Comments by "nuqwestr" (@nuqwestr) on "Sky News Australia"
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@graham7176 That's not true, the Ancient Greeks and Babylonians used place words which are similar/same to the Greek name Palestine. Hadrian only expelled the Jews from Jerusalem, the name of the city was changed to Aelia Capitolina but the Jews never left the land. The Romans took the name Syria-Palestina, they did not invent it.
Going by the archaeological evidence found so far, Jerusalem was founded about 6,000 years ago, and it may have had roughly that name from the beginning. A city "Rushalimum" is mentioned as an enemy of the pharaoh in an ancient Egyptian list dating from the 19th century BCE, about 4,700 years ago. If it is indeed Jerusalem, it is the earliest reference.
When Muslim armies conquered Jerusalem from the Byzantine Empire in 638, they called it “Iliya,” a shortened version of the ancient Roman name Aelia Capitolina . Another name that began to gain currency after the Muslim conquest was Bayt al-Maqdis, a translation of the Hebrew name of the Jerusalem Temple – Beit HaMikdash (Literally “Holy House”).
So, what's in a name?
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@graham7176 No, it's an Indo-European word, not semitic. Arabic has no "p" in the alphabet, and even when they say it now, it's with a "PH" sound. In ancient greek "Palē " is the word for "Wrestle". I get the Syria-Palestina naming, but the Romans took it from the Greek, which again, is indo-European, not semitic.
I don't really care, I'm non-religious on the matter, but love the stories, as they are a repository of human cognition.
Arab Muslims and Christians didn't much care about Jews one way or another until they started returning in the 1880s from Central and Eastern Europe. Then the German and Austrians started coming with money, the Arabs who had some political control in the region welcomed the money, but then saw too many might arrive and change the political balance. When war broke out between the West and the Ottoman Empire, the Arabs flipped on the Ottomans, who they say they liked, and went with the British, they were traitors. The Arabs got a shock when they learned a promise was made for a Jewish Homeland, they felt betrayed by the British, and said so to Churchill in a 1921 report, one that I have a copy of. The report is full of hate for the Jews and the British, and threats they would side with the Germans or Russians in the next conflict, which they did, by siding with the Nazis. I have compassion for the Arabs, but don't trust them, they lie and change sides too easily. They made poor choices, and choices have consequences. They're still crying about what happened, but have never taken any personal responsibility for their choices. T.E. Lawrence was correct.
Israel has to deal with a petualent and immature neighbor who will not grow-up. I don't have an answer to that.
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@tuff947 No, I've researched this for years, the name is ancient greek, the romans were greekophiles, they copied them like crazy, architecture and art, too. When the 2nd temple was destroyed, the Romans just changed the name, as they did in many other regions of their empire, nothing special, the greeks had referred to it as Palestina long time before romans got there. i don't believe the literal word of the bible, but cherish it as a repository of cognitive human history. there is no archeological evidence of jesus, not in the roman record. Tacitus makes a claim, but it was most likely a political myth in its time.
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@jensphiliphohmann1876 Ottomans called the region Palestine. But agree it was not a "people" but a place. The 710,000 people who were displaced/forced/fled, whatever your description, became refugees of the place, Palestine, and took the name after 1948. 130,000 Arabs stayed and became Israeli citizens, Israelis, and now number close to 2 million. The conflict is with Jihadists, Islamicist, something Churchill and T.E. :Lawrenced warned against.
Again, I have the original document from March 1921 from the 3rd Arab Congress called "STATE OF PALASTINE" [sic] It's available online to read as a PDF
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Hizb ut-Tahrir has been banned in Bangladesh, China, Pakistan, Germany, Russia, Turkey, Indonesia, and all Arab countries except Lebanon, Yemen and the UAE .In July 2017, the Indonesian government revoked Hizb ut-Tahrir's legal status, citing incompatibility with government regulations on extremism and national ideology.
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