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@engalipak "Syria was the after-shock of Iraq war crime. Its basic factual history. " - Syrian instability was due to the demand of the public for democracy during the Arab Spring and unlike, say in, Egypt where the dictator gave up power, Assad decided not to. You seriously need to check the sources from which you get your 'basic factual history'.
" Same is being faced by Pakistan in form of destabilized Aghanistan but hope it will come out of it." - I love how your wash Pakistan of any responsibility and make it sound as if they are the victims. Pakistan was instrumental in destabilizing Afghanistan. They got paid for it too. They are just reaping what they had sown for so long. I hope they get out of it, but, sir the way you are white washing Pakistani involvement, you seem to be a England bred Mirpuri (Pakistani) Patriot. From Bradford by any chance?
"Eating halal food , wearing religious clothes etc is a need and requirement for a community" - That NOT what they are demanding though. They are DEMANDING pork shouldn't be served in schools because they don't eat it. Well, how about they ask their children not to eat it while others who want to do? .. They are DEMANDING schools to remove all LGBTQ content.
Can't really compare followers of Islam, a religion which wants to spread to every corner of the world and establish a Caliphate and Sharia law under which Kafurs can be killed with impunity, with other religions. It's really a special religion with special demands and needs special treatment.
P.S: I am an Atheist. Not a Hindu religiously.
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@BharatThatIsIndia "Modi ji was doing Mujra in this election and now he will do the same for Naidu and Nitish. This is the power of people in Indian democracy." - Talking about Mujra is so Congress Eco-chamber language. When Modi got majority that was the power of people in Indian democracy as well. It's just that you didn't like it. So, it was labelled as "democratic backsliding". I have rarely me such loosers in life who are happy even if they couldn't cross a 100 seats after 10 years of anti-incumbency and because Modi didn't get a majority. When did Congress last get 240 seats? .. Remind me again?
Btw, both Nitish and Naidu have a lot less leverage than Congress voters think they do. They will not be able to get Home Ministry, Defense, Finance, Foreign Affairs, for sure. And it's highly unlikely that allies get Railways, Commerce, IT or Telecom. That's where bulk of the work of Modi govt is happening. Naidu will have to take centers assistance to build Amravati while serving as the CM of Andhra and planning for Nara Lokesh's succession. Nitesh can't switch sides like he always does cause, firstly chances of INDI Alliance forming govt is zero and even if they do form a govt. what will Nitesh Kumar get? .. He has 12 seats while TMC has 29, DMK has 22, SP has 37 and Congress has 99. so the Mujra will be from the otherside.
"Unemployment is at record high since 2018-19" - Unemployment is a structural issue. It started going up from 2011. And that's happening cause India has not become a significant manufacturing hub like it should have. Modi govt has done more for that transition to happen than Congress could ever have. But facts rarely matter to the average Congress voters. They just parrot what their supreme leader says mindlessly.
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@mohamedhabib8460 This is a digression from the initial discussion. But I will engage.
Your believes and demands only work in an utopian idealist world, NOT practically.
Also, what's with putting every responsibility on the government?? ... Why is there no talk about the responsibilities of the Citizens? ..
"US and MOST of the First World provide enormous information to the Public and the Press educate the People immediately. " - They don't educate their citizens. they put out information for citizens who are "interested" to find information that's required. No government on the face of this earth has been able to "educate" their citizens to be able to support the right policy.
If what you say was true, Brexit would never have happened. Or people of Germany would never have opposed nuclear power generation.
India puts out enough data (less than developed nations with better resources, but enough) to support some of the most obvious policies. Interested citizens can go through it and support policies like Farm Bills, for example. Does that happen though? .. Nope. Citizens are like spoilt entitled children who believe all they will do is put a vote once every 5 years and crib rest of the time. They will not take time to understand the country's limitations. They protest when there vested interest gets harmed.
In an ideal democracy like the one you are describing, Citizens are equally responsible for the democracy to function the way you want it to function.
"IF this is ignored or neglected, then you pave the way for Autocracy of the type of Putin, MBS, Xi " - Life of an average citizen is better in each of those countries when compared to many "democracies". Democracy is over-rated. And the proponents of it are ideologues. They support it cause they "believe" it's better. Whether it actually is better or not, is arguable.
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@rameshg2717 "so why stopped so suddenly? So, why supreme court stopped it?? So, why did government itself offer to stop the implementation of farm laws for one year?? " - The irony is, only someone who doesn't understand politics would ask that, but someone who doesn't understand politics would also never understand the answer.
"This government brings electoral bonds, keeping at away from RTI." - Something which was supported by the opposition, Congress in Particular. Find out why.
"Previous government brought in RTI act which gave much needed transparent process." - I doubt someone who doesn't support the farm laws understands what's much needed.
"Ur right in a way, Cows are atleast living happier than wild life in our country." - This is a testament to your shallow knowledge. Both Milk and Beef production in India is Buffalo based. Beef ban would have made buffaloes happier, not Cows. Cows lives have remained unchanged even after BJP coming to power😊 .. You would know that had you bothered to learn something about India rather than falling prey to the political rhetoric, where Cow, Cow dung, Cow Piss etc find their way consistently.
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@engalipak " I will use 'instrumental in liberating Afghanistan'" - I am not sure where Pakistan gets this sense that everyone wants to get liberated and it falls upon Pakistan's shoulders to liberate them.
"Majority of Aghanis 90% + are happy for the part that the foreign occupations have ended " - I don't know what gives you this confidence but every Afghans I have talked to absolutely loathes Pakistan.
"Pakistan is a 3rd world country, yet it hosts Millions of Aghans and have suffered without complaining too much about it. " - Well, I don't think it can complain given it 'liberated' Afghanistan and it's the reason they are there.
"Yes I am a patriot, in fact need to be right now. Pakistani awam needs to be the most patriotic currently due to the issues we are in right now" - Good for you, and Pakistan! .. But I think, the kind of patriots, who carefully "choose" words to reaffirm Pakistan's delusions. Those 'magnificent delusions' have lead to the state Pakistan currently is in. A true Patriot would give Pakistan a does of reality, not ideology.
"There is no precedent on the planet currently where Muslims in West are demanding to close down pubs, demolish other faith related infrastructure, force to wear modest clothing" - Sharia Patrols from East Ham, London .. Say Hi!
"Almost all of them have moved past this view and feel embarrassed when they look back." - I am very matured, I have read the Qu'ran & Hadith and I have very smart people who have drawn the same conclusion as me. I would be embarrassed if I thought otherwise about Islam. I couldn't care less if friends of some random dude on internet are embarrassed or not.
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@sikandersingh3145 Why would the govt. do that?? .. It's extremely stupid and self-serving demand. Why does someone think they are entitled to such protections in the first place, especially since no one else other than Punjab, harayana and some parts of Western UP get it???? No other item other than Wheat, Rice, Sugar and few others enjoy these provisions. This has lead to farmers producing more and more rice and wheat even though there is no market to buy it. That has lead to depletion of water levels, thanks to all the free electricity and water.
Why do farmers from Punjab get these assurances and sell paddy at Rs 1850, when farmers from other places in India sell it at Rs 1250??
If you can't understand that even after getting cheap inputs (like free water & electricity and subsidized fertilizer) and selling price which is 50% above market value, the unit economics is still not working out, then you need to diversity out of it, then nothing much can be done to help them.
By opposing the farm laws, the farmers have tightened the noose around their neck. So many people including SS Johal said it, but when people are so eager to kill themselves, no one can stop it from happening.
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@swapniln8904 " Interesting, but then why he cries 70 years , when the condition of india was bad after 1947? " - I don't know who you are talking about. But if you mean Modi, then I must say, I am not a BJP spokeperson and I can't answer why he says the things that he does. My guess would be to discredit anything and everything Congress has ever done. So, I am smart enough to know that the narrative that Congress hasn't done anything in 70 years is crap. But I don't think most Indians are. So some believe it and it makes for good politics. Similar games are played by the Congress against BJP btw.
"He would had made arrangements for travelling laborers." - Yes. Very Likely.
"built oxygen plant instead of 1300 crore home." - Hope you do know that Oxygen shortage is a logistics issue, not a financial one. Redirecting 1300 Crs into making "oxygen plant" (as if it can be done in a day or even a month), would have made zero difference to the accessible Oxygen supply that India has today. So, this is just an opposition narrative that doesn't hold much water as an argument, but sure does make for good politics.
Since you have diverted away from just talking about Covid into talking about economy, let me address that a bit.
"He would not had carried out demonetization, the most foolish move. " - I agree. Purely from the perspective of economics , It was a dumb move.
" GST would had good structure" - Congress had 10 year to implement it. They kept discussing it for "good structure". My guess would be, based on historical data, Congress would have discussed it some more for another 10 years but would never have been able to implement it, whether with good or bad structure. Getting all states to agree to let go of their tax collecting ability with many of those states having opposition in power is like solving a 30-dimensional Optimization problem. I don't respect people who don't appreciate that fact and rather read a few articles and jump to the conclusion that GST could have had a "better structure".
"Some good public sector companies he would had established." - That's a clear impossibility. The only companies which are good are the ones which are efficient. And no Public Sector company is efficient. Public sector companies should all be sold off irrespective of whether they are profit making or not, unless they are strategically important. Something that this govt. has dared to say. Every previous govt. did it, cause it's the right thing to do, but didn't talk about it, they said "disinvestment".
"He would had not done hindu muslim hatred." - This is very likely true. They would have promoted caste divisions. Since that helps their politics.
"He would not had sold airports, railways, etc to private players." - Who sold the Delhi Airport?? .. remind me again? .. More importantly it's so moronic that educated Indians talk of Airports and Railways being "sold" to private players, when what's happening is actually a revenue sharing agreement exactly like Spectrum auctions. Govt.s's recurring non-tax income increases with this. And every Airport which has been sold is run better than govt. run airports. That is a fact based by data.
Manmohan Singh govt. couldn't have brought in the extremely important Farm reforms and Labour reforms. They couldn't have privatised Public Sector Banks. Another extremely necessary step. They could have brought in the Mining reforms maybe. But nothing else.
So, NO. I don't think Manmohan Singh would have done better for economy, even though he is an economist himself. He didn't have the political backing needed to implement difficult reforms.
Now, please don't tell me economy grew faster when MMS was PM. Anyone who knows basic economics would know there is always a lag between the reform and economics. And Indian economy has been slowing down because the credit growth had collapsed, thanks to NPAs in the banks. IBC solved that issue. Guess which govt. brought that in.
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Maximum Max "well written sir." - Thanks
" india today is full of highly oversmart unwise people who simply know to question and dont have the brains to analyze the root cause of anything holistically" - And most of them are in a slumber until someone starts protesting. Then they wake up, take a min to decide which of the two parties "seems" like the victim, read a few news articles and jump to conclusions. Next thing you know is #ISupportFarmer trending everywhere.
"both UPA and NDA are effectively the same" - Exactly. Just like The Republic and The Wire are the same. It's just that, one is more polished than the other. And I actively avoid The Quint and Scroll. Those are very depressing. If someone keeps reading them, as many people do, you think that the country has gone to the Dogs, especially the Economy. Little so people know that Indian Economy is all set to scale new highs.
"the only parties that dont do this is the BJD, JDU, AIADMK and maybe AAP." - BJD doesn't do it cause, one, it's based around a linguistic identity and Muslims are only 2% of the state. Polarisation doesn't work. AAP doesn't do it cause in a small place like Delhi, where public is relatively better educated and financially sound, it's easy to sell the idea of good governance. As AAP expands, it's politics will change. And given that in future India is going to have a larger Urban population vs rural, AAP maybe become the party which is BJP lite and fights in Urban India. I don't know about the others.
AAP's stance on Farmer's protest was hilarious. Kejriwal implements Odd-Even and encourages people to not burst crackers on Diwali to control Delhi pollution but when Reforms are brought in that would stop stubble burning, the reason behind Delhi's pollution, he opposes it with the aim to win seats in upcoming Punjab election. He is Greta Thunberg Dwitiya. In every possible sense. :-D
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@amanshukla8758 "Well, I think the British obviously didn't assimilate into our culture, but we did take some cues from them, like representative parliamentary democracy (Westminster system), a liberal constitution, an organised police force and military force, cricket, football, hockey, tennis, badminton, English, allopathy, etc." - Which of these did they want you to have, is the more important question. Answer to that is none.
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@Cotswolds1913 " India was very divided before Britain took over." - India had been divided and unified many times before the British came to India. Mughals aren't the only example. There were empires before them that had unified India 1000 years before Mughals came. And India didn't transition from Mughals to the British. There was a 70 year rule of Maratha Empire in between. People seem to forget that.
"Would India have unified in an alternate timeline with no British control?? Idk, that's really hard to answer, I'd like to think it would have" - I don't think that hypothetical question can be answered without being biased. But given the advancement in communications, it's likely that someone would have unified India. Would India have looked exactly the same as today? - Probably not.
"but we I think can at least take some of the good that came out of our timeline, rather than just lament the bad." - No one is lamenting the bad. But what you are trying to do is push a cuddly narrative. It's telling an African-American, "well it's true that the British brought you to America and traded you as slaves but atleast you got democracy and a chance at achieving the American Dream. So, don't just lament the bad, appreciate that atleast some good came out of the time you were being tortured." or telling the Jews, "it's true you had to suffer the holocaust, but atleast you got a country of your own. So, don't lament the bad. Look at the bright side. Atleast appreciate that you got something good out of it." Highly insensitive and patronising.
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@nikhilspeaking You are right. I am an engineer. But, no prizes for guessing that. In a country like India, there are many engineers. For example, Raghuram Rajan is an engineer with no econ. education. I think I am doing fine with that respect.
As for "few bold moves", I don't know about you, but GST, IBC, privatisation of govt entities, like Air India and the banks, opening up the mining sector, privatising discoms, changing labour laws etc are pretty bold moves when it comes to economy.
I would love to know what should the Modi govt have done for you to say, they know what they are doing and aren't clueless.
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@nikhilspeaking "of course you dont need econ. education to comment on govt. policy, but you can look up whether you can get finance PhD without PhD econ. coursework at MIT. " - Well, if having an Master level econ. course is the bar, I am happy to say that I qualify.
"Banking, power, basic urban infra, railways have a lot of scope for reforms above and beyond paper. Passing reforms in parliament is not a difficult task for this government" - I would like if you be a little more specific. Pick, let's say, banking and tell me what reforms you would like the govt. to pass and once these are passed you would then NOT say "Modi doesn't have a clue". What's the ask?
But if this is the criteria for someone to choose between BJP and Congress, then don't you think the argument goes against Congress? .. Cause any objective person would know, Congress can't pass anything in the parliament. Manmohan Singh literally said this "I have done my best, given the constraints of coalition govt."
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@anjankoner1390 I guessed you would start asking these questions since you were so insistent on history. That's exactly why in my previous comments I said "I don't think that will help you though, your moronic brain won't be able to take perspective into account." And my assessment was right. You didn't disappoint.
Tell me, by your logic of "examples of history" , "White Males of Abrahamic faiths" are the most intelligent. Since Newton, Einstein, Lebniz, Rutherford, Bohr, Darwin etc discovered the most important scientific, political, economic and philosophical theories. Everyone else in the world is a moron.(Remember Mr. Moron, I am not saying this. This is what you are saying in a different context.)
And I am no "Feminist". I am just a rational human being. But I know what would be too hard for you to differentiate.
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@Rajeshrranu I wouldn't mind if you said it as long as that's how you feel rather than saying it to score a point on social media.
In my opinion, all govt. entities should be privatised, barring a few operating in sensitive areas, irrespective of whether it not they are profit making. GoI doesn't need to mine Coal, generate electricity, manufacture Steel etc. All it needs to do is to Govern. So, I would welcome privatisation efforts from any party in power. Govt. running a business is a huge burden on the citizens.
Similarly, I would also welcome the changes that have been made to the Farm Laws, Labour Laws etc. And I would welcome if similar changes are being made to Land Acquisition Act. If in the process, the party doing it favours certain business groups over others, I don't mind. It makes no difference to the process of privatisation. The citizenry at large gains from the process. And that's all that matters.
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@sreekr Well, Firstly the comparison was with US and China in military capabilities. Whether or not Chinese citizens will have better lives and whether India will be able to provide decent health care to it's citizens wasn't the topic of discussion.
About US worries, advances in software (like AI) can easily be achieved. Hardware is where research takes time. And when US says it's not ready to compete, it means in China's back yard. The South China Sea, not even the second island chain, let alone the third Island Chain.
But having said that, your understanding of Economics seems patchy. You seem to believe China is going to achieve all these great things while India can't. Sure, Chinese citizens will have decent lifestyles but so will Indian Citizens. China's economy needs domestic consumption to increase to be able to sustain it's Economic growth because it's export led growth has reached its limits and is only going to reduce from here on out. Not only is it's demographic collapsing but also the current generation don't spend much cause there is no social security. So, China being able to depend on it's own economy for consumption is really doubtful. India, on the other hand, has been a consumption led economy from the very start. India's growth is more sustainable. India will keep growing much after 2050, as well, while China's growth will most likely slowdown.
What is China going to do when CCP's legitimacy doesn't come from economic growth as before?.. What will China do to service the huge debt it has amassed to boost it's economy leading to creation of Ghost Cities and infra which no one uses ?? .. What if EU & US diversify out of China, what will China do with it's over capacity? These are some questions which show the problems with the Chinese Economy and it's future prospects of growth.
People rarely realise India is exactly where China was 15 years back and will be exactly where China is today 15 years from now. It will take, however, take a huge political will to implement Economic reforms regularly. If the right reforms are attempted, then it's quiet likely that India will surpass China as world's largest Economy sometime in the next 30 years.
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@tat3179 I hate to break it to you, but China is nowhere close to being a military superpower. There is only one military superpower and that is USA. The difference between the two is so large that with all it's military build up, China will only be able to catch up to US sometime after 2050. That is the truth.
As for being a economic global power, there is no denying that. But China has overcapacity in production as it produces for the world, not for it's own consumption, which is at most 2 Trillion Dollar in size as compared to 12 Trillion Dollar for US and Europe each(I am talking about the market size, not economy). One needs to ask, what happens if US and Europe find an alternative to China? .. Who is China going to sell to then?
And as for "ganging up" on China, China brought it on itself but claiming everything by coming up with a lame logic of "it has been a part of china since ancient times". And India is looking after it's own interest by making sure it has enough to deter China (which it can even now), with spending as little on military as possible. So, it's finding allies which can help it do the same.
If you say India doesn't matter for China, then that makes me comfortable. Ignore India. That makes our life easier. India doesn't want to get into any military conflict unless absolutely necessary.
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