Comments by "nuqwestr" (@nuqwestr) on "travelingisrael.com"
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@strigoiu13 "area"? I was specifically speaking of East Jerusalem, which was majority Jewish at the end of the Ottoman Empire, "Area", perhaps 8-12% under Ottoman rule. Guess why?
By the late 19th century, the Ottoman Empire had an estimated Jewish population of 300,000–450,000. However, by 2002, demographer Sergio DellaPergola estimated that the Jewish population of Turkey, was between 15,500–21,000. "Ethnic Cleansing"?
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@bandanakabana4494 Really, you might want to check out how the British created Jordan.Too bad they backed Hussein instead of Ibn Saud, Saud ended up with the oil and the Americans.
"Settler Colonialism" is a trope out of the Marxist playbook taught by the Soviets to liberation nationalists post-WW2. Lots of nasty stuff came out of that, including Libya and genocide all over Africa and Asia. Abbas, the PA leader, even got his PhD equivalent in Moscow. The stale Soviet dialectic has to end, too. It's failed everywhere it has been evoked, including Egypt.
I'm dealing with a brand of "settler colonialism" myself here in California. In the town my parents were born in the early 1920s, over 100 years ago, they rarely speak English anymore. Some say it's a "return" to a homeland called Aztlan.
The majority population in Israel is not European, but just so you know, Odessa is closer to Jerusalem than Oman.
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@bandanakabana4494 Soviet-era propaganda often portrayed settler colonialism, particularly in the context of Western powers, as a tool of imperialism and exploitation. The Soviet Union used various mediums, including posters, literature, and films, to condemn colonialism and depict it as a form of oppression and injustice.
Here are some common themes and messages found in Soviet-era propaganda regarding settler colonialism:
1. **Exploitation of Indigenous Peoples**: Soviet propaganda frequently highlighted the exploitation and suffering of indigenous peoples under settler colonial rule. Images and narratives depicted indigenous populations being displaced from their lands, forced into labor, and subjected to cultural assimilation.
2. **Imperialist Aggression**: Settler colonialism was portrayed as a manifestation of imperialist aggression by Western powers. The Soviet Union emphasized the expansionist motives behind colonial endeavors, framing them as part of a broader strategy to dominate and exploit territories and peoples.
3. **Resistance and Liberation**: Soviet propaganda often celebrated the resistance efforts of indigenous peoples against settler colonialism. It portrayed them as heroic figures fighting against oppression and colonial rule. The Soviet Union supported various anti-colonial movements around the world and depicted them as allies in the struggle against imperialism.
4. **Solidarity with Colonized Peoples**: Soviet propaganda aimed to foster solidarity with colonized peoples by highlighting shared struggles against imperialism. The Soviet Union positioned itself as a champion of decolonization and supported independence movements in Africa, Asia, and Latin America.
5. **Critique of Capitalism**: Settler colonialism was frequently depicted as a product of capitalist exploitation and inequality. Soviet propaganda emphasized the role of capitalist interests in driving colonial expansion and portrayed socialism as a progressive alternative that prioritized social justice and equality.
Overall, Soviet-era propaganda on settler colonialism sought to delegitimize colonial practices, condemn Western imperialism, and promote the idea of national liberation and self-determination for colonized peoples.
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7 Arab countries: Egypt, Jordan, Syria, Iraq, Lebanon, Saudi Arabia, and Yemen
Benny Morris writes not all were "into it" and at different times had few significant troops. Iraqis were already in the fight in 1947, some at Deir Yassin in April 1947.
What you describe is one story, there are perhaps 3 main narratives. Some say Arab leaders ran away to Beirut while calling on others to fight, some say Arab radio told them to leave, temporarily, until we win. It's a mixed bag, and as Oren has told us, 160,000 remained and now number 1.9 million. 21% of Israeli population are Arab. None comparable in the 22 Arab league states.
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Both the Jordanian and Palestinian flag are symbols of the Arab Revolt against the Ottoman Turk, Pan-Arabism, the BLACK, WHITE, GREEN represent the three Caliphates and the RED chevron the unity of the three. The Jordanian flag has a 7-Pointed Star on the red hoist chevron, it stands for the seven verses of al-fatiha in the Qur'an.
During the Ottoman Empire’s rule, the region flew a plain red flag with a five-pointed white star and a crescent moon. The Ottomans ruled the region until the First World War when the Arab Revolt overthrew them in 1916. The young Arabs designed a flag that represented their aspirations in a Turkish-dominated empire. The Arab Revolt used a black-green-white horizontal tricolor flag, which had a red triangle at the hoist to symbolize the Arab revolution and their conquest of the Ottoman Turks between the years 1916 to 1918. The Arab Revolts raised their flag for the first time in Jerusalem in 1916.
I doubt any of my young students in American wrapping themselves in these flags know the history, the "short" history, or that a Jewish Legion was also in the fight against the Ottoman Turk. The Jewish Legion saw action during the Sinai and Palestine campaign, where they fought at the Battle of Megiddo before being reduced to one battalion, nicknamed the "First Judaeans".
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@freedombug11 The "Document" is available online in its original form, written by the 3rd Arab Congress to Winston Churchill. It is filled with lies, ones that continued to be told. Jews "took" nothing, that's the BIG LIE, the one which continues to force suffering and death on innocent humans who believe it. No Israeli with the power to do so is calling for the "extermination" of an entire people. OTOH, Iran, with a nuclear bomb, while have the leadership and power to do just that. FREE IRAN
The first major Nazi camp to be liberated was Majdanek, located in Lublin, Poland. It was liberated in the summer of 1944, not 1945. Mate was perhaps 5 months old, do you remember being 5 months old?
:face-red-heart-shape:
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@idonuttylikezenorship4547 "Jews Finance the British Civil War Red Revolution- 1639 - 1653"
RED"? not used, and the "Great Rebellion" covered not one war but several, and include the Welch, the Scots, and the Irish.
Jews had been expelled from England in the late thirteenth century, but during the English Civil Wars, there were efforts to allow their return.
Oliver Cromwell presented a petition advocating for the readmission of Jews. Puritans like Cromwell supported Jews and the Jewish bible, that's why so many early American colonists had names like Abraham and Isaac.
Despite their small numbers, Jews participated in the English Civil Wars. Approximately 8,000 to 10,000 Jews, mostly recent immigrants, donned uniforms, and some even rose through the ranks to become officers.
Your "facts" don't align with well documented history.
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What we are still fighting: Soviet Era Propaganda
Soviet-era propaganda often portrayed settler colonialism, particularly in the context of Western powers, as a tool of imperialism and exploitation. The Soviet Union used various mediums, including posters, literature, and films, to condemn colonialism and depict it as a form of oppression and injustice.
Here are some common themes and messages found in Soviet-era propaganda regarding settler colonialism:
1. **Exploitation of Indigenous Peoples**: Soviet propaganda frequently highlighted the exploitation and suffering of indigenous peoples under settler colonial rule. Images and narratives depicted indigenous populations being displaced from their lands, forced into labor, and subjected to cultural assimilation.
2. **Imperialist Aggression**: Settler colonialism was portrayed as a manifestation of imperialist aggression by Western powers. The Soviet Union emphasized the expansionist motives behind colonial endeavors, framing them as part of a broader strategy to dominate and exploit territories and peoples.
3. **Resistance and Liberation**: Soviet propaganda often celebrated the resistance efforts of indigenous peoples against settler colonialism. It portrayed them as heroic figures fighting against oppression and colonial rule. The Soviet Union supported various anti-colonial movements around the world and depicted them as allies in the struggle against imperialism.
4. **Solidarity with Colonized Peoples**: Soviet propaganda aimed to foster solidarity with colonized peoples by highlighting shared struggles against imperialism. The Soviet Union positioned itself as a champion of decolonization and supported independence movements in Africa, Asia, and Latin America.
5. **Critique of Capitalism**: Settler colonialism was frequently depicted as a product of capitalist exploitation and inequality. Soviet propaganda emphasized the role of capitalist interests in driving colonial expansion and portrayed socialism as a progressive alternative that prioritized social justice and equality.
Overall, Soviet-era propaganda on settler colonialism sought to delegitimize colonial practices, condemn Western imperialism, and promote the idea of national liberation and self-determination for colonized peoples.
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The Churchill White Paper of 1922 was a significant document in the history of British policy towards Palestine and its Jewish inhabitants. Issued by Winston Churchill, who was then the Colonial Secretary, it aimed to address the tensions arising from conflicting promises made to both the Jewish and Arab communities during World War I.
The White Paper affirmed Britain's commitment to the Balfour Declaration of 1917, which expressed support for the establishment of a "national home" for the Jewish people in Palestine, while also recognizing the rights of non-Jewish communities in the region. However, it also sought to reconcile this commitment with the concerns of the Arab population.
Key points of the Churchill White Paper included:
1. **Partition**: Churchill proposed a partition of Palestine into separate Jewish and Arab areas. This was one of the earliest instances of such a proposal, though it did not come to fruition at the time.
2. **Limitation of Jewish Immigration**: The White Paper introduced restrictions on Jewish immigration to Palestine, stating that it should not exceed the economic absorptive capacity of the country. This was a response to Arab concerns about Jewish immigration overwhelming the indigenous population.
3. **Land Sales**: It recommended the control of land sales in Palestine to prevent the dispossession of Arab peasants.
4. **Protection of Rights**: Churchill emphasized the need to protect the rights of all communities in Palestine, regardless of religion or ethnicity.
The Churchill White Paper was criticized by both Jewish and Arab communities. Zionist leaders objected to the restrictions on Jewish immigration and land acquisition, which they saw as betrayals of the Balfour Declaration. Arab leaders, on the other hand, felt that the paper did not go far enough in addressing their grievances and aspirations for self-determination.
Overall, the Churchill White Paper was an attempt to navigate the complexities of the situation in Palestine at the time, but it ultimately failed to satisfy either side and did not lead to a lasting resolution of the conflict.
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@idonuttylikezenorship4547 Documented Patton quote very different; ""In my opinion, the American Army as it now exists could beat the Russians with the greatest of ease, because, while the Russians have good infantry, they are lacking in artillery, air, tanks, and in the knowledge of the use of the combined arms, whereas we excel in all three of these. If it should be necessary to fight the Russians, the sooner we do it the better. The unprepared fight would be a slaughter, and we should lose more men in the first six months than we lost in all our other wars.
I wonder whether I have fought on the wrong side." - 1945 George Patton.
He made this statement during a conversation with General Walter Bedell Smith, Eisenhower's chief of staff, in May 1945. Patton expressed his concerns about the Soviets and their expansionist goals, particularly in Eastern Europe.
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@RoninDave Yemenite Mahras are the purest Yemenis with the least foreign admixture besides a few individuals having SE Asian ancestry.They also have the most Natufian DNA. The deserts of Arabia did not come into being until 6,000 years ago. The Natufian lived in rather lush surroundings, every different from what's there now.
About 14,400 years ago in the Black Desert of northeastern Jordan, someone was tinkering with the recipe for the perfect pita. This auspicious moment in culinary history has been captured by researchers who sampled the contents of two stone fireplaces at the site of Shubayqa 1. The team, led by University of Copenhagen archaeobotanist Amaia Arranz-Otaegui, found that the people living at this small campsite, hunter-gatherers who belonged to a culture known as the Natufians, were making unleavened bread-like products at least 4,000 years before the dawn of agriculture.
Canaanites were a mixture of Zagros/Caucasian migrants and ancient Levantine farmers. Quasi-Canaanite ancestry is a major genetic source for Jews and Palestinians alike, though Palestinians have had less European admixture over time.
I'm not one to point to the bible for justification of a nation/state for one and not the other, nor DNA. The current framework for civilization is the Westphalian agreements from the 17th Century and the concept of nation/state sovereignty. That framework is under attack by some Arabs and some Western Europeans, but for different reasons. Live in peace, share the land, let each have sovereignty.
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