Comments by "Holger P." (@holger_p) on "Brit in Germany"
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Germans always complain towards "I could imagine a better way of doing things", it's towards a fiction, and this can drive people to improve things.
But this does not mean, you can improve things by moving, by "it's better in another country". Such a place is still hard to find, Switzerland or Norway is often named as competitors in quality of living. But in worldwide measure, Germany is still quiet on top of the list, gains by moving are rather small, more on the individual/special interest level.
But some people forget, complaining doesn't mean "it's bad", it means "I can imagine better". Even in the best country in the world, Germans would find things to complain.
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@davidsellars3924 I think a lower quality, esp. of vegetables would fall back on the entire shop. It would ruin the image, the reputation. It should never end with "this shop is selling rubbish". When Aldi started this used to be a little different. Cheap tiles, no shelfs, selling from the carton placed on the floor, and customer saying "I accept this, for the sake of a low price". This has dramaticly changed since kind of everybody is a discounter, REWE is not more expensive than Aldi, it just has more, and more expensive options, additionally. So the setup of "nice shops", with shelfs, and wood, and clean floor and lightning and smell has kind of influenced Aldi and Lidl to raise their standards. And all this beauty and cleanliness of the shop, has to correspond to the vegetables of course. Bad items are sorted out hourly.
You need to attract people with those things also, cause this is cheaper in the long run, than lowering the price of cucumber.
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But that's normal German history. Sometimes with move. The question is, did your ethnic group ever change, you staid, czech or slowenian, or german, or hungarian all your life I guess.
In Germany about 30% of entire population got relocated in 1945, if you remember.
My grandma is born in austrian hungary (50km south of Dresden), this was czech republic from 1919, annexed by the Nazis 1937, relocated 1945 (10km north actually), DDR from 1949 and change of state in 1989 again. Normal german biografie, with a 10km move.
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What happens, und what is perceived are completly different, und the perception is more "they are doing nothing".
Even worse, only bad news are in the news.
Everything good is taken as granted.
Local politicians often use the trick, when it's positive, they have done it, and when it's negative, "they are just following EU regulations". That's why EU is perceived as 100% bad (to people, who don't see this trick).
When I have no clue, I'm just the representative example, also most others have no clue ;-)
But I talked about perception, not reality.
Like "green deal" and EU ? People who don't like it put all their hate to the native green party, they don't see it's coming from EU.
It's some kind of blaming or brainwashing.
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@reconquista4011 The property restoration effects only a small group of people, also in 1930, 98% of people were just workers or farmers, not "capitalist" who lost something by the communists.
This does not explain anything essential.
It's more this "Getting used to the new system", that has NOT really happened.
Or it's only a getting used to, without having an education , or seeing a manual on it. People were forced into it - although they wanted it - but without knowing the consequences.
People who see a "divide" most often just present a significant difference in some numbers. Something is 15% in one part and 25% in the other part. Yes those differences exists, but because of you search for it. If you search for "what is equal", like number of cars per household or so, people would just find it boring numbers.
But since differences are a good topic to talk about, they are emphasized by people or the media etc.
Search for a "divide" between north and south, you would find the same result.
Nobody is searching for it, that's why people don't talk about it.
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In Germany almost the same negative claims are made, and since most of them are exaggerations, I don't take them for serious. But in UK it seems to be serious, if there are UN studies around it. I still think, education is most influenced by your motivation, discipline, engagement, maybe talent. (Unless lessons are really canceled due to sick teachers or whatever). Educated parents most often support with more motivation to learning, but this is not "stupid" parents don't have the chance, they just don't do it, cause they are stupid. In some cases wealth might help with auxiliary teachers or buying a book. A private school is kind of the easier way for personal care for each student, others have to apply self-care, or what I called it: engagement and discipline.
It is hard to impossible, to measure chances by results. The difference is, to use the given chance. .. like sitting down do your homework.
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@embreis2257 Housing is always as expensive, as people are willing to pay.
Somebody must own or rent the houses and appartments.
So as long as you pay and complain, nothing will change.
So if you ask a higher price, and somebody pays, the price is OK. Market rules.
Besides, Germans build for lifetime, so they want more fancy individual things in there houses, it's always now or never.
If you intend to live there for 5 years only, you pay less attention to quality.
The effect, investors invest in houses just to own it, without anybody living in it, can be found in some capitals. In London it's extreme. Value of the house is raising just because it exists. No need to rent out.
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@britingermany It's just an impression, but If at all, I hear them from older rural people.
Younger people don't know the idioms, don't want to learn them, and excuse it with "old fashioned".
As well as speaking dialect is considered of beeing from a remote spot, like a hillbilly.
If you want to be young and modern, people rather use english expressions.
It's not nice behaviour, but if one German doesn't understand an other, he consideres the other one as stupid. Not himself.
So my impression is, it's reducing.
Language learners should have a rough idea, but not activly use it.
As well as they shouldn't learn Saxonian dialect, unless just for fun.
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@TheEulerID I was more talking about the reverse. Millionaires shop at Aldi, and something like "premium food" does not exists in shops. For something like a lobster you go to a fancy restaurant.
And even normal supermarkets offer things in the price range of Aldi, not to loose customers to them.
Something like bakeries, also butchers is still a subject to craft shops. Real bakeries, like 100 years ago.
Saving money is so much in genes of germans, it generates lowest food prices in europe. Actually it's the reason why Lidl and Aldi had this inspiration to fight for each cent on each product.'
And their first strategy was, to produce everything themselves, and sell it non-branded. And the sold from the forklifter, without putting products in a shelf, for a long time.
Germans are just smart enough to understand, any service will result in higher prices, that's why there is no demand for service. They don't want to pay for it.
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@britingermany The so called "split" in society, one part thinks we are in a crisis, others think we are in prosperity, is something rather new.
We rather have 2 , 3, 4 public opinions, instead of 1. But people don't realize or don't admit. They tend to consider themselve as normal, as the default no matter if they make up 20% or 30% of society. This is were "perception" diverges from democracy. Majorities become a feeling, not a counting of votes.
The number of statements, where 90% would agree on, is shrinking. This is how I would define public opinion.
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Good description, but that's not much different from women, who have to proof harder, they are able to drive a truck or to lead a company. So an asian male has to deliver more proof. But it's enough to tell, you have been to a concert, and you like chairs better than sitting on the ground, or thinks like that, to break the ice.
People see pictures of slums in Mumbai, and programmers in Bangalore, and they conclude, the programmers from the clean offices, go home at night into those slums. 10 squaremeter for 4 persons, sleeping on the floor. Toilet in the bush.
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@Fuerwahrhalunke The discussed term was "considering disrepectful". This is going too far for me.
Maybe I would consider it lazy.
The thing is, as better you get along without speaking german, as less motivation, as less need you feel to do it.
Rememebering the turkish immigrants in the 70ies, huge communities often make it unnecessary to learn german, especially the wifes never got contact with germans (they regred today), but disrespectful is the wrong term for this behaviour.
I lived in Quebec for some time, first language french, but since I could communicate in English, I never learned french. And I don't feel myself as not showing respect to the country. This idea is not coming up inside me.
But somebody pretending to not speak english, to make me feel bad, like you propose, that's really strange.
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Mastering anything without speaking it, is kinda impossible. If you don't use your skills for 20 years, they get lost. And yes, learning cultural things maybe considered part of language class, but it's a few songs or poems, special festivals, maybe geography and economy, but not "ticks".
And with English it's extra complicated anyway, with having UK, US, Australian version etc.
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