Comments by "Arun Sar" (@arunsar7893) on "The Magnificent History Of Bhutan's Royal Family | Asia's Monarchies | Real Royalty" video.

@PomegranateChocolate "I am not from the PRC and certainly have nothing to do with CCP" - Would like to know where you are from then cause your statements clearly sound like you are a card carrying CCP member. No one else (Japanese, Koreans, Vietnamese, Burmese, Nepalese and Certainly not Indian) would say things like these: * " Sikkim was a small neighbour of China for several hundred years" * "Tibetans are fine" " It was not like the Tibetans were single out. The whole of China at that period gone through this trauma. It was a crazy period in China called the cultural revolution." - Really?? .. Tibet was annexed in 1950, sir. Full 15 years before Cultural Revolution. Off-course the logic was, it was part of China since "ancient times". * China has no desire to grab other people's land - This is the best one These are classic CCP Propaganda statements. All factually wrong. Just checking if you know about Tienanmen Square or if you think that was Western Propaganda too? "Why would the Chinese oppress Islam and Catholism? It doesn't even make sense from a Chinese perspective." - There is only one perspective that exists in China and that's the CCP's perspective. CCP does what it does cause it wants to preserve it's power. And it can't have religions which have trans-national loyalties and hence the oppression/suppression. I don't mean it in an offensive way, but you seriously lack perspective. A complete absence of perspective actually when it comes to religion and caste system. You don't get it. Another reason why I said, you don't know much about India in my previous comment. Please tell me where you are from though. That answer should be very intriguing.
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@PomegranateChocolate "Northeasterners in general, and that includes Sikkimese and Tibetans often face ethnic slurs (momos, chinkis..etc.), harassment or even beat to death just because of their appearance. " - Racial slurs are a reality of India. Every person from one part faces it when he/she goes to the other part. The only difference is that you think it's unique to the Northeasterners. "There are a lot of insurgencies operating in the northeast and they are met with brutal suppression by the Indian arm forces.The Nagas people have been fighting for their independence from day one when India was created in 1947 is just one example. " - There were insurgencies in Punjab ,Tamil Nadu and Assam as well. Each of which is Culturally linguistically, historically and religiously related to "India". Do they see "Indians" as occupiers too?? Not to mention the Maoist insurgency in the Indian heart land. Insurgency is a matter of internal security and it will and always has been brutally suppressed by any Nation State across the world. Look at what the Chinese are doing to the fellow- "mongoloid stock" in Tibet. And that was the reason why in 1962, during the Indo-China war, Northeast insurgents could declare freedom, but they didn't. You need to find out Why? Aheto Sema (recently passed away) who was once a fierce enemy joined the ranks of Indian Army.Why? I have many naga (& khasi ) friends, from many diff. tribes Ao, Angami, Sema, Lotha etc. And you present a very one-sided and selective narrative of the situation. "Bollywood is banned in many parts of the northeast while K-pop is popular there. This shows what their cultural orientation is which is no surprise." - Also, goes to show that you can be part of the Indian State and still maintain your 'cultural orientation'. Btw, k-pop is popular in many other parts of India as well, just like Anime is. It has nothing to do with "cultural orientation". " If it is not for the British had an empire in South Asia the northeast would never have been part of India." - Very likely. But then no one can really know what the Indian State would look like. Also, there is no way to say that Northeast would be independent countries.Highly likely that China would see it as a way to bypass the Malacca Strait and instead of building CPEC it would just probably occupy the Northeast, since China's best excuse to do that is "it was part of China since ancient times" and offcourse the "mongoloid stock", which you think is the most important binding factor. You Lack Perspective, my friend.
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@PomegranateChocolate Ahh! .. Now I get it. You don't lack perspective. You have a perspective. Just that it's a Chinese one. :-) And you want to impose that as a universal view. Btw, your arguments are full of factual errors and assumptions.But I won't waste my time correcting them.Just wanted to talk abou the two which stood out the most are: "One is ethnic oppression. The other is religious oppression." - China under CCP is one of the most oppressive countries. Not just of other ethnicity but especially of other religions (Islam & Catholicism specifically.) Your views seem to be from some parallel universe. I know you will disagree. But let's agree to disagree. And "East Asian cultures in general and Chinese culture in particular because Western culture and Chinese culture could not have been more different." - Not sure why you had to say this and use this Chinese v/s West perspective throughout your argument, especially since I am India, not from a Western Country. Also, one would never say this if they knew how similar Chinese and India Cultures are (saying this from my experience with my Chinese friends from my Uni days.)It's pretty clear that you don't know much about India, India culture or the North-East India.
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@PomegranateChocolate "The land grabbing of Tibet starts before India even exists" - Firstly, I can't respect anyone who uses terms like "before India even exists". Just goes to show you have zero clue of India's history. Indian civilization has been there for thousands of years just like the Chinese Civilization. The Indian Nation state is new, just like the Chinese Nation state is new. "the PRC and the ROC do not recognize each other, meaning as far as the PRC is concern Taiwan is part of the PRC, and as far as Taiwan is concerned mainland China is part of the ROC" - I am well aware of this " Taiwan (the Republic of China) never concedes the independence of Mongolia and vehemently condemned the annexation of South Tibet (so-called Arunachal Pradesh) by India." "You think only Communist China has a problem with India's land-grabbing of South Tibet?" Dude it doesn't matter if what RoC concedes and what it doesn't. RoC doesn't even have the mainland, do you think anyone cares what RoC claims and whether it concedes something or it doesn't?? .. You can call it "South Tibet" or whatever you like. The fact is the area is called Arunachal Pradesh, it is under Indian Control and it belongs to India legally as per the Shimla Convention signed between British India and Tibest govt. in 1914. The only land grabbing that was done was by RoC, which annexed by RoC in 1950. Now, Roc believes Tibet was still under Chinese Rule when it clearly wasn't after Xinhai Revolution in 1912, is Roc's problem. Not India's. " The land grabbing of Tibet starts before India even exists. It starts during the British Raj, a certified expansionist. " - The real land grabbing started even before that. Done by Qing dynasty (which latter lost it), another certified expansionist force. "When India came into existence it continues the footstep of the British and continues the intrusion into Chinese territories." - India inherited it's territory from British India just like RoC/PRC from the Qing Dynasty. China keeps Xinjiang (and Tibet) in it's territory and brutally suppresses their secessionist impulse even today . And just like NorthEast India is culturally, linguistically, religiously different from rest of India, same goes for Xinjiang and China. But you don't seem to have any problem with that. You dismiss it as "western propaganda". But You have a problem bcs North east India is a part of India and you go on to tell me how much they hate Indians. Do you have any idea how much the Ughyurs hate the Chinese? In this whole exercise, you are exposing yourself as the hypocrite you are.
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@PomegranateChocolate "On August 15, 1947 there were still over five hundred princely states that were never part of British India." - They were all a part of British India. Each one of them. The treaty of accession that they signed was for them to legally agree to accede into the "Nation State" of India, but they were all part of British India just like NEFA. If your logic is applied (which isn't logical at all) probably more than 50% of mainland India is also "land-grabbed". Can't pay heed to such logic. "Shimla convention has no legal standing." - As per you. I keep asserting it cause according to me it does. "Those who are stuck in India with the exception of a few have a lot of resentment towards India. " - You would love to believe that CCP propaganda isn't it? .. Except I have met them in Dharmashala, where they live and they can't stop abusing the Chinese. See how they show their 'love' fr China: In India: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EL4-Ffp0z6Q But also in China: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RnBkD_1N1QE "hey have relatives in China and know their relatives are doing much better in China than in India. " - You Chinese morons don't get religion and culture, do you? .Maybe cause you destroyed your own during the Cultural Revolution. Not everything is about money. " I predict in the upcoming years the exiled Tibetans in India will be a big headache for India and may trigger the cessation of the northeast from India" - We have handled much bigger headaches. We will be fine. Moreover, given your low intellect I am not very worried. "the largest third world turd on this planet earth" - A third world country on which China, even after all it's advances, can't assert it's claims. Such is the so called powerful Dragon. India's GDP and per capita GDP is exactly where China's was 15 years back. I guess that means China has only recently evolved from being a third world turd.
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@PomegranateChocolate If you are from Hong Kong (This is where I would say you are from, given your English and constant contrast of Western v/s Chinese Perspective), I would say Happy Unification. If you are from Taiwan, I would say, Happy Unification, in 8 years or so. P.S: I haven't read your comment as I am having lunch now. Just replying to the last part. I will read it and reply once I am done having my lunch.
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@PomegranateChocolate "Manipur was annexed in 1949 when India forces its leader to sign the so called Article of Ascension under gun point." - Find out how Hyderabad became a part of India. More than 400 Article of Ascensions were signed but that still doesn't mean they weren't part of British India. "Tawang is the Sixth Dalai Lama's birthplace and home to a four hundred yeas old Tibetan monastery. Tawang has never been part of the British Raj." - Tawang is within McMohan Line and hence India territory. British India kept trying to assert control since 1935, after a British citizen went into Tawang and got arrested. It wasn't successful until 1951. That wasn't annexing. That was asserting control on an area which belonged to India as per Shimla Convention. For all these stories of "annexing" tibet, Dalai Lama and 100k Tibetians decided to take refuge in India. God knows why! Especially, since Chinese are such benevolent people. "At the end of 2008, a little over a decade after Britain returned Hong Kong back to China, the Tibet issue finally has no utility for Britain as a bargaining chip of Britain in dealing with China on Hong Kong, Britain finally has no stake in Tibet and can afford to be honest for once. The British government put out a statement recognizing China's sovereignty of Tibet (before it was suzerainty, not sovereignty) " - I already knew this. Not sure what makes you think change in British Govt.'s stance in 2008 should have any bearing on India's idea of sovereignty. UK has it's own interest now and can have different positions based on it's own interest. Trade with China is good, so why antagonise China, can be a very easy explanation rather than your suggestion that UK admits it cause it's true. " Indians are shameless people." - True. Only the China are God Sent and hence center of the world. "No Chinese government, whether the PRC or ROC (Taiwan) ever recognizes the so-called MacMahon line." - Means jackshit really cause that's the only thing India govt. recognises and controls the territory that it claims. "Free South Tibet (so-called Arunachal Pradesh) from India." - As soon as you Free East Turkmenstan. Until then, don't hold your breath. Or do. That's really up to you. I think we have had enough of this. This will be my last reply.Bye.
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This was very informative. :-)
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@PomegranateChocolate Thanks for speaking your mind and bringing up a lot of facts. I will research this and find out more. And I agree Indian Govt. might have set a narrative which makes Indians believe a different version of history than what you point to. But I hope you agree that India hasn't forced Bhutan or Sikkim to change it's culture or extract resources like the colonial power do. Even the Tibetians who came to India maintain their own culture. I can't speak of Bhutan but I have met many people from Sikkim and they don't seem to have any problem with India or being a part of it.
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@PomegranateChocolate Dude .. You comments are getting seriously delusional and devoid of facts. "The northeast including Manipur, Tripura, Sikkim, South Tibet, Nagaland, were never part of the British Raj. It was invaded and annexed by India after the British have already left." - I don't know where you read you history from, but North East has always been a part of British Ra and was called as NEFT. Even the present day Myanmar(Burma) was a part of British Raj and was ruled under the same administration until 1937 when it was separated from British India into a separately administered colony until 1948. This idea of India "annexing" NorthEastern States after the British left is a delusion. It never happened. India, since it's independence in 1947 has always maintained and claimed territory that were inherited from British India. No less. No more. On the otherhand, RoC and PRC claim parts of British India, because they believed Tibet was part of China (which it wasn't). Infact, PRC(/RoC) was much bigger than in 1950 as compared to 1913. Add to that the claims on South China Sea and funding economically dud projects and taking them over (E.g hambantota) .So, I would say China is expansionist. "This is obviously a political hack job. Not a single Muslim country raises any concern about Xinjiang" - Not even a single Muslim Country?? .. Ever heard of Turkey? Do you know why Turkey cut the water supply to the Chinese Embassy only some days back? What's East Tukstan ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/East_Turkestan ) ?..Find out for yourself or live in delusion calling everything a Western Propaganda. That's up to you. "That place wasn't even called AP at that time. In the later years, it was called NEFA (Northeast Frontier Agency) by the British Raj" - Yes, it was called NEFA (previously NEFT and always a part of British Raj), but not just Arunanchal Pradesh. It included Assam, Nagaland and many other states, which were separated out of NEFA and made into states later. One of the states was named Aruanchal Pradesh. None of this means it wasn't a part of British Raj. "Shimla convention has no legal standing because it was a tripartite convention (the British, Tibetan and China) and China didn't sign it. " - China didn't sign it because negotiations failed between China and Tibet, not because China had a problem with the British & Tibetan arrangement (This is documented). So, the British & Tibet signed a bilateral agreement. China now uses it to assert claims which it never had. " The so-called McMahon line is a diplomatic forgery that was added on it decades later. The real original treaty of the Shimla treaty without the McMahon line still survives in the Oxford library. " - Not really. It way more complicated than that. And the original treaty does include the McMahon line. I don't think we can agree on much of this especially if Chinese Diplomats and Indian Diplomats have failed to agree for 70 years. You can believe what you want and I will do the same. So, let's not waste each other's time. The only difference between me and you is that I accept there was insurgency(funded by China) in India and the Indian govt. brutally crushed it. You can't even bring yourself to admit what China has done to Tibetans and is doing to Ughyurs in Xinjiang. You are brushing it off as western propaganda. Anyway, this is something may want to see (though it's not specifically related to the topic): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-sXE-S_pWUQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jv0JT9FuEQI It was a good conversation. Good Day!
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