Comments by "Django" (@django3422) on "Battle lines drawn as UK government plans to block Scottish gender bill" video.

@graemecreegan6749 So they're either a child who can't diagnose a medical condition or they're an adult who is mature enough that they can be entrusted with other people's lives? 16 really is a magical age of wonder...
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@gazsm1 What I said was "they can make the choice" at 16, which is true. Did you know a trans person can't get any surgery done till they're 18? Another parallel. So why is it that we think a 16yo can make the choice of the army for themselves but isn't smart enough to know themselves?
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@graemecreegan6749 Same age they can choose to go join the army, chap.
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@soundseeker63 Child at 16? We'll let them join the army though.
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@gazsm1 All you're basing this on is the idea that a 16yo isn't mature or responsible enough to know who they are. So they're old enough that they can make the choice to sign up for the army and get blown to bits for their country, but not know who they are... gotcha. Just wanted to be sure that we were consistent and reasonable with what we feel 16yos are old enough to do.
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@gazsm1 Never mentioned the front line, nor am I referencing any other piece of legislature sooo.... something about a gotcha? The point is the degree of responsibility you think a 16yo can have in the choices they make.
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@VaporRize08 Please elaborate on these really bad consequences.
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@Suscida That's a really weak argument. Starting with "there's plenty of literature" and then not naming a single one is pretty poor. But the way you characterise a person's self-identification as "normalising body dysmorphia" is completely backwards. By giving an individual the right to self-identify, you address the body dysmorphia at the route. Whereas the alternatives... therapy, medication... yeah, that's life-long, expensive in the case of therapy and rife with side-effects in the case of medication.
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@winstoningram99 "Some people don't recognise trans" "Nobody discriminates against it" "Some people don't recognise trans"...
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@elyrexo Doesn't really hold up to scrutiny though, does it? Because our equality laws and protections for vulnerable people suck, we can't allow other vulnerable people to be treated with respect. That's the stance.
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@plurabelle5 Explain.
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@gazsm1 Yes, I did. But I also said "they can make the choice at 16" first. A trans person can make the choice at 16 to self-identify, in preparation for undergoing surgery at 18. Anyone can make the choice at 16 to join the army, in preparation for getting blown to pieces at 18. This isn't hard to understand. Yes, there are checks. Yes, there is a need for parental consent. Doesn't stop the army turning up at school when you're still 15 or younger and promoting the idea of joining. Almost like grooming, an accusation often thrown at trans people, especially when you consider how it's supported by pro-military propaganda in the form of films and video games. It's normalised. I'm personally in favour of checks and balances for young trans people in order to ensure they are making the best choice for themselves. But it's hard to do that when so many people's perspective on trans people is borne of ignorance and hatred. Hence why many trans people support legislation like this.
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It's the same age we let, even encourage, youths to join the army. So they're mature enough to make that decision but not to decide, for themselves, who they are?
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@stephenwalker2924 C'mon man, you know they mean dis-assembling.
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@markymark7803 What science would that be, chap? Because there are more than a few scientific studies on the matter of gender, biology and the like. The bits that I've seen and understand actually indicate that it's not nearly as simple as you put it. Have you also seen this studies?
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@markymark7803 For one thing, gender is a social construct. Have you REALLY read up on this? But sure, let's accept your second bit about anything other than XX and XY is an error and leads to health issues. If that's the case, why oppose people transitioning if that reduces the problems they face?
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@richardgallagher4880 You're really not addressing the issue I put forward with my comment.
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@plurabelle5 Can you provide evidence of those hundreds of times?
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@soundseeker63 It's not a false comparison, it's simply identifying what we consider a 16yo mature enough to decide for themselves. If "some" 16yos aren't mature enough for that then the implication is that some are. Why, then, is that not the case for simply self-identifying (which is not the same as getting irreversible surgery). And as for joining the army being a career choice you can back out of, tell that to the parents of those who never came back. It's absolutely ridiculous to tell a 16yo that they can set themselves on a path that will lead to them potentially killing or being killed, but they can't set themselves on a path towards changes that'd potentially avert their suicide, thus saving their life.
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@soundseeker63 You haven't even established that transitioning is irresponsible or wrong. Instead you're ducking with a weak "you wouldn't understand how complex this is" cop-out. Where are so many anti-trans folks so cowardly?
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@soundseeker63 No, we're not gonna agree to disagree. That's what you say over something inconsequential like favourite cereal brand. We're talking about someone's right to exist and to express their existence without violating that right for anyone else. We can't move forward with a conflict of opinion. One side thinks the person has the right to exist and express themselves and the other side doesn't. They can't co-exist. Meanwhile, your entire argument, as much as you've made one, appears to hinge on the idea that 16yos aren't mature enough to make this decision for themselves. Despite how inconsistent that actually is with how our society treats 16yos. And you've really not addressed that beyond insisting "those aren't suitable comparisons". Not even realising that no, they aren't like-for-like. That's not the point. It's that we trust them to decide to kill or be killed but not to say he instead of she. Make that make sense. Or is it "too complex"? "The frequencies are too different" or some other asinine attempt to appear intelligent without displaying any? Ooo, or are you gonna try and pretend like you've gotten me all figured out again, like you did before when you were waaay off? Anything to avoid confronting your own prejudices, huh?
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@Skott-c2w They don't give a toss OR they don't want it. Which one is it? Can't be both.
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