Comments by "Titanium Rain" (@ChucksSEADnDEAD) on "ANOTHER Survey Says Minimum Wage BACKFIRES, Hurts Workers" video.

@grubbybum3614 "produce some of the best military equipment in the world" - which means that the rest of Europe have to throw money at them to keep their forces equipped, at the rest of Europe's expense. "And all 3 have a standing army, navy, airforce" - and a lot of the costs of maintaining them are offset by NATO. We can't even properly train fighter pilots in European airspace, the US has to bring the rest of NATO pilots to places like the Nevada desert where you can fly simulated combat without crashing into airliners.
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@grubbybum3614 "There's a central budget to which they contribute" - and certain nations are spending over the amount agreed upon while others refuse to pull their own weight. Still doesn't change the fact that a lot of stuff in NATO cooperation is off-budget and simply covered by the US defense budget.
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@grubbybum3614 fuck the EU army too. We're not dying to protect the interests of France and Germany.
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@genobreaker1054 Minimum wage was created purposefully to "breed people out" of society by making them unable to live and raise children.
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@grubbybum3614 anyone in the EU who will not reap the benefits of the military industrial complex
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@genobreaker1054 you repeat the term "conspiracy theory" as if it wasn't a proven fact that Eugenics was really popular in the early 20th century, as if there weren't articles decrying laissez-faire economics for breeding "imbeciles", or the union leaders at the time were not concerned that minimum wage would become the "maximum wage" and take away bargaining power. Henry Rogers Seager, president of the American Association for Labor Legislation, wrote in The Theory of The Minimum Wage in 1913 that he wanted to cut hereditary lines. Sidney Webb, Fabian socialist, wrote in 1912 that minimum wage would prevent those he called "parasitic" from finding employment. Royal Meeker, economist, argued in 1910 that minimum wage would deprive the "incompetent" of work and making them unable to breed more of their own kind. Those motherfuckers all wrote down their thoughts, were not shy about it, for you to come here today and say it never happened. Kappa.
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@genobreaker1054 >bunch of people pushed a fake dossier as legitimate intelligence to target a political adversary vs >eugenicists and politicians writing down their arguments for policies that purify the genetic pool
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@genobreaker1054 "Each example is a bunch of people pushing bull" - so wait, people who are eugenicists, who want to kill off the poor and then state they want state policies that disenfranchise the poor so that they can kill them off without genocide... were playing 4D chess all along? "despite what arguments people may have made for or against minimum wage at the time, when you look at the policy itself, and the actual historical context" - you means those people who were literal eugenicists and wanted the measures put in place?
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@genobreaker1054 "Eugenicists were pushing a bunch of bull" - said "bull" was... drum roll... minimum wage laws.
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@genobreaker1054 I fail to see what you're trying to prove. So these really "progressive" people who were all about science and manipulating society towards their dream world got into positions of power to implement measures to harm the poor and you're really out here dismissing the events as they happened? "The IDEA that minimum wage laws were some effort to weed certain groups out of society by preventing them from earning enough money to survive on, BY RAISING THE AMOUNT THEY GET PAID TO THE MINIMUM LEVEL REQUIRED TO SURVIVE, is seriously tin foil hat level nonsense." - it isn't. Maybe you didn't watch the multiple videos Tim has uploaded regarding minimum wage but that's okay. The minimum wage kicks out the bottom steps of the economic ladder. The point wasn't to force less capable people to get paid more. That's laughable. Employers would simply stop hiring people who were not capable of producing enough to offset the minimum legal wage and without reliable means of legal employment people would not be able to reproduce. There was no Soviet "everyone has a job" mandate. If it cost you X to employ someone and they could only bring you Y, you simply wouldn't employ them. You'd employ a skilled worker.
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@genobreaker1054 "you just described half of free market economics" - I like how free market people traveled back in time, started writing about eugenics, got into positions of power and passed minimum wage laws all for a smear job so they could accuse people who want higher min wages of being complicit with eugenics. "Minimum wage INCREASED the wages of the earners" - I mean, anyone who was earning more did not get a raise or was raised very little, the people who were already bang on the limit was obviously paid the same... but jobs where wages were lower were simply eliminated. "Does that mean factory owners hired fewer people to work? Almost certainly, as more expensive labor and safety practices would cut into a businesses profits and ability to survive and grow." - that's just missing the forest for the trees. I'm not making the point of boohoo much economy muh GDP muh layoffs that you're gonna expect in a pure economics argument. The point is that anyone who had an "important" job was retained because the business required it, but people doing more menial tasks for little money were simply prohibited from working. Who do you think was affected by this, the skilled machinists or less capable people? "minimum wage was a pay INCREASE" - Was it? Because if people were getting paid in average a dollar and min wage stipulated 2 dollars (just simple numbers as an example) that would seriously harm the economy as only huge factory owners would make enough profits to pay their workers. You just doubled personnel cost, I'd assume the min wage was just stipulated to be just enough to maintain most jobs. I'm gonna need actual numbers for this conversation to happen because you're making it seem like it was money falling from the sky. "Does it mean people lost jobs at the lowest levels? Yes. What did they do? What people always do, adapt." - my dude we're literally talking about people who couldn't adapt. They were eugenicists. They literally wanted to cull "undesirables". I'm gonna say it, they meant disabled people and low IQ people. "I bring this up because people did have options if they lost their jobs" - if you literally couldn't dig a ditch because you had a disability that wasn't really an option. "And there is plenty of historical documentation that unions arose as mobs of disgruntled workers banded together to shut down their bosses and demand better conditions and pay" - yes, through collective bargaining. Which is an effective tool because it balanced supply and demand. Because unions were perfectly aware of what a minimum wage would mean. As unions became more powerful they started lobbying for similar measures to kick out the bottom steps of the ladder and use wages or licensing to prohibit non-union members from stealing their jobs. This lead to temporary prosperity but it was a huge incentive for automation or manufacturing overseas to escape the regulations unions lobbied for - and eventually unions lost their power because workers no longer had collective bargaining as leverage against businesses that no longer needed to hire them. They were aware of the dangers of minimum wage in the beginning, then thought they could harness regulation for their own benefit and it killed them in the end. Poetic.
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@genobreaker1054 "Most factories weren't paying people to do nothing but take up room on payroll, you were expected to contribute." - and the point is that everyone can contribute with SOMETHING. Unless that something is less valuable than the minimum wage. Cinemas used to have ushers and more projectionists. Compared to today, they were "doing nothing but take up room on payroll". And that's the point, after someone's contribution is seen as not having a monetary value higher than the min wage we suddenly think it's a useless job position. But we clearly had them.
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@genobreaker1054 "I'm clearly not going to convince you it was workers fighting for what they needed (yes, they got greedy, such is human nature. Unions were originally a good thing, but have been cancer for decades)" - but that's the thing, they wanted collective bargaining and not min wages as they feared it would become the maximum wage. Take care.
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