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Comments by "nuqwestr" (@nuqwestr) on "Are Jews Indigenous to Israel? | Explained" video.
"not sure"? that's because your comment is false.
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Jews came to Brazil, especially Northern Brazil, in the 16th and 17th Century, long before the Holocaust.
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No, there is no Solomon's Temple equivalent in Ireland related to a Nigerian. False equivalency.
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@mychloebaby1 Yeah, no, the Khazar story is made up by the haters and is false, scientifically false, as DNA proves. Although, Odessa is closer to Jerusalem than Oman. LOL
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176,000 were not "displaced" and now number 1.9 million in Israel, full citizens who serve on the Knesset, the Supreme Court and in the IDF. Show me the comparable in the Palestinian state of Jordan, also once part of the temporary British Mandate called Palestine and created in 1946. "Indigenous" you mean the Egyptian born Arafat, or those other Egyptians who flooded in when British Mandate money began to flow?
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That aligns with much of Christian history, too, and works for me. There's no Turkic language or custom in the Ashkenazi, Yiddish is German/Hebrew. Jews were also brought to England as chattel property in 1066 by William the Conqueror, although they were later expelled and lost to history.
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@Michael-wq7qx The ICC warrant application did not charge anyone with jen-o-cide. I read it, but apparently very few have. The general claim of jen-o-cide was made in the ICJ, not the ICC. The ICC is a criminal court that prosecutes individuals for war crimes, genocide, crimes against humanity, and aggression. The ICJ is a civil court that settles disputes between countries.
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Just focusing on the word "Mizrahi" ignores the reality on the ground. What about the 500K Yemini Jews who have DNA that predates everyone else in the region.
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No, the Ancient Greek word Herodotus used was "Pale" which means "to wrestle". The Semitic word for wrestle is Israel. Herodotus was referring to the Hebrew people "Who Wrestle with G_d", not the Philistines. There is no "P" in Arabic, not even the sound "P". Why would an Arabic/Semitic people choose an Indo-European word hung on it by Western Imperialism?
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I was in the old Jewish Ghetto of Rome in 2006 which predates the diaspora event taking photos, was considered suspicious by guard at school, he called over the Rome police who asked "Your Papers Please", chilling. When they saw on my passport I was from California and my name was Cohen, they burst out laughing, but still made me erase the photos, but I fooled them and kept a few on my 2nd memory card.
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No, Palestinians have a state, it was created at the same time as Israel, it's called Jordan. 20% of Israeli citizens are Arab, they are full citizens. There are no Jews in Jordan, which is a Palestinian Theocracy that also discriminates against Christians. You have it backwards, just another Taqiyya projection.
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False, dozens of new nation/states were created after WW2, including JORDAN.
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@Michael-wq7qx Not the majority.
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"Largely"? Perhaps, some in Egypt believe Moses was the heretic Pharaoh Akhenaten. Yemini Jews have DNA that runs back more than 9,000 years. All interesting in context, and may help the contemporary argument, but in some sense irrelevant.
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No, conversion is acceptable and in some orthodox frameworks overseen by Beit Din, a rabbinical court.
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Yeah, no Turkic language or customs in Ashkenazi culture, Yiddish all Germanic/Hebrew in origin. If the Khazar myth were even partially true, there'd be some cultural evidence, too, not just DNA. Even so, Odessa is closer to Jerusalem than Oman. LOL.
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"Across the Water", and some think that means Moses, or the heretic Pharaoh Akhenaten. We also call immigrants during the collapse of civilization in the 12 century BCE "Sea Peoples" too. The bible is not a history book.
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LOL, the new President of Mexico is a Lithuanian Jew. LOL my cousin Claudia.
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@elenatramsti5176 Yes, this is not just a strategy by Jews in the 16th and 17th century, but Anglos in Spain, too. The 1492 proclamation expelling Jews also prohibited them from going to the New World, but they did as conversos, something I'm sure you know. An outbreak of a certain cancer among nuns in the US showed proved the diaspora DNA from the middle-east. Could be Arabic, but most likely converso Jews.
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False, there is no DNA or linguistic connection to the Ashkenazi and the Khazar. No turkic words or custom in Yiddish, all German/Hebrew.
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@TheOnlyAndreySotnikov Jordan, or Trans-Jordan, was cut out of the temporary British administrative Mandate of the conquered region called Palestine. The Ottoman/Turk ceded the land to the Allied Powers after losing WW1. Trans-Jordan was indeed in the British Palestine Mandate and part of the power struggle during the Arab-Revolts in the 1930s. Jordan was created at about the same time as Israel, 1946.The West-Bank was controlled by Jordan until it lost a war it started in 1967. Many people on the West Bank still hold Jordanian passports. Gaza was held by the Egyptians. So Gaza is not Palestine, it's Egypt. Israel's policies toward Arabs is to have them as full citizens in the secular state of Israel. Show me the comparable in the region. How are your "Palestinians" treated in Jordan, Egypt, Lebanon and Syria? Can they vote, hold office, or serve in the Army? Pan-Arabism failed, time to move on.
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@TheOnlyAndreySotnikov Jordan is a theocracy, says so on their flag, and by law they restrict the number of Christians in government and academia, and no Jews. An apartheid state.
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@TheOnlyAndreySotnikov There are special protections "FOR" Jews, not against anyone else. Arab citizens are full citizens, again, they serve on the Supreme Court, the Knesset, and in the IDF. There is discrimination whenever even two people meet in the world. Your use of that word is misleading. Jordan excludes by law the number of Christians in government and academia, it's a theocracy, a Palestinian theocracy, and not comparable to the multi-ethnic, multi-cultural secular state of Israel.
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@TheOnlyAndreySotnikov The only "land access" restrictions are The Jerusalem Waqf, the Jordanian-appointed organization responsible for controlling and managing the current Islamic edifices on the Al-Aqsa mosque compound in the Old City of Jerusalem not "Israel".
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@TheOnlyAndreySotnikov OK, end UNRWA and we can consider "The Basic Law" which is in response to UNRWA right of return.
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Nonsense, there was only a temporary expulsion from Jerusalem. Even before the 2nd Temple and later revolt, Jews were living all through the Roman Empire, including Spain. Your history is demented.
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Canaan was not Palestine. Palestine is an indo-european word with its roots in ancient greek. "Pale" which means "wrestle".
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@hossamakarkach4429 We often do, all across the United States indigenous names are used. Chicago is pre-Columbian, so is Detroit. The largest river in the northwesten hemisphere, the Mississippi, is Ojibwe, it means great, gathering of waters. Your logic failed, try again.
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@hossamakarkach4429 Perhaps we should start calling Pakistan and Bangladesh India?
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@hossamakarkach4429 "generally", how general is that? How far back, and by what calculation. Canaan was part of the greater Levant, and much of what today is called the former Ottoman/Empire region and British Mandate of Palestine. Gaza was controlled by Egypt, and for a very, very long time. Are you including the strip in Canaan? What about the area East of the Jordan? I really don't know what you are talking about.
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@hossamakarkach4429 Now you're just deflecting. I gave you an answer, regions all across the Western Hemisphere and in the Pacific Islands retain their indigenous names. I gave you examples. Again, perhaps we should start calling Pakistan and Bangladesh India. Or Jordan, I don't know what, since it had no specific indigenous name other than recently Palestine in the Ottoman Empire.
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@Alibekturkhan Who was born first, Cain or Abel?
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@Alibekturkhan These are repeated allegories, not historical fact, the meaning is in both stories, both Ishmael and Isaac and Cain and Abel, there are other stories, too, Jacob and Esau. Rome also has a two brother myth, Romulus and Remus. You are avoiding meaning, one about promises given and promises kept.
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@hossamakarkach4429 "politically distinct"? Neither Spain nor Portugal have State Religions, Pakistan and Bangladesh do. False equivalencies. Israel does not have a State Religion.
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@hossamakarkach4429 "social constructs" Yikes, Woke/Marxist language. You call military coups and civil wars in Pakistan and East Pakistan "social constructs"? Woweee! Gandhi is no longer considered a great man by many in India. His legacy is quite mixed, and if he lived, I believe he would have admitted his failure. The borders were created more as "animal behavior" constructs. Territories still in dispute, like Kashmir, and Bangladesh has major issues with Myanmar. While there are still some issues with the Basque on the Iberian Peninsula, there really is no comparison. Neither Spain nor Portugal has A-Bombs or ballistic missile programs.
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The al-Masri in Gaza. Their origin?
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New President of Mexico is my cousin, a Jew from Lithuania. LOL
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@nicknobody135 No, conversion is recognized even by the Orthodox.
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@nicknobody135 about what??
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Don't tell me what to do.
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Yeah, don't that myth flies.
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@matsholmqvist3941 Yep, not converted in a small trading region in the caucuses known as Khazar, not turkic.
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no jen-o-cide. Arabs are 20% of the population of Israel. Gaza's population has increased 4X in the 30 years. Both Arabs and Jews fought with the British in WW1 against the Ottoman Empire and won. The Jews were willing to share, the Arabs were not. Proof? Here it is: "Report on the State of Palestine presented to the Right Honourable Mr. Winston Churchill P.C., M.P. by the Executive Committee of the Third Arab Palestine Congress. Jerusalem, March 28, 1921." - Library of Congress
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"Thriving", we mean as 2nd class citizens doing the dirty work as Dhimmi and paying a tax for the privilege of staying alive? LOL
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@ZohanFall yes, lots of forced conversion. Vespasian sacked Jerusalem and use the money and slaves from doing that to build to Coliseum in Rome. There's a Jewish section of Rome that predates Christianity, it's still there, I've visited the place.
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@giannis7123 Those restrictions have nothing to do with getting your 23 and me. There's no restrictions against that. LOL
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There are many references to DNA studies on this thread. The Jews of Yemen have DNA with origins 9,000 years ago, predating your timeline by several thousand years. Another large migration happened around 1200BCE at the time of the collapse of civilization in that region, with immigrants coming from the Eastern Mediterranean, known as "Sea Peoples". All fun conjecture but only a guess.
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@afroman6172 No more like 10,000 years The genetic mutation that leads to blue eyes is believed to have occurred around 6,000 to 10,000 years ago. Researchers have identified a specific mutation in the OCA2 gene, which affects melanin production in the iris. I have photos of the Jews in Yemen from 1949/50 and so can you. What's your point. The DNA is there. We're talking past each other. My belief is the fictional character of Mohammed was written by diaspora Jews in the 6th Century as the Byzantine and Persians were killing each other off around Jerusalem. Even the Qur'an description is more like the gardens of the Negev than the deserts of Arabian Oman. By the time of Jesus, any Jew could have easily had Blue Eyes and Blonde Hair, the place had been a crossroad of civilization by that time for 2 millennium.
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Both Netanyahu and his mother were born in what is now Israel. Bibi's father from Poland, but not him, nor his mother.
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Hum, I'm in California, my grandfather was born in Brookline, MA. Cousin?
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"Europe" as in ITALY and eastern Mediterranean, not the Caucuses. No history of Turkic culture or language in the Ashkenazi.
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@FactStorm What you call "Palestinians" have no "rights"? Tell that to UNRWA established in 1949 a year after the nation/state of Israel. Jordan was given nation/state status in 1946. What does their DNA tell you, and in connection to what your call "Palestinians"?
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The region was controlled for 100s of years by non-Arab Muslims, a Turkic peoples who spoke an Altaic language which includes Mongolic, and Tungusic language families, along with Korean and Japanese. In WW1 those Turkic people lost a war and ceded the land in a Peace Treaty to the Allied Powers. Both Arabs and Jews fought and died in that war for a promise of autonomy in that region. The Jews were willing to share, the Arabs were not: Report on the State of Palestine presented to the Right Honourable Mr. Winston Churchill P.C., M.P. by the Executive Committee of the Third Arab Palestine Congress. Jerusalem, March 28, 1921.
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Khazaria is a myth disproven by both DNA and Linguistics. Ashkenazi show no Turkic in language or custom, it is German/Hebrew. Stop with the taqiyya. FYI, Odessa is closer to Jerusalem that Oman.
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Yemenite Jews have some of the highest concentrations of Natufian in the region. There are now 450,000 Yemenite Jews in Israel. Imagine their lives in Yemen right now? LOL
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Majority of Israelis do not have European ancestry. Also, there are 1.9 million Arab citizens of Israel, 20% of the population and growing.
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@Michael-wq7qx Agreed, it's an argument against the "settler colonialism" claim, or that Ashkenazi are fake Jews from the Caucuses. I'm in the Southwest of America, the vast majority of Mexicans have DNA from North Africa/Spain/Arabia. The physical resemblance is not a coincidence. These arguments of DNA are irrelevant to me. During WW1 Jews fought with the British to free the region from the Ottoman/Turk for a promise of future autonomy. The Ottoman lost and ceded the region to the Allied Powers in a peace treaty. The Jews were willing to share, some Arabs were not, and still don't. Even if the region only had 8-12% indigenous Jews in 1900, that's not nothing, and it's fun to look at a map and see Odessa is closer to Jerusalem than Oman. My cousins walked to Tel-Aviv from Odessa, not something I'd recommend doing from Oman.
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Have you been to Edinburgh or Dublin?
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