acute care hospitals despite palliative options: report" CMAJ
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  110. Gertijn, I have had many knee problems and had no problem getting an MRI as well. The US system must be great by your standards.
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  111. Eskil, on the declaration of human rights, it is a legit point. If there are no doctors, or if there is a lack of doctors, how do you provide everyone with their "right" to healthcare? It is a dilemma at that point.
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  112. Eskil, the government can't just wave a magic wand and things suddenly appear.
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  113. Alden, the quality for advanced care is lower in other countries. Single payer is great for very very basic care such as routine check ups, pregnancies, and non critical situations. For critical situation and advanced care, such as surgery, it is inferior. As for people being more "economically stable" than the US, what do you mean? People in the US are stable. You bring up bankruptcy, but bankruptcy laws exist to ensure stability for people who fall on hard times. Diversity plays a large role in that different cultures means different economics, different lifestyles, and different ideas. Take the state of Nevada, for example. They are ranked poorly. However, a reason why is not because of their poor schools, it is because there is little incentive to become educated when you can make close to 6 figures parking cars or dealing at the poker table. The culture of the casinos influences their behavior. Now take the neighboring state of Utah. The large Mormon population influences the drinking laws there where beer has half the alcohol content. People die in Canada as well. Read the following papers "True versus reported waiting times for valvular aortic stenosis surgery" Can J Cardiol. “ Analysis of deaths while waiting for cardiac surgery among 29,293 consecutive patients in Ontario, Canada" Heart “Too many patients with cancer die in acute care hospitals despite palliative options: report" CMAJ The recession started under Hoover. FDR came in 1933 and we saw no recovery until close to 1940 because of WWII. The US economy was terrible under FDR. It shot up to number 1 after the war because every other nation was rebuilding. The New Deal policies were also watered down after FDR left. People who feel that FDR was a good president also feel that Matt Millen was a good GM for the Lions. Under Millen the Lions were terrible. Under FDR the economy was in a depression where it took a war to get us out of it. " In fact, every time in US history that a depression/recession has occurred, it was ALWAYS due to conservative/neo-conservative/neo-liberal policies, typically under Republican presidents." It is much more complex than that bud. Right now we have Trump who is almost as conservative as it gets when it comes to economics, our economy is growing.
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  114. Al Clark, Canada is running out of money in healthcare and they have lower quality. Single payer would not be cheaper. It makes zero sense economically and historically.
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  115.  @alib9937  consider how many times people die a day on average. Is 8 million really that high? Or is the number being overblown? I take the latter. More, in the US, have died with pneumonia. Also, Fauci has been wrong on many cases. He said opening up too early will lead to a second wave but it has not happened despite more testing.
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  116. This is what the people wanted. Also, deaths are down. Why wasn't Cuomo held accountable?
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  117. +gmlanmor Hillary has released her tax returns.
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  118. +questworldmatrix I can bring up my tax returns in around 30 minutes. They are all saved on a hard drive. It isn't hard.
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  119. +Ben Glick Simple economics. Say instead we raise the price of gasoline to $8/gal. Would more or less get bought? The same concept is with labor.
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  120. +Ben Glick In some ways they would, there will be more sales and better bargains. There will also be more people that will get hired.
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  121. So as usual Bernie does not answer the question. What is taking so long? While I feel this is a rather dumb point it does bring up the question if he has no problem releasing them then why is it taking so long?
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  122. reelreeler, that is only if the government becomes tyrannical. Consider this, democrats want to give you all this free money, healthcare and education but still don't trust you to have guns.
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  123. Paul Ryan is stating the truth behind the 2nd amendment. It is there to prevent tyranny. Both Obama and Hillary are anti-gun. You have to explain the reasoning behind the 2nd amendment. It isn't for hunting, it is to prevent tyranny. It is to prevent a government from becoming too violent and oppressive that when all other civil methods fail then we can counter with violence. "The shooter who shot the republican representatives had a known history of violence and should not have been allowed to own guns" What violence? You have to be specific. "But hey, the republicans don't have the nerve to say that even someone like that shouldn't own guns" Again, what has he done to require him losing his rights to own a gun? You do know republicans and the NRA came up with background checks in the pass, which we have now (and this guy passed). " Furthermore,  republicans give "free money" to corporations" How? If they do I don't agree with it. But again, how? If you say tax breaks that is allowing them to keep the money the earned. "universal healthcare wouldn't be free and no one said it would be. " It would be free for those who don't pay taxes. Remember, democrats want to raise taxes on the rich to make them pay for it, not the poor. "  I do believe that community college ought to be free for anyone who graduates high school, " So K-12 is not enough then? After 13 years of government schooling is not enough we need more? "and why should "state" college education cost an arm and a leg? " As that to the people who created the federal student loan program. " If we weren't going bankrupt supporting a bloated military budget " Defense spending accounts for less then 20% of our federal budget. We spend more on social welfare programs. Defense spending accounts for around 4% of our GDP. We spend more on education.
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  124. We always try to remain as civil as possible to solve issues. But in the end we should have the option to act violently if possible. It is similar to why we have nukes, we do not want to use them. But other countries have them as well. Thus that option should always remain.
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  125. You are comparing two completely different societies and cultures which can't be done. Bernie is taking complex issues and saying that 1. they are countries 2. people live there It is easily arguable that the US does better than all of those countries, especially when you consider the massive diversity and size we have compared to them. Every single one of those countries are different in some way, Denmark has mandatory military service, Norway subsidizes their economy with oil. Which model do you want to copy? In the very end the cultures in all the countries are too different to make a direct comparison making Bernie's argument very weak.
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  126. +JON "KILLER" WILCOX Trump can't lower wages unless he sets a price ceiling which he at now way mentioned he would do. If he did both parties will oppose it.
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  127. Ok, so when I Bernie going to talk about something else besides the "rigged economy". He is talking a lot but offers no real solution. The reason why he lost in Nevada is because he could not answer a single question directly. He just went on about "wealth inequality" and "rigged economy" and blah blah blah. Bernie has peaked. He energized voters but as the election draws one questions will get tougher and if he can't answer them he will fail.
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  128. +Christian Haigis Not it isn't because it won't cover college for all unless 1. you lower the quality 2. you restrict who goes It is called math
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  129. +Adam Corfman No, Bernie's number for "free college" only accounts for 2/3 of the expense. And it only accounts for those currently enrolled in college. It does not account for the fact that enrollment will go up when it is "free". Glass-Steagall was unnecessary then and there is no reason to bring it back. You can't reverse the citizens united decision, people have the right to their property. If you want money out of politics then remove the power of the federal government, don't expand it.
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  130. Sanders, if you get hit by a bus you are probably dead. Also, that is most likely your fault.
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  131. The US also has one race of people that disproportionately commit crime, but if you bring that up you are called a racist. And that is not to say that black people naturally are criminals, their race has not put forth the effort to break the stereotype or improve their situation. If those other countries had to deal with that then the story will be different.
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  132. +Jandzi Lorber What has been undermining us for years has been a federal government with too much power. I agree with Bernie that the federal government is corrupt and the economy is rigged. I am just smart enough to understand that the solution is not allowing that same government to control our healthcare and college education.
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  133. +Brian Anderson "Ideally, Congress would be representative of the electorate " They do. Problem is that we are such a diverse country that members of congress represent their voters. As in the members of Wyoming represent those individuals and the members of CA represent those individuals and so on. The reality is that people have little control of the federal government which is why we have to place strict limits on it and establish smaller, more local governments. "which is actually these ultra-rich shadowy figures behind our elected officials pushing their own agenda," Which wouldn't be a problem if the federal government had no power. It has no power than it can't be bought. "To simply blame "the federal government" is to miss the fact that RIGHT NOW they already don't represent us," I do feel like they represent us, but as I said we are such a diverse country that the role of government is not clear at the federal level. Politicians will push for what their people want. Everyone disagrees until someone with money comes in and persuades them differently. This is why the constitution was designed to place strict limitations on the federal government and established more state rights. The founding fathers could not agree on what government should do domestically so they left it up to the states and wanted to prevent a federal government from being too powerful. Members of congress I do feel represent their people for the most part, but what every state wants is so different then it becomes impossible to come up with a solution that most people can agree on. Money thus plays a factor in persuading politicians in supporting something. The fact is that the federal government should not have that power to begin with.
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  134. +Riccardo C Ok, now say a rich person gets arrested for protesting against Bernie's high taxes. Would you support that?
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  135. If republicans try to negotiate with democrats they are not going to be concern with Comrade Sanders. He is too radical. They only need a handful of democrats, so they will go after the moderate ones.
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  136. This guy's mistake was asking Bernie a question about business. The only response he was going to get was "MILLIONAIRES AND BILLIONAIRES". That's it. If you were to ask Bernie a question related to Quantum Field Theory he would say "Climate change causes terrorism". All his answers are predictable.
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  137. Bernie lost the primaries by almost 4 million votes. Face the facts that no one likes Bernie.
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  138. ***** What rights are gays being denied? 
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  139. ***** "right to marry, adopt", you have no such rights, nobody does. "see their partner in hospital" you also don't have that right and that is up to the hospital. "in Indiana now they can be discriminated against" Business owners have property rights and religious rights.  They don't lose that when you open a business.  Also, people are discriminated against all the time.  So it is ok for individuals to do it but the second they open a business they can't?  That is like saying the second you own a car you lose your free speech right.  It is a ridiculous argument. We can't concern ourselves with other countries.  You are arbitrarily claiming rights that don't exist.
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  140. ***** Point to me were marriage is a right.
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  141. Once again Bernie rants about taxing the rich and giving away free shit.
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  142. +tangerinestorm How does my argument not hold true?
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  143. +Nathan smith Desegregation was a constitutional ruling based off of the 14th amendment. The problem that has been created with that is forced integration which is the other radical approah. The New Deal (in the 30s) created a depression and many of the problems we have now. It was the war that ended the depression.
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  144. Ok, now what if someone who is rich gets arrested for refusing to pay taxes? Would Bernie Sanders supporters feel they were doing the right thing?
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  145. +Mary Jean Just because something is a law doesn't make it right. And yes, people can peacefully protest, who said Bernie was at that time? It is like the people who block off freeways and bridges, that is not peaceful protest.
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  146. Bill is correct, Bernie did not give an answer besides use government force. Might as well shoot every third person on Wall Street, that would be the same thing.
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  147. johnny cake Ok 
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  148. R P, Bernie is predictable. If you talk about anything related to the economy he will simply talk about the rich people and free shit. On healthcare he went to the talking point us supposedly being the only nation on earth without universal healthcare which shows his ignorance on the topic. It isn't about getting priorities straight, is it about pressuring Comrade Sanders to make him an honest politician.
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  149. Bernie was an independent for years then changed to run for president. Rule are rules, the democrats did not have to have a primary election but they did. All this is, though, is a retirement party for Bernie Sanders who is a career politician. Win or lose he is going out with a bang.
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  150. +augustin1999 How many employees do they have, how many mcdonalds they have. Serving size, hours open. How productive their workers are. I went to a McDonalds months ago (I really don't go anymore) and they messed up my order. That is just with McDonalds. If you start looking at the entire economy it becomes more complex.
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  151. How about the greed of Bernie Sanders and his supporters. The greed of Bernie Sanders for wanting power inequality. The greed of Bernie's supporters wanting to attacking the rich and give them an artificial raise in raising the min. wage.
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  152. But Bernie is not telling his supporters to stop disrupting Trump's rallies. There is some responsibility he needs to deal with.
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  153. Will the care be the same? You are adding 30 million people to the system and Bernie's plan will cut payments by 40%. Something has to give.
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  154.  @matthewkheyfets1309  , exactly. What Bernie supporters don't understand is that they are being fooled, they are useful idiots. These politicians will be fine no matter what, they vote for their own pay raises. The rich are rich because they are intelligent. If you attack them with higher taxes they will find a way to avoid them, many others pay, or simply find a way to make more money. They will remain rich. I hate rich people, I really do. I feel they are narcissist with no morals, but here is the thing, I rather have a situation where they only way they can become rich is by serving us as opposed to playing the system. Under many of these democrats the rich will get rich by playing the system and screwing us. In a free market the rich can only get rich by serving us.
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  155.  @menamiller50  , yep. That is pretty much what I hear. You see this with many government programs. It creates a problem so they create another government program to "solve" it but it ends up creating more problems. Look at CA, they have a very friendly welfare situation for the homeless. The homeless in San Fran use needles and thus there is an issue of diseases for sharing needles. Instead of changing the welfare situation to alleviate homelessness they offer free needles at clinics with the idea that these drug addicts will return them, they don't. Now the streets are littered with needles. Solution for that? Hire people to pick them up. It compounds. Watching a lot of the debate they really seem to ignore many factors at play. For example, giving people new jobs in the "green" industry is not that simple, How many are actually trained for those jobs?
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  156.  @matthewkheyfets1309  , exactly. The rich are smart and know the system. They will find a way to get rich. I rather have it be by them serving us. Bezos got rich by making shopping easier for me, not by cheating the system. Bernie has never worked a day in his life, that is his problem.
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  157.  @JediMobius  , what higher paying jobs? You mean doctors and nurses? We lack them to begin with. Every med school has less than a 50% acceptance rate. Being a doctor is challenging. What I find to be sad with far leftists is they want these great things, like healthcare for all, but they are not willing to put in the work to do it. They feel that magically the goods and services will appear. 10% is a lot and far from manageable. If I were to increase your workload by 10% how will you react? The care will change because you are increasing demand in the system without increasing supply. That will cost a lot if you want the same quality of care. Again, if your workload was increased by 10% I imagine you will demand a raise. Under Bernie's plan, though, he will pay 40% less. That will mean less access and lower quality. If I were to cut your pay by 40% how will you react? Something has to give. This is very basic economics, I mean as basic as it gets. You can't expect to add 30 million people to healthcare and not expect it to be very expensive. You can't expect to reduce pay by 40% and not expect a drop in quality and access. To feel that way is pure ignorance. As for Bernie's point, he doesn't know how insurance companies, or really any company works. A lot of those profits go to shareholders where shareholders is the reason why these companies are so big to begin with. I am all for healthcare reform, but this is a challenging topic. M4A may be the solution, but you have to be honest. If you can't get the basic economics of it how I can take you seriously. Watch this video on it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e893Ky7iM6Y
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  158. Rose Arthur, you don't have a right to the services from police.
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  159. Harold, you don't have a right to schools. You don't have a right to police and fire departments. Learn what rights are. Learn the law before you discuss it.
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  160. Bernie always dodges questions
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  161. To make some politician happy. He had a lot to gain here. The Jan 6th committee was going nowhere. They needed something new.
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  162. Maybe she needs to remember that Brady just threw a ball up for grabs that got picked off and also threw a ball in the middle of nowhere for a safety. The thing is that Brady is what he is. He is a good QB that won with great defenses in the past now can't since he is on good teams instead of great teams. People realize that and hate it when Brady gets all the credit for the wins but never for the loss.
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  163. So sad to read the comments and realizing how many communists we have that are willing to bow down to the government without question in the name of "safety". Luckily I feel most are consolidated in NY and NJ, two states doing the worse with this virus. So while the rest of the nation opens up, and continues to seeing drops or stagnant in daily cases despite new testing, those two states can continue to live in fear and bow down to their rulers.
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  164. NY was seeing over 900 deaths a day, FL is around 100. FL is going to reach herd immunity with less deaths than NY had.
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  165.  @landontaylor4485  you are not really good at math bud.
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  166. It isn't. That is on the healthcare workers. What do you want her to do? Go and make the tests?
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  167.  @matthewmayorga917  she has people in place to handle that. She is not personally doing it herself. Please, try to think critically.
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  168. It isn't "common sense" as there is an argument to begin with.
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  169. Chances are you had the virus, was out in public and did not know about it. A recent study out of Penn State suggests that early case numbers are actually over 80 times higher than reported. That means NY could have had over 5 million cases which explains why their case numbers dropped so fast, they are at herd immunity now.
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  170.  Kevin Montrond  not so much a fraud but overblown. Noticed how they are not talking about deaths? Because the deaths are not going up. In fact, in a few weeks these areas will see a sharp decline in cases as they build up herd immunity.
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  171. Because many experts disagree with Fauci but he is the only guy the media listens to
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  172. Trump did not "repeal" DACA, he passed the job on to Congress which is forcing Congress to do their job which is create laws. Why does Bernie Sanders lie so much? He is the best example of a corrupt politician.
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  173. Bernie doesn't have a clue on healthcare, or he is lying on purpose. His plan will never work.
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  174.  @Swnsasy  , saying it "works" in those nations is flawed. One, they all have something different, next they have many flaws as well such as people going blind in the UK due to the rationing of eye surgery of the NHS and people dying in Canada due to the rationing of heart surgery. But go ahead and ignore those things.
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  175. How is she selfish and stupid?
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  176. What makes Fauci a "top infectious disease expert"? You do know there are other experts out there that disagree with him?
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  177. The founding fathers were some of the most intelligent member of the history of man. They knew that technology would get improve and we would get better guns. They develop the 2nd amendment to give the US citizens the ability to revolt against he governments. They knew technology would get better but they knew the that citizens always needed a way to protect themselves.
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  178. Actually it is true. Casino owners always cared about the community. In Reno recently a dorm at the university exploded. One of the casinos, at a discount price, is allowing freshman to live there. When the mob ran the casinos they made sure there were no crime taking place so tourist have fun.
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  179.  @lochbessmonsta5348  that is how it works. When the mob ran the casinos they wanted no violent crime so tourists will be safe. Learn history.
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  180. Remember, if you are white you can't be poor according to Bernie. Also, is there any recording of Trump making these comment? If not then there is not any proof.
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  181. People actually believe this?
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  182. Why are we talking to only one expert? Many will agree with Paul
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  183. Yep comrade, bow down to the all knowing and all safe government.
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  184. "Little Tip: Fox News does not have best track record, when it comes to the 'truth'" So a site called "outsidethebeltway" does? I never heard of that site.
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  185.  @paulpierantozzi  the federal government cannot force states to shut down. I find it funny how leftists called Trump a fascist when at this time he can act like one and force all states to shut down but he did not. Instead he let the states decide. So what is it, is he a fascist or not? If he would have shut down every state you guys will be calling him a fascist. CA shut down first because they were one of the first cases. But there is evidence that the virus was there in November and considered an "early flu season". But go ahead and blame Trump. At this point I have learn not to listen to leftists as they are all over the place. They will call Trump a fascist but when he does not enact some federal regulation you want you will call him an idiot.
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  186.  @paulpierantozzi  "Trump should have done this nationwide" And you guys would have called him a fascist in doing so. So what's the point? It is no winning for you guys. Also, many states don't have stay at home orders and are doing fine. This virus is actually heavily concentrated in the New England states.
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  187.  @gagewesterhouse9558  I know. What is ironic is if Trump shut down the entire nation people on the left will be calling him a fascist in doing so. You can't win with these guys.
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  188.  @paulpierantozzi  yes you would. Just like people called him racist for calling it the Chinese virus and he placed a travel ban. There is no winning with you guys. For years you have been calling him a fascist where at this time he could have gained power in shutting down the nation but instead he left it up to the states. He placed the travel ban in early February. That is the extent he can do. Why didn't other states follow suit? Also, that are plenty of states still open who are fine. Most states who are struggling are in the New England region. Trump listens to scientists. I recommend you do as well. Recent research suggests this virus is not as deadly as people think.
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  189. Bernie is deceptive when he talks about military spending. Saying we spend more than the next 12 countries (I also heard 7 and 8) is deceptive in that our overall GDP is comparable to those countries combine GDP. Compare it to this, a 300 pound guy can weigh more than 10 people combine, if they are all a bunch of toddlers weighing less than 30 pounds. Bernie citing polls is not how we should govern our nation.
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  190.  @moustacheaventures3302  that is not true. Black protestors had guns and protested in front of the capital in MI. No arrests.
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  191. Uh, no you don't.
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  192. "That's why you shouldn't drive on public roads. " 3/4 of funding for roads come from the state and local level. Some areas have only gravel and dirt roads and when it snows the only time it gets cleared is if a local volunteer clears it. So do you want your healthcare system to be ran like that?
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  193. Because it fits the left wing media's narrative. Sources like CNN want us to continue to be scared in an effort to beat Trump. It is not going to work
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  194. "In the U.S. we have corporations running our government, and with government officials benefiting from their connections to the corporations. Increasingly, the government and private enterprise are indistinguishable." So why do people support Bernie when he wants to make the federal government more powerful? That will make it more corrupt.
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  195. "he CEO pay increases as our wages have been stagnant​ for decades." The worker to CEO ratio has gone up meaning CEOs are responsible for more workers. For examples, I ran though the numbers showing that the CEO of Walmart is actually earning half of what he earned 20 years ago if you account for the number of employees. "Haven't you gotten it through your head that the rich don't create jobs? We do, those who buy goods and services which create demand. " Not true. Competition creates jobs. Businesses will invest and create jobs to beat competitors. They will invest to grow and create new products that are better and cheaper. Society wants better things, businesses will offer it as that give them the edge in the market.
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  196. Luke Drumm, for the most part Venezuela did fail because of the government taking over the economy. Bernie praised that model in the past but is now silence. You can have a strong economy even with just oil, but the government got in the way.
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  197. "You seem to believe money is everything. KFC detract value from society. It's great for people who want to make money. Not for those content to simply exist. That's the funny thing about those who endorse rabbid capitalism, they don't seem to consider the fact that the resulting goods and services aren't always beneficial." This is the beauty of capitalism. People who make money only do so by offering a product and/or service to people who simply want to exist. Most people simply want to exist, they don't want to run a company. Walmart is as big as they are because it offers a wide variety of affordable products to people who simply want to exist.
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  198. "Look into medicare and make it more financially viable. America can fund a bigger military. Why not put that money into taking care of your people instead?" Healthcare is 1/6 of our GDP. Defense spending is 3% of our GDP. It isn't as easy as "fund it". Also, to join the military you only need a high school diploma. To become a doctor you need 10+ years of schooling and you can still leave if you want to. Comparing the defense to medicare show economic and financial illiteracy. There is more to it than just money.
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  199. "I'm not saying capitalism isn't good for society. I'm saying capitalism that doesn't cater to society isn't valuable. KFC make tripe that detracts from the health of the consumer. Pay the bare minimum where possible and profit from it. " KFC pays little because that is all they can afford. Just like I bet you do not own a 5 bedroom mansion in the bay area, you can't afford it. You live in a place you can afford. Same with the type of car you drive or other possessions. You have a limited amount of income. As for society, they do not have to eat there. No one is forcing them to take their product. However, people that simply want to exist do eat there. What's wrong with that? KFC did not hold a gun to anyone's head forcing them to eat there.
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  200. " It would also crash if all their workers disappeared, so I rest my case." That would never happen as in the very end someone has to produce. If you go to your extreme and no one works nothing gets done. Eventually you will become hungry and you will work to find food. You will become cold and you will work to find clothes and heat. Now from there we develop to where we are now. Some people will work harder and get ahead in life. But the idea of no one working is a scenario that will only exist if man is no longer around.
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  201. Chad Cain, that is deceptive. To start, productivity is up because of technology. Next, looking at wages and not cost of living is flawed. While that report does to a degree, you have to understand many things are better overall and cheaper. For example, cars are better, last longer, get better mileage, safer, etc. That saves money. Technology is more energy efficient which again saves moneys. Other factors have kept wages down such as increase in immigration and women entering the workforce. It isn't so much businesses are being "greedy".
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  202. Yes.
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  203. This isn't a small sacrifice. The economy is falling apart which can lead to more deaths compared to the virus. Right now we have a meat shortage and soon to be a food shortage. Why? Because people are not working. When there is no production there are no goods and services to go around and thus even more people will starve. So no, this is not some "small sacrifices" but huge ones.
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  204. Obama is a failure because he refused to go to the center. He is trying to set up a communist country so for 3 years he was blame Emmanueal Goldstein and now he is vote for me. And just because the majority agrees with something doesn't mean it is right. That is why we don't live in a complete democracy because a democracy is 51% telling 49% what to do even if that 51% has no idea what is going one.
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  205. In March around 24% of the tests were coming back positive. Now it is around 8%. Trump is correct. More testing means more cases.
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  206.  @digitaldavenyc  the issue is that Fauci is not of many experts where some will disagree with Fauci.
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  207. It is clear with the comments that people are dumb. Bernie completely misrepresented the study and it is clear.
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  208. I am not trolling. I am telling the truth.
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  209. Arshan, sorry for the late reply, I do have responsibilities. Bernie misrepresented the study by claiming medicare for all would save the American people money. That is not what the study concludes. Bernie made that conclusion by pointing to the $32 trillion over 10 years the study published. Bernie did a grossly oversimplification presentation with that number and compared it to what we pay now and said we will save money. However, you have to see what that $32 trillion over 10 years actually is. To start, that number is just for public spending, it does not include private which will still exist even with medicare for all. Bernie using what we pay now includes both private and public. Next, that $32 trillion was the lower bound. They found a range of numbers but published the lower bound. Chances are the cost will be higher. They also made assumptions based on Bernie's numbers that are most likely not going to happen. For example, they are saying that despite increasing demand prices will not go up which is an economic fallacy. Also, they are saying that health providers will be willing to take 40% less money, that is based on Bernie's numbers. That is unrealistic unless quality goes down or you do some sort of tort reform because doctors and hospitals pay a lot in liability insurance to protect against malpractice lawsuits. Overall, that $32 trillion 1. Does not include private care cost 2. Was a conservative estimate 3. Made many assumptions that economically will not happen Bernie compare that number to 1. A number that includes both public and private cost 2. He did not give the full details about the study In the end Bernie is misrepresenting the study because Bernie is a corrupt, career politician. He doesn't care about actually discussing the issues and progressing our country, he only cares about keeping his seat in office.
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  210.  @pidayrocks2235  it is not that simple because, again, you have to consider the people who were not tested and also to what degree the virus plays a role in a person's death. I find it ironic you tell me to read up on statistics when you clearly do not understand yourself as you oversimplify this complex issue. You are saying a 17% mortality rate meaning that people are dying only because of the virus and nothing else. It is not that simple.
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  211.  @pidayrocks2235  yes, we need a larger sample size. Another issue is that with the US being as large as it is sample too little in one area can play a role. For examples, there are many counties in TX that have zero cases where a more denser area will have more.
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  212.  @pidayrocks2235  the 80 million case is a stretch, but it is based on antibody testing out of NY, Santa Clara and USC where more people than expected had the antibody. That suggests many were infected without knowing it. As for statistics, I just made a remark to someone else how, with your method, you are saying that those who die with the virus is purely because of the virus and thus there is a 17% mortality rate. However, there are comorbitities in that almost all who died have other health issues. Thus, the proper way is to weigh out to what degree the virus plays a role. For example, if someone had heart disease, diabetes, and the virus and the virus is listed as 3rd in cause of death and heart disease was number one, the proper way would bee to say, and just giving a number, that the virus contributed 20% to the person's death where 50% was from hear disease and 30% was from diabetes. The issue is that no one know to what degree the virus plays a role because one, we do not have a control, and two, the data set is low. As I pointed out in the example of number of people dying due to lack of healthcare access, that number ranges from essentially zero to 60,000 a year. But again, those people are sick to begin with. In the book "Being Mortal" the author writes how people seek out modern medicine to live another 5 or 10 years but will really live only 5 or 10 months. That is because people in that case who die have many issues. So with this virus, basically all who died were old and/or sick to begin with. So their chances of dying in a few months was high to begin with. As for upper and lower bounds, you are throwing out words you do not understand. That is basically a function of the math. No different than an average and a standard deviation. You can have an average with a low SD with a small data set. And you can have an average with a higher SD with a larger data set. What is more accurate? Many will argue the larger data set. In the Scientific American article entitled "How can a poll of only 1,004 Americans represent 260 million people with only a 3 percent margin of error?" Prof. Andrew Gelman writes "The margin of error is a mathematical abstraction, and there are a number of reasons why actual errors in surveys are larger." Basically, it falls from the math which is why a lot of times end results differ greater than the polls. Same with what you are throwing out. A lot of numbers in stats are mathematical abstractions. A famous book is "How to Lie with Statistics". Basically, people can do legit analysis on any stat and come up with varying conclusions. Bottom line, 100,000 is a small sample size for something this complex. And you claim I do not understand statistics?
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  213.  @martinhumble  the US is doing better than many nations with universal healthcare.
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  214.  @caleysmith4007  Italy, France, Spain, the UK. All have more deaths per million than us.
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  215. @Ronnie Allen we should not have universal healthcare.
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  216.  @realise6  look up worldometer, per million Spain, Italy, France and the Uk are all doing worse. Also, there is data that suggests that the US has more cases than expected.
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  217. Name me one right that gays lack. Also. Roe v Wade is not the signature case in abortion. Casey v PP is. Also, just because the majority of the population support something does not mean we should allow it. If slavery was popular should we allow it?
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  218. This girl really needs to go away.
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  219. Rachel 61, care to give examples of how Trump's rhetoric created that example? I need quotes. Also, there were good people on both sides in Charlottesville, they just had different opinions on what should happen to the statue. He also did denounce David Duke.
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  220. Yeah, and remember when politicians did not care about us and only cared about their donors and friends? Trump is actually working to make America better. Sorry that change scares you.
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  221. Wow, more shows his ignorance once again. Saying most republicans didn't feel Obama wasn't born in the US. Where does he get this stat? This is the same guy who also claimed 9/11 was a cover up. Also, in defense of the Reps., why did it take so long for Obama to show the certificate and shut the idiots up? And complaining about GM making $4 billion in profits. Moore, you know they invest that in other goods. If it wasn't for such strong unions most of those people would have kept their jobs.
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  222. Saying it "works" in other nations is a low standard to set.
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  223. Andrew Church, there are many factors outside of healthcare that contribute to lower stats. For example, we have higher obesity rates due to our poor diets. Higher obesity means higher risk for infant mortality.
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  224. Higher tax rates does not always equal higher revenue.
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  225. Works fine in the US.
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  226. Rooty, the US healthcare system in on par with the rest of the world.
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  227. Eric Brown, healthcare is a commodity. Someone has to provide it and that person needs to be compensated. If you don't have the money then people will not provide healthcare.
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  228. By lowering the quality.
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  229. Many will die due to the bad economy. These are the hard discussions many don't want to have but at some point you have to weigh the pros and cons.
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  230. "We need open borders, and give those immigrants free healthcare, and free college because Walmart has too much money!" Bernie Sanders
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  231. Protection. I have a colleague who used his Desert Eagle to defend his home. Guns are used a lot to stop crime.
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  232. Bernie voted against it because it does not spend enough.
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  233. I heard reports of 7 and 8, and now 12? What is the accurate number? Also, if you went with the 8 value and combined the GDP of those nations and compared the spending the US spends only 1% more in GDP on defense. Our GDP is comparable to those countries' GDP combine. It only makes sense we spend more on defense then them. I bet we spend more on education as well than them combined.
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  234. "Education spending in the US is pitifully small compared to developed countries." Do you have numbers to back that up?
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  235. All Fauci did was fear monger. At this point you can predict what he will say. It will be something along the lines of we are heading the wrong direction, do not open up, and other BS. He is proving to be out of touch and thus not a leader. A leader will give cautious remarks, but also positive ones showing there is a light at the end of the tunnel. He does not do that. That is why people stopped listening to him.
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  236. "We bailed them out in 2008 because things were awful and they were "too big to fail"." Who did that? The democrats with a democrat congress. From that came the TEA party who are against the bailouts.
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  237.  @sagisli  the country is not leading the world in infections and deaths when you take population into account. Nations with more deaths per million, San Marino, Andorra, Spain, Belgium, Italy France, etc. There are several in front of the US. That is even with us over stating the numbers (such as someone with coronavirus dies is listed as a coronavirus death even if the cause was coronavirus or not). Trump did well, he let the states handle it. The reason why is because every state is experiencing this issue differently. Most of the cases/deaths in the US are in the New England area such as Connecticut, NY, NJ, etc. Newsome is just lucky he is in an area that was not hit hard. Also, there is evidence to suggest that the early flu season in CA was actually the virus. Thus people in CA already experienced the virus and built up an immunity.
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  238. GA has been open for two weeks and despite more testing their number of cases per day has actually dropped.
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  239.  GreenIdLady 1  lower death rates. Talk to me when FL and TX are seeing 900 deaths a day like NY was.
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  240. Bernie gets a hard on for these unreliable polls.
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  241. Or you can predict everything Fauci says. All he does is fear monger. He provides no positive light on this issue and there are other experts out there that disagree with him. His moment of fame is done.
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  242. GA's cases are starting to drop where their deaths never went up. Their deaths are actually lower than when they were in lock down.. They have been the most successful state.
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  243.  Bobby B  In NY of the deaths from those who were 44 and younger they made up around 4% of the total deaths. Of them over 2/3 had underlying conditions. Some were unclear and some had none. Out of those who had none they made up around 1/7 of the deaths. So, 1/7 of 4% is around 0.5%. Thus, out of NY, if you are healthy and under 44 you have a 0.5% chance of dying.
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  244.  @americanscarelines2757  I did. We are flat line. We have around 2300 today but we had that much a few days ago. Prior to that we had a situation where we went from 1100 to 2000. Please learn how to read statistics.
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  245.  Jeffrey Hagelin  great and? The number is slowing down. You are looking over many months. Also, how many will suffer and die because of the poor economy? I recommend you study economics as when you do you realize these are the difficult issues to address, but reality.
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  246. SVENDINVAN, so David Duke standing up for his beliefs in racism is a good thing according to you?
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  247. SVENDINVÄN, what if people took David Duke seriously?
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  248. Derp Derpinson, where did I allude to that I wanted to abolish the first amendment?
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  249. SVENDINVÄN, also, the point was you can stand up for your belief and still be corrupt and an idiot like Bernie
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  250. SVENDINVAN, Bernie is corrupt because he is a career politician. He hasn't done anything in his life besides work in politics. He has become rich doing so when he should be serving his country. Now he has gone as far as write a book and made a million off of it when it was sold in Walmart. Bernie has never done anything outside of politics. He is an establishment politician. He will use politics to his advantage as opposed to doing what is best for the country.
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  251. SVENDINVAN, I have evidence, you just can't accept them. Why does Bernie own three homes when so many do not even own one? What is he doing with his millions he got from his book deal that was sold in Walmart? Why did he sell his book in Walmart? What has he ever done for society as in produce?
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  252. SVENDINVAN, selling a book in a company you berate and becoming rich while doing it does make you corrupt. He can offer the book for free like many people do. "neither does owning a third home with money that you've earned." So you will disagree with Bernie in wanting to tax the rich more?
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  253. "How was what i said even remotely contradictory to taxing the rich?" They earned that money, why should you tax it at an unfair rate? "You know printing books costs money right?" These days it doesn't as you can post them online. Even at that, why should he profit at $1 million?
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  254. SVENDINVAN, he could have put it out for free on the internet. What he did by selling that book was take advantage of the capitalist society we have. Especially when he sold it in Walmart.
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  255. We do not have a free market system in healthcare. That is where our problems come with healthcare.
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  256. Tokenetta, Trump was not a career politician. All he did was follow the law. Just because it benefited him was not his fault, that is the politicians fault. And how is Trump corrupt? He could have just counted his millions and sat in his office the rest of his life. He decided to become president which in all reality he is limited in power. Bernie, however, is a career politician. If he weren't in office he would have been dead by now due to his inability to actually work and produce. Bernie just wants a government check. However, he did write a book, sold it in evil Walmart, and made a million dollars that he donat.......I mean pocketed himself.
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  257. This virus is not that deadly. Around 90% who die are 55 and older. In NY people under the age of 45 made up around 4% of the death were over 2/3 of them had other conditions. Right now we are at a point where these lock downs are causing more harms and we need to open back up. We are also in a position to start pushing for herd immunity.
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  258.  @hyg44gu54  I have been going to work every day. And just because I am not on the "frontline" does not mean I cannot have an educated opinion. We just had back to back days of less than 1000 deaths in this nation. We have not had that since near the end of March. Fact is the pandemic is ending.
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  259.  @jimskarw25  it is. A vaccine will take over a year. Right now is the time to do it because viruses do not spread as fast outdoors, especially in warmer weather. Also, there is evidence that an immunity can be built up and evidence that it can last around 10 years. Also, our hospitals are ready for more patients. Now is the time to open up and let the virus spread. It will be slow because, as you can read by the comments, many will not go outside and others won't due to lack of money. But enough will to build up a herd immunity to prevent a second wave.
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  260.  @hyg44gu54  you can build up an immunity without a vaccine. And cases are dropping.
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  261.  @jimskarw25  never said there was a cure. What I am saying is that you can build up an immunity.
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  262. Yep, bow down to your overlords without any questions.
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  263.  @Jeff-kw8jj  I would agree with that. States like NY, NJ, MA and PA were slammed hard but then saw a sharp decline in cases. That suggest herd immunity even though only around 2% of the population is known to have had the virus. It also begs the question on how deadly this virus is.
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  264.  @redpilled4781  what are you saying?
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  265.  @redpilled4781  92% recovered in MA
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  266. It is beyond that. Right now productivity is down where we are seeing a shortage of a lot of supplies. Even if the government gives out money it does not matter if there are no goods to buy. We have to start producing again. If not we will be screwed in two ways, a virus and no food.
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  267.  @richardhufferson8511  , M4A may be cheaper because of it having a 40% less pay rate, but when you cut pay by 40% healthcare providers will limit access. One reason why we spend so much is because we offer more advanced care and have higher success rates on advanced illnesses. We offer more CT scans and MRIs per capita and as outlined in Scott Atlas' book "In Excellent Health" we have higher survival rates on advanced illnesses. Other nations spend less because they limit how much care you can receive. That is why you have people dying waiting for "elective" heart surgery in those nations. As for the pool, when you have one pool you remove competition. Healthcare providers will either jack up prices or lower accessibility. If Medicare refuses to pay people will complain to the government. If government forces prices to drop healthcare providers will lower quality and accessibility.
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  268.  @DeanerWatson  it isn't so much lies but more of he is all over the place, always negative, and ignores other factors involved. First he said don't wear a mask, but now when vaccinated we still have to wear masks. He is looking to change the definition of what is fully vaccinated now from 2 shots to 2 shots and the booster. He is always negative and never gives positive stories related to this virus suggesting there is light at the end of the tunnel. In May 2020 a Science article suggested long term immunity which is great, that means there is a possible end to this. He just doom and gloom and never gives a standard in when this will all end. He ignores negative outcomes from the lockdowns such as psychological damage and economical damage and does not consider that it may be worse than the virus. He just focuses on the virus and nothing else. That is highly anti science. This is why so many are sick of him. People are sick of him appearing on the media, being negative all the time and not giving a standard on when it will end. Many, like me, have moved on. The virus is here to stay. I rather live life than live in fear. If the virus kills me at least it will while I was enjoying life and not hiding in my closet wearing 2 masks.
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  269.  @DeanerWatson  and yes, he was tasked in quarterbacking this thing. A part of that is giving positive news. With him being negative all the time and showing there is not end to this people just moved on. This virus is not that dangerous. Where I live people are not wearing masks, hanging out in big crowds and are fine. If the virus was really that dangerous the death rate of where I live, and other areas like it will be very high, it is not.
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  270.  @DeanerWatson  also, with kids. Their chances of dying from covid is essentially zero. But he is pushing vaccination on them and mask wearing. Why?
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  271. T Mc, it was a fact check where Bernie misrepresented the study. Bernie said one thing where the study says something else. Now if the study is flawed than Bernie should be able to point it out. However, he can't, so he has to lie.
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  272. A lot of nations that are doing worse than us have universal healthcare.
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  273.  Playa  true. Our culture won't accept it either.
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  274.  @BookerT48  happiness is relative and deals strongly with culture. You can't quantify happiness. Also, just because you are happy does not mean you are in the best case. Consider a homeless guy who finally gets a studio apartment, they are happy. Now consider a guy who owns a home, loses it and has to reduce down to a studio apartment, they are not happy. But with culture, look up Hofstede cultural dimension. Compare Norway, Denmark and Sweden to the US. Look at the masculinity measurement. The numbers are very low for those three nations but in the 60s for the US. A low masculinity means the nation is feminine which means their culture value doing good for society. A masculine culture is a competitive who look up to success. Now there are pros and cons to both. While sure, a feminine culture may be "happy", but communist nations are also feminine. Russia is feminine as they are comrades that serve when their country calls. Many may say masculine cultures are greedy, and sure. But to obtain success you typically have to cater to someone. For example, Bezos became successful by providing an easy way to shop for many Americans. Or consider myself. I am a PhD candidate. To get a PhD I have to do original research and publish it carving out new information in the science world. So it goes beyond universal healthcare .
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  275. They are communist. Every day Gov. Cuomo gives a press conference showing pretty slides and the people of NY listen and obey without question.
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  276. You are leaving out that most get their plan through their employer. Also, saying that single payer will cost people 2% of their income is based off of ????????
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  277. It is much more complicated than that. In healthcare we lack doctors, nurses, surgeons, researchers, and other skilled workers. Increasing demand for healthcare will mean higher prices thus higher taxes. You are not paying for a road here, you are dealing with a multi million dollar industry of highly skilled workers.
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  278. "Giving everyone equal opportunity with hard work to get advanced educations." We lack professors, TAs, tutors, dorms, classrooms, etc. We lack resources in colleges to provide it for more people. Also, K-12 education is free for everyone in all 50 states. After that you should be able to manage your own life.
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  279. Joshua Rae, you say that business should not survive. I can turn that around and say that someone who cannot justify a higher wage should not survive. Yes, starting a business is a risk, and they are taking a financial risk hiring people. They do not have to give people a job. You support less jobs because you feel a business is a failure.
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  280. You can die for many reasons, and your actions place others in danger as well. Fact is this virus is not that deadly. We need to get back to normal and the current living situation is harming lives.
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  281. Fauci trying to extend is new fame
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  282. They have shortcomings as well.
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  283. Bernie is a liar here. He starts by saying that tax cuts for the middle class are good. But he supports raising taxes on everyone. So what is it? Do you support cutting middle class tax cuts or raising taxes? Bernie lost, and he knows it. He he scared because he knows people are going to love this law and his socialist ideas are not popular.
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  284. It is on you to keep yourself out of harms way.
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  285. This father is too emotional, you cannot take him serious at that point. When emotions are high logic and reasoning go down. This man wants to be blunt, I would have been blunt with him. Push the emotions aside and look at the facts.
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  286. The whole point from the beginning was never to stop the spread completely but to slow it down. That was the whole idea of flattening the curve and herd immunity. At some point we have to say that the spread is slow enough for us to go back to normal.
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  287.  @Phentari  cases are starting to drop. By my numbers FL has reached their peak and is approaching herd immunity. So if, over the next couple weeks, cases continue drop will you support opening the schools? Be consistent. Also, deaths are low. And there is data to suggest kids are less likely to become infected thus the spread between them is slow. At this point people are just moving the goal posts.
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  288.  @legacylegacy3627  Biden said it himself, he is the democratic party. Why did he never call out democrats for their actions, or the media?
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  289.  @plutotech  no, but I can vote. Come 2022 republicans will over take congress and block Biden all the way.
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  290.  @pdoylemi  he did not con anyone with Trump University? What charities did he rob? And what tens of thousands of dead people? Why would Trump become president? He was already rich and well known. In fact, him becoming president made him hated by many people he used to get along with. So if you think it was to advance his or his family's brand, you are wrong. It most likely ruined it because of TDS. Trump was doing an actual public service being president. That as opposed to Biden who has done nothing outside of government.
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  291.  @plutotech  not going to happen. Trump supporters are energized and are going to come out on the midterms. Many Biden supporters did not vote for Biden, they voted against Trump. Biden is not going to rally people like Trump has. Also, I am planning on moving to a red state. Let the blue states suffer.
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  292. Sam Seder does not understand basic economics. He showed it in that video.
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  293. How so? She is fighting for her citizens.
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  294.  @janeknight5070  what about in NY? Many protests there.
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  295. "Millionaires and billionaires" "Healthcare is a right" "Living wage" "Fair share" "The 1%" Not really speaking clearly there, just a bunch of talking points. What any of his debates and speeches. Those are some of his go to phrases.
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  296. Greg Davison, they aren't. That is why he gets mad in debates when pushed on the issues or is asked to be more specific
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  297. It is one thing to honor the dead. It is another to use this time of high emotions to push for political propaganda. That is what is being done. She is pushing for a gun ban but is ignorant on the issue all together. Also, this has gone on for a month. The media needs to move one and stop using these children as shields to push a political agenda.
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  298. "Clash gaming with Zahid why do innocent people need semi-automatic rifles?" Why do people need flat screen TVs, or alcohol, or 20 pairs of shoes, or personalized license plates? There are many frivolous things out there. People buy guns for personal protection and for entertainment. Who are you to judge? I bet there are a lot of things you have that I find to be pointless. All more gun laws do it place the guns in the hands of criminals.
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  299. "the policeman’s job is to protect us." Which doesn't always happen. If someone breaks into my apartment cops will take minutes to get there. One reason why people are allowed to own guns is so people are allowed to protect themselves and not rely on the government. Just like freedom of press allows others to educate themselves without relying on the government. "How is it ok that this 19 year old who wasn’t mentally stable legally received a gun when he can’t even buy alcohol?" Gun laws and alcohol laws are different. But if you support banning guns on the idea that they are "designed to kill", why not ban alcohol? Why does a normal civilian need that? Also, that kid never received mental testing of any kind of mental care and never had due process so they never done anything to have their rights taken away.
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  300. Jaya Elizabeth, I have a colleague who at one point lived in a bad neighborhood. He had to use his Desert Eagle to defend his home. He lived there because rent was cheap and that was all he can afford. He was a "normal civilian" that owned a gun and protected his home with it. I guess he could have called the cops and maybe they would have shown up on time. I know you must live in a gated community and never have to go to someplace dangerous, but others do, including me. Having a gun is a way to protect ourselves if needed.
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  301. What messenger? All Fauci has done is fear monger and play politics.
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  302. In a nation of 327+ million people those are actually low numbers. According to the CDC more have died with pneumonia.
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  303.  @singvogel7895  this virus is not that deadly.
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  304. "We need open borders, and these new immigrants need to be given free healthcare and college paid from by the Koch brothers, Walmart, Amazon, and the top 10th of top 100th of the 1%!" Bernie Sanders
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  305.  @Darkannihilator1  , you can't quantify "happiness". Saying they are "happy" is not a solid argument as it is subjective. For example, in the US there is a correlation between income and suicide rates.
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  306. It was a fact check where Bernie claimed that the study says the US would save money under Medicare for all. Bernie pointed to that dollar amount. However, that dollar amount is just for public spending and does not include private. Also, the number admits that the number is a conservative estimate and chances are it would cost more, and it makes assumptions that increasing demand will not raise prices and doctors would take a 40% pay cut. Even with these assumptions and taking the lower amount you still get a very high number that will require a 50% increase in taxes. Point being is that Bernie is misrepresenting the study.
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  307. The study looks at only public spending. It says "increase federal budget", it does not include private spending. Also, the study admits that the number is a conservative estimate saying "It is likely that the actual cost of M4A would be substantially great than has been estimated from its legislative text."
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  308. Other nations have a private system of some kind. Even strong supporters of medicare for all say there will be a private system for you to use if you want.
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  309. MithraMusic, a program like M4A harms the middle class. They cannot afford to pay double and thus end up using medicare which is inferior to a private system. The rich can afford to pay double so they will get the best healthcare. No different than how the rich can afford to pay for the taxes for public schools and send their kids to private. Social programs screw over the middle class the most.
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  310. Bernie is all about discussing the issues. Here you have a study that is doing just that. When it came out Bernie completely misrepresents it. He needs to be held accountable. I support discussing the issues but Bernie needs to be honest about it. This is why people don't take him serious, he has to lie to push his ideas.
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  311. Matthew, police and roads are locally ran and funded and are a drop in the bucket compared to healthcare costs. Also, they are nowhere new as complex as healthcare.
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  312. She wears a mask
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  313. Not true.
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  314. "Socialism is against capitalism." Bernie Sanders is against capitalism. Small business owners have expressed concerns about his plan to him and he basically tells them to screw off. As a whole Bernie is a narcissist. You can tell when he bought his third home.
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  315. The people want to go back to work.
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  316. She isn't wrong. He wasn't a democrat. Why did he run as a democrat? He is on the democrat side until the democrats mess up. At that point Bernie is no longer a democrat.
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  317. Fauci is not nice. He is an out of touch fool that should not be in the position he is in.
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  318. So is Jeff Bezos going to a talking point for Bernie just like the Koch Brothers are and the Walton family?
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  319. The idea of preventative healthcare can be argued against. When Medicaid was expanded to 6000 patients in Oregon and those patients were compared to 6000 patients who did not receive Medicaid there wasn't any different in health outcomes. Reality is a major part of preventative care is lifestyle choices such as diet and exercise.
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  320. The point was to place us in a position to keep deaths down. Even with rising cases deaths are still low and not rising. The point was never to stop the spread. In fact, we want it to spread to build up herd immunity. As long as deaths do not spike up we are fine.
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  321.  @brooke7806  1000 is low compared to where we were at in April. Also, on average 7500 die a day in the US for many causes. So is 1000 a day really that big if a number.
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  322.  @jockyoung4491  define "many". And yes, the fact people die everyday is relevant. You can't just throw numbers out there, you have to put them in perspective. For example, according to the University of Minnesota 40% of deaths are in nursing homes. According the UCSF 50% of new nursing home patients die in 5 months. So here we are shutting down a nation, depression is up, antidepressant use is up to where the FDA placed on on a shortage list, substance abuse is up, etc. And how could we have done better.
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  323. Or people with rational thought. Go ahead and dig to find deaths for a virus that is not that deadly.
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  324. What truth? To live in fear?
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  325. It is on you to stay safe. In the end you have to look after yourself. Because a government keeping you "safe" can be used against you.
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  326. Most politicians try to explain why. Problem is that in politics people only look for yes or no on complex issues.
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  327. Uh, saying other nations do it is not a strong argument as you are ignoring many factors outside of healthcare that can contribute to the outcomes.
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  328. "Let me sum up why for Bernie, he wants over taxation along with higher deficit spending. " That pretty much sums up all of his speeches.
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  329. Robert Jesson, great point. I hate the arguments of "other countries do it". Other countries are different and have different cultures. You cannot compare. Australia is an island, why compare it to the US?
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  330. Socialism fails on the large scale because future generations become entitled and lazy. Why work when the government can just provide everything for you?
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  331. Not true. The study was just for public spending where Bernie is trying to compare it to what we spend now both publicly and privately. Also, the study made many assumptions that are unrealistic unless the quality of healthcare will drop. That is not reported as well. What happened is that Bernie took a number and completely misrepresented it. Bernie is being dishonest here because he is a career, corrupt politician.
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  332. He also said the SC makes the law of the land. Apparently he does not understand that is the job of Congress.
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  333. Because he is a hack. He has been a nobody until recently and since then he has shown to have no clue the general public thinks and how to handle this situation. All he does is fear monger and gives no positive outlook. It divided our nation into 1. people are confused as he is not telling the full story 2. people are scared as all he does is fear monger 3. people are sick of him I am in group three. I am all for taking precautions. But when Fauci does nothing but fear monger and his predictions continue to be wrong I cannot listen anymore. Have been more correct than Fauci.
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  334. Deaths are still low. Fauci has been nothing but negative.
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  335. Bernie, in less than 3 minutes, went to identity politics and a rant on healthcare and wages. This is why Bernie is considered to be a joke by many. He falls to the same talking points as opposed to staying on topic.
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  336. Deaths are still low and evidence shows that kids are less likely to get the disease. The goal from the beginning was to slow down the spread, and with kids it is slow. It was never about stopping the spread to be zero.
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  337. Yakno Yaa, Canada has a lower murder rate than the US if you remove all gun murders from the US. At that point you have to realize it is that the US, for many reasons, is simply a more violent nation. That is not a gun issue.
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  338. So natural resources are gift of god according to Moore. Well, food is listed at that, and Moore isn't conserving food. And the tea party is for conserving money, that means not throwing away in health care, unemployment, welfare, college education, etc. but investing it. They are for a balance budget admendment which is what we need, it controls the government.
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  339. This is how Persia became Iran. One side of the political spectrum silencing and arresting the other.
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  340. We do not govern on polls. Bernie needs to stop pointing to opinion polls with vague questions.
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  341. Oh, now Bernie Sanders cares about the military when he been wanting to cut it for years. This communist needs to go away.
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  342. @JRG2733 the issue is that this virus is not that deadly. The vast majority are old. For example, overall over 90% who die were 55 and older. In NY those who die who were 44 and younger made up 4% of the deaths. Out of those over 2/3 had underlying conditions. Thus, virtually all who die are either sick or old to begin with. The next issue is that you can build up an immunity to this, and potentially one up to around 10 years. So while we wait for a vaccine we can push for herd immunity to avoid another spike. To do that, however, we need to open up. Now is the time. Our hospitals have empty spaces and viruses do not travel as well outside, especially under warm weather. There is also evidence that more than we think have the immunity. But staying lock down is not going to help in both the economy and overall health. In reality, staying lock down will lead to another spike where opening up won't.
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  343. So many triggered leftists here. Tapper is correct, Bernie is wrong (or lied). The Koch brothers study did not say that Medicare for all would save the American people money. Sorry that facts hurt your feelings.
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  344. bwink23, Bernie is entertainment, so are his fans. He will never become president, but watching him rant on "living wage" and "tax the rich" and "white people can't be poor" and "the top 1%" is funny. At this point I am just laughing at stupidity of him and his fans.
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  345. When emotions go up logic and reasoning go down. This girl should be seeing a counselor. She should not be paraded around by the media pushing for gun control propaganda.
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  346. Bernie has one tax plan, tax everyone at 90%.
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  347. This is a violation of free speech. What Jones said was sick in many ways, but his speech should be protected. This is setting a bad standard. At what point do those on the right start suing left wing media for the lies they spread?
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  348.  @SmileyD7777  the problem is Fauci is all doom and negative. No positive news. He could have brought up natural immunity that was known since May 2020 and it being long term as a light at the end of the tunnel. He could have been honest on the death rate being less than 1%. Overall, many can be honest about the actual death count where the 800,000 is overstated in that almost all who died would have been dead in the same timeframe based on many objective measures. He could have weighed out the pros and cons of the lockdowns and they psychological damage it can do to others and the economic damage. He didn't. All he talked about was the virus and with no positive talk about there being an end to this. At that point many, like me, just realize this virus is here to stay. We rather live life and enjoy it as opposed to living in fear. If covid kills me at least I will be enjoying life in the process. Also, we have a vaccine. At the very beginning a vaccine was never guaranteed. Well, here it is. If you are vaccinated you are safe. Others can choose to take the risk. Time to move on in life. That is why so many are sick of Fauci. He wants this pandemic to keep going for fame and money. That is why he gives no end to this.
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  349. It is more than just paying taxes, you have to see if you are getting your money's worth. Prior to the Revolutionary War the colonies were paying less taxes than the British. However, they did not like a centralized government overseas taking their money and them not seeing the benefits. Thus the created their own. In order to see if you are getting your money's worth you have to keep government as local as possible. No one is against taxes, it is about getting your money's worth and spending taxes in the best way.
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  350. That is mainly due to culture and their small populations.
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  351. They are not reported until Monday due to less staff on weekends.
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  352. Eskil Tho, my point is that healthcare is very complex. You limited yourself to a simple "fact checking" website where I have read papers on this issue. I have looked deep into this issue and understand that overall the US is on par with other nations. Healthcare is very complex, much more complex than you are making it. I am not saying single payer is inferior, I am saying it has shortcomings and is not any better, nor worse than the US system. As I showed you I can easily argue against the life expectancy and infant mortality issue really easily.
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  353. James Guilford, the Federal Reserve controls the money supply. As for the government responding to the will of the people? That's vague. And no, the government cannot just lower the cost of medicine without some consequences. Interstate commerce is commerce across state lines. There are many things the federal government cannot regulate that influences our economy. For example, K-12 education. States control their own curriculum and how teachers get paid. Government can influence the economy, but when it does it too much is when problems happen.
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  354. Eskil Tho, if there is no doubt then why did two professors proceeded to write an entire book on the subject? 1. We have over 320 million people. Sure, we have more resources, but we also have more people and a greater diversity which creates barriers. 2. Not true at all. 3. We also lead the world in R&D in healthcare and technology. I agree cost is an issue where the federal government has created a lot of that problem. But again, our quality is high. The high price of those drugs counter the affordable cost of the advanced care we offer. 4. Not true. Profit base does not equal higher cost. If that is the case then rent would be extremely high as it is necessary to have a home to live. 5. Single payer has problems as well. I never said our system does not have problems, it does. But in single payer systems they have longer wait times where people end up in worse shape than they were when they first hurt. That is a major problem as well. You are over simplifying this issue. I look deep because this is a complex issue. You brought up a handful of points as if single payer is the ideal system with no problems. Not to be rude but you are delusional. Sure, there is a debate in the US, but that is because we push for the best system as opposed to settling. Also, the majority do not want single payer. When placed on a ballot in Colorado, a blue state that voted for Bernie in the primaries, 80% said no to single payer healthcare. It seems like people are happy with the system we have. Most people in developed nations are not in the risk of dying as a whole. That is why the numbers in healthcare are so closed. But the reality is this, the US system leads to better R&D and better outcomes in advanced and critical situations. Other countries also do many things very well such as covering the very poor. But the consequence is lower quality in advanced care leading to people dying for "elective" heart surgery. No system is ideal. If you cannot admit that single payer has many flaws than you are delusional.
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  355. Eskil Tho, I do not campaign for "billionaires and companies". I push for what I feel is the best system that will work in the US. I am not saying single payer is an inferior system, I am saying it has shortcomings. But so does the US. By our culture, and our established system we have it is best to work with the system we have, not completely replace it which will lead the the biggest economic recession ever in the history of modern times. I look at solutions and I have looked at this issue in details. That is why I can admit the US system has flaws and single payer does many things well. I just don't bash one system and praise the other. But I understand that the entire situation is complex and as a whole the US is on par with other nations when it comes to healthcare. That is why 80% of voters in a blue state voted against single payer healthcare. That is why every attempt to establish it in the US has failed with no uproar. People are fine with they system they have just like in other countries.
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  356. Eskil, not to be rude but you are over simplifying this situation. Healthcare is very complex. This is why there is a huge debate to begin with and why two professors wrote an entire book on the issue. You approaching this issue as if there is not debate and single payer has no problems. I can admit there is a debate and that every system has problems. Your issue is you can't. That is not bad as most people want to live a simple life. But the reality is that your mindset adds little to the conversation and issue. This is not an attempt to silence you as I encourage you to keep looking into this issue and keep bringing up points so that others can, in a polite way, challenge you. That is how you learn. But you have to admit two thing 1. There is a debate 2. Every system has pros and cons
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  357. James Guilford, the Constitution is the framework in which the government can work in. I am a strict constructionist so no, I feel it is not vague. Your point on government working for the "will of the people" is vague because with our large population and diversity that is a lot. That is what the founding fathers ran into when they developed this country so in the Constitution they laid out the roles and responsibilities of the federal government and gave power to the states. If you look at the design of the Constitution domestic issues were given to the states where the federal government controlled commerce between states and foreign affairs. For example, prior to 1913 the federal tax was a tax on the states, not individuals. The consequences of lowering prices is the same as any price ceiling, lower quality. That is basic economics. Your talking point of private jets and islands is simply that, a talking point and not reality. The Constitution says that the federal government can coin money which is a part of foreign trade and interstate commerce. But that does not control the money supply. The Fed does. Having the Fed be quasi government has many benefits. Without influence of government the Fed can do what is right as opposed to do what the government wants. To give an example of that in the 60s and 70s we had massive inflation. Volcker was promoted as chairman of the Fed and he said that we needed to raise interest rates in order to stop massive inflation and stabilize the economy. That initially things would be terrible, but in the long run things would be great. Politicians think short term and they will enact short term policies in order to get re-elected. The Fed won't. Volcker's policies made it rough in the beginning and it led to Carter, the same guy who promoted him, to lose to Reagan. In the long run the economy stabilized and things were great. If the Fed is controlled by government then it would be subjected to politicians who care more about being re-elected as opposed to doing what is actually right. I said that the federal government influences the economy. What you said about interstate commerce is "You do know that the US Constitution gives congress the authority to regulate interstate commerce and I am sure that you realize that interstate commerce is the substance of our natural economy, correct?" Two points there. On, interstate policy is a substance of our economy, not the natural economy. There are differences. Next, you saying "substance of our natural economy" made it sound like it was a major portion of it, or the economy in itself. I could have misunderstood you but my point is that there are other factors with much more weight than interstate commerce in our economy. The wealthy are able to over take the government when you have a government with too much power that you cannot control. That is not the fault of freedom but the fault of giving the government too much power. You want the federal government to control drug prices. What is going to stop them from being bought out by drug companies to create monopolies and increase drug prices? There is a desire to have government, but we have to keep it so that it remains the servants and not the master. You do that by limiting the powers of the federal government and giving more power to the states and local governments. At the local level you have more control of government as you can attend town halls, you can personally meet your representatives, you can see if government is working for you simply by looking out your window. You can see if your tax dollars are being spent well. And if you local government is not working for you you can either change it which is easier at the local level, or move and remain a US citizen. It is much more difficult to change the federal government. Sure, you may vote in a new Senator, but that is just one and at most two out of 100 from your one state compared to 49 other states you have no say in who they vote in as a Senator. That all leads back to government working for the will of the people and me saying it is vague. It is vague as the will of the people in one area of the country is completely different than people in another part of the country. I am not understanding your point on finite vs scarce? If you are talking about resources then yes, they are scarce and in many cases finite. It depends and it is a different discussion in itself that is long. However, the idea of a capitalist system is that people are in charge of their own resources which is mainly their income. They will then be more willing to invest it properly leading to more wealth growth and more resources to do around. When you do programs like welfare programs or price setting you end up with shortages. As in drug pricing, if you set a price ceiling then more people can afford it, but that does not increase the quantity of them leading to a shortage. Someone has to produce those drugs but if there is no profit motive why would they? That is why price ceilings do not work. As for the "invisible hand", that is the natural economy.
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  358. Al Clark, to start, your anecdotal evidence is only your experience. Your experience is not the norm nor does it represent the reality when we are talking about nations with millions of people, with varying economies, culture and so on. Next 1. 100% false. No system covers everyone. Read the paper "The Ethics and Reality of Rationing in Medicine" by Dr. Scheunemann and Dr. White. The reality is that resources are scarce everywhere and that every system rations in some way. No system covers everyone which is why you have people dying in Canada waiting for "elective" heart surgery. On paper they may be covered, but that is a very low standard to set. If you want to set that low of a standard than you have to for the US as well because by law the ER cannot turn anyone away thus everyone in the US is covered as well. 2. Not a strong argument. My one bedroom apartment is cheaper than a three bedroom apartment. Does that make my apartment better? Also, there are many factors that influence cost. The US leads the world in R&D and has much better advanced care. Along with that we have many cases of people using the ER but cannot pay so the cost gets passed onto other customers. 3. Learn what insurance companies are. They are not charities. 4. Instead you die. 5. Same as in the US. Just get insurance earlier. 6. I agree that the employer based healthcare we have is a major problem and I feel that is the number 1 problem in the US. I feel that should be corrected and a free market system should be established. The US does many things well because we have a for profit system, but due to it not being a free market system costs do go up due to no negotiation and insurance equals healthcare as opposed to being insurance. This is a major problem and I can go into greater detail if you want. But this can be solved without establishing single payer. 7. Now you are just picking fly shit out of pepper. 8. So? I have no problem filing a claim. It keeps people honest. 9. There really isn't one to begin with. 10. Really? The government is the largest bureaucratic entity that exists. 11. The WHO ranking was criticized so much that they have not created another one in almost 20 years. It compared the US to countries like Malta. I have no clue what The CommonWealth Fund's credentials are. I ask this all the time and no one can say. The reality is that those rankings are arbitrary. Anyone can do a legit statistical analysis on healthcare systems across the world and have the US be number 1 or be ranked very low. The CWF used overall life expectancy where two professors showed that if you remove car accidents and murders that the US is number 1 in life expectancy. Point being is that many factors influence overall life expectancy. In the book "Debunking Utopia" it was brought up that in other nations people live healthier life styles. They have lower obesity rates for example. Obesity can lead to shorter life spans and a higher rate of pre-term births where pre-term births leads to a higher chance of infant mortality. The CWF and WHO ignore situations like that. Their rankings, while having some value, are, for the most part, arbitrary. 12. That does not happen in other countries. It won't happen here. Single payer is government controlling healthcare. Ever heard of the "golden rule"? It is "Those who have the gold makes the rules". Government will be financing healthcare so they will be making the rules. That is the reality. If they don't then healthcare will becoming like college tuition where they will just jack up the price. College tuition was low until the federal government started to subsidize it particularly with student loans. At that point colleges just jacked up tuition. Same will happen in healthcare unless government takes control of it. As Bill Maher said, if they are going to be picking up the tab, they are also going to want to control the price. The administrative cost issue is not as simple as you make it sound. It is lower in medicare because medicare can pass the cost onto other agencies such as the CDC for disease awareness where insurance can't. Insurance also pays for fraud prevention which saves money. Also, how administrative cost is calculated in comparison between the two is not equal. Read the Forbes article "The Myth of Medicare's Low Administrative Cost" Many doctors do not take medicare. But a free market system will increase competition. Single payer will create a monopoly. The whole "pool" argument is very poor. You are increasing demand with single payer which will raise prices or lower quality. Also, you have to tackle the issue of moral hazard. Why should someone take care of themselves when they can just use government run healthcare? This is similar to the FDIC and the S&L crisis. Banks made bad decisions but did so because they knew the federal government will bail them out. Sound familiar? Why would people be responsible if the federal government is going to bail them out?
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  359. Al Clark, it isn't "ethnic diversity" but culture. Many cultures act different. There is a video that compares Nevada to Utah, two neighboring states with many differences. Different cultures influence how the overall economy, including healthcare, function. The population argument is 100% legit. Name me one country with 100+ million people, a universal healthcare system, and a strong economy.
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  360. Al Clark, you saying that single payer wins with no contest is a major problem. I covered this with Eskil, but the reality is that there is a debate and every system has pros and cons. As a whole the US system is on par with other nations. You saying there is no contest means you refuse to accept the shortcomings of single payer and refuse to learn more about the issue of healthcare. That is a problem. I will never say the US system is the best, nor will I say single payer is terrible. I admit there is a debate. You should as well. You refusing to creates a problem.
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  361. Al Clark, also, medicare and medicaid are running out of money.
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  362. Al Clark, on defense spending you have to understand that for the past 50 years defense spending has been dropping. It went from 10% of GDP to now less than 4%. Not saying we should increase it, but what Trump is doing is countering what Obama did not want to do. There are pros and cons of the two party system. As for the the talking point of us spending more than the next 10 countries combine, our GDP is comparable to those countries combine. If you combine the GDP of those countries and look at defense spending it is around 2.5% of GDP. Our defense spending is at 3.5% of GDP. Still higher, but only by 1%. You do know that we spend more on education than many of those countries combine? Should we cut on education spending as well? Also, defense spending is less than 4% of GDP, healthcare is 1/6 of GDP. Cutting defense spending would not come close to funding healthcare.
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  363. Eskil, money isn't the only resource. It is doctors, nurses, technology, etc. Simply having money does not mean having enough resources. Also, ever thought that the US is so wealthy because we do not have a single payer healthcare system? That our system has led to the US being as rich and powerful as it is?
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  364. Mark Bloemberg, it isn't that easy. Saying you have more tax payers thus you have more money is over simplifying the issue. If a good portion do not pay taxes than you have more people with less money.
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  365. Eskil, the capitalist system generates wealth. As I said earlier, the US leads the world in R&D. Our progress in healthcare is the top. The for profit system creates more wealth. Yes, we pay more, but our quality is much better in advanced care. If I want to live in a better place I have to pay more. It comes at a cost. We have a lot compared to Europeans. What do Europeans have that we lack?
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  366. Mark, police are locally ran and funded and are a drop in the bucket compared to healthcare in cost. Also, police are there to create control and order in our society. That is different than from healthcare.
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  367. Mark, police are locally ran and funded. In some areas all they have is the local sheriff. In many neighborhoods crime is low where there are no cops most of the time. Why? Because there is a shortage of cops. Cops cannot cover every area in the public. Wait lines are longer with single payer. You increase demand without increasing supply. You talk about adding more clinics but it isn't just that, it is lack of doctors, nurses, equipment, etc. This is not Field of Dreams, you can't just build it and they will come. We are short doctors and nurses. Also, there are many people who do not pay taxes. If you increase the number of people on the healthcare bill but not increase taxes then we cannot afford it. Around half of the country does not pay any federal income taxes. You have to raise everyone's taxes to compensate. I have made many good arguments, you should go back and read them.
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  368. Alden, social security is running out of money because not enough people are paying taxes while more people are taking from it.
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  369. Mark, more people pay into social security and medicare than those who take from it. Those programs are losing money.
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  370. Alden, many things cause poverty. It isn't just medical bills. Under universal healthcare you would bankrupt the country.
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  371. Alden, I have posted a lot of comments breaking down the shortcomings of universal healthcare.
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  372. Alden, I posted evidence and papers to read. Other countries can "afford" universal healthcare by lowering the quality. Also, taxes are very high increasing cost of living. Along with that, those countries are small in population and have less diversity. How many nations with 100+ people, universal healthcare and a strong economy? But besides all of that the reality is that universal healthcare has many shortcomings. You get what you pay for. Wait lines have not been debunked. I posted titles of papers where people die in Canada in waiting lines. Other nations have much higher tax rates. FDR turned a recession into a depression. He hindered economic growth. He did not break up big banks. In fact, he created the FDIC which created the problem of moral hazard which created the S&L crisis. Now is the FDIC bad? Not really as it did solve many problems at the tie. But FDR did not help the economy.
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  373. Alden, also, you never countered anything I said, you just called them talking points. How are they talking points?
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  374. Alden, ""Leaving health care 100% to the free market" you just killed your ENTIRE argument right there, the free-market? You mean the place where profit is prioritized over the well being of people" Your route is federal government control that does not care if you live or die. If you die they don't care, they never met you and the vast majority of the federal politicians you cannot even vote for. If you die they see that as saving money as they no longer have to pay for your healthcare. " Go ahead and give me ONE example where a completely free-market healthcare system has EVER worked" If you want to split hairs nothing is ever a 100% free market as there is always a desire to have government. However, the for profit system has developed more innovation and more progress and better quality compared to single payer systems. "No system is perfect but it's been factually PROVEN that single payer healthcare systems work FAR better than free-market systems" That is not true at all which is why this debate exist to begin with. You are doing a very poor job at selling your point. You are going to the extremes with your words meaning you have no desire to actually educate yourself on this topic. "The last recession (and not a typical recession, but a Great Recession) was caused, in large part, by Bush" Eh, not really. There are arguments to be made that keeping interest rates low caused the recession. After the small recession of 2001 inflation rose but interest rates did not causing a bubble in the housing market. Now Bernanke admitted that the Fed caused the depression in the 30s, but is not admitting that the Fed caused the recession of 2008.
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  375. Egyptian, you are correct. The reality is that we do not have a free market system in healthcare. We have a heavily regulated one with a lot of government intervention. To me the main problem is the payroll tax where if a company pays a higher wage they will have to pay a higher tax. To counter that they pay with healthcare insurance. Because of that healthcare insurance is now healthcare and covers everything healthcare related. Many healthcare services can be paid for out of pocket. Issues like non-life threatening MRIs, elective surgeries, planned pregnancies, etc. Insurance does not have to cover that. Pregnancies can be tricky as you may want a personal doctor, but something like an x-ray or a routine checkup people can shop around. We have seen with LASIK that costs have gone down and the quality has gone up and LASIK is not covered by insurance. Insurance should be there for unplanned, expensive situations. Car insurance does not cover oil changes or tire rotations even though they are necessary for a safe, and reliable car. But it does cover car accidents that are unplanned and expensive. Healthcare insurance should be the same thing. And if people were allowed to shop around as opposed to depending on their employers for insurance they can force companies to compete which will lower prices.
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  376. John X, in the debate against Cruz Bernie was pushed in a corner by a guy from Denmark and Bernie admitted that he will have to raise taxes on everyone. But then he claimed that his healthcare plan would save people money and mentioned something along the lines of $2000 a month. He did not say where he got his numbers from, he just made that claim. Bernie is a fraud.
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  377. John X, when Bernie talks about wealth inequality he is technically correct, but is very deceptive. You are correct on income. But the truth is that income does not equal wealth. Bernie is correct in how there are a few who own as much wealth as 50% of the nation (I forgot the numbers but it is something like that). But there are many variables missing. In the US if you have no debt and only $10 in your name you have more wealth than 25% of the nation. Why? Because many people have debt that exceeds their income. People like me. Is that bad? No as that debt is something big as in real estate, a business or in my case a college loan. Us as a nation is so strong that we allow others to go into debt to make large purchases and eventually move ahead in life. I have less wealth than a poor person in Ethiopia as that person has zero wealth where I have negative wealth. To be 100% fair Bernie is correct to a degree. Yes, it would be great if he references things, but the truth is he is being very very deceptive. Someone like Bezos earns $80,000 a year. He is so wealthy because he owns most of Amazon. He does that to keep other shareholders happy to keep the business strong. The point is that what Bernie is presenting is very deceptive and is much more complex. But we have enough ignorant people in this country that by into it.
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  378. John X, but you are correct on taxes. Bernie preaches about "fair share" but never says what that actually is.
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  379. Alden, eating fast food is more expensive than eating at home.
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  380. Egyptian, I agree with you for the most part. As for the government not doing anything right, I disagree to a point. There is a desire to have government. But it should not control healthcare to the degree it does on Canada. More competition would benefit the system in the US. I agree that competition means lower prices and better quality. I also agree that the private sector has the incentive to serve because if they don't they end up failing as a business. The government does not. They can create laws, raise the debt ceiling, and do numerous other things and still be around. Name me one company that is over 200 years old and is $20 trillion in debt? You can't. However, the US government is.
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  381. Mark, police are ran and funded locally. The more local a government program is the easier it is to control and micromanage financially. In government there is no one size fits all policy when you start talking about domestic issues like healthcare. Many places do not want universal healthcare. Many places may want it but have it ran in different ways. That is why most domestic programs like police, education, infrastructure, etc. are ran and funded locally. If you want to talk about a locally ran single payer healthcare system we can. But you cannot look at police and say "well we have police to obviously we can have universal healthcare at the federal level". It isn't that easy. 1. Police are ran locally making the finances and program different from state to state 2. Police departments are nowhere near as complex as healthcare. Last I checked cops do not need years of medical school to become cops 3. Police departments are a drop in the bucket in terms of cost compared to healthcare As for everyone paying in so we can afford for people who need it, the problem is moral hazard. There will be people who do not pay in but take a lot. That is why programs like SS, medicare and medicaid are losing money. More is being taken out then taken in. That is because you have leeches on the system. Where is the incentive to work hard when you can just take from others? Wait lines are a legit argument and not changing the subject.
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  382. Al Clark, care to give numbers on your "fair share" and reasons behind them?
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  383. Al Clark, single payer is government control healthcare. They set the price and determines who can get what type of healthcare. Government is the largest bureaucratic entity ever.
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  384. Al Clark, I like how you ignore the papers I posted on people dying in the Canadian healthcare system. On each point 1. Single payer would not cost less. Basic economics and history shows that. Why would healthcare providers charge less when the government is going to pick up the tab? Also, before you say that government will not pay a lot that means government is price setting and thus controlling healthcare. You just told me that government does not control healthcare. So considering how government does not control healthcare but will pick up the tab, what will stop providers from charging more? 2. The US system, overall, is no par with Canada in healthcare. You say it is far better than the US system means you have no desire to actually research the topic. The WHO ranking was criticized so much that they have not created another one in almost 20 years. It compared us to countries like Malta. The Bloomberg ranking arbitrarily weighed life expectancy at 50%. Several factors influence life expectancy beyond healthcare. For example, if you remove car accidents and murders the US is number 1 in life expectancy. Who in the hell is "Nationmaster"? You pull these arbitrary lists out of nowhere. The WHO has strong credentials and realized how bad rankings are and refuses to make another on. How is Bloomberg credible? And who is "Nationmaster"? A comparison study also said that in the US they pay more due to our strong R&D program. Read the paper "Comparison of Health Care Systems in the United States, Germany, and Canada" by Goran Ridic. Two quotes "Part of the gap between US and Canada health care cost may be explained by a failure to account for Canadian hospital capital cost, larger proportion of elderly in the United States and higher level of spending on research and development in the US." Also "On should mention that data from different countries may not be directly comparable for several reasons and therefor, should be accepted with some skepticism". It was professor Robert Oshfeldt of Texas A&M University that said that many factors influence the numbers people use in healthcare studies, especially life expectancy. That makes any ranking of healthcare systems, like university rankings, arbitrary. These are experts in this field that admit that comparison studies are difficult where one admits that rankings are arbitrary. But you are so quick to post and support a ranking from a website called "Nationmaster".
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  385. Al Clark, "That's pure bullshit.The single payer administration negotiates prices, and does so with the greater negotiating power of a large volume buyer. " Ok, what stops providers from raising prices? You place the government in a hard situation. If the government refuses to pay then hundreds of millions of people are without healthcare. Thus the government pays the very high price.
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  386. Al Clark, 1. What studies? I gave you a few and none of them support what you do. You pointed to Bloomberg as if they are credible and "Nationmaster" where I responded with "who?". Costs different in every state for numerous reasons. Does gas cost the same in every state? How about rent? Do jobs pay the same? The fact is that cost do fluctuate in every state. If you break you collarbone in another state and the state you are a resident in has single payer they can pick up the cost, or choose not to. You took the risk going to another state. That's life. If I get a speeding ticket in another state I have to pay their fine. The fines are different in every state. Local governments have far less bureaucrats. But again, what studies? I would love to read them. 2. SS is running out of money. Also, the poverty rate of seniors was dropping prior to SS as a trend of overall poverty. I am not proposing eliminating SS. I do support reforms. I do not support eliminating SS for a similar reason why I do not support dismantling our healthcare system for single payer. Doing so will cause a major recession. We cannot change anything in the economy that much. 3. Saying other nations is not an argument. Also, yes, people want affordable healthcare. They realize that single payer is not that. That is why 80% said no in Colorado.
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  387. Al Clark, I work in scientific research for a living and I have an NIH grant. Most publicly funded research in universities do not produce new drugs, they only carve out information that can be used in a big picture. Most new drugs are created in the private sector. As far as curing for finding symptom alleviation and not a cure for the disease, the issue is that the disease is so complex and difficult to cure to begin with. Finding a way to alleviate the symptom is much easier to people are in less pain and are able to function in life while a cure is developed. You know nothing about medical research.
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  388.  @palillo2006  this is what they wanted. Also, deaths are not going up.
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  389. Trump is offering hope. He is talking about re-opening the economy May 1 in some way. The issue is that he is doing what is correct. Not freaking out and letting states handle this. Most of the cases/deaths are in the New England area as is. With that in mind we should start considering opening up the economy in many states.
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  390. We do not have the highest rate of the virus.
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  391. Those people are always at high risk for any kind of health issue.
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  392.  Jupiter Skye  ok, and?
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  393. Is it worse? Deaths are still low. That is the key thing. Right now we are pushing for herd immunity which there is evidence of.
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  394. If CA were to succeed they will fall apart economically.
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  395. They will be too busy paying taxes and trying to work through a poor economy is Bernie was president.
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  396. Love how people are starting to realize that death is a part of life. We, as a society, are so spoiled, that we cannot even accept death anymore.
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