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@ADHDSUZUKI That could easily become counterproductive, harsher sentences can actually result in escalating crimes.
Take the following hypothetical, let's says theft is a 1 year sentence, assault is 10 years and murder is life.
Murders are rare, assaults are thankfully uncommon but theft is still too high. So you raise the sentence for theft to 10 years, same as assault. Should stop the thefts, right?
Except now, a lot of thieves reason that theft is easier if you rough up your victim first, and since the sentence is the same either way, they might as well. Right?
So now you make assault a life sentence. That'll do it! Except no... now you've almost guaranteed that every assault ends in murder since its the same sentence, but one doesn't leave a witness...
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@Yourordinaryuser_ Funny you mention Trump's tax cuts. There's a great read on the Center For American Progress, "Tax Cuts Are Primarily Responsible For The Increasing Debt Ratio".
I'm not gonna regurgitate the whole piece to you, that'd be pointless and I really recommend giving it a read, but the salient point is "If not for the Bush tax cuts and their extensions—as well as the Trump tax cuts—revenues would be on track to keep pace with spending indefinitely, and the debt ratio would be declining. Instead, these tax cuts have added $10 trillion to the debt since their enactment and are responsible for 57 percent of the increase in the debt ratio since 2001, and more than 90 percent of the increase in the debt ratio if the one-time costs of bills responding to COVID-19 and the Great Recession are excluded. Eventually, the tax cuts are projected to grow to more than 100 percent of the increase." Great tax cuts, eh?
As for the rest of your argument, an increase is an increase at a time when you're cutting taxes. It's a short-sighted decision based on greed.
And if you don't know what's wrong with income inequality, you haven't been paying attention. The more it grows, the more it creates unsustainable imbalance within a society before beginning to implode. We're seeing that happen now.
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@songsmith31a You use a lot of words to say nothing of substance.
It doesn't matter that the police draw on the public to fill their ranks. Most members of the public aren't violent or hateful. The issue is with the screening of recruits, of how reports of misconduct and outright law breaking are handled.
Nothing that you've said addresses that very simple fact.
No, you seem to be attributing failings to "knee-bending"... just say "woke ideology", I know that's what you mean.
So you seem less concerned with matters like Cressida Dick's complete botching of the investigation into Jean Charles de Menezes, which put numerous lives at needless risk and ended with an innocent man dead. Or the rape and murder of Sarah Everard by an officer who was known to his friends as "the rapist". Their negligence in the case of Stephen Lawrence, because he was black, or failing to take Stephen Porter's case seriously, resulting in murders of young gay men, because they were homophobic.
So don't give me this "agendas" nonsense because the police agenda has been clear for a long, long time. Maybe include that in your history lesson, might give it some value.
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@songsmith31a No, they're not one and the same.
For a start, you never mentioned "the selection process", you just said "The society that has been created supplies the members of the police service". Meaning that if we have a violent, hateful society then we get violent, hateful police officers.
My point is that since not all of society is violent and hateful, by a considerable margin, then your explanation for why we have bad police officers doesn't hold any water.
What it in fact points to is failings in the screening of new recruits, which is not the same as simply who applies.
Yes, the cases I cite are historically recent, within the last two decades. Which is why I said earlier that I'm "not sure how you can look at events of the last couple decades, at the findings of reports into police conduct, and be surprised that people tend towards not trusting police".
Are you keeping up so far, Mark? Because you seem to think we're having a different conversation. Unfortunately for you, there is a record of it that we can consult.
Officers murdered in those years are irrelevant when it comes to judging how police corruption has eroded public trust. It's not like you can cash in a murdered cop for a corrupt one. For the same reason, it doesn't matter that there is daily unreported good work done by police officers, that's their JOB. It's the bare minimum. You don't get a medal for NOT being a rapist and murderer.
Are you starting to get this now? Do you even understand what this conversation is actually about?
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@amadfook3r Trains don't wait for people, YOU have to check the times and get there. Are trains late? Yes, it happens. As with literally anything else in life.
If everyone just quit their job and found a new one in order to attain a higher wage, well, that wouldn't work. Because for one, we NEED people working at all levels of our society for it to function and, for another, it's scarcity that makes those jobs pay so much. If everyone took those roles, which they can't anyway, the pay wouldn't be the same. That's why it's important to make sure even "bottom of the rung" jobs pay a living wage. This is basic stuff, man.
And no, this is not terrorism. What a stupid thing to say.
Basically, the only conclusion we can come to is that you're a petty thief. Which is fine, just don't try moralising to others.
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@upshankkumalu9301 Yeah, immature. Further proved by your weak attempts at personal attacks and assumptions on my political leanings.
How many people voted for Labour back in 2010, when they lost, compared to how many people voted for Tories in 2019, when they won, has nothing to do with where we are today. Post-covid, with the war in Ukraine, with a rapidly escalating climate emergency.
In 2019, the Tories relied on misinformation, smear campaigns and foreign interference. And since then, they've not actually done anything significant and positive that they can point to as an achievement.
You might think you have a good point but it's not, it's meaningless.
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