Comments by "Titanium Rain" (@ChucksSEADnDEAD) on "3 Reasons to NOT Fight ISIS" video.

SweetLiberty01 So you're going to send US troops to wherever a US citizen is killed? Imagine if Australia did that when that Australian sportsman got shot by US teens.Plus, the response to US citizens dying is sending more US citizens to the meat grinder?
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>they are well funded Because the US funded and armed people willing to fight against Assad. It was US intervention that lead to ISIS existing in the first place. >their ambitions are huge and they are crazy enough to at least try them So were the guys who tried to build flying cars a hundred years ago. Let them get themselves killed trying to pursue their dreams. >If they are not stopped now they will grow to be unmanageble sooner than anyone thinks The Kurds are kicking their collective asses. Even if what you said was true, what legitimizes US action? Why not any other country? Why not the countries around it? Name one reason why it's the US's problem to solve. >Lets not forget that they also have a lot of supporters in the west, happily willing to commit atrocities by their own when given the signal. Remember when we lost most of our freedoms when we said the same thing about the Communists, the Jihadists (PATRIOT Act? NDAA?), etc?
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Boat If the NSA, FBI, CIA and the TSA let an ISIS operative blow up my building, how the hell would they stop that by sending troops to Syria? If a bunch of college educated analysts, hackers and agents with years of service under their belt couldn't stop ISIS from bombing US soil how are some kids trying to get their GI Bill solve the issue of homegrown terrorists? >"non-logical pacifism." I'm not a pacifist. But I abide by moral standards and the non-aggression principle. If I saw you wearing a balaclava and creeping into my house I'd probably shoot you for fear of losing life or limb. But I'm not going to your house and shoot you there because you "might" invade my home and kill me.
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Boat >"Sure, there's the chance of a hydra but then you cut that head off too" Perfect analogy. We'll spend the rest of the millennium cutting off heads. >"Destroy the caliph and the rest will cower" And go underground so you can't find it to hit America with homegrown terrorists. Don't destroy anything, and they can't use your actions to justify retaliation. >"If someone threatened to murder your from another house and you knew who they were, that's called a clear and present danger." If I kill them, I get charged with murder you idiot. >"You have the right to have the authorities take out that threat" Actually the police will tell you they can't do anything until you're attacked but they will investigate. Which is code for "don't hold your breath". The analogy isn't calling the police because the world has no police. It's sending men with guns to murder EVERYONE who lives in that house. Guilty of threats or not. >"Yeah...you're a pacifist, no matter how you try to spin it." Pacifists can't use violence. I'm a firearms enthusiast, I support the right to own and carry weapons, Castle Doctrine and Stand Your Ground. The NAP, in the Anarcho-Captalist sense, doesn't cover violence used in self-defense because it's not violence - it's common sense. So how the fuck am I a pacifist if even though I shall never take pleasure in killing, I'd still sleep like a baby if I shot you if you broke into my house?
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Boat >"These people do not join ISIS because of America" And where the fuck did I say they are joining solely because of America? What's your major malfunction? >"They are even recruiting Americans today" Americans who certainly love America, right? No, they're recruiting the disfranchised, those we were let down and those who would have no issue turning against America. Whenever America kills people, you're proving their wacko theories right. Their extremist leaders told them that the US murders people and you want the US to give them exactly what they want - recruitment material. >"despite us not being in Syria and out of Iraq" Oh, wow. 1. Syria is important because they don't want Assad and they hate people of his ethnic group but at the same time they do not want the Qatar funded rebels taking it. If the rebels take Syria, Europe will be able to buy natural gas from Qatar by pipeline through Turkey and stop giving money to Putin. The US has a vested interest in eliminating The US "is" in Syria because they tried to fund and arm "moderate" rebels and turns out they're fucking ISIS. Again, intervention. 2. The US has been in Iraq for almost a decade. I'm sure they still hold a grudge. >"pacifism" 0/10 Buy me gun and plane ticket and I'd gladly fight for Kurdistan. The problem is that a) the US has no legitimate right to invade Iraq or pretend to be the world's police; b) my own opinions about ISIS doesn't mean I have the right to force other people to go die in a foreign country; c) why are you so itchy about sending Americans to die? You wish for American youth to get killed. Why are you so anti-American?
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Octavian Augustus >"Oil money is what is funding the terrorist groups." Oil and natural gas were always the reasons the US has funded terrorism. The guns and money were only a drop in the bucket? Of course. US allies in the Middle East love getting rid of competing sources of natural resources by promoting instability where they want it and funding fundamentalists who can oppress their way out of instability when they want to build pipelines and shit. It's the oil money - because of the Petrodollar. It's US intervention anyway. >"Mosques - funded by oil money - are expanding their influence throughout the world and are churning out mindless cannon fodder at alarming rates." Sorry, but a lot of the people who converged into Syria and Iraq were recruited by the internet. A lot of the guys doing the conversion work are not even credible among religious groups. Which is why ISIS is forcing their views onto the mosques of the cities they capture and kill dissidents. You can't pin this on mosques the same way you can't pin the Crusades on churches. >"We need to stop doing business" I agree. We shouldn't be doing business with people who violate human rights while condemning those who do the same things but won't sell us oil. I mostly agree with your message, but you're aiming more batteries at Islam than the US's foreign policy.
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Octavian Augustus >"the followers of Islam are guilty of mass murder and of supporting mass murder" Stopped reading.
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JC545X39 >"If we would stop trying to impress the world and look good and justified" You guys haven't tried really hard. You do realize half of the world still thinks the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq should have been ruled as illegal, right? The US doesn't look good or justified and that's exactly why these wars have to stop. People around the world aren't exactly happy about a Nobel peace prize recipient drone striking innocent children. >"just go and do what needs to be done and go home, we wouldn't have this problem" You can't. Once you get involved is like stepping into quicksand. You kill a few people. Then what? ISIS grows back or a new splinter group is formed. You guys were in Iraq for almost a decade and look at what happened. If you spend a month in there and leave, you really think it's going to change and you won't have to go back again? >"The rest of the world is always going to hate us or dislike us because they are jealous, so we might as well stop trying to gain their approval with out spineless ROE." Dude. Stop living under a rock. We don't hate the US. The problem is that you guys send your young, your future, to get their legs blown off in a country they shouldn't be in the first place. We DON'T hate the US. We hate the fact that for every terrorist you guys kill with drones, 49 innocent civilians have to die. We're not jealous. We don't care about your ROE because no matter what you will kill civilians - and every civilian you kill leaves a dozen relatives who will want to join ISIS to avenge their deaths
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JC545X39 I know what you mean. It's not going to work and it's definitely not a long term solution. Whatever you think you will "end" by going in and out will start happening the minute your boots leave that ground. >"Oh, and for the record, pretty much everybody here with half a backbone left and a couple of brain cells to rub together for friction just about died when they named that Joke a Nobel Peace Prize winner just for getting elected." I know. But the point is that you're missing the reasons people outside the US judge their military action abroad. It's not the ROEs. Independently of the ROE you will kill a shit ton of civilians. It's war, any country would shell innocent women and children. The point is, it's military action abroad. That's our problem. The way you do it is an argument for the hippies who actually care. Most people in Europe, etc have bigger problems in their lives. They can't bother to hate another country with the passion you describe. I just called you out because your speech seemed a little pathetic and borderline nationalist. It's like those people who think all of their detractors are "haters" and they're all like "hurr I love having haters". That's 7th grade shit. Boat >"Disenfranchised?" My god, you are just making up your own story now. No, the Free Syrian Army is not ISIS. I was talking about homegrown terrorists in US soil. You know, that thing that just a few posts ago was terrifying you? How you managed to go from homegrown terrorists to convincing yourself that I was talking about the FSA even though I never mentioned them will forever remain a mystery. >"their goal is to end western civilization and replace it with an Islamic caliphate." And until they try we have no reason to intervene. Let them try. >"Therefore, we do have a legitimate right to go into Iraq and clean up the garbage." Me saying that I'm going to cut your neck and shit down your throat does not give you the right to break into my house and kill me. I'd have to confront you with a knife for my threat to become credible. >"Assad would probably even love for us to go into Syria too if we have to." No, because Assad is on Putin's side. If the US enters Syria, Qatar will be able to complete their pipeline and Europe won't need Putin's natural gas. >"All my active, reserved, and even discharged friends all have said they'd more than happily go back to take these bastards out." Then why haven't they bought a plane ticket and gone? Oh wait, because it's better to send others. Look, I also know plenty of people in the military, not just in my country but also in the US. Basic is designed to give you morning wood for combat. Even if you're a POG. If you didn't get it, morning wood is caused by a filled bladder and not arousal. Those kids don't know what combat is, so obviously they're willing to take part in it. Even though 22 veterans kill themselves every day, which clearly shows how good it is to send people into foreign countries to fight. Heck, there's probably people willing to sell themsleves into slavery. If you think it's your patriotic duty, I don't think it's immoral to go. I think it's immoral for a GOVERNMENT to have some old people making deadly decisions, charging the taxpayer to do it and then sit on their comfortable chairs because they know they'll never have to fight that war. >"maybe even worse considering Dems and Repubs agree on attacking ISIS Maybe because Dems and Repubs are both shitstains. Do you think the Founding Fathers would have approved of the current state of affairs? Political parties controlling public opinion, foreign intervention? >"When ISIS does toss an airliner into a skyscraper or drops a dirty bomb in the middle of a shopping mall, I want you to think long and hard about your defending their sorry asses." You know that dirty bombs are ridiculously easy to clean, right? Thanks for proving you've been brainwashed into fearing something that can't kill more than a regular bomb. Wasn't the biggest bomb massacre in the US caused by a "patriot" in a militia? I won't think long about it. It was you guys who funded and trained the "moderate" rebels who would then become ISIS. It will be the US government with innocent blood on their hands. In fact, you're probably itching for that blood to be spilled because it would justify the invasion.
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Israel doesn't need the US, the US actually causes a bigger shitstorm in the Middle East by being present. US politicians say Israel is the only place with stability over there, truth is that they actually want Israel to be their "controlled chaos" to justify military presence and the rivers of money diverted into Israel's military industrial complex.
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Iammram "for no reason" Look, the B-29 won the war against Japan. It wasn't the nuke, it was the plane that delivered it. It was fast, large and it flew high. Japan didn't stand a chance. The bombing campaigns in Japan killed hundreds of thousands before the nukes did. To claim that the nukes were dropped with no reason when the tool that ended the war was used to kill just as many in vicious bombings of civilians with just some strategic important makes no sense.
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Boat >"I wouldn't say we lost the war in Iraq and we haven't really lost the war on terror in Afghanistan either." That's some A+ grade trolling. I also want to get a job as a government shill online, my dream is to get paid to shitpost as hard as you just did.
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Boat >"We didn't lose the war in Iraq. By all means, we won. The problem was that we pulled out a reserve troops before the Generals said we should, thanks to Obama's political eagerness to do so" If it required the US to stay there indefinitely then it was because the US didn't win. >"It's exactly what happened in Vietnam; but I'm sure you think we lost that war too." Saigon fell. I don't know what kind of BS revisionist history you've been reading, but if you pull out without accomplishing your objectives you lost. To quote Game of Thrones, it's perfectly possible to lose a war without losing a single battle. >"You are the product of years of miseducation and liberal indoctrination" >calling me a liberal And this is why you lost. You can't see past military victory so you're grasping at straws.
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