Comments by "Daniel Bradford" (@Falconlibrary) on "Real Estate Mindset"
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I'm seeing price cuts of 5%-10% for houses that are priced 200%-300% more than they sold for in 2018-19.
Example:
$210,000 house
Reduced to $199,000
Seller bought it for $89,000 in 2019, has made no significant improvements (foundation, roof, plumbing, electrical) but painted everything gray, just like Chip and Joanna Gaines said they should.
So I'm supposed to feel lucky that I get a house that's 223% higher than it was 2.5 years ago why? Nice little profit for the flippers, but I don't see how we can get sellers to cut prices by 50% absent a very long and very deep recession on the scale fo 2008-2012. Because I refuse to pay more than $99,000 for a house that was $89,000 2.5 years ago--and that's 11% more than the seller paid for it, annualized increase of 4.4%, which is generous. They might break even on the deal or a lose a bit of money. Not my problem that they gambled on selling at the height of the biggest speculative bubble in history and their timing was bad. Ponzi schemes always burn somebody. It's not going to be me.
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I wish a collapse in housing prices was coming, because I'd love to buy a house of my own, but it's not going to happen.
Here's why:
1. All-cash investors are going to scoop up any and all decent houses. Quick closing, no contingency issues with financing, they'll even pay over asking. The investors can afford to rent out a house at a loss or sit on a vacant property for years before showing a profit from it.
2. There are millions of houses--the estimate is 16 million but it may be as many as 40 million--vacant in the US. They're deliberately being held off-market to create an artificial shortage. The institutions doing this have literally bet trillions in maintaining that shortage indefinitely, and they sure as hell aren't going to let inflation, recession, or even another Great Depression screw with their business model. The economics of institutional investors who can tap cash reserves of hundred of billions is beyond the comprehension of most of us, and the normal "supply and demand" rules do not apply.
3. If the federal government sees any big investors in trouble, they will rush to bail them out with as much money as it takes. These investors literally can't lose. They cut our elected representatives in on the deal (Nancy Pelosi's husband Paul is a huge player in real estate speculation, to take one prominent example) and in turn, our representatives make sure that they and their patrons' interests are protected.
Feel free to argue with me. I wish that none of the above was true, but I can't ignore the evidence in front of me.\
tldr; we're all doomed
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I don't have any special insights nor will I make any predictions. Just an observation and some questions.
I've been looking at houses in a rural area of Missouri (between Springfield and Branson).
The houses sold for $40,000-$60,000 in 2019.
The same houses, without improvements or remodeling, are now listed at $120,000-$200,000 (3x-4x the purchase price of three years ago).
The houses are still selling at these inflated prices, and selling slightly above listing price.
So were they vastly undervalued in 2019, or vastly overvalued now?
There are no good-paying jobs in that area. A "good job" would be $10-$12 an hour.
The realtors tell me that the primary purchasers of these houses are all-cash investors.
They also tell me that the investors are not renting out the houses, but are keeping them vacant, and local meth-heads breaking into the vacant houses is a major problem in the area, so much so that after the houses are sold, they're being boarded up to make entry more difficult (and that is blighting neighborhoods). Since this has reduced the available houses for sale/rent, rents are skyrocketing in the area.
I don't see the end game for this, really. Buying a house and just letting it sit there must have some purpose, else why do it? To drive up rents for other properties (seems like a rather expensive way to do that). Laundering money? Some sort of tax reduction strategy? Where does this lead?
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