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Comments by "Titanium Rain" (@ChucksSEADnDEAD) on "Why communism failed" video.
@WSmith_1984 How am I being disingenuous? If you have a system that's inherently revolutionary, and calls for the abolishment of capitalism, at least have a plan to exist without capitalism. If you claim you want to abolish capitalism and you violently repress people from the former economy, how can you expect to come with your hands out and beg for support? If your plan needs the help of capitalists, you have failed before you started. You created your own economic system. Use it. Don't beg for help from the people you demonized. What fair crack at the whip? What socialist nations gave people a fair crack at the whip? Money is simply a token of exchange. Oh, and socialist nation leaders didn't glorify and worship their own wealth? Did they not control supply? Did they not force people to work to the bone for little pay? Human time has value, and socialism is the most efficient way to waste it.
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"Akchutally it wasn't real communism!"
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Communism doesn't "work" even under the Dunbar limit. Communism doesn't even work in a household, usually who brings home the bacon makes the rules.
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@WSmith_1984 If a socialist country has the communist party in charge, how can being hindered from trade affect them? Communists have all the theories, they can figure it out. They know how to survive without capitalism, why would they want to have access to it?
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@WSmith_1984 I know the difference between socialism and communism. The fact of the matter is that communists always failing to deliver on their promises does not hinder my argument. Socialism is a transitional state where the communist party is in charge. In the USSR, who was in charge? The Communist Party of each nation. What was the USSR? A union of Soviet Socialist Republics. So who cares? The people in charge should know about failure points rather than expect cooperation from the people they declared war on. There are no countries with a democratic socialist system. Social democracies are capitalist countries. Are you actually bringing up 2015/2016 talking points to this conversation and purposefully misleading people into believing that democratic socialism exists? The proof is in the pudding - there's many countries without the issues you mentioned, and they're not socialist. So yes, thanks for proving yourself wrong.
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@WSmith_1984 My point is very clearly a response to yours, it's you who's kind of being vague.
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@gcod3d161 "especially if things are made to have a short lifetime and be unrepairable/ not modular because capitalist companies will make more money that way" - There is a reason for it. Most technology develops fast enough that a new model comes out every year, and the consumer demands it. Outside of things like DRM and proprietary software, most of the fragility and unrepairable nature are a result of market demands. If the market demanded modular phones that could last a decade, companies would provide. Can 10 year old phones in mint condition even run modern apps? But no, the market demands thin phones with big screens, and at "acceptable" prices. If a company came out with a phone that they guaranteed would last 6 years and was twice the thickness for twice the cost of a model of the same range, people would riot. "at least the workers making those decisions would be the same people that have to deal with the repercussions of their harmful business decisions in their local environment, making that kind of corruption less viable" - Far too optimistic. What repercussions?
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@Pyasa.shaitan "look at American sanctions on South America" - This is ridiculous. Amazing how the people who blame capitalism complain about being shut out of capitalist trade. "If you think hardwork will turn you into a billionaire" - This is a strawman argument. "Meanwhile two backward countries like Russia and china got rich & productive in less time than USA and Japan" - Yes and after the first minute mile was achieved, more people managed to do it. You always do things faster when someone else laid the blueprint. Also, the Soviet Union's grain requisitions was their way of financing their purchase of foreign made machines so they could get rich and productive.
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@Pyasa.shaitan Who said anything about billionaires? I never defended multi-billionaires. You're punching air. See how you changed subject to liberation of women? Free education? Industrialists came up with that one. Make the government pay for the training of future factory workers. Inequality was not abolished anywhere on this planet.
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@Pyasa.shaitan Don't know what those countries have to do with anything but thanks for admitting it.
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@WSmith_1984 What does social democracy have to do with socialism/communism?
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