Comments by "Chef Chaudard" (@chefchaudard3580) on "A Different Bias"
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@AareffSystems Being a member of the EU means that a country is part of the single market AND custom union. And the RoI IS a full member of the EU.
Tariffs would apply if the RoI was leaving the custom union to join one with the UK. All imported goods from abroad would face tariffs when reexported into EU custom union. Ireland would have to apply tariffs to imported goods from the EU. I don't think Irish people would agree to pay tariffs on already expensive imported cars, or be less competitive when they export to the EU. Furthermore, there is currently a trade agreement signed between the EU and the UK that secures trade. RoI can export to the EU tariff free, and to set tariffs to the UK, thanks to the EU/UK trade deal.
And, so far, UK has not proposed any deal about that. Who would decide about the tariffs to be applied to the goods? Would RoI have its say like in the EU? Which trade deals would secure Irish position in the medium and long term? Will RoI be part of trade deal negociations with foreign partners? Veto if tariffs are deemed too low and can potentially hit Irish producers? What about EU regulations? Could ireland, as a EU member, refuse to import goods from the UK if they don't comply? Meaning it will be necessary to keep border controls? What about currency? What if UK devaluates unilaterally the pound in a trade war, and the RoI exports are no more competitive?
In short: nor the UK or the RoI ever wanted such a deal. It would solve nothing, as border controls between UK and RoI, which, as I understand, are the main issue, would still be required for EU compliance checks, anyway.
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@epincion Just an update: Barcelona plant closing was delayed last August, maybe to account for Brexit.
Furthermore, but that's only my feeling, I can't see any factory manufacturing cars for the UK market solely. Just in time supply chains are required and it will not be cost effective to import parts, or rely on a local supplier with limited capacity and no economy of scale.
It did not work in Australia, Holden closed down, and UK will be better served by importing cheap cars from China, India, ... or any other block they will happen to have a deal with (Japan, Korea, USA...). all major manufacturers have already plants all over the world and they can export from any one of them if required.
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@LarsPallesen it is unclear, yet.
What has been announced is that US, UK and Australia will "share" submarines in the foreseeable future. Probably, at first, some Australians crew members among the others.
There will be US, and probably UK, bases in Australia. What good it is for the UK is unknown, as they have no interests in the Pacific, but, OK...
What is speculated is that, as the UK starts designing a replacement for the Astute class subs, Australia can be part of the project. As the first one is planned for 2040, nobody knows which subs Australia will have in the 2030/40 period, however.
Will the UK or the US loan one of theirs? Or will they patrol in the Pacific on Australia's behalf (meaning Australia will pay for that)?
The only benefit for the UK, apart from the fact Bojo can brag about that deal in the UK, maybe that Australia may order some Astute class submarines, to be made in the UK. But nothing of the like was confirmed, so far.
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@AareffSystems Over complicating it? really?
1. Not if they want to be a full member of the EU
2. there are no CE markings on livestock, shellfish, food. Their conformity must be checked at the border, as there are today.
3. No. If they have tariff free acces to the UK, they will not have tariff free access to the EU. Existing tariffs between UK and EU will apply. Ireland, no more than NI today, would be allowed to smuggle tariff free goods in the EU.
"Solutions to peace are not easy and it requires compromise by all sides." Already done. UK and EU agreed on a border in the Irish Sea, with EU compromising that NI, despite being a foreign country, stays in the EU single market and custom union.
Again, you don't seem to understand that NOR UK OR RoI WANTS THAT.
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@AareffSystems I'm sorry, but a custom union limited to the UK and the RoI is out of the question:
- The Republic of Ireland is fully part of the EU. A border between a member and the rest of the EU is unacceptable, and such a border could not be avoided as EU/UK trade deal requires one.
- The UK has never demonstrated any intention to merge with the RoI in a custom union
- The RoI wants to be part of the EU single market and custom union, and has no intention to replace it by a custom union with the UK,
- Even if a border was put in place between EU and the RoI, one between UK and RoI would still be required, at least for food and other goods that must be checked when entering the EU, and make sure other goods correspond to what is declared. Thus the issue of a border in the Irish Sea would not be fixed at all.
Norther Ireland is a concern for the EU, and particularly the RoI, since 2016. One of the top priorities of Brexit negociations, as mentioned by Michel Barnier, our Chief Negociator, was to secure the Good Friday Agreement and find the best solution for both parts. The UK agreed that the best solution was for NI to stay in the Single Market and the Custom Union.
That's the best solution that was proposed so far. Nobody has come with a better one. Yours does not work, for the above mentioned reasons. It is a pity that not everybody, particularly some parties and groups in Northern Ireland, can see that, but there is no alternative.
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@AareffSystems if the UK does not stick to the international agreements it agreed to, it will face the consequences.
The EU and the international community will retaliate. And the EU has already put the case in court
And, no, again, there is no other option. I have demonstrated that your solution would not work and is unacceptable. It would leave a border in the Irish sea., which is what the DUP does not want, to start with.
What the DUP want is unacceptable. Like the world did not convert into fundamentalist muslims to please Al Qaeda and ISIS, it will not throw the GFA and EU sovereignty through the window to please a handful of nationalists.
Unless the UK joins the custom union, which would solve all issues but would not please the brexiters, or they miraculously find a better solution, the DUP will have to get over it.
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