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  57. Ayanle Farah I know what you meant, my point was that there are too many factors to keep track of. It's not a wage at that point, it has so much oversight and control by the government it's welfare. Hence "wild goose chase" - a perpetual game of catching up. >"The minimum wage of $1.60 an hour in 1968 would be $10.90 today when adjusted for inflation according to the Bureau of Labor" And mid-60's to mid-70's was a period of great economic expansion (above 4% GDP growth, with 67 or 68 achieving 5% growth) while the last few years were kind of shitty. You're literally comparing a golden age to a post-crisis period. >"But not trying to do anything and staying with the status quo doesn't seem like an appealing alternative to me at all." So it's the "we gotta do something" fallacy all over again, fuck what's being actually done, or the rationale behind it, or the results. It's just doing that matters. My point is that the idea has to make sense, when we can't even define what the living wage even is! Challenging the status quo? Please, your hypothetical single mother working at Target is going to climb the corporate ladder (not the economic one) as a result of getting a few extra bucks/hour? How the hell will it challenge status quo? Millionaires who employ small numbers of workers are for minimum wage hikes - they pay their experienced and qualified workers more already so they don't get affected, while their competition that relied on minimum wage workers is forced to either cut personnel or raise prices which makes them lose market share. I'm not sure sure of what the store is because I'm not American, but they're like wholesalers and most of their workers are highly qualified because they need to operate forklifts, etc and they'd love to see the Walmarts and Targets dying. If anything it reinforces the status quo, it puts experience and qualifications on a pedestal, the older people keep their jobs by pricing the younger workers out of the line of work. >"You use a lot of loaded words such as charity and welfare. People are still putting in work since it's hourly pay." What for? It would actually be easier to just pay everyone a livable wage. Minimum wage jobs would be unpaid and every other job would get a pay cut - ie if a doctor is making 50 bucks an hour and the livable wage is 15, he now gets paid 35 because he's getting 15 from the government. That's what I'm getting at when calling it welfare. It's a system, and a government controlled one at that, rather than spontaneous trade relations between employer and employee. Your worldview is kind of simplistic, isn't it? If they're working 7 bucks worth of labour per hour and getting 10, those three extra bucks are charity. Just putting in the work doesn't automatically make every cent worth it. Example: I never got any money for doing chores but there's families that do that. Those kids get more money than their labour was worth - it's their allowance and whatnot. Making a bed, washing some dishes and putting the clothes on the drier can be considered "putting in the work" but the reward for it is greater than the value of the labour. Just because there was work involved doesn't mean every cent was deserved.
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  59. +Jay West I don't see how capitalism "requires" open borders. If the borders are controlled to verify who is getting in and limiting visas, people are prevented from entering willy nilly but the businesses can 1) use visas to coerce foreigners into working for less than nationals (corporations like Intel bring Indian engineers to work for them for half the price of an American one, and they can't complain or their visa expires and they're legally required to go back); 2) outsource labour. In theory a perfectly capitalist aka completely free market would happen in a place freedom of travel is least infringed on. But it's not strickly necessary. The problem with your argument is that it exposes socialism to the "socialism always runs out of other people's money" meme. Socialism can't work because everyone will try to get it and benefit from it without giving back? Why is that concept true to people coming in externally, but not true to the natives to that country? A lot of people will exploit the system and not give anything back internally. But somehow immigration will be the problem? I mean the whole point of socialism is dismantling profits and private property. If socialism works so great, it should be able to deal with an influx of people from all over the world. Socialists claim that their planning allocates resources better than capitalism. No matter how many come in everyone will have jobs, houses, etc. What gives? It is xenophobia. Because the "common sense" argument essentially defeats socialism at the theoretical level.
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  116. ​ @Tombee2  that's not the definition of socialism. In any corporation people work together for a common goal and that doesn't make them socialist. Having power over someone (withholding production capacity, which threatens business) and using it as leverage in a negotiation is pretty capitalist. "Not to mention socialism in an umbrella term" - yeah but the umbrella isn't far reaching enough to say that people getting together is socialism, or that me sharing my food is socialism, etc. Socialism may be an umbrella term but it is very well defined and you can't shove anything underneath it. "Using communism an extreme left wing idea isnt fair for the term socialism because it can be pro-market" 1) it is VERY fair, look up the history of socialism; 2) pro-market socialism is still anti-capitalist "Also capitalism isnt the best direction as seen through the industrial ear" - the industrial era made people have enough power to demand the vote, abolish child labour, etc. Before the industrial era you had no choice. "we need a mix of both socialistic practices as well as capitalism" - that makes no sense. Socialist practices contradict capitalism and vice-versa. The abolition of private property is against capitalism, even if the system is based on market-socialism. And if you allow capitalism within a socialist system people will undermine the system. "If we have pure capitalsim then the rich will rule over the poor" - the rich ruling over the poor exists in literally every system. Even in anarchism, the lack of a governing system, the rich will have more choice and control over those who have less. "if we have communism greedy government officials will rule" - communism is supposed to be stateless
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