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@engalipak "Syria was the after-shock of Iraq war crime. Its basic factual history. " - Syrian instability was due to the demand of the public for democracy during the Arab Spring and unlike, say in, Egypt where the dictator gave up power, Assad decided not to. You seriously need to check the sources from which you get your 'basic factual history'.
" Same is being faced by Pakistan in form of destabilized Aghanistan but hope it will come out of it." - I love how your wash Pakistan of any responsibility and make it sound as if they are the victims. Pakistan was instrumental in destabilizing Afghanistan. They got paid for it too. They are just reaping what they had sown for so long. I hope they get out of it, but, sir the way you are white washing Pakistani involvement, you seem to be a England bred Mirpuri (Pakistani) Patriot. From Bradford by any chance?
"Eating halal food , wearing religious clothes etc is a need and requirement for a community" - That NOT what they are demanding though. They are DEMANDING pork shouldn't be served in schools because they don't eat it. Well, how about they ask their children not to eat it while others who want to do? .. They are DEMANDING schools to remove all LGBTQ content.
Can't really compare followers of Islam, a religion which wants to spread to every corner of the world and establish a Caliphate and Sharia law under which Kafurs can be killed with impunity, with other religions. It's really a special religion with special demands and needs special treatment.
P.S: I am an Atheist. Not a Hindu religiously.
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@debalik8806 "it began with Light industry, moved to assembly of raw materials then slowly indigenized ALL the Sub-Components & then eventually the Raw materials as well, ultimately creating hundreds of Entire industries whose Complete chain of production lies within China." - So, it took decades for China to reach a position but India is supposed to do that from the start and unless that happens we are going to say that no manufacturing is happening in India?? .. What kind o a position is that? .. Manufacturing in any country starts with assembly. Followed by other merchants slowly shifting other parts of the supply chain to where the product is being assembled.
"Not even USA dares to put sanctions on China. " - This argument is irrelevant in the discussion but I will answer it cause you have brought it up. That's because US doesn't have alternatives yet. That won't be the case very soon. A consumer(US) always has the option to diversify it's choices, but if US stops buying from China, where are they going to sell their manufactured stuff? .. US, the country which prints dollars has the upper hand here.
"So Yes, China supplies 72% of India's raw materials including 80% of the Active Pharma Ingredients, the lifeline of our prized Pharmaceuticals industry. " - This is factually wrong. We only get 30% APIs from China. And that happened not because China produced APIs better or cheaper than India could. It's because India Pharma moved up the value-chain to produce formulations (something that China hasn't been able to do), where there is better margins. Indian API industry used to dominate in 2000s, before moving formulations. So, you need to understand the context before selling India short and making it sound as if Indian Pharma will be crippled if China doesn't give us APIs.
"Well I am a Computer Science student so I am not an expert in Economics but I do have a close Friend who is a brilliant Economics student. I understand the basics of Economics very well & Technology " - I am someone working in tech as well and I graduated 13 years back. As far as economics is concerned I am sure Economist advising the India government have more experience than your friend.
"So Argue with facts if you can Not with useless barbs." - All my arguments are fact based, always. What you need to do is to stop over glorifying China and self-deprecating India/Indians. RG talks all bullshit through and through to paint a picture as if nothing is happening. You might have been too young to remember how Congress handled the economy and how they execute. BJP wins in that respect hands down. So I could do a little less with Rahul Gandhi's bullshit. If he comes to power (which is unlikely), India can kiss it's manufacturing dream good bye.
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@PomegranateChocolate "Northeasterners in general, and that includes Sikkimese and Tibetans often face ethnic slurs (momos, chinkis..etc.), harassment or even beat to death just because of their appearance. " - Racial slurs are a reality of India. Every person from one part faces it when he/she goes to the other part. The only difference is that you think it's unique to the Northeasterners.
"There are a lot of insurgencies operating in the northeast and they are met with brutal suppression by the Indian arm forces.The Nagas people have been fighting for their independence from day one when India was created in 1947 is just one example. " - There were insurgencies in Punjab ,Tamil Nadu and Assam as well. Each of which is Culturally linguistically, historically and religiously related to "India". Do they see "Indians" as occupiers too?? Not to mention the Maoist insurgency in the Indian heart land.
Insurgency is a matter of internal security and it will and always has been brutally suppressed by any Nation State across the world. Look at what the Chinese are doing to the fellow- "mongoloid stock" in Tibet.
And that was the reason why in 1962, during the Indo-China war, Northeast insurgents could declare freedom, but they didn't. You need to find out Why? Aheto Sema (recently passed away) who was once a fierce enemy joined the ranks of Indian Army.Why? I have many naga (& khasi ) friends, from many diff. tribes Ao, Angami, Sema, Lotha etc. And you present a very one-sided and selective narrative of the situation.
"Bollywood is banned in many parts of the northeast while K-pop is popular there. This shows what their cultural orientation is which is no surprise." - Also, goes to show that you can be part of the Indian State and still maintain your 'cultural orientation'. Btw, k-pop is popular in many other parts of India as well, just like Anime is. It has nothing to do with "cultural orientation".
" If it is not for the British had an empire in South Asia the northeast would never have been part of India." - Very likely. But then no one can really know what the Indian State would look like. Also, there is no way to say that Northeast would be independent countries.Highly likely that China would see it as a way to bypass the Malacca Strait and instead of building CPEC it would just probably occupy the Northeast, since China's best excuse to do that is "it was part of China since ancient times" and offcourse the "mongoloid stock", which you think is the most important binding factor.
You Lack Perspective, my friend.
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@PomegranateChocolate "The land grabbing of Tibet starts before India even exists" - Firstly, I can't respect anyone who uses terms like "before India even exists". Just goes to show you have zero clue of India's history. Indian civilization has been there for thousands of years just like the Chinese Civilization. The Indian Nation state is new, just like the Chinese Nation state is new.
"the PRC and the ROC do not recognize each other, meaning as far as the PRC is concern Taiwan is part of the PRC, and as far as Taiwan is concerned mainland China is part of the ROC" - I am well aware of this
" Taiwan (the Republic of China) never concedes the independence of Mongolia and vehemently condemned the annexation of South Tibet (so-called Arunachal Pradesh) by India." "You think only Communist China has a problem with India's land-grabbing of South Tibet?"
Dude it doesn't matter if what RoC concedes and what it doesn't. RoC doesn't even have the mainland, do you think anyone cares what RoC claims and whether it concedes something or it doesn't?? .. You can call it "South Tibet" or whatever you like. The fact is the area is called Arunachal Pradesh, it is under Indian Control and it belongs to India legally as per the Shimla Convention signed between British India and Tibest govt. in 1914. The only land grabbing that was done was by RoC, which annexed by RoC in 1950. Now, Roc believes Tibet was still under Chinese Rule when it clearly wasn't after Xinhai Revolution in 1912, is Roc's problem. Not India's.
" The land grabbing of Tibet starts before India even exists. It starts during the British Raj, a certified expansionist. " - The real land grabbing started even before that. Done by Qing dynasty (which latter lost it), another certified expansionist force.
"When India came into existence it continues the footstep of the British and continues the intrusion into Chinese territories." - India inherited it's territory from British India just like RoC/PRC from the Qing Dynasty.
China keeps Xinjiang (and Tibet) in it's territory and brutally suppresses their secessionist impulse even today . And just like NorthEast India is culturally, linguistically, religiously different from rest of India, same goes for Xinjiang and China. But you don't seem to have any problem with that. You dismiss it as "western propaganda". But You have a problem bcs North east India is a part of India and you go on to tell me how much they hate Indians. Do you have any idea how much the Ughyurs hate the Chinese?
In this whole exercise, you are exposing yourself as the hypocrite you are.
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@PomegranateChocolate "Manipur was annexed in 1949 when India forces its leader to sign the so called Article of Ascension under gun point." - Find out how Hyderabad became a part of India. More than 400 Article of Ascensions were signed but that still doesn't mean they weren't part of British India.
"Tawang is the Sixth Dalai Lama's birthplace and home to a four hundred yeas old Tibetan monastery. Tawang has never been part of the British Raj." - Tawang is within McMohan Line and hence India territory. British India kept trying to assert control since 1935, after a British citizen went into Tawang and got arrested. It wasn't successful until 1951. That wasn't annexing. That was asserting control on an area which belonged to India as per Shimla Convention.
For all these stories of "annexing" tibet, Dalai Lama and 100k Tibetians decided to take refuge in India. God knows why! Especially, since Chinese are such benevolent people.
"At the end of 2008, a little over a decade after Britain returned Hong Kong back to China, the Tibet issue finally has no utility for Britain as a bargaining chip of Britain in dealing with China on Hong Kong, Britain finally has no stake in Tibet and can afford to be honest for once. The British government put out a statement recognizing China's sovereignty of Tibet (before it was suzerainty, not sovereignty) " - I already knew this. Not sure what makes you think change in British Govt.'s stance in 2008 should have any bearing on India's idea of sovereignty. UK has it's own interest now and can have different positions based on it's own interest. Trade with China is good, so why antagonise China, can be a very easy explanation rather than your suggestion that UK admits it cause it's true.
" Indians are shameless people." - True. Only the China are God Sent and hence center of the world.
"No Chinese government, whether the PRC or ROC (Taiwan) ever recognizes the so-called MacMahon line." - Means jackshit really cause that's the only thing India govt. recognises and controls the territory that it claims.
"Free South Tibet (so-called Arunachal Pradesh) from India." - As soon as you Free East Turkmenstan. Until then, don't hold your breath. Or do. That's really up to you.
I think we have had enough of this. This will be my last reply.Bye.
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@ashharhasan3120 Well, I am not going to "regale" anything cause that would be spoon feeding people who believe the sole theme for Modi to get a majority of Indians to vote for him, not once but twice, was hate (against a community). If you believe that to be the reality then, my friend, you are f**ked.
But if you think a majority of Indian population aren't dumb morons, which is the likely case unless one deliberately wants to be intellectually lazy, and that they vote of BJP for rational reasons rather than ideological ones, then I suggest you start using your zealous intellect, if it exists, to explore those reasons.
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@BharatThatIsIndia "Modi ji was doing Mujra in this election and now he will do the same for Naidu and Nitish. This is the power of people in Indian democracy." - Talking about Mujra is so Congress Eco-chamber language. When Modi got majority that was the power of people in Indian democracy as well. It's just that you didn't like it. So, it was labelled as "democratic backsliding". I have rarely me such loosers in life who are happy even if they couldn't cross a 100 seats after 10 years of anti-incumbency and because Modi didn't get a majority. When did Congress last get 240 seats? .. Remind me again?
Btw, both Nitish and Naidu have a lot less leverage than Congress voters think they do. They will not be able to get Home Ministry, Defense, Finance, Foreign Affairs, for sure. And it's highly unlikely that allies get Railways, Commerce, IT or Telecom. That's where bulk of the work of Modi govt is happening. Naidu will have to take centers assistance to build Amravati while serving as the CM of Andhra and planning for Nara Lokesh's succession. Nitesh can't switch sides like he always does cause, firstly chances of INDI Alliance forming govt is zero and even if they do form a govt. what will Nitesh Kumar get? .. He has 12 seats while TMC has 29, DMK has 22, SP has 37 and Congress has 99. so the Mujra will be from the otherside.
"Unemployment is at record high since 2018-19" - Unemployment is a structural issue. It started going up from 2011. And that's happening cause India has not become a significant manufacturing hub like it should have. Modi govt has done more for that transition to happen than Congress could ever have. But facts rarely matter to the average Congress voters. They just parrot what their supreme leader says mindlessly.
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@PomegranateChocolate Dude .. You comments are getting seriously delusional and devoid of facts.
"The northeast including Manipur, Tripura, Sikkim, South Tibet, Nagaland, were never part of the British Raj. It was invaded and annexed by India after the British have already left." - I don't know where you read you history from, but North East has always been a part of British Ra and was called as NEFT. Even the present day Myanmar(Burma) was a part of British Raj and was ruled under the same administration until 1937 when it was separated from British India into a separately administered colony until 1948. This idea of India "annexing" NorthEastern States after the British left is a delusion. It never happened. India, since it's independence in 1947 has always maintained and claimed territory that were inherited from British India. No less. No more.
On the otherhand, RoC and PRC claim parts of British India, because they believed Tibet was part of China (which it wasn't). Infact, PRC(/RoC) was much bigger than in 1950 as compared to 1913. Add to that the claims on South China Sea and funding economically dud projects and taking them over (E.g hambantota) .So, I would say China is expansionist.
"This is obviously a political hack job. Not a single Muslim country raises any concern about Xinjiang" - Not even a single Muslim Country?? .. Ever heard of Turkey? Do you know why Turkey cut the water supply to the Chinese Embassy only some days back? What's East Tukstan ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/East_Turkestan ) ?..Find out for yourself or live in delusion calling everything a Western Propaganda. That's up to you.
"That place wasn't even called AP at that time. In the later years, it was called NEFA (Northeast Frontier Agency) by the British Raj" - Yes, it was called NEFA (previously NEFT and always a part of British Raj), but not just Arunanchal Pradesh. It included Assam, Nagaland and many other states, which were separated out of NEFA and made into states later. One of the states was named Aruanchal Pradesh. None of this means it wasn't a part of British Raj.
"Shimla convention has no legal standing because it was a tripartite convention (the British, Tibetan and China) and China didn't sign it. " - China didn't sign it because negotiations failed between China and Tibet, not because China had a problem with the British & Tibetan arrangement (This is documented). So, the British & Tibet signed a bilateral agreement. China now uses it to assert claims which it never had.
" The so-called McMahon line is a diplomatic forgery that was added on it decades later. The real original treaty of the Shimla treaty without the McMahon line still survives in the Oxford library. " - Not really. It way more complicated than that. And the original treaty does include the McMahon line.
I don't think we can agree on much of this especially if Chinese Diplomats and Indian Diplomats have failed to agree for 70 years. You can believe what you want and I will do the same. So, let's not waste each other's time.
The only difference between me and you is that I accept there was insurgency(funded by China) in India and the Indian govt. brutally crushed it. You can't even bring yourself to admit what China has done to Tibetans and is doing to Ughyurs in Xinjiang. You are brushing it off as western propaganda.
Anyway, this is something may want to see (though it's not specifically related to the topic):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-sXE-S_pWUQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jv0JT9FuEQI
It was a good conversation. Good Day!
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@mohamedhabib8460 This is a digression from the initial discussion. But I will engage.
Your believes and demands only work in an utopian idealist world, NOT practically.
Also, what's with putting every responsibility on the government?? ... Why is there no talk about the responsibilities of the Citizens? ..
"US and MOST of the First World provide enormous information to the Public and the Press educate the People immediately. " - They don't educate their citizens. they put out information for citizens who are "interested" to find information that's required. No government on the face of this earth has been able to "educate" their citizens to be able to support the right policy.
If what you say was true, Brexit would never have happened. Or people of Germany would never have opposed nuclear power generation.
India puts out enough data (less than developed nations with better resources, but enough) to support some of the most obvious policies. Interested citizens can go through it and support policies like Farm Bills, for example. Does that happen though? .. Nope. Citizens are like spoilt entitled children who believe all they will do is put a vote once every 5 years and crib rest of the time. They will not take time to understand the country's limitations. They protest when there vested interest gets harmed.
In an ideal democracy like the one you are describing, Citizens are equally responsible for the democracy to function the way you want it to function.
"IF this is ignored or neglected, then you pave the way for Autocracy of the type of Putin, MBS, Xi " - Life of an average citizen is better in each of those countries when compared to many "democracies". Democracy is over-rated. And the proponents of it are ideologues. They support it cause they "believe" it's better. Whether it actually is better or not, is arguable.
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@rameshg2717 "so why stopped so suddenly? So, why supreme court stopped it?? So, why did government itself offer to stop the implementation of farm laws for one year?? " - The irony is, only someone who doesn't understand politics would ask that, but someone who doesn't understand politics would also never understand the answer.
"This government brings electoral bonds, keeping at away from RTI." - Something which was supported by the opposition, Congress in Particular. Find out why.
"Previous government brought in RTI act which gave much needed transparent process." - I doubt someone who doesn't support the farm laws understands what's much needed.
"Ur right in a way, Cows are atleast living happier than wild life in our country." - This is a testament to your shallow knowledge. Both Milk and Beef production in India is Buffalo based. Beef ban would have made buffaloes happier, not Cows. Cows lives have remained unchanged even after BJP coming to power😊 .. You would know that had you bothered to learn something about India rather than falling prey to the political rhetoric, where Cow, Cow dung, Cow Piss etc find their way consistently.
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@ZweiZwolf "If India had a billion basic factory jobs and Indians had enough education to safely operate machinery, there could be an economic dividend. " - Those basic factory jobs have started to appear, especially in toy and mobile manufacturing. As more FTAs are signed, Infra and port turn around times improve (which have improved significantly already), more of these basic factory jobs will be created. Electricity production, which was a problem earlier has been remedied already. Labour laws have been reformed centrally and need to be implemented at state level. As BJP wins 2024, which it will, other reforms like Land acquisition bill will be addressed.
It's a mistake to assume India doesn't manufacture anything. India manufactures and exports automobiles, auto ancillaries, pharma, specialty chemical and man made fibers already. But the manufacturing is in capital intensive sectors, not labour intensive sectors. As the problems I previously mentioned are remedied low end labour manufacturing, which don't need patent or special tech, can happen in India. That will take care of the jobs issue.
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@engalipak " I will use 'instrumental in liberating Afghanistan'" - I am not sure where Pakistan gets this sense that everyone wants to get liberated and it falls upon Pakistan's shoulders to liberate them.
"Majority of Aghanis 90% + are happy for the part that the foreign occupations have ended " - I don't know what gives you this confidence but every Afghans I have talked to absolutely loathes Pakistan.
"Pakistan is a 3rd world country, yet it hosts Millions of Aghans and have suffered without complaining too much about it. " - Well, I don't think it can complain given it 'liberated' Afghanistan and it's the reason they are there.
"Yes I am a patriot, in fact need to be right now. Pakistani awam needs to be the most patriotic currently due to the issues we are in right now" - Good for you, and Pakistan! .. But I think, the kind of patriots, who carefully "choose" words to reaffirm Pakistan's delusions. Those 'magnificent delusions' have lead to the state Pakistan currently is in. A true Patriot would give Pakistan a does of reality, not ideology.
"There is no precedent on the planet currently where Muslims in West are demanding to close down pubs, demolish other faith related infrastructure, force to wear modest clothing" - Sharia Patrols from East Ham, London .. Say Hi!
"Almost all of them have moved past this view and feel embarrassed when they look back." - I am very matured, I have read the Qu'ran & Hadith and I have very smart people who have drawn the same conclusion as me. I would be embarrassed if I thought otherwise about Islam. I couldn't care less if friends of some random dude on internet are embarrassed or not.
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@zakirhussainkhokhar5127 " I think you dont know ur country India Well." - I know it very well, actually. You don't. If you took 2 hrs out of your preparation and read the annual budget of state and center, understood how fiscal deficits work, you wouldn't have unrealistic expectations.
"Every state in India doesnt have Bengaluru and Kolkata. " - Kolkata is a sh*thole. Looks like you don't know what you are talking about. No one has stopped you from going to bangalore btw. You don't need a passport/visa to go there. Btw, there is Mumbai, Gurgaon, Pune, Hyderabad and donzens of tier-II cities like Indore, Jaipur etc with jobs as well.
"I dont think there can be any comparison with the govt teacher job and a private tchr job in terms of rumenaration." - I think that's the problem. Govt. teachers get paid way more than they should. Which is why people run after those jobs.
"After all u hv to get married and make arrangements for your sister's marriages too. Some hv dreams of building their Pucca house. Its not about one man earning and then sleeping. Its about running families." - Everyone has responsibilities and dreams. The Maibaap sarkar attitude isn't going to help anyone.
Please answer this one question. How many jobs do you expect the govt. to provide?
Btw, I am happy to help in any way I can. Let me know your qualifications, what do you do now and how much do you expect to earn. I can't help you with govt. jobs though. I wouldn't do a govt. job even if someone offered it to me on a platter.
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@sikandersingh3145 Why would the govt. do that?? .. It's extremely stupid and self-serving demand. Why does someone think they are entitled to such protections in the first place, especially since no one else other than Punjab, harayana and some parts of Western UP get it???? No other item other than Wheat, Rice, Sugar and few others enjoy these provisions. This has lead to farmers producing more and more rice and wheat even though there is no market to buy it. That has lead to depletion of water levels, thanks to all the free electricity and water.
Why do farmers from Punjab get these assurances and sell paddy at Rs 1850, when farmers from other places in India sell it at Rs 1250??
If you can't understand that even after getting cheap inputs (like free water & electricity and subsidized fertilizer) and selling price which is 50% above market value, the unit economics is still not working out, then you need to diversity out of it, then nothing much can be done to help them.
By opposing the farm laws, the farmers have tightened the noose around their neck. So many people including SS Johal said it, but when people are so eager to kill themselves, no one can stop it from happening.
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@swapniln8904 " Interesting, but then why he cries 70 years , when the condition of india was bad after 1947? " - I don't know who you are talking about. But if you mean Modi, then I must say, I am not a BJP spokeperson and I can't answer why he says the things that he does. My guess would be to discredit anything and everything Congress has ever done. So, I am smart enough to know that the narrative that Congress hasn't done anything in 70 years is crap. But I don't think most Indians are. So some believe it and it makes for good politics. Similar games are played by the Congress against BJP btw.
"He would had made arrangements for travelling laborers." - Yes. Very Likely.
"built oxygen plant instead of 1300 crore home." - Hope you do know that Oxygen shortage is a logistics issue, not a financial one. Redirecting 1300 Crs into making "oxygen plant" (as if it can be done in a day or even a month), would have made zero difference to the accessible Oxygen supply that India has today. So, this is just an opposition narrative that doesn't hold much water as an argument, but sure does make for good politics.
Since you have diverted away from just talking about Covid into talking about economy, let me address that a bit.
"He would not had carried out demonetization, the most foolish move. " - I agree. Purely from the perspective of economics , It was a dumb move.
" GST would had good structure" - Congress had 10 year to implement it. They kept discussing it for "good structure". My guess would be, based on historical data, Congress would have discussed it some more for another 10 years but would never have been able to implement it, whether with good or bad structure. Getting all states to agree to let go of their tax collecting ability with many of those states having opposition in power is like solving a 30-dimensional Optimization problem. I don't respect people who don't appreciate that fact and rather read a few articles and jump to the conclusion that GST could have had a "better structure".
"Some good public sector companies he would had established." - That's a clear impossibility. The only companies which are good are the ones which are efficient. And no Public Sector company is efficient. Public sector companies should all be sold off irrespective of whether they are profit making or not, unless they are strategically important. Something that this govt. has dared to say. Every previous govt. did it, cause it's the right thing to do, but didn't talk about it, they said "disinvestment".
"He would had not done hindu muslim hatred." - This is very likely true. They would have promoted caste divisions. Since that helps their politics.
"He would not had sold airports, railways, etc to private players." - Who sold the Delhi Airport?? .. remind me again? .. More importantly it's so moronic that educated Indians talk of Airports and Railways being "sold" to private players, when what's happening is actually a revenue sharing agreement exactly like Spectrum auctions. Govt.s's recurring non-tax income increases with this. And every Airport which has been sold is run better than govt. run airports. That is a fact based by data.
Manmohan Singh govt. couldn't have brought in the extremely important Farm reforms and Labour reforms. They couldn't have privatised Public Sector Banks. Another extremely necessary step. They could have brought in the Mining reforms maybe. But nothing else.
So, NO. I don't think Manmohan Singh would have done better for economy, even though he is an economist himself. He didn't have the political backing needed to implement difficult reforms.
Now, please don't tell me economy grew faster when MMS was PM. Anyone who knows basic economics would know there is always a lag between the reform and economics. And Indian economy has been slowing down because the credit growth had collapsed, thanks to NPAs in the banks. IBC solved that issue. Guess which govt. brought that in.
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Maximum Max "well written sir." - Thanks
" india today is full of highly oversmart unwise people who simply know to question and dont have the brains to analyze the root cause of anything holistically" - And most of them are in a slumber until someone starts protesting. Then they wake up, take a min to decide which of the two parties "seems" like the victim, read a few news articles and jump to conclusions. Next thing you know is #ISupportFarmer trending everywhere.
"both UPA and NDA are effectively the same" - Exactly. Just like The Republic and The Wire are the same. It's just that, one is more polished than the other. And I actively avoid The Quint and Scroll. Those are very depressing. If someone keeps reading them, as many people do, you think that the country has gone to the Dogs, especially the Economy. Little so people know that Indian Economy is all set to scale new highs.
"the only parties that dont do this is the BJD, JDU, AIADMK and maybe AAP." - BJD doesn't do it cause, one, it's based around a linguistic identity and Muslims are only 2% of the state. Polarisation doesn't work. AAP doesn't do it cause in a small place like Delhi, where public is relatively better educated and financially sound, it's easy to sell the idea of good governance. As AAP expands, it's politics will change. And given that in future India is going to have a larger Urban population vs rural, AAP maybe become the party which is BJP lite and fights in Urban India. I don't know about the others.
AAP's stance on Farmer's protest was hilarious. Kejriwal implements Odd-Even and encourages people to not burst crackers on Diwali to control Delhi pollution but when Reforms are brought in that would stop stubble burning, the reason behind Delhi's pollution, he opposes it with the aim to win seats in upcoming Punjab election. He is Greta Thunberg Dwitiya. In every possible sense. :-D
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@amanshukla8758 "Well, I think the British obviously didn't assimilate into our culture, but we did take some cues from them, like representative parliamentary democracy (Westminster system), a liberal constitution, an organised police force and military force, cricket, football, hockey, tennis, badminton, English, allopathy, etc." - Which of these did they want you to have, is the more important question. Answer to that is none.
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@Cotswolds1913 " India was very divided before Britain took over." - India had been divided and unified many times before the British came to India. Mughals aren't the only example. There were empires before them that had unified India 1000 years before Mughals came. And India didn't transition from Mughals to the British. There was a 70 year rule of Maratha Empire in between. People seem to forget that.
"Would India have unified in an alternate timeline with no British control?? Idk, that's really hard to answer, I'd like to think it would have" - I don't think that hypothetical question can be answered without being biased. But given the advancement in communications, it's likely that someone would have unified India. Would India have looked exactly the same as today? - Probably not.
"but we I think can at least take some of the good that came out of our timeline, rather than just lament the bad." - No one is lamenting the bad. But what you are trying to do is push a cuddly narrative. It's telling an African-American, "well it's true that the British brought you to America and traded you as slaves but atleast you got democracy and a chance at achieving the American Dream. So, don't just lament the bad, appreciate that atleast some good came out of the time you were being tortured." or telling the Jews, "it's true you had to suffer the holocaust, but atleast you got a country of your own. So, don't lament the bad. Look at the bright side. Atleast appreciate that you got something good out of it." Highly insensitive and patronising.
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@AJ-uw9oe "The economy has been on a downwards trajectory for some years now." - The Economy has been on a downward trajectory for 6 Qtrs before Covid, but the reasons for the same was the twin balance sheet crisis and NPAs leading to fall in credit growth. The effect was seen after 2018, after having accelerated by demonetisation but the structural problems started long before that.
The fact is, people who have no clue about how the economy works always point to past economic performance to come to the conclusion that the future is going to be the same or even worse. That's most Indians, btw. That's why political parties lie to their faces without them having any idea.
"And no rebounding is going to happen next year." - That's just a plain stupid statement. Even with the 2nd wave, the growth for FY22 which was previously predicted to be 11% has now been revised to 9.5%. That's a rebound by every possible definition. India will be the only large economy to do that.
I don't care which political party is in power or which comes to power in future. The fact is, Indian Economy is at the cusp of a multi-year growth cycle, irrespective of the power at centre. It's going to happen no matter what, the only risk being Covid (which given the second wave should be taken care of). And then if NDA comes to power they are going to claim they did it because they rectified the economy and if UPA comes to power they will claim they magically did it as soon as they came to power. Fact is, it was going to happen anyway and both are fooling the citizens.
" India has still not managed to hit 10% of vaccination targets." - You seem to be in love with the past. Past isn't an indicator of the future. Doesn't matter what India has or hasn't managed to do, what matters is what India is going to do in the future. The constraint was in production and logistics, not in finance or administration of vaccines. Both those issues are almost solved. Vaccination numbers should drastically improve in the coming weeks. But there is still an uncertainty related to Covid in the future, whether or not India vaccinates all it's citizens or not.
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@nikhilspeaking You are right. I am an engineer. But, no prizes for guessing that. In a country like India, there are many engineers. For example, Raghuram Rajan is an engineer with no econ. education. I think I am doing fine with that respect.
As for "few bold moves", I don't know about you, but GST, IBC, privatisation of govt entities, like Air India and the banks, opening up the mining sector, privatising discoms, changing labour laws etc are pretty bold moves when it comes to economy.
I would love to know what should the Modi govt have done for you to say, they know what they are doing and aren't clueless.
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@nikhilspeaking "of course you dont need econ. education to comment on govt. policy, but you can look up whether you can get finance PhD without PhD econ. coursework at MIT. " - Well, if having an Master level econ. course is the bar, I am happy to say that I qualify.
"Banking, power, basic urban infra, railways have a lot of scope for reforms above and beyond paper. Passing reforms in parliament is not a difficult task for this government" - I would like if you be a little more specific. Pick, let's say, banking and tell me what reforms you would like the govt. to pass and once these are passed you would then NOT say "Modi doesn't have a clue". What's the ask?
But if this is the criteria for someone to choose between BJP and Congress, then don't you think the argument goes against Congress? .. Cause any objective person would know, Congress can't pass anything in the parliament. Manmohan Singh literally said this "I have done my best, given the constraints of coalition govt."
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@anjankoner1390 I guessed you would start asking these questions since you were so insistent on history. That's exactly why in my previous comments I said "I don't think that will help you though, your moronic brain won't be able to take perspective into account." And my assessment was right. You didn't disappoint.
Tell me, by your logic of "examples of history" , "White Males of Abrahamic faiths" are the most intelligent. Since Newton, Einstein, Lebniz, Rutherford, Bohr, Darwin etc discovered the most important scientific, political, economic and philosophical theories. Everyone else in the world is a moron.(Remember Mr. Moron, I am not saying this. This is what you are saying in a different context.)
And I am no "Feminist". I am just a rational human being. But I know what would be too hard for you to differentiate.
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@jmchng9662 " I sincerely doubt india can achieve what you bragged within 15 years." - I sincerely doubt you have much clue about the topic at hand. 15 year is a comfortable duration to achieve a space station and China's current per capita GDP. A 7%+ growth for the next decade is highly likely. That means achieving China's current per capita GDP in dollar terms 20 years (assuming Indian rupee doesn't strengthen, which it will. That's why I say 15 years).
"Companies are reluctant to invest in India for a wide variety of reasons. This includes tax terrorism, frequent change in regulations and sometimes with retrospective effect, poor physical infrastructure, very high turnaround time at Indian ports, poor labour productivity, inspector raj, etc, etc" - You seem to be living in 2010. Wake up and smell the coffee. Or not.
"cultural woes" - There are no cultural woes. The Chinese who are used to working in hierarchies like robots given instruction, think it's cultural woes cause they don't get it.
The stupidest argument that is always forwarded by the Chinese is that India's growth has to be an export led growth, especially since that's how China did it.
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@Rajeshrranu I wouldn't mind if you said it as long as that's how you feel rather than saying it to score a point on social media.
In my opinion, all govt. entities should be privatised, barring a few operating in sensitive areas, irrespective of whether it not they are profit making. GoI doesn't need to mine Coal, generate electricity, manufacture Steel etc. All it needs to do is to Govern. So, I would welcome privatisation efforts from any party in power. Govt. running a business is a huge burden on the citizens.
Similarly, I would also welcome the changes that have been made to the Farm Laws, Labour Laws etc. And I would welcome if similar changes are being made to Land Acquisition Act. If in the process, the party doing it favours certain business groups over others, I don't mind. It makes no difference to the process of privatisation. The citizenry at large gains from the process. And that's all that matters.
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@DineshTwanabasu "West is in decline man." - True. Quiet sometime before any other grouping comes even remotely close.
" It has greater gdp because it prints money." - No dude.🤣I can't believe that someone. Every country's Central bank can print money. No one has stopped them. printing money leads to only one thing: Inflation.
The West has the GDP that it does because of brands, innovation and knowledge produced from R&D. The West eats the lion share of value creation in every value chain. There only three OS on computers, two are owned by US companies and the third one's (Linux) enterprise edition is owned by Red Hat, again in the US. There are only two operating systems on phones, both owned by US companies. There are only two card payment facilitator that operate world wide, Visa and Mastercard, both US companies. The entire Social media (except Tiktok), advertising, search etc are all US companies. If someone wants to buy planes, there are only two companies: Airbus & Boeing, both in the west. US owns the GPS. There are tons of other examples.
You don't understand what the West is and the power it wields.
"once they find out alternate currency to trade with" - That isn't going to happen anytime soon. All the talks of Brics getting a new currency is also BS. If countries could ditch dollar so easily they would have. They will eventually but dollar is going to remain the dominant currency of trade for couple of decades. You might want to find out, if China is a 18T USD Economy, why do countries not have yuan as a reserve currency in any meaningful way.
Sry for the long reply.But that small comment had a lot of things that needed to be answered.
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@AnuragKumar-mn7zu " It has been almost 73 years since independence and still election after election politicians promise the same thing - remove poverty, elevate the lower class, provide clean drinking water, provide electricity.And when you hold them accountable they'll say - Bhaiya ye to jumla hai election jeetne ke liye." - That's accurate. Cause the general public, even educated people like you don't understand that these are all symptoms of structural problems which can't be solved overnight. People don't understand how difficult it is to implement policy changes. So, what do you do? .. You tell people what they want to hear and keep working towards the solution.
The best example in recent time is the opposition to Farm Reforms. Everyone wants Farm incomes to increase, farmer suicides to stop but no one wants Economic reforms which will make that happen.
Having said that, India has pulled 200 million people out of poverty, India has it's electricity generation and distribution capacity and it reaches very high percentage of citizens today. Clean water from taps, is being worked on, has made great progress.
Imagine your own life 20 years back and today. You will see the difference. That didn't come because the politicians didn't work. They did, along with many other stake holders, to make it happen.
You lack appreciation cause you lack understanding of the scale of the problem and the tools you have to solve it.
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@AnuragKumar-mn7zu
"Take for example "government exams".What does it take to make it fair and timely? Why has no government achieved it? Because these political goons are greedy, they don't want to pay salary. So many posts of judges are pending. If you are talking in mass numbers.. See how TCS,Infosys,Wipro employs and delivers result , in total they employ almost 10 lakh employees." - Why would someone compare for-profit organisations who are incentivised to be efficient with Bureaucracies which aren't? ..Btw, politicians have jackshit to do with Govt. Exams. Also, if you use the same argument to privatise PSUs, public always pushes back.
"Inflation is all time high" - Which Weed are you smoking, son? .. Inflation has been 4% on an average for years now. Please don't talk about inflation in short term. that's like measuring someone's heartrate after then have run a sprint and saying the heartrate must always be 120 bpm.
"We have now maximum unemployment rate in the history of this country." - Thanks to collapsing Credit growth and FRBM Act requiring to maintain a fiscal deficit percentage. But why would you care to know about that?? .. As long as you can rant and it makes to look "woke", does it really matter if you understand the problem?,, right?
Can't help someone who can't see any change in India over last 20 years. Economists won't be able to stop laughing at someone like that. Don't throw-up random stats when you don't really understand how they work.
"It is the lack of will of these politicians to do anything substantial. " - no. It's the inability of citizens to understand what substantial means and how it can be achieved. Ranting doesn't achieve much, that's for sure.
"In Human Development Index India ranks 131 out of 200 counties. " - Make comparisons. Not absolute statements. What was India's HDI before? And India is a vast country with HDI varying drastically.
"Raise your voice,ask the politicians to implement everything mentioned in their manifesto,if they can't then it should not be promised" - Congress promised the same farm reforms today that it promised in it's 2019 Manifesto and the citizens love it. What does that say about the citizens of India?
""Since last 73 years we voted for caste/religion" - Jokes on us, the citizens. Politicians are reflection of the citizenry at large.
"Most of these scums are even less literate compared to a watchman." - They don't need to be educated. They are public representatives, their job is consensus building.
"More than 35% of politicans have heinous crime under their belt. 70% of them have been convicted." - That's why India needs political Reforms.
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@sreekr Well, Firstly the comparison was with US and China in military capabilities. Whether or not Chinese citizens will have better lives and whether India will be able to provide decent health care to it's citizens wasn't the topic of discussion.
About US worries, advances in software (like AI) can easily be achieved. Hardware is where research takes time. And when US says it's not ready to compete, it means in China's back yard. The South China Sea, not even the second island chain, let alone the third Island Chain.
But having said that, your understanding of Economics seems patchy. You seem to believe China is going to achieve all these great things while India can't. Sure, Chinese citizens will have decent lifestyles but so will Indian Citizens. China's economy needs domestic consumption to increase to be able to sustain it's Economic growth because it's export led growth has reached its limits and is only going to reduce from here on out. Not only is it's demographic collapsing but also the current generation don't spend much cause there is no social security. So, China being able to depend on it's own economy for consumption is really doubtful. India, on the other hand, has been a consumption led economy from the very start. India's growth is more sustainable. India will keep growing much after 2050, as well, while China's growth will most likely slowdown.
What is China going to do when CCP's legitimacy doesn't come from economic growth as before?.. What will China do to service the huge debt it has amassed to boost it's economy leading to creation of Ghost Cities and infra which no one uses ?? .. What if EU & US diversify out of China, what will China do with it's over capacity? These are some questions which show the problems with the Chinese Economy and it's future prospects of growth.
People rarely realise India is exactly where China was 15 years back and will be exactly where China is today 15 years from now. It will take, however, take a huge political will to implement Economic reforms regularly. If the right reforms are attempted, then it's quiet likely that India will surpass China as world's largest Economy sometime in the next 30 years.
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@tat3179 I hate to break it to you, but China is nowhere close to being a military superpower. There is only one military superpower and that is USA. The difference between the two is so large that with all it's military build up, China will only be able to catch up to US sometime after 2050. That is the truth.
As for being a economic global power, there is no denying that. But China has overcapacity in production as it produces for the world, not for it's own consumption, which is at most 2 Trillion Dollar in size as compared to 12 Trillion Dollar for US and Europe each(I am talking about the market size, not economy). One needs to ask, what happens if US and Europe find an alternative to China? .. Who is China going to sell to then?
And as for "ganging up" on China, China brought it on itself but claiming everything by coming up with a lame logic of "it has been a part of china since ancient times". And India is looking after it's own interest by making sure it has enough to deter China (which it can even now), with spending as little on military as possible. So, it's finding allies which can help it do the same.
If you say India doesn't matter for China, then that makes me comfortable. Ignore India. That makes our life easier. India doesn't want to get into any military conflict unless absolutely necessary.
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