Comments by "Titanium Rain" (@ChucksSEADnDEAD) on "Why 'Engineering' a virus is impossible!" video.

@qapplor China indeed bad. They were warned two years prior that a leak would happen in that lab unless they improved security.
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@t3nst Occam's razor this one - the researcher known as "bat woman" who studied coronavirus worked at the lab close to the origin of the pandemic, coauthored papers with an American scientist who was part of the group that came out in an open letter claiming it couldn't be a lab leak.
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It does matter where it came from. The nation where it came from lied about it, used its influence with the WHO to delay response, and then hid the evidence. The reaction would be different if the culprit had fessed up and came clean about what was going on. It wouldn't have been true. We'd know what we were fighting. We were lead by uncertainty so we let everything get out of control. We'd have an immediate response and know exactly what to do rather than act like fools. Stuff was spreading and the WHO was saying it wasn't airborne... what a joke!
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It's not a baseless conspiracy theory. It's an hypothesis.
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What message? The rant about cellulose falls flat when you know that engineered viruses have be used already. Such as the Jansen vaccine.
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Because almost nobody is trying to claim it was a weapon. DARPA was approached with a proposal to carry out research to help develop a vaccine for troops to deploy in the Pacific theater. They said F no, that kind of research is banned. So it was offshored to China. Much like BSL-4 labs have nasty pathogens so they can be studied and countered, that doesn't mean bioweapons are being developed there. The existence of a dangerous pathogen inside a lab doesn't mean ill intent. That's just where we store cultures.
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@zenaku666 Wait didn't TF have the Anita Sarkeesian arc?
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The video is nothing but a strawman. It falls under misleading information, stuff that's technically correct but it's used as a rhetoric sleight of hand rather than to disprove anything.
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@zenaku666 Because cancers have many different types. You'd almost need to have a custom built virus for every patient due to how specific the needs would be. "Infect hosts and multiply lol" is a goal already coded into virus, that's not specific at all.
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What did you understand differently? Thunder clearly strawmanned the points people bring up.
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@thelazy0ne The end result can still be selected. Take natural bananas. They're full of seeds. You can cross banana tree species until the size and number is reduced. Sometimes it won't work. You destroy those plants and only allow the ones that get progressively smaller and fewer seeds until you finally have a species of banana trees with no seeds.
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Ironically Thunder is misinforming you by bringing up a strawman about cellulose (he he) while ignoring we made vaccines out of engineered adenovirus.
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@KuK137 Not at all. An Airbus 320 is a complex system, with each part having a deliberate purpose. You can't manufacture them by coincidence. Natural beings are created by random chance. Unless you have a twin, your parents can't have another child exactly like you due to the inherent randomized nature of genetics. However, despite the pieces being banged together at random, your brothers or sisters have a 98-99% chance of coming out as perfectly functional humans with no disabilities. Maybe their eyes are a little further apart than yours, their ears bigger or smaller, maybe their limb to torso ratio is slightly off. But you can't randomize aircraft pieces and shove them on an airplane. Like if the mounting holes for a screw are misaligned by a millimeter it's not going to even fit and the plane can't get off the ground.
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@hanifarroisimukhlis5989 The reason it was hard was because they needed a very specific outcome in a specific patient. If you were just doing whatever got you closer to your research goals, it's not that hard.
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@BeUnadulterated You can control the outcome by just throwing all the test subjects with the "bad" virus into the incinerator and only keep the "good" ones. Either way, if you take something from nature that's not optimized for human spread and you get infected, you're asking for lighting to strike twice for mutations to then cause you to become infectious to other humans. Most zoonotic jumps terminate that virus as it can't jump to the same species as the host.
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@paulisfat8077 Zoonotic jumps happen on their own. Often the virus can't infect the host and dies. Some times it can infect the host and enter the cells, but it doesn't become contagious so the person becomes sick but won't infect others. Over time, eventually a natural virus from an animal will jump to a human but also be adapted to become infectious among humans. So yeah, things can happen on their own, but it's always a lottery. Do it inside a lab and you're bound to get surefire results. Instead of natural selection you have artificial selection steering it.
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@panzervalkyrie9299 Covering up increased panic. If they were transparent it would cool heads.
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Republican Man Bad. Still doesn't change how we do engineer viruses. Both Sputnik and Jansen were engineered adenoviruses.
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@biggieb8900 But it's also "slow" and it mostly gets you in your later years. Basically we can extend your life with treatment to the point that if we do eradicate cancer, you're gonna get old enough to get all the other health issues that are responsible for the majority of deaths - like cardiovascular disease.
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I mean we should strive for quality of life. We shouldn't be extending lifespans for 20 freaking years or else they're gonna raise retirement age to 80.
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Of all the nonsense he's said this is what pisses you off?
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Actual scientists can be misguided. Carl Sagan was an actual scientist but he advocated for the Nuclear Winter hypothesis. The 1991 Gulf War essentially debunked it as the massive oil fires did not cause a global effect and dissipated much sooner than the hypothesis claimed.
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As far as I'm concerned if things don't glow green it's not even real science.
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@Soken50 Ah yes "Number Of Instances China Had Workplace Accidents in The Last 12 Months" by OSHA et al.
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Okay but we engineered adenoviruses to work as a vaccine. Jansen and Sputnik. They get inside your body and instead of hijacking your cells to make more virus (as natural viruses would do) they instead make your cells produce spike protein. We've done it.
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Well, Russia is sending guys into battle in golf carts. Things aren't looking up for them.
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So we have a guy who likes guns, owns guns, has gunshot residue in his hands, and someone has been shot. He won't let you get inside his house to check his gun collection and match the bullets to the one recovered in the body, so Occam's Razor says he didn't do it? It was just celebratory gunfire from a 4th of July BBQ falling down.
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@@noir-13 Okay. J&J and the Russians modified an adenovirus to make their vaccines. Since we can modify viruses over here, and the Chinese labs do the same as us, then they can modify viruses too, right?
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@mrfish9876 Have you heard of Sputnik or J&J vaccines? Unless you believe they were frauds and filled with saline, they were actually engineered adenoviruses. So we can engineer an adenovirus to infect your cells and instead of producing more virus, they produce spike protein. We can do that. Mankind can engineer those babies. Want papers? Look up whatever J&J published. Or the Russian virology research center.
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But we've made viruses... both the Sputnik and Jansen vaccines were engineered adenoviruses.
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The scientists who said it couldn't be a lab leak were found to be in conflict of interest.
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That's nonsense because either way GoF research couldn't be funded. Even if they were negatively affected, they shouldn't have received any money at all for the rona research.
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@adamg810 He's not being conspiratorial, though.
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Raising obvious concerns isn't shitting bricks. I mean, the alternative to mRNA vaccines was adenovirus - Sputnik and J&J. We engineered a virus to fight the virus. Hello?
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@hansonlee5847 Okay but Stewart didn't say it was weaponized. There's a difference between lab leak hypothesis and full blown BIOWEAPON CONSPIRACY!1!!11!!! in this debate.
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@NoMatureContent Yeah, we can't do it specifically. We just do it until we get what we want. Like breeding banana trees until we eliminate the seeds out of them. Yes, natural banana fruit are full of seeds.
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Sadly geniuses won't save you. Even if immunocompromised, the fact that we will always carry it will present a threat to you.
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@winterhaydn It's been done in viruses. Look up The Thought Emporium. He engineered a virus to infect his gut cells and make him produce lactase to temporarily cure his lactose intolerance.
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This video is a complete strawman and also incorrect in many aspects. Do you think the J&J vaccine is a conspiracy? Well, their vaccine is an adenovirus. Engineered to enter the cells and produce the rona spike protein. That's an engineered virus, as normally viruses hijack your cells to produce more virus and keep infecting the host cells. We did it. We used science to create something Thunder claims it's not possible - and we did it to counter the rona.
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@niceshotapps1233 If you go into a cave, whatever pathogens are there aren't optimized for humans. Maybe there's zoonotic jump, and you'll get sick. But maybe you do not infect others. Or maybe lightning strikes twice and you infect other people. Now say, you have research animals in a lab which were engineered to be humanized. You pass through that cave virus through them. Bam. You'll have a virus that is perfectly primed to spread among humans because you optimized it.
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@theultimatereductionist7592 If the CCP donates food to the hungry I'd say that's good. If a bunch of people get shot and the CCP is found to be hiding smoking guns, I'd consider the fact that they're hiding them bad.
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@elchippe But nature isn't better. If the virus lives away from humans, zoonotic jump is made harder. With a few cells in a lab, you're actually more likely to get the result you want. Because you can just keep forcing and forcing artificial selection to steer the virus the way you want, while natural selection Fs off doing whatever without anyone steering.
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@geelee1977 Okay but barring that we can absolutely engineer them. The Thought Emporium engineered a virus to infect his gut cells to make him lactose tolerant. Is that not engineering?
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This was actually a W, and a L for Thunderf00t.
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