Comments by "nuqwestr" (@nuqwestr) on "UsefulCharts" channel.

1.9 million Arabs living as citizens of Israel. They serve on the Knesset, the Supreme Court and in the IDF. Not ethnically cleansed. What was wrong with Trans-Jordan or Egypt?
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@lmarsh5407 There was no State of Palestine. There was a region controlled by Ottoman/Turk, then a region controlled by the Allied Powers under a temporary mandate. The Ottoman/Turk ceded the land as part of a Peace Treaty. Many Arab interests competed for control of the land to create a State, including Jews. The Jews were willing to share, the Arabs were not.
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@lmarsh5407 "No Reason". It's a WAR zone, and many Arab countries will not let you in if your passport is stamped by Israel. You know that. The West Bank A,B,C zones are restricted because of the 2nd Intifada. A self-inflicted wound.
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@lmarsh5407 There are 1.9 million Arab citizens of Israel who are restricted from travelling to other Arab nations simply because of their citizenship in Israel. It's WAR, not racism.
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@lmarsh5407 1.9 million Arab citizens of Israel, 20% of the population. They serve on the Knesset, the Supreme Court and in the IDF. Jordan restricts the number of Christians in government and academia, and there are no Jews. Your "ghetto" retaliation analogy is incorrect, especially when the PLO assassinated the Jordanian PM, mounted a coup against the government of Jordan and were kicked out.
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@aum1040 Israeli Arabs are 20% of the population, saying Israel is "apartheid" is incorrect, especially when that term fits Jordan much better, as they have quotas on Christians serving in government and academia. There's also gender apartheid in Jordan.
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@lmarsh5407 Early 2000s was the era of the intifadas, It was a war zone, still is. Blame Jordan.
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@JeanBod1111 No, even Israeli citizens are restricted on the Temple Mount by Muslim authority. Jerusalem Islamic Waqf
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@ayellathashachar8219 No, the Ottoman/Turk called the region Palestine, it just wasn't a sovereign state, anymore than Jordan was, which was created in 1946.
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@lmarsh5407 The British Mandate began in 1920 at San Remo. How old is your grandfather? Palestine was never a nation/state, not even under the Ottoman, it was just a region. I was born in Los Angeles, and identify as an "Angeleno".
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@lmarsh5407 ? Israel is a secular State, not a theocratic ethno-state. Jordan (Palestine) did become a theocracy, it's even on their flag, and there are restrictions on Christians in government and academia, and no Jews. King Hussein fought for a religious Caliphate which would have included all of Syria-Palestine, Iraq and what is now Saudi Arabia. Hussein lost the Hejaz to Ibn Saud in the 1930s, then given Jordan and Iraq as consolation prizes. The Arabs were not "peaceful" and warred against each other as well as the Jews. That continues to this day, as evidenced by the ongoing civil war in Syria which has taken more Arab lives than anything Israel has done. Of course, you may believe all these conflicts are directly caused by collusion between the UK and the Zionists, I'd argue against it, and so would TE Lawrence.
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@cadds8055 not anymore. land swaps have been going on since humans started building clans. I'm living on land that was occupied by Tongva people for thousands of years.
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@UsefulCharts Read This: "Report on the State of Palestine presented to the Right Honourable Mr. Winston Churchill P.C., M.P. by the Executive Committee of the Third Arab Palestine Congress. Jerusalem, March 28, 1921." - Library of Congress PDF. Primary Source Material
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@lmarsh5407 Your grandfather had a British Mandate passport stamped Palestinian. So did Golda Meir.
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@lmarsh5407 Golda Meir identified as a Palestinian before 1948. Does that help?
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@davidmagrass6728 No, in the American Civil War the North did not first attack the South. In 1947 seven Arab states began "aggression" after the UN vote and declared war in May 1948 against the new state of Israel.
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@lmarsh5407 I'm familiar with the history of residential schools, not just in Canada, but in Australia, too. Not an uncommon system across the planet, which is going on right now with the Uyghurs in China. I'm not being "told" anything. Here, read something not from Israelis, but from the 3rd Arab/Palestine Congress of 1921. It's available online as a primary source PDF "Report on the State of Palestine presented to the Right Honourable Mr. Winston Churchill P.C., M.P. by the Executive Committee of the Third Arab Palestine Congress. Jerusalem, March 28, 1921." - Library of Congress (PDF online)
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@FingswithFrankie Gaza is "occupied" by Hamas, and has been since 14 June 2007 when they took over in a bloody military coup.
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@FingswithFrankie The "granular" details do fit my "story"? Egypt occupied Gaza during the 1948 Arab-Israeli War, following the establishment of the State of Israel. After the war, Gaza became part of the Egyptian-administered territory until 1967, when Israel occupied it during the Six-Day War. Egypt's control over Gaza lasted until the war in 1967, after which the region changed hands.
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@garyl5128 It is not "well-known" as a fact the name change was a "punishment", but a fact it was a common act in Roman regions which lost autonomy, for whatever reason.
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@baghdeda BCE "Before Common Era". etc. BCE is often used in scientific writing and by archaeologists. Some prefer BCE over BC because it's more inclusive and neutral, and doesn't suggest a eurocentric worldview.
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@nainefgaming Nope, there was already a Jewish diaspora throughout the Roman world, including Jews in Spain and North Africa. Many Hellenized Jews throughout the region, including Rome itself. There's still a Jewish neighborhood in Rome that's been there since BCE. I've been there.
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@lmarsh5407 176,000 Arabs remained in the new State of Israel, now number 1.9 million, 20% of the population. They serve on the Knesset, the Supreme Court and in the IDF. Show me the comparable in the region. Your leaders failed you.
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@lmarsh5407 What does your religion have to do with "race". Jews are not allowed to pray on the Temple Mount because it is controlled by the Jerusalem Islamic Waqf. You know that, and depend on the ignorance of the West for your Taqiyya. The LAW is part of the ongoing bloody conflict of war which was started by 7 Arab countries in 1947, including Jordan, which itself was created in 1946.
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@davidmagrass6728 Pan-Arabism failed because Nasser allied with the Soviet Union, and that failed rhetoric has continued through political organizations like the PA. Abbas even earned his PhD equivalent at Patrice Lumumba University in Moscow. Recognized Whom? Jews have been attempting to recognize its neighbor since the end of WW1, but the neighbor won't recognize them. You have it backwards. Proof? Here is "Report on the State of Palestine presented to the Right Honourable Mr. Winston Churchill P.C., M.P. by the Executive Committee of the Third Arab Palestine Congress. Jerusalem, March 28, 1921."- Library of Congress
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@zzzkoszzz And the British mandate was always Temporary, never a defined nation/state for either the Arabs or the Jews.
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@lmarsh5407 1. False, the British Mandate was sanctioned under the Allied Powers at San Remo in 1920, it was a temporary administrative region, never an organized state. 2. Modern states have their origin in the 17th Century Westphalian Agreements which lead to the the organization developed after WW1, The League of Nations. The League helped to create many modern Arab states like Jordan and Iraq. Why the double-standard? 3. Pan-Arabism wanted to subjugate both Christians and Jews under Shari Law, which was being done all through the region prior to WW1, and why so many fled Muslim held regions for the new State of Israel. Not all were Zionists, and even among Zionists, there were different types with different goals. There are currently 450,000 Yemini Jews in Israel. Imagine what their life would be like today in Yemen? Coexist? Jordan, Syria and Iraq do not "coexist" with Christians and Jews in their newly created States. Jordan was created in 1946, it is an autonomous nation/state, but a Muslim theocracy. Why the double-standard.
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@lmarsh5407 BTW, you know little of the history of the Western Hemisphere indigenous peoples. The 31st VP of The United States was indigenous, the first person of color in the Executive Branch. History is complicated. Native Americans owned land, slaves, and a Native American chief served as a General in the Confederate Army. A significant number of top War Chiefs in the Indian Wars of the mid-18th Century were of European heritage, having been captured as children by tribes. History is complicated.
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@lmarsh5407 ? Why take the Indo-European name given to the place conquered by Western Imperialism? Palestine is of Ancient Greek origin. "Pale" mean "wrestle", which has it analog in Hebrew as Israel. There is no "P" or even "P" sound in Arabic.
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@lmarsh5407 Yes, Southern Plantation owners said they didn't "hate negroes" and that they were happy being slaves until agitators from the North came. Jew and Zionist are used interchangeably in the document. There is no difference, the report is clear. No Jewish migration and only Arab/Moslem autonomy in the region. Equals Apartheid. "Palestinians are losing their birthright to Jewish migration" - (page 14). "Jews have been among the most active advocates of destruction in many lands, ..." - (Page 22) "We have seen the book 'The Jewish Peril" (Page 22) "The Jew, moreover, is clannish and unneighborly, and cannot mix with those about him" - (Page 23) "The Jew is a Jew all the world over" - (Page 24) Jew and Zionist in this report is the same. It repeats the blood libel and many other lies which are still expressed today. Perhaps you believe them? The report speaks of Arabs allying with the British in the war against the Turks. The Jews also allied in this war. There were Jewish battalions who fought and died, and actually entered the war before Arabs. King Hussein did get a Palestinian nation/state, it was called Trans-Jordan, in 1946 renamed Jordan. Jews fought to free the land from the Ottoman/Turk. The Jews were willing to share, the Arabs were not. This document from 1921 makes that clear, and that the Arabs both hated and feared "The Jew" and were unwilling to allow them full citizenship in the region. Not in 1947, but in 1920.
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@FingswithFrankie We can get into the granular details of the formation of Hamas, as the "Son of Hamas" has so eloquently done, but prior to Israel occupying Gaza it was occupied by Egypt. Why did Egypt pull out, you forgot to mention that.
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@humanbeing12848 Jews were never "expelled", there's no record of such an edict, Jerusalem had be destroyed so no one was living there at the destruction, all dispersed for that reason, WAR.
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@harrydestaffano565 Mostly fully agree, and rarely to we hear of the Pan-Arabism of Nasser post-WW2. You may be interested in this document. Those who say Jews and Christians coexisted don't like to read it. "Report on the State of Palestine presented to the Right Honourable Mr. Winston Churchill P.C., M.P. by the Executive Committee of the Third Arab Palestine Congress. Jerusalem, March 28, 1921." - Library of Congress
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Usefull Charts: Do one on the Hashemite vs House of Saud war and the lost of the Hejaz to Ibn Saud in the 1930s. Perhaps the Saudis need to give back Mecca and Medina back to Jordan.
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