Comments by "Titanium Rain" (@ChucksSEADnDEAD) on "Stossel: The Paid Leave Fairy Tale" video.

No wonder nothing ever gets done lol
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@GodsAutobiography doesn't matter, the company still assumes the risk
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A maternity leave program will either have to be imposed on the employer, which means lower wages or higher prices, or paid for by taxpayers which means higher taxes. You're back to square one. If people are poorer you tax less, and if the program is state funded the extra taxes go towards paying the paid leave so the state isn't getting more tax income for the rest of its budget.
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@ChrisClarkPlays paid leave punishes others, lmao
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@Krishan Madan "it's not cruel to enforce obligations that everyone has to ensure that birthrates keep up" - that's not a thing
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lmao so you create a hiring risk for young men as well.
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How does it suck? It's against libertarian principles for the state to say "nah that contract needs maternity leave" and force a business to take that risk in employing women.
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So you're going to have babies just to spend time at home while getting paid for it?
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Taxing generational wealth is a net gain for the ultra rich because it breaks up family businesses. They lose money, but squash the competition.
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@GodsAutobiography "thinking about others" if you're thinking about others why not take the costs of paid leave out of your pocket? Suddenly you won't be thinking of others no more...
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"the F-35 was a massive failure of a government program which is why we should have a government program for maternity leave" - do you see the irony?
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>"workers of the world unite!" >workers don't do shit except ask for more government You people would be taken a lot more seriously if you actually lived according to your principles rather than constantly asking for government handouts.
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How is it bizzare? Pretty much every investigation on the issue finds that motherhood, through paid leave and often exiting the workforce entirely, is obe of the main hurdles for women.
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@Hans the high employment rate of women in Germany is maintained by low quality jobs and temp work. Another factor is that many men have jobs in the industrial sector, which crashed harder than the services sector. So if you need a services job you'll still hire a woman qualified for it rather than a man who has to be retrained.
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@GodsAutobiography the reasons why one would leave are irrelevant. Just like a bank doesn't care why would you not be able to repay a loan. What matters is the loss. But there's several reasons like being unable to afford babysitters or lack of kindergartens. A mother might stay at home out of necessity, why go to work if the money goes towards paying someone else to raise your child, etc.
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@Hans nice deflection. The point is how misuse of statistics can be used to portray the German government in a good light. If female unemployment is buried under "mini jobs" then we don't get a clear picture of how maternity leave affects employment. "the unemployment rate would be higher in Germany due to man not being employed in service sector, which isn't the case" - male unemployment is higher than female unemployment in Germany "The industrial base of Germany is also much stronger than in America" - irrelevant, this isn't a comparison. Again, you're deflecting. Male-dominated field lost >200,000 jobs while a female-dominated one gained almost 50,000. We could look into college graduations and check if women are also more successful in academia. There's a myriad of factors why women could be affected by paid maternity leave but the effects are buried under other conditions that punish men harder than maternity leave punishes women.
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@Hans you keep comparing the US which is a sign of deflection. You're not willing to discuss what happened in petri dish X so you compare to petri dish Y, even though that dish is a different experiment with different conditions. I also didn't say high female employment is due to male unemployment. I said there are factors why unemployment since the last economic crisis has affected the genders differently.
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"richest country" - 23 trillion in debt
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Private citizens and businesses could pool their money and contract a construction company to make the damned roads.
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@GodsAutobiography so employers are going to ignore the risk of both male and female employees simply dipping out of work, forcing you to pay for their leave and to retrain a replacement? If they're ignoring the hiring risk, then they're going to increase the prices.
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@GodsAutobiography so free money fell out of the air?
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@Saeronor "Hell, given how men have no issue fathering a kid or two while looking like Bernie Sanders" - the people who look like Bernie Sanders and have a woman young enough to make babies with have no money problems "If you spread the risk employers can't cherry-pick effectively" - so everyone becomes a risk, which is exactly my point. Either everyone gets paid less, or products cost more. "Children that are being taken care of and form a bond with their parents are less likely to be a burden on society" - this doesn't happen within 12 weeks. That argument works if we were discussing about 5 years of paid leave, not 12 weeks.
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@Saeronor "average elderly men can easily have kids" - it's not easy. It's sort of a myth that men can just pump it and make babies. While women progressively increase risks as they age and eventually reach menopause, as men get older they also lose fertility. Yeah they can father children - it's also not "easy". "I imagine this is also why life in Europe consists of higher prices and tiny paychecks. Not to mention costs are split with social security. Amazing how paying for it can result in ability to benefit." - yeah I certainly enjoyed working for less than 3€ per hour and then out of that little money I earned having 11% taxed out of my paycheck. It's really great when your """free""" college that my parents paid taxes for has tuition costs, I'm also studying maths every time I think about how it would be easier to pay my tuition with those extra 11%. "Businesses survived just fine" - there's serious chances that when I get my degree (just one more semester...) I won't be able to find a job in my country because our industry is fucked, and it was deliberately fucked over by the EU so that the businesses in Germany, France, etc could survive. So rather than buying stuff made in our country we have to keep buying French and German! Hooray! The kicker is, we're having problems with the fucking birthrates too. Don't worry, we're preserving the "longevity of society" with immigration so we don't even have to worry about kids. The government is going to outsource that shit too! There's nothing to worry about! "it's up to millions and millions of people to decide how much of their life an employer is entitled to" - that's not how it works. If businesses are forced to take a loss they'll just pay less. You'll get exactly the same as if you just worked normally, saved up to have a child and took a normal leave. But our little primitive monkey brain is terrible at this shit so we don't save as much money as we should, and if given the exact same sum of money but taken from our paycheck and given back throughout our leave we'll think we're getting more bang for the buck even though the amount of money is the same. It's that or raise prices and risk less consumption. Sales tax in the twenties isn't helping either.
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@Saeronor we don't use the public healthcare system in my family anyway (military benefits, paid for by the lower income one gets by working for the government rather than private sector) "other people going through college" - which they also paid for, thanks for missing the point. "Even if it really is true in its most absurd form (the obligatory purchases part)" - way to miss the point, it's not a matter of signing a contract and being legally obligated to buy from X, Y or Z. It's a matter of a complex web of regulations, benefits and other small things that push the buttons and pull the levers of the market in order to benefit some types of industry over the others. What ends up happening is that fishing is better in one place, agriculture is better in other, industry is better over there, etc. The worst part is when foreign investment buys up the industry when the EU is trying to promote it by giving freebies and they profit massively. When the welfare runs out, and after they have crushed the competition, they pack up and leave for other country where the EU is giving handouts. We're chasing the problem rather than recognizing that this "free" market where the only freedom is in the flow of capital is crushing the smaller countries. "they could use it to fund tax breaks" - you don't fund a tax break. "Perhaps... it's something about job security or other wonderful perks of shitty "pro-business" short - term legislation, which empowers all kinds of dicking?" - I thought the grass was greener on the other side. "if it affects every business equally and they all do it, then they are going to cut into their own profits, because how exactly a massive population is going to keep up their own spending if their bosses cut everything?" - that would happen in a world where business is a hivemind. It's more of a contest of who blinks first. I'm fairly sure that a business forced to carry the risk of paying someone for no work while having to retrain replacements will not dig into their razor thin profit margins. In the end CEO Joe Schmoe will laugh all the way to the bank as he gives up a couple of billions but completely crushes all the small and medium businesses.
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Just a month ago Reason interviewed the director of Combat Obscura, an anti-war documentary. You can perform searches inside a youtube channel, did you know?
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No, they aren't. If you are forced to take the risk of employing future mothers costing you money, you simply deduct the costs from all workers, male and female. All the money the women get from paid leave came from their paycheck and their male coworkervs paychecks. No discrimination.
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@Social Enigma this would damage small businesses much more than the "corporate elites". Most businesses operate on thin margins and increasing risk is not sustainable. Do you also think banks should be forced by the government to give out loans to people who have a higher risk of not paying?
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