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  258.  @andyb6400  "What is he supposed to do?" - Maybe stop receiving chat donations because he's pretty much set for life? That would be a start. "Either give all his money away" - He doesn't have to. What about instead of giving money away, he actually starts building something to further his goals? He could start a business, not use any tax loopholes, pay his fair share, give his employees benefits and not exploit them. If his theories are correct, he'd actually make money! "or completely stop criticizing society" - He doesn't have to stop criticizing society. But he has to recognize that society made him rich by sitting in front of a computer. He gets money from people who probably have to work hard. How is he any better than a boss? "Itd be a drop in a pond" - Even if you argue that in terms of total it would be small change, still doesn't change the fact that he has the opportunity many didn't have. Instead of taking it, he sits on a chair and rakes in cash. Additionally, even if you ate the rich by straight up taking all the wealth from the 400 richest people in the US and took the revenue of American Fortune 500 companies, you'd still not have enough money to run the US federal budget for an entire year. So even if Bezos donated all his wealth it would be a drop in the bucket. The excuse that works for Hasan works for everyone else. "So he uses his platform and uses his 1st amendment right to try and influence policy change" - He could influence policy change by doing instead of talking. Ever heard be the change you want to see in the world? Or if he can't do it, he can hire someone with the skills. Also, he can try to influence policy change for free. There's so many activists who lived very humble lives because they were dedicated to the cause rather than the money. I don't think there's anything wrong with enjoying life, but it seems to me Hasan is more of an enjoyer than someone willing to create the change. Good for him. Seems like he could be a little more grateful. "It would have to be policy enforced by the government" - I'm sorry but this is just authoritarian fantasy. So Hasan will give his money away when it's the government using the threat of force? Easy to be charitable after getting a strongly worded letter from the IRS saying that if they have to come back next time they'll bring cops. "If he "lead by example" no one would follow" - If his theories were correct, he could become the best business owner ever. All Americans would want to buy from his business, and every worker would want to work at his establishments. Other companies would be FORCED to adopt the same policies as him to stay in business. That is, if his theories worked.
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  497.  @bibekgautam512  "But I certainly do listen to experts" - Which experts? Experts can have biases. Experts can be put under pressure. You mean you listened to a talking head on TV. But if you take the time to read the literature you'll see that cloth masks are only effective - about 60 percent - when made from multiple layers and multiple types of fabric to combine mechanical and electrostatic filtering, and nobody wears those because they're hot and restrict breathing. Surgical masks are disposable, and most people are reusing them. Surgical masks need to be replaced due to humidity, nobody's switching masks after wearing them for hours. Nobody's using masks like PPE, and incorrectly worn PPE gives the wearer a false sense of security. People are touching the masks. And most of all, the masks are meant to stop droplets when everyone's worrying about aerosol transmission. Any unsealed area will just allow aerosols to jet out of your mask. "And experts largely agree on the usefulness of the masks." - No, they don't. They told you they didn't work when this whole thing started. "And what you said about exhaling - that's such a slippery slope of an argument." - It's not a slippery slope. How is it a slippery slope when we've already seen people brutalized by state agents over masks? If you claim my breath is dangerous right now even though I am healthy, you have no moral standing to say your breath is no longer dangerous a year from now. There's no slippery slope, only consistency. Since we're criticizing fallacies, you might want to stop using arguments from authority and shut up about experts.
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  1039.  @exidy-yt  It rocked the battlefield by what? Getting shot down and damaged so often that Chuck Horner pulled it out of missions against the Iraqi Republican guard? Very few losses? Six A-10s and one OA-10 was lost, meaning it suffered the same amount of losses as the Tornado, which was considered a debacle. "F16s cannot loiter near as long over the battlefield" - You don't need to loiter when you can do the job faster. Also, loitering is suicide anywhere that isn't an extremely permissive environment. "suck at close air support in comparison" - Because most of the CAS knowledge is stuck in A-10 schools. Had the A-10 been retired in 1993 as originally planned, all that knowledge would have gone to other aircraft. It's not an aircraft issue, it's a pilot and training issue. Strike Eagle crews did not like the possibility of performing gun runs at night. They spent months perfecting their skills in simulators to get the hang of how to do it without killing yourself. Now they say they did gun runs on an almost daily basis with the F-15E during the GWOT. It's all about being allowed to put in the work. "Even a Super Tucano would be better then an F-16 in CAS" - A super tucano would be better than the A-10. Almost as fast with a turboprop, which means huge fuel savings and long loiter times. Can take off from bases much closer to the action, so the slightly lower speed is more than made up for. "but not ideal for CAS" - Why? "B-1? a strategic bomber?" - Your incredulity isn't an argument. The B-1 does perform close air support. "F-15 Eagles?? an all-weather interceptor/dogfighter??" - You are aware of what a STRIKE EAGLE is, right? It's not an interceptor or dogfighter. "Are you high?" - I ask the same. Did you get high the day you were reading wikipedia pages on airplanes? Because if you weren't high maybe you would have noticed that the things you don't believe in are real. "Neither of those planes do CAS except in dire emergency!" - You might want to check the facts before continuously putting your foot in your mouth. "You really need to research" - You really, really need to do your research. Again, it's publicly available information.
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  1276. https://www.hindawi.com/journals/isrn/2013/109846/ (read the whole thing if you can): "Calls for population-wide implementation of male circumcision on the grounds that it prevents STIs are not supported by the findings of these analyses." [...] "Sexual partners are not found randomly but usually within one’s cultural or ethnic group. Since circumcision status has a strong association with religious, tribal, and cultural factors, men with a particular circumcision status will likely have sexual partners from within a group that has a predominance of men with the same circumcision status. The smaller the group, the more quickly the rise and the higher the peak prevalence for a particular STI [109]. Consequently, when circumcision rates are high, intact men would be more likely to be in a smaller ethnic, religious, or cultural group and thus have a higher peak prevalence of a disease." [...] "It is also clear that any positive impact of circumcision on STIs is not seen in general populations. Consequently, the prevention of STIs cannot be rationally interpreted as a benefit of circumcision, and a policy of circumcision for the general population to prevent STIs is not supported by the evidence currently available in the medical literature." https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3036761/ : "The data regarding the benefits of adult circumcision for the prevention of HPV are compelling. For other non-ulcerative STIs the benefits of circumcision appear minimal. In addition, it would appear that the current literature supports adult circumcision in the developing world for the prevention of ulcerative sexually transmitted diseases. The implications for HIV acquisition are important since ulcerative STIs are a known risk factor for this. The data regarding the benefits of adult circumcision for the prevention of HPV are also compelling. For other non-ulcerative STDs, the benefits of circumcision appear minimal. Overall, the effectiveness of circumcision in the prevention of any STI should be assessed by taking all factors into account, including baseline prevalence of the disease in question, sexual behavior, use rates of condoms and sociodemographic group. Translating findings from adult studies, mainly performed in the developing world, into policies regarding neonatal circumcision in the developed world would be premature and inappropriate at this time." https://www.bmj.com/rapid-response/2011/10/28/circumcision-prevents-hiv-infection-medical-myth : "Recent evidence shows male circumcision to be of no value in preventing HIV transmission reception in both heterosexual and homosexual contacts.4,11 The medical evidence now indicates that the statement, "male circumcision prevents HIV infection" should be regarded as a medical myth." http://www.cirp.org/library/disease/STD/vanhowe6/ : "What began as speculation has resulted a century later in 60-75% of American boys being circumcised with no clearly confirmed medical benefit. In the interim, no solid epidemiological evidence has been found to support the theory that circumcision prevents STDs or to justify a policy of involuntary mass circumcision as a public health measure. While the number of confounding factors and the inability to perform a random, double-blind, propective trial make assessing the role of circumcision in STD acquisition difficult, there is no clear evidence that circumcision prevents STDs. The only consistent trend is that uncircumcised males may be more susceptible to GUD, while circumcised men are more prone to urethritis. Currently, in developed nations, urethritis is more common than GUD [34]. In summary, the medical literature does not support the theory that circumcision prevents STDs." Also a lot of the studies involve the DEVELOPING WORLD and the findings are hardly significant for developed countries, which creates other problems: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3255200/ : "One the major problems, according to Travis, is that the researchers didn’t determine the source of HIV infections acquired during the clinical trials, assuming all infections would be from heterosexual sex, though some of the infected men reported acquiring the virus during a period when they didn’t have sex or had sex using condoms." "Travis also claims the clinical trials were rife with various types of bias, such as attrition bias (the number of participants who dropped out vastly outnumbered those who became infected), duration bias (the trials were not long enough to determine if the positive effect would plateau) and expectation bias. Some of the primary investigators had already called for mass circumcision, Travis writes, so it is no surprise that they got the results they expected to see. This expectation of positive results may also explain why all three trials were terminated early." "Another form of bias in the research, writes Travis, is lead-time bias. The circumcised men were told not to have unprotected sex for 4–8 weeks, yet they were monitored immediately, as were the men in the uncircumcised group. The men in the control group were therefore exposed to infection for a longer period of time." For fuck's sake if you're gonna tell the group of men who got snipped to NOT HAVE SEX and then track how many HIV infections the two groups get the circumcision group will have less because the uncut men will have an extra 1-2 month period of sexual contact "In the chapter, Geisheker notes that mass circumcision could lead to problems in some settings. It could discourage the use of condoms, for example. Also, circumcised men are “likely to present themselves, especially to poor or illiterate village women, as rendered surgically immune to HIV.”"
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  1465.  @hv3115  "75% of people in Ontario who end up getting hospitalized" - And as we have seen, Hamburg in Germany did not verify status of 70% of their hospitalizations, and added them up to the unspiked numbers. They're not verifying status on purpose and registering them as unknowns, then using unknowns as "unspiked" in their official data. One region is one country has been caught lying. Do we have to do this for every single square inch of land around the world or are you open to admitting that Ontario is lying too? "omits the point that having [...] mandates to ensure a high percentage of the population is vaccinated is the humane" - Nothing humane about threatening to kick people out of restaurants, gyms and JOBS. You're threatening people's livelihoods. Morally, you're holding a gun to someone's head. You're willing to kill that person by denying them a way to make a living. "without hospitals getting overwhelmed" - Okay, and now we're back to square one. They're still claiming to be overwhelmed despite many countries having 50, 60, 70, 80 and 90% spiking rates. What's your plan of action now? More mandates? "But let's not pretend [...] dont help control this [...]" - Doesn't seem very controlled to me. You get no actual immunity, you can still spread, and the protection is only strong for 3-4 months. This means you're trying to keep it under control with an improper tool that should be a last resort and given to the vulnerable. If you try to spike the whole population, you don't have enough shots to keep the 3-4 month window with the vulnerable.
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  1480.  @isodoublet  "Right, because such a network would be derived of precisely the right amount of radars needed for triangulation and not a single station more." - You're missing the point. If you take out one emitter, there's now a "hole" in the network where accuracy is compromised because the "third" radar necessary for triangulation isn't there anymore. Of course there's more radars available, but the point is creating the gap. IADS always employ layers. And the air force's job is peeling layer after layer. A triangulation system just makes it easier because it requires three radars to do the job of one. "lots of small, mobile stations that don't stay in the same place for long" - Oh. You do realize that the wavelengths that are optimized for stealth are larger and not really mobile, right? "Yes, you can. You're just scientifically illiterate" - Ahahaha admitting you have no argument through namecalling. ""Stealth" means that the radar return at the given wavelength is weak, but it's not zero" - There is always non-zero levels of energy that get filtered out. That is called noise. The point of stealth is making sure that from most angles, the aircraft is indistinguishable from noise. Fun fact, at Red Flag exercises some F-16s scored kills over F-35s. They detected them visually because they had nothing on radars. By sheer luck they happened to catch unaware F-35 pilots from behind. "You can defeat this by dumping more radiative power" - Hm, such a juicy target for anti radiation missiles. "We're talking mostly software changes here. " - You said "Just fire a missile anyway and put a powerful/smart enough radar head on it". A powerful radar head is heavy. There's no such thing as a free lunch and now you're backtracking to "software". Show me this software that makes radar act like larger radars. "All stealth is worthless if you're close enough to the target." - It's not worthless because now instead of a long range defense system you now have to get "close enough" which means an expansion of safe areas where stealth aircraft can operate from. Stealth is not worthless because conventional aircraft do not have these areas. "Except the F-35 turns like a truck" - Turns on a dime, brother. But regardless, a slight deflection from course will create a predicted trajectory that forces the missile to spend fuel chasing a position in space you don't intend to be at. A heavier missile will have a huge energy disadvantage at range because changing back to the original course will force a turn and a new predicted trajectory. "just about any missile gets anywhere between 30 and 50 gs" - Try to chase a fighter jet into a new predicted trajectory after doing a 50 G turn and you have seconds of fuel left. "Look at the Su-57's engines and get back to me" - Yes, it's cope. And there's 12 of them. Meanwhile there's 500 F-15s delivered.
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  1570.  @chef7734  "The 6.8 spc has as much energy at 250 meters as the m855 has at the muzzle" - not true. M885 at the muzzle from a 14.5" is roughly 1600 J. A 110gr 6.8 SPC will have around 1300-1400 J at 200 meters. I don't see the energy climbing another 200 joule in the next 50 meters. "You gain 40 to 50% kenetic energy at 300 meters and in and 35%greater out to 600 meters" - energy isn't everything. You need to put that energy into tissue. We know that with two bullets travelling at the same velocity, the lighter one tumbles better. We all know that with two bullets with the same mass, the faster one tumbles better. 5.56 is both faster (by about 100 ft/s) at 300 meters and lighter. More energy on a round that is more likely to icepick through and not put that energy on tissue means very little. Remember, you're gonna be using FMJ rounds which depend on the tumbling to transfer energy, not hollow points. With hollow points, by all means pick 6.8 SPC. If the round weighs more, you're carrying less for the same weight. If the recoil is higher and bullet slower, marksmanship goes down because it becomes harder to guesstimate bullet travel time and bullet drop at unknown distances and once you pull the trigger you're gonna be slower to line up a second shot. You're gonna be carrying less firepower into battle, you're gonna be more likely to miss, and even if you hit you're less likely to actually put the target down. I think you're getting a bad deal with 6.8 SPC because of sheer physics alone. You can simply carry the same amount of ammo and add a bunch of weight to the rifle to bring recoil to 5.56 levels, but you're punishing your back for a caliber that's not going to do much for you and is gonna have worse trajectory anyway. "You have a larger round that has more powder pushing it in the same magwell as the 5.56." - the larger bullet also takes up more case space. If I go by Nosler load data a 223 Rem case (for some reason 5.56 NATO doesn't have 62gr load data on their website) loaded with a 62gr bullet has a 27.6 gr H2O capacity. A 6.8 SPC loaded with a 110gr bullet has a 27.5 gr H2O capacity. Again through Nosler's website a 69gr loaded in a 5.56 case has 27.5 gr H2O capacity so I rest my case, the round itself is indeed larger but because you need to stick a bigger bullet in it and still respect the OAL of the AR's magwell and magazine dimensions... you're gonna have to push the bullet deeper into the case and lose powder capacity. If you want more powder, you need either a lighter bullet (which is also shorter which gives it lower ballistic efficiency - an 85gr will have around 1040 J at 200 yards versus 5.56 62gr's 990 J - you're virtually negating the energy difference at this point) or neck it down. You're either back to 5.56 territory or trying to recreate 6mm SAW.
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  1825.  Tucson Jim  "No crimes have been committed with a M134 Minigun - the laws work" - you're a complete bullshitter. There's thousands of criminal uses of illegal machine guns, meanwhile there's only a couple uses of legal machine guns for homicides since 1934 (one of them a cop assassinating an informant). M134s are less common than Uzis, and also very costly to reproduce in a home shop. They're almost entirely milled guns, possibly from forgings. Meanwhile the Irish loyalists fought the IRA with Uzis they manufactured in a home shop. The law against machine guns does not work because there's plenty of them, unregistered. Hell, all the people who did not turn in their bump stocks are illegal machine gun owners. "U.S. v. Miller (1939)" - how nice of you to completely disregard the context behind that decision. Miller was a no-show for the trial and he was shot dead before the decision had even been made. Also one of the reasons behind the decision: "The Second Amendment protects only the ownership of military-type weapons appropriate for use in an organized militia." This is just lack of foresight. Short barrel shotguns and short barrel rifles are military-type weapons. At the time they weren't. "like any car owner, all gun owners should also be required to not only get a license" - false. You only need a license to drive a car in public. If you want a license to discharge a gun in public, by all means. "as well as large (over 7-10 round) magazines" - California just had their capacity limits on magazines struct down due to them being unconstitutional. "You can't ban the sharing of information... LIE! Sharing the plans for nuclear weapons will get you in trouble" - you do realize even wikipedia has the plans for nuclear weapons, right? The gunbarrel style nuke is the easiest to construct. You'll never get anywhere near the weapons-grade material so the knowledge on how they work is out in the open. "Wikileaks Julian Assange was recently arrested. How did you miss it?" - lmao but you can't put his leaks back in the bottle. That's why you can't ban information. Once it's freely available it will be spread. "How about sharing child porn - just information, right?" - that's like claiming libel is just speech. You can't fucking rape people and trade the videos for profit because that's criminal activity. The blueprints for a gun? Not a crime. Otherwise any engineer with spare time could commit a crime, I know I sure as fuck have a shit ton of gun designs doodled on my notebooks from my college days. "How about the live feeds from your phones and PCs?" - it's still a crime. Gun blueprints aren't crime. "considering 90% of Republicans favor stricter gun laws?" - bullshit. How about you actually look at the survey and read the questions asked?
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  1913.  @terryboyer1342  So you agree that CAS is a mission not a platform, and then you ridicule the use of aircraft capable of dropping warheads on foreheads? "In neither of these platforms can the person who designates targets and pushes the button to employ weapons even see outside the aircraft" - Are you seriously implying that that the Mark I Mod 0 Eyeball is better than a gimbaled, stabilized image that can see people scratching their nuts from ten thousand feet in the air and also IR strobes and laser designators? Having to see the fight from up in the air is an absolute clusterfuck and caused blue on blue because you can't see shit. Do we have to set up an airsoft event and you fly over with a Cessna and try to actually judge what's going on with your own two eyes while you're busy flying the plane? Good luck. First documentary features Pierre Sprey who is a charlatan and borderline "aviation stolen valor" by allowing himself to be introduced by Russia Today as the designer of the A-10 and F-16 when he was never anything more than a defense analyst who never worked for Fairchild or General Dynamics. Second documentary, you can argue that Marine Harrier pilots were also grunts in the sky considering that part of their officer training included being trained in forward air control with grunts. Hardly exclusive to the A-10. Again, it's a mission not a platform and pilots need training to perform it. If you listen to pilot interviews from other countries where the main fighter force is composed of multiroles you'll notice that they do rotate from time to time because they need their fighter pilots to also be proficient in bombing. You can make a multirole pilot a grunt of the sky.
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  2043.  @ajohnymous5699  This is Leindybeige-tier reasoning. The 1200 RPM in itself is the waste. For a defensive position? Sure, there's something to be said about high RPM when you can hunker down and have cases of ammo stacked to the ceiling of your bunker. You're not gonna hit the "same place". A mass produced weapon firing mass produced ammo will rarely be accurate enough to do it - even in modern days the US armed forces has accepted batches of ammo that got 6 MOA. The weapon and ammo's own inherent mechanical inaccuracies combined with the shifting of the weapon on its pivot is enough to stop it from hitting the same spot. Unfortunately I can't find the link anymore but there was a big fuss in the mid-2000s where the US Army accepted a batch of M855 ammo that was outside the required parameters. The more accurate your weapon is, the more you can deal with inconsistencies in the ammunition, to a degree. This is important for wartime production. "Its the same reason birdshot is effective, you point in a general area and something is bound to hit a target or, in the case with the MG 42" - birdshot is effective because you're trying to hit a small, fast moving target or even multiple targets in a flock. A machine gun isn't meant for the same purpose. "Precision is the job of the rifle" - Unfortunately, the average conscript can't get precision out of a rifle. Which is fine, because if you test most milsurp rifles very rarely do you find a precise one. The machine gun, however, is a greater casualty producer than riflemen and needs to be accurate enough. "If the MG34 and MG42 were precise weapons, then they wouldn't make use of the higher ROF and would just fire in 3-5 rd. bursts like the Czech and British LMG examples I used" - That's the difference between a machine gunner and an automatic rifleman. You can use longer bursts on crew-served, belt-fed weapons over individual mag-fed automatic rifles. "Being able to spray bullets like that is also advantageous as you don't need to worry about windage since you're hitting a general area and being off by a bit won't affect the guns performance." - but that's the problem. You have the inconsistency between every single round of ammunition, the weapon's inherent accuracy, all the factors that deflect bullets from its trajectory, the weapon's own recoil shifting the point of aim after every single firing... All those things already give you a beaten zone. If you add inaccuracy to the mix you simply stop being able to use the machine gun effectively. Inaccuracy doesn't compensate for windage, it simply creates a less dense beaten zone further away from your point of aim. If you have windage issues, your assistant gunner or a forward observer will simply call for it and you adjust before letting off a new burst. "The idea that weapons are only good if they're precise is a Western misconception, primarily American." - I'm sorry but that has to be a joke considering that even Asian and Middle Eastern fighters exploit a machine gun's ability to engage point targets out to greater ranges than a rifle. There have been machine gun vs machine gun battles across hills in Afghanistan where the relative precision of machine guns allowed both sides to engage each other in ways rifles wouldn't allow. There are a multitude of uses for a machine gun both as a casualty producer by being able to cut down point targets running for cover at a distance, or even being used as an indirect fire weapon where the beaten zone is large enough through sheer distance, normal weapon dispersion and its recoil within the tripod. "You are arguing from a POV likely rooted in a Western perspective on how a gun should be in order to do their job, while I'm stating facts from a historical perspective." - No man, I am arguing from the POV of machine gun doctrine itself and the requirements of a weapon that will be used to engage targets much farther away than a rifleman can. If you have an inaccurate weapon, you can't hit shit further away. Say, if you are trying to hit man sized targets with a 6 MOA weapon at 1000 yards, you're gonna have your shots land roughly in a 60 inch circle. That's close enough for government work. A couple of bursts and statistically you're probably gonna hit. Conversely, if you use the same weapon to fire at a target 200 yards away... the shots will land in a 12 inch circle. The bullets will all land all inside a target the size of a soldier's chest. That's not the "birdshot to mow down multiple people" effect you think matters. If you really had a weapon that acted as a combat shotgun at 200-300 yards... you wouldn't be able to hit the broad side of a barn at 1000 yards. To describe the reality of combat and how important machine gun fire is to deal with point targets or to serve as indirect fire weapons at ranges as long as 2-3km as some kind of Western misconception makes no sense considering how effective the non-Western PK machine gun is at 1000 meters when manned by competent non-Western gunners.
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  2374. +Santiago Bron don't come here pretending to know shit when you're completely wrong. During WWI the advancement in weapons technology and the lack of mobility/combined arms tactics forced combat into trenches. The Germans came up with infiltration tactics and trained men called "stosstruppen"/"sturmtruppen" to attack the trenches. During WWII warfare became more mobile and the military realized most soldiers can't hit past 300 yards so they came up with a weaker rifle, the lighter ammunition allowed soldiers to carry more of it and upon trials they figured soldiers equipped with the new rifle were faster at advancing because they could suppress the enemy while the machine gun is down (reloading, being moved or having the barrel changed). They named it "Sturmgewehr" for propaganda purposes. Soldiers were expected to conduct assaults with bolt action rifles, pistols and bayonets if they had to and in the past soldiers conducted assaults with muzzle loaders, lever action rifles and revolvers. Assaulting is an action, not a feature. Although it fits the technical definition for an assault rifle the military doesn't call M16s assault rifles. They are "Rifle, Caliber 5.56 mm, M16" because they aren't used for specifically "assaults" but as general purpose service rifles. If you paid attention so far, you'll also realize that they're not "long distance" weapons - older rifles fired more powerful ammunition to be used at longer ranges. "try the same thing with a pistol let's see how many people you can hit" You do realize that before the Vegas shooter, the deadliest shooting in the US was committed with two pistols? 34 dead in Virginia Tech.
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  2422.  @JoaoSoares-rs6ec  "the program was for jet engine aircraft not propeler, drop th crap." - Again I will quote the A-10 Thunderbolt II (Warthog) SYSTEMS ENGINEERING CASE STUDY by David R. Jacques, PhD, LtCol USAF (Ret) and Dennis D. Strouble, PhD. "The A-X was to use an existing state-of-the-art engine in order to achieve an early Initial Operational Capability (IOC). The number and type of engines was not specified by the RAD; they would be determined by trade-space analysis considering performance, cost, survivability and maintainability." "On 19 April 1967, the F-X SPO forwarded a preliminary proposal22 to AFSC headquarters. The AFRDQ A-X Proposal contained the Air Force (ASD) configuration studies for two candidate vehicles. The first vehicle configuration used a single turbo-prop engine, while the second vehicle configuration used two wing-mounted turbofan engines. Neither of these configurations was considered optimal, but they were considered representative of aircraft available in the 1970 time period." "Each of four contractors awarded study contracts in May 1967 submitted design approaches in support of the Concept Formulation Package. These design studies considered a range of design choices in: 1) Airframe and Propulsion; 2) Avionics; 3) Armament; and 4) Survivability Provisions. The performance regime specified for the A-X posed no stringent requirements on the airframe, and conventional aluminum airframes were recommended by all contractors. There was more variation in propulsion options, but all contractors recommended either turboprop or turbofan engines, either in single or twin engine configurations. Engine availability investigations by the Air Force determined there were no suitable turbofan engines that could meet the required IOC, and even excursion investigations that removed the IOC constraint favored the use of turboprops. The reason for this conclusion was that the available thrust from the turboprop exceeded that of the turbofan at all speeds up to approximately 400 knots. The primary operating regime of the A-X existed below this value." The program never demanded a jet engine, in fact the Air Force was hesitant to deploy jet engines because turboprops were more efficient at the low speeds required of the A-X aircraft. How can you ask me to drop the crap when I'm speaking the truth? Here's drawings of the turboprop proposals for the A-X program - http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-UsRRCo2Zho4/TipD1H4QzOI/AAAAAAAAAt8/_X_m0YNhWd0/s1600/GD-AX-Turboprop.jpg General Dynamics http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-tGZXeRfc5yQ/TipETlz12jI/AAAAAAAAAuE/YplQYPYsR7g/s1600/Northrop-AX-Turboprop.jpg Northrop "armor doesn't have to protect every thing, just the essential" - if you destroy everything around the essential, the aircraft can't fly either because there will be no aircraft left. "i'm done wasting time whit you" - No, you're done getting proven wrong by actual facts.
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  2423.  @terryboyer1342  What erroneous views? What facts and evidence? Video of gun runs? There's video of fighters doing gun runs on ground targets. "You earlier opined the A-10 was "unsurvivable" on the modern battlefield due to it's slow speed and lack of stealth. And now you propose a turbo prop as a replacement?" - The US is not fighting in a "modern" battlefield, it's fighting in a COIN role. Turboprops can deploy closer to the action, have lots of loiter time, the Super Tucano is just 20 knots slower in terms of cruise speed so if it can operate from closer it gets there faster. "Or that you could just "slap" a GAU 8 on them" - I'd suggest either paying attention, or not lying about what I said. Lying about things I said is one of the few things I cannot tolerate. Do you need 30mm to kill flesh and bone? There's miniguns, three barrel 50 caliber gatlings, if you want there's high caliber single barrel cannons. All of them will shred Toyotas and people. Do you want gun runs? Or do you want the BRRRT? Because I'd respect the honesty if this was about nostalgia. "Relatively simple and low cost compared to most anything else" - It's low cost compared to high performance jets. A Super Tucano costs less than half per hour than the A-10 so if your issue is cost the AF was looking into it through the OA-X. But the BRRRT cultists won, and despite the extra cost the A-10 will continue flying. So don't tell me it's about cost because y'all are willing to pay more to keep the A-10 flying like a ship of Theseus. "He stated the Army would take the A-10 in a heart beat if allowed to" - Again, this is a meme. In the memetic sense, not the internet joke sense. https://www.military.com/daily-news/2015/02/25/army-not-interested-in-taking-a10-warthogs-from-air-force.html "The service's top civilian, Army Secretary John McHugh, rejected the idea of accepting hand-me-down A-10 Warthogs from the Air Force. "No chance," he said during a breakfast meeting with reporters on Wednesday in Washington, D.C. "That's not even been a topic of casual conversation." "With our own aircraft fleet we're taking some pretty dramatic steps to reconfigure and become more affordable, and the A-10 mission is not something we considered. That's an Air Force mission as it should be and I'm sure the Air Force feels the same way," McHugh said." "I believe he's somewhat more qualified than you to weigh in on this" - I don't question qualifications, but even qualified people make mistakes. Exactly how did this CWO 5 arrive at the conclusion that it would be both affordable and reasonable to take an ageing aircraft, and then either train Army aviators and maintainers in a "new" aircraft or take Air Force personnel and take them under the Army? Did he even make some napkin calculations? Did he consult anyone else? Or what he just spitballing with his friends like one would with a beer in hand? "Air Force Chief of Staff Gen. Mark A. Welsh III has taken the brunt of the criticism, often directly. An A-10 driver during the latter days of the Cold War, he’s pushed back, arguing that CAS is a mission bigger than just the A-10. About 80 percent of all CAS sorties in Afghanistan since 2001 were flown by other aircraft, Welsh explained." - https://www.airforcemag.com/article/whats-next-for-cas/ the at the time Chief of Staff of the Air Force, a former A-10 pilot, said it's time to let go of the A-10. If we're comparing qualifications, wouldn't a former A-10 driver supersede said Chief Warrant Officer? “I don't give a rat's ass what platform brings it in. I could care less if it’s a B-52, if it’s a B-1 bomber, if it’s an F-16, an F-15, an A-10. I don’t care if the thing was delivered by carrier pigeon. I want the enemy taken care of.” - https://youtu.be/eJzyN_yiTZ4?t=2837 General Mark A. Milley, Chief of Staff of the U.S. Army Maybe the Chief Warrant Officer should have consulted someone, because nobody with actual power to make the decision is in a hurry. "With that I rest my case." - Let's review your case: - Footage of gun run. - Lying about what others said. - Hypocritically dismissing cost after defending the A-10 on the basis of cost. - Quoting an individual who puts his emotional wants over objective needs and whose opinion isn't shared by the people with actual power. Just tell me you love the BRRT. Admit it. You say I'm triggered because of the BRRT, my only problem with the BRRT is it has become a cult but the cultists will not admit it. Just say you're nostalgic and not ready to let go. There's a lot of things I can't let go off. But at least I admit it. Don't come here and LIE about my posts so you can feel better. I'd prefer the truth.
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  2577.  @jupiterjunk  "Stealth, carrier, and VTOL" - So? Still don't see how that's a problem. The Navy is also looking into a program to make a stealth carrier-borne fighter that gives them back F-14 performance they lost by switching to Hornets. The VTOL aspect of the B variant doesn't affect the others. "If the F-35 was just a replacement for the F-16, it would be awesome; but it's not. It's trying to replace 3 airframes at once" - The F/A-18 derives from the YF-17, which was also on the lightweight fighter program that picked the YF-16 as the winner. Although the airframes are different they were convergent in their design, two different ways of reaching the same goal. And again, the B variant's VTOL doesn't affect the others. "I think the project cost overruns were because of this" - I'm almost certain that most of the problems were software related. "and the F-35 suffers because of this" - Why? You don't actually explain the why. "They can sniff/detect a lot of scents, but they have to be trained. The more odors you train the dog to hit on, the less effective they become at detecting them" - You do understand that airplanes aren't dogs, right? The analogy doesn't make sense because a wing doesn't care if there's an air to air missile or air to ground missile attached to it. The radar and sensors can be fed data on thousands on different vehicles to recognize them from the air with your limitations being only computing power and memory - which we got plenty of - rather than a numerical limit. You can communicate directly with software and just have it do exactly what you want, rather than dealing with an animal with it's own personality/temperament and limited communication abilities. Analogies make sense when the things are actually analogous. Animal training and fighter jets are absolutely not comparable.
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  2578.  @jupiterjunk  The Warthog wasn't even dominant. It had to be pulled away from the Iraqi National Guard because the losses and aircraft put out of action waiting for repairs were unsustainable. In 1985 the Israelis bombed the PLO's headquarters in Tunisia with F-15Cs and Ds. Despite the not a pound for air to ground mantra, the A-D models had a dormant ability to carry Mk 82, 83 and 84 bombs. In this attack, the F-15Ds were carrying GBU-15s. The F-16 doesn't dominate? It's arguably the most common close air support aircraft considering how many flags it serves under, one of the biggest payload droppers in recent history, and also one of the best fighters in inventory. Dog 3 was trained so smell nitrates, cocaine, cook pancakes and sing the national anthem. It's a smart dog. I want Dog 3 on my team. "For the F-35; did they ever resolve the sheering of the stealth coating at super-sonic speeds?" - Only happens with the B and C variants and at very high altitudes, and the Pentagon won't pay for it. Lockheed Martin will have to solve that on their own. "Consolidating the services to one airframe is a bad idea." - Except for the USMC nobody's consolidating into a single airframe. The F-22 will be the F-35s companion and it will be replaced by a 6th gen air superiority aircraft, and the Navy will get their F/A-XX to recoup F-14-like capabilities they lost with the Hornet. "Imagine if the Air Force and Navy (for the sake of argument) only had F-15's when the crack in the airframe started to appear" - And what if the Navy didn't have the F-15? Put F-14s serving under the USAF? Navy gets tasked with airspace defense? "the F-35 would've been the rock star it should be, IF it were created just for Air Force procurement" - But how? I keep pressing people to explain this but they can't give an answer. "Like the same folks that gave us the M-2 Bradley" - Oh no someone who actually believes the nutter who wrote Pentagon Wars... we'll be here a long time.
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  2874. +wwg_Marcus I'm afraid the analogy is lost on you. The NPC meme has to do with the people who seem to be simply obeying the programming, which is why they're so predictable and act irrationally, they parrot whatever they're told by the media, etc. The "game coder" are the people and corporations who are funding the media and the gender studies "The fact is you can claim they are obeying the "programing" but their "outrage" gets results - what do you think will be the result of Jeremy spending 10 minutes crying about them? Hint: nothing." - what the hell does that have to do with anything? In no way does that contradict the NPC meme. "PCs get results, while NPCs react to PC's actions. and 9 times out of 10 they are getting their way" - what exactly is the point here? You're still not giving us a good critique of the NPC meme, for someone who seems to vehemently opposed to it. "Pretending like not accomplishing something is "winning" and the people getting the reuslts they want are losing may make you feel better" - again how does that contradict the NPC meme? "but aren't going to spur the kinda of actual changes to get your views respected to the point where they "influece" the game." - Jesus. The "game" isn't the meme. That's an externality. A few months ago there were articles about a study that blew out proportion findings about internal monologues. People thought that the study proved that there are people without internal monologues. So the NPC meme was born and it was applied to people who like normie shit and don't think for themselves. Then it got political and now NPCs are people who can't form their own opinions and seem programmed like a simplistic AI. Like "if accuser.Character = Gender.WOMAN -> then status.BELIEVE". Shit like that, if you're arguing against a black person who disagrees with liberals then say "internalized white supremacy", if woman disagrees then "internalized misogyny", etc. "So as long as you're solely focuseed on responding to PCs instead of driving the game in a way you want, you're also a NPC" - what the fuck does that even mean? Being an NPC doesn't mean SHIT about that. A human thinks for himself, a NPC obeys programming. The NPC can make changes to the world while the human just watches. That's not a fucking definition. AI can win games. Jesus way to overthink a meme, not get it, and then try to make it fit your beliefs.
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  3074.  @chef7734  "The 6.8 mm generates around 2,385 J (1,759 ft⋅lbf) of muzzle energy" - gonna need source for that, big guy. Barrel length, how compressed is that load, etc. "terminal ballistic advantage over the 5.56 mm of 588 J (434 ft⋅lbf)" - again, the bigger and slower bullet cannot effectively translate that energy into tissue. There's a reason why M67 and 5.45x39 7N6 exist - even the Eastern Bloc realized that 7.62x39 M43 made icepick wounds. M67 puts a rear weight bias on the bullet, 5.45 was designed to tumble from the get go. "You dont carry less just because it is slightly heavier. It doesnt work like that in real life. You just suck it up and drive on." - that's a massive misunderstanding of what weight means at the logistical level. Not only are you dragging a huge logistical chain around you where the ounces add up to tons, if we had the "suck it up" attitude about everything you'd be carrying more water, more batteries, more radios, more everything. The lighter infantry is the more effective it is. I don't remember the example right now but there's a famous story in Vietnam of two simultaneous battles for two hills, in one the Americans marched to the hill with their packs on and another simply left their packs on their exfil route and climbed the hill with only their battle rattle. The guys who carried the packs got murked and the guys with only the battle rattle repelled the attacks easily because they weren't exhausted. "We as soldiers improvise adapt and overcome" - but American doctrine is slow to change. As soon as the US changes to a heavier cartridge to defeat the armor the Russians are bragging about, they'll probably quickly authorize their soldiers to switch the plates for lighter ones so they can gain mobility. "You train to the differences in ballistics. It's not that hard." - it is hard compared to an "easy" caliber. "You mention tumbling. The 5.56 is such a small round it has to tumble to cause as much damage as a 6.8" - all rifle rounds have to tumble. Even 7.62 NATO tumbles. It doesn't tumble as early as 5.56 but it does and it rips a lot of tissue. Meanwhile 7.62x39 is the same diameter - actually .311-.312 compared to .308 - but it doesn't tumble worth a shit so coroner reports literally describe 7.62x39 wounds as very similar to pistol wounds. There's a reason why when .303 was forced to use a full metal jacket round-nose soldiers complained about the round being garbage, and when the nose of the bullet was replaced by a spitzer point with a cavity filled by wood pulp, paper or aluminum to increase tumbling the .303 gained respectable lethality. "We had issues in Afghanistan with the 5.56 m855 not being as effective as we needed." - because M855 suffers from fleet yaw issues. If it hits at 3 degrees of AoA is goes off like a hand grenade inside the body, if it hits at 0 degrees AoA it icepicks through. M855A1 was improved in the sense that it will tumble independently of fleet yaw. "Look at the ballistics during hog hunts or deer and it shows the 6.8 far more effective than the 5.56" - first, how many of those are with hollow points? Second, a shot through a hog doesn't represent a human torso. Again, a 7.62x39 M43 is a very poor wounder against humans because it exits the human torso before it starts to tumble against the resistance offered by the tissue. A large hog with a thick skin gives larger calibers better resistance for them to tumble INSIDE the animal in a way you won't see in humans.
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  3104.  @DebatingWombat  "stand off weapons in general are not precise enough for CAS" - Absolute bull. The gun is not precise at all, it just has limited danger radius compared to explosives. "a long-standing disgust of USAAF with the A-10 and its CAS role in general" - This is an absolute lie made up by reformists and other crackpots in the "alternative" news crowd. "The USAAF brass never liked the A-10 concept" - Lie. In fact the GAO criticized the USAF for buying too many A-10s without justifying the need for such a large fleet. "on what we might call “VCAS” (very close air support)" - Doesn't exist. Ordnance is either being dropped close to friendlies or it isn't. There's no such thing as very close without committing fratricide. "and has always preferred a strategy of “as quickly and as far away as possible”" - Another lie made up by the same crackpots I mentioned early. "action that VCAS requires, but not at the moment, and the F-35 certainly can’t" - Stop trying to make VCAS happen, you made that up. Substantiate your claim that the F-35 cannot provide CAS. "it is both debatable whether air superiority will really be that important" - Without air superiority you're done. "whether fighters are actually the best tool for that job (as opposed to various AA systems)" - Please refer to Desert Storm. Without fighter cover overhead, aircraft absolutely murder air defenses. AA systems without fighters protecting them are fish in a barrel. "Optimising [...] around a platform that is focused on air superiority is a bit silly if most of your missions are actually going to involve “ground pounding”." - The F-16 was optimized for air to air, became an absolute workhorse. History already proved you wrong.
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  3117.  @basti080891  "what country are you from to have this perspective?" - That's mostly irrelevant because I talked about several different kinds of laws from all over Europe. The 4 years to become an IPSC shooter is specific to Portugal but mandatory gun club membership and official participation in competitions is common, so is getting medically cleared, prohibition of silencers, etc. "Can it be that you are pissed of that you didn't get a gun?" - lmao thanks Dr. Cal Lightman of the internet, do you have an argument or do you just make shit personal for no reason? If your first reaction is to make things personal that's a hint you're running out of proper arguments. If your way of making things personal is by pretending you can read minds like a TV detective you know you have nothing worthwhile to say. Seven countries. Eight if we count the UK where moderators are legal. That's great. How many in Europe? Does eight countries equal the majority of Europe? "considering the list already includes the 2 biggest countries of the EU (after Brexit) that's not bad" - It is bad. It still means that most of Europe has either strict silencer ownership or outright prohibited. How big the countries are is absolutely meaningless because just because more people live there doesn't mean that everyone living outside those 7-8 countries somehow get the benefits of having those big countries inside the European sphere. Big countries don't speak for Europe so those who are fortunate enough to retain some freedoms shouldn't pretend everyone is free. "Also many countries change legislation right now or soon to allow suppressor use while hunting" - While restricting other things. I don't care about hunting either, so laws that benefit fudds don't mean shit. Didn't Switzerland just get pressured into voting to restrict handgun magazines or something by the EU? Who cares about being permitted to use a silencer during hunting when the state also wants to restrict semi-autos and magazine capacity? Plus suppressors are vastly more useful in indoor ranges, which can include the gun clubs where you are often forced to shoot at. How great that the fudds who fire one or two rounds in an afternoon get to protect their hearing, but people in cramped spaces firing next to each other have to deal with obnoxious report from each other.
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  3142.  @terryboyer1342  "10 actual actual search and rescue missions for downed aircraft/ missing people" - Respect where it is due. My father was search and rescue. I won't debate that. "A B-1 was responsible for dropping a bomb on and killing 5 American soldiers on a night CAS mission in Afghanistan. The soldiers were using their IR strobes. The accident investigation revealed that while the A-10s Litening II pod could detect the strobes the B-1s Sniper pod cannot resulting in their being targeted and their deaths." - This is all I can link to about the subject: https://www.defencetalk.com/moody-afb-a-10s-to-receive-new-sniper-pods-20411/ “It’s the Air Force’s pod of choice and is already in use in combat as well as in several active-duty units who are equipped with both the A-10Cs and other aircraft including the B-1B Lancer, F-15E (Strike Eagles) and F-16 (Fighting Falcons),” the colonel said. “Aside from the new improvements, it’s important to focus on the basic abilities that any targeting pod gives to the A-10C.” https://www.military.com/daily-news/2018/01/11/b-1-bomber-crews-defend-sniper-pod-after-friendly-fire-incident.html ""Yes, the B-1 can't do it [see IR strobes] because of the pod, but anybody else who has that pod has the same [limiting factors] that we do," said Lt. Col. Dominic "Beaver" Ross, director of operations for the 337th Test and Evaluations Squadron. "It wasn't B-1 specific. If it was an A-10, or an F-15 or F-16 in that situation, they would have had the same issue. I think it was just a misconception," he said." "You seem to have a persistent dislike of the A-10 for some reason" - I have a persistent dislike for myth becoming fact, a dislike for the BRRRRT meme. We get it, the A-10 has a big gun. This meme, and I use the term in the original meaning of the word which is an idea that replicates and mutates like a gene, has taken over aviation discourse and invalidated any argument. Because BRRRT. You can't replace the BRRRT.
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  3143.  @JoaoSoares-rs6ec  Before there were any prototypes, General Dynamics and Northrop submitted concept aircraft to the program, both turboprop. "the purpose of the titanium bathtub is to protect the most important part of the plane the pilot" - So again, the rest of the aircraft is still vulnerable to 23mm fire. "the position of the engines is very simple avoing the gases from the firing og the gau8 cannon" - Which didn't work, and so the engine ignition sparks while the cannon is fired to prevent flame out. "as for the suposed quote" - It was not supposed, it's right there and you can read it. "actyualy you stated it first" - I didn't. "thye 23mm is a AAA caliber, not the 14.5, thats is why they would focuss on it, it makes no sense to focus on the 14.5" - "Survivability from ground fire was an essential characteristic for the A-X. Structural and system design would need to provide inherent survivability, to include self sealing fuel tanks and, if power flight controls were used, a manual backup system would be provided. The pilot and critical flight systems would be protected from 14.5mm projectiles (common Soviet AntiAircraft shells)." A-10 Thunderbolt II (Warthog) SYSTEMS ENGINEERING CASE STUDY - Air Force Center for Systems Engineering (AFIT/SY) - David R. Jacques, PhD, LtCol USAF (Ret)/Dennis D. Strouble, PhD "damaged by AAA but not shot down" - Again, a couple of A-10s were downed by AAA, and others were damaged, limped back to base and are still buried in Saudi Arabia. Even if you come back to base it's still a loss. It's not invulnerable and it can be killed. "the only ones shot down were whit missiles, i know that for a fact" - Your facts are wrong. Even pro-A-10 sources claims a few were shot down by AAA guns.
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  3159. Basically the NRA supported the bump stock ban and red-flag laws. Now, it doesn't matter what you think about bump stocks - if a government decides you can't own a piece of plastic, can you really trust them to let you own guns? Regarding the red flag laws, they sound reasonable in principle but basically anyone can lie and call the authorities to ask for your guns to be removed. It's very easy to make false statements and those who make them won't always get punished because prosecution fears that punishing the false accusers will make real accusers afraid to come forward. So if if you have a quarrel with a neighbor or problems with an ex you might have a false accusation forcing you to spend time in court proving your innocence. Not to mention that sometimes bad things happen. When the police shows up to take the guns it's not always peaceful. Trigger-happy cops sometimes get addresses wrong, or make a house raid without knocking and end up shooting the homeowner who thought he was being robbed, or they restrain a family but the dog starts barking so they shoot the dog... Sorry for rambling, but these new laws are seriously pissing off gun owners. The NRA basically allowed this to happen because these laws won't reduce gun sales like a ban would, and they probably hoped that by letting these laws pass they're better able to fight off new laws. Well, multiple states are trying to crack down on guns and the NRA is nowhere to be seen. Even at the federal level they are trying to introduce gun control. The NRA on social media seems more focused on talking about their new cooler partnership since the Yeti brand of coolers dropped the NRA.
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  3197.  Ray Vorontsoff  "Have you heard about such thing as INFLATION? Have you heard about such thing as TECHNOLOGIES? These two things drove the vehicle prices up" - I wanna know how you read a comment about a government program increasing the value of older cars and went on a rant about technology making newer cars expensive. "Now you blame government in your "inability" to sell your car cheap." - Stop doing drugs. That's not what I said. You're losing your mind as you type. "Don't be a hypocrite" - There's no hypocrisy here. "If you and people like you really care about people who can buy cheap cars only, prove it with your action." - Do you know about a thing called Game Theory? "You won't. Because YOU DON'T WANT TO LOSE A CHANCE TO MAKE A GOOD BUCK OUT OF YOUR OLD JUNK" - Congratulations, that was the first lesson in Game Theory. You've just explained to yourself why you're wrong, but you can't event realize it. "I didn't either. This is why I'm pretty happy that the government offered me a better deal than junkyard or RESELLERS of my car." - You're a dummy. The government didn't offer you a better deal. The government TOOK your money, then used your own money to take your car out of the streets. YOU PAID FOR THE PROGRAM and allowed the government to BRIBE you with YOUR OWN MONEY. You didn't get a better deal. That's how real life works, jackass. Of course that a rational agent in the car market sees his money being used to get cars out of the street so he sees an opportunity to make his money back. But you're the kind of fool who got took for a ride. It would have been money if the government didn't steal your money first, and you got a couple hundred off that beater. But no. You got taken like a chump and brag about it.
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  3206.  @richardpatton2502  "But on your latest explanation on the software and reverse engineering. How confident are you that perceived enemies like Russia do not possess that info already?" - One one assume that as soon as enemy contacts started reacting to radars being turned on, they'd simply change the algorithms so that the frequency hopping becomes unpredictable again. Besides, if you were so assume that Russia broke American crypto there's a whole lot of more pressing issues that have to be addressed before stealth. "The Skyraider was supposed to be obsolete in Korea but when Vietnam came around there they were, down on the dirt." - You look at footage of cops flying the relatively "low and slow" helicopters and what do you see? FLIR. The mechanical eye sees more than you can with the human one. If you're gonna fly a modern turboprop like the A-19 Super Tucano like you'd fly a Skyraider, you're doing something wrong. For example the A-7 was a formidable bombing platform. But if you look at video from the time (this is a good one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8lVoK_APac) you can see it's not all sunshine and rainbows. You will either have to be queued about target information or you have to acquire it visually. The latter is much harder when you have to observe a pitched battle and mark your own targets. From my limited research the A-7 only got FLIR in 1978 and that was in the Navy, with the ANG A-7s only getting it in 1988. So, in the end there's nothing wrong with the machine, it's the human inside that limits the capabilities. You give the human machine eyes to see the target without requiring low and slow passes, and you solve the problem. "Also, this kind of air support is very good for morale on the ground, which importance is frequently and systematically ignored..." - If the morale gains come from using an inferior platform then we have to question if morale is even a reasonable goal. Are troops meant to see an air show or effects on target?
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  3297.  @RmFrZQ  If you check the UK Health Security Agency weekly report, for example I'm using week 42, in page 20 it shows a graph showing antibodies over time. Most of the population got S antibodies from infection and and vaccination. But the proportion of people getting N antibodies has stalled. This means that people who were infected after "immunization" (lol) mounted an immune response based on spike protein antibodies alone. The immune system was primed to respond to the spike proteins and now doesn't respond to the nucleoprotein. There's no other explanation. The rising prevalence of N antibodies is probably coming from the unvaccinated and the "true" vaccine failures where the person didn't mount an immune response to the shot, but most of the population now has an incomplete immune response even if they get exposed to the real thing after the shot. The spike protein is also a mutable part of the virus so it's always a gamble if old spikes prime the body for new variants. A good article is "Could live attenuated vaccines better control COVID-19?" by Shinya Okamura and Hirotaka Ebina, PMCID: PMC8354792/PMID: 34426024 Notice how the live attenuated shot is praised for the potential for broad immune response, but in trials in Syrian hamsters they had less virus in the lungs but the same amount in the nasal cavity. This means the immune system can prevent illness, but doesn't defeat the virus in the nose. People can stop being sick, but they'll keep hosting and spreading. And what happens when this creates a variant that evades our immunity?
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  3382. +ionceateapinecone just stop. In the US there are already federal laws to stop prohibited persons from legally acquiring guns. On top of those laws there are a lot of unreasonable laws that don't actually exist in other countries because they're so nonsensical. Calling for "common sense gun laws" is calling for MORE laws on top of those that already exist. That's not common sense. "because it's not like gun control laws prevent you from owning awesome guns" - Actually, it does. In Canada you can actually get guns which are banned from importation into the US so you can own awesome guns that Americans can't. Americans can also own a few guns that Canadians can't. Just on a surface level you can see that you're 100% wrong. Also, I advise you to look at California and New York's laws. They are very restrictive and that's the model for gun control in America. You have to come down your Canadian high horse and realize Americans are not fighting Canadian gun laws, they are fighting American legislation that could spread to the federal level. "not too long ago we had a van attack in Toronto, the guy waved his cellphone around claiming he had a gun, because Canadian gun laws prevented him from buying one and saved several lives that day." - "Furthermore, regarding the NRA, for the majority of their existence, they were pro gun control" - and the NRA are a bunch of cucks who sell out gun rights for profit. Oh an organization changed? The horror! So what they changed? It wasn't for the better. You should look up the GOA, Second Amendment Foundation, Firearms Policy Coalition, etc. If you think the NRA is bad, these organizations will be the villain you want them to be because they oppose gun control much more effectively than the NRA. Fuck the NRA. "up until 2008 (District of Columbia v. Heller), every scholarly article and supreme court ruling had been AGAINST the carrying a firearm for personal protection." - who cares? They were all wrong. It says in the damned text that the people have the right to keep and bear arms. If for all those years they thought that the right to bear arms didn't give people the right to actually bear them then that's on them.
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  3437.  @ajohnymous5699  "automatic rifles dont come with a standard bi-pod" - Depends entirely on the model. "Pinning enemy personnel down was also a viable tactic" - Which needs accurate fire. There's estimated distances by caliber of how close you need to hit to make people afraid and get to cover. You'd be surprised how close you need to hit. "When you say you're "citing machinegun doctrine" that is more or less true of the modern machinegun" - the basis of machine gun doctrine is still mostly based on WWI gunnery. "You're talking about Afghanistan and duels between machinegunners using fairly modern machineguns with smaller army groups" - Makes no difference. "The technology was different, the combat scenarios were different, these nations lacked the experience with these weapons on a modern battlefield at this time outside of WW1 and the only things cemented in what a machinegun should do is support infantry with automatic fire" - and the way you achieve that support is by delivering more killing potential than rifles and accurate suppressive fire that actually makes people go to cover and stay there. Not with "birdshot" logic. No changes in technology or combat scenarios really make a difference on what you need to ask from a machine gun. "If machinegun doctrine was standardized as you had implied by "knowing machinegun doctrine",you wouldn't have these fundamentally different designs working in tandem" - the US armed forces have the 240, 249 SAW and M27 IAR - USMC - working in tandem. They're not breaking machine gun doctrine by doing it so I'm not sure what you're trying to imply here. "several hundred to a thousand for modern assault rifles in box mags" - I wanna meet the absolute madlad running with a thousand rounds on his back. A thousand rounds divided by 30 round mags is a little over 33 magazines. Even assuming half is carried in mags and another half in belts, that would be still 16 mags and 500 rounds in belts which in terms of bulk isn't even feasible. That's over TWELVE KILOS in cartridges alone, not counting actual magazines and links. "you say that MGs are better suited than rifles at long range engagements. For the sake of people reading our exchanges and for my own sake, could you elaborate on this?" - Because MGs are crew served weapons. First of all, the weight alone makes the weapon gain less velocity from recoil so there's less of a jerk to spoil accuracy. Second, the machine gunner will mostly be using the bipod which is a much more stable firing position than the average rifleman can get from the prone or even barricade position. Third, bursts from a stable firing gun increase hit rates on point targets. Fourth, you get a better situational awareness because your assistant gunner can act as a spotter. There's a reason why assault rifles exist, the average rifleman can't score good hits at distance, so we gave them 5.56/5.45/5.8 weapons. The machine gun gets full rifle calibers because it can actually smack people at the range where rifle calibers have the energy advantage over intermediate ones. "Because I'm sure some people may read this and think "well if thats the case, why didn't we slap sniper scopes on MGs instead of rifles?"" - Well, the Americans did. The M2 was used with scopes in Korea and Carlos Hathcock famously used one in Vietnam to score the longest sniper kill until 2002. The MG42 Laffette tripod also had an optics mount and the Austrian armed forces used a modernized MG42 in a tripod mount with a periscope. Obviously the point wasn't using the MG42 as a sniping weapon, but it reinforces the idea that long range performance is expected from machine gunners. "Their effective ranges should be similar if theyre using the same cartridges in a ballistic sense" - in a strictly ballistic sense? A full caliber rifle should have the same ballistic range as a machine gun firing the same cartridge. The issue is that using a rifle in combat at long range is extremely difficult. Thus effective range from a rifle is hampered, especially since higher recoil negatively impacts marksmanship. You can expect killing potential out of a machine gun at ranges where riflemen have a hard time scoring hits.
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  3466.  @calenhoover1124  "Do you know the insane requirements to devolve into tyranny here in the U.S?" - They're not insane at all. "If the balance of power has been so heavily subverted as you've said, republicans and/or democrats wouldn't have issues getting laws passed" - the fact that there's different corporate interests fighting over differences doesn't mean anything. They have no issue getting laws passed whenever it's about fucking you over. They call that "bipartisanship". "Do you honestly think they would ever relinquish their own power to bestow all of it upon a tyrant?" - Who said anything about relinquishing anything? They're happy to share. "there's a reason that tyranny almost always evolves into a democracy," - What? Please name all the tyrannical regimes that "evolved" naturally without coups or revolutions. "the reason we havent completely repealed the patriot act(even though parts of the patriot act did expire at the end of 2019) is because of the balance of power(duh)" - You said democracy would save us, turns out it can't. Take the L. Also, the government retaining excessive power is somehow reflection of a "balance", that's a big brained take. "that debate has been going on in government since it was passed" - According to you democracy would solve it. Solve it. "same reason we wont devolve into tyranny." - So the government gives itself power and is unwilling to get rid of it. The power it amasses continues growing because there's an institutionalized inertia to giving up power. Somehow this isn't gonna devolve into tyranny even though the democratic process is unable to contain it.
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  3488. 1) Not only has Putin said it himself in 2014, the Hostomel gameplan was the same as the invasion of Czechoslovakia invasion. The runway was shelled which nullified the transports landing more troops and armor. 2) Not a fact check. 3) Yeah just like the number killed during Kherson. Yadda yadda. Meanwhile the Pentagon's leaked estimate had almost 3x more KIA on the Russian side. 6) It is a strange argument. Missiles fired from anywhere have a 30 min delivery time. Submarines can get close to coast. The Baltics are already NATO. The red line has been crossed a long time ago. Why is Ukraine special? Also, the US did not invade Cuba over the missiles, it just handled it diplomatically with the Soviet Union. 7) Russia's economy is now supporting a war rather than benefiting the people. They're not decoupled from the West, they're forced to beg for sanctions busting to get the much needed western parts. The global south? Even Brazil and South Africa are wishy-washy on Russia and Australia is opposed to them. There goes the Southern hemisphere. 8) Russian-built air defense has been neutralized by the US before. Ukraine has Soviet aircraft which were never made to hunt down defenses. Russia's air defense works against air forces that lile Russia did not invest in air power as much. 9) AT4s are common in militaries worldwide. Mexican cartels are known for pulling weaponry out of armories. That question is still a waste of time because anyone who's been informed knows cartels had heavy hardware for decades prior to the Ukraine war. 10) Because Hersh can't find anyone to publish his lies. He got the ships wrong, the aircraft wrong, the air mix used in diving wrong, he claimed that Jans Stoltenberg had been working for NATO since he was 16. It was pure fantasy, like bad Tom Clancy knockoff literature. And it wasn't ignored, it was reported by other outlets. But nobody can confirm it because, as you know, the prose is full of lies.
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  3624.  @bennuredjedi  The A-10 is not viable, and the USAF is actually starving it out of maintenance and supplies to make sure it gets retired. The AV8B is an extremely vulnerable airframe that was viable decades ago, but no more. Sure, other airframes are also from the Cold War, but they're modern and adapted to the 21st century. The Harrier is not adaptable. Yes, it does "take away" from the Air Force because the government doesn't want redundancy. If they're giving something to the Army, the Air Force can't have it or else they're wasting money on duplicates. The Air Force doesn't "focus" on air superiority. Air superiority is just a means to an end. The end and main objective of the Air Force is the support of ground forces. It doesn't free up money. It wastes money. The F-16 will eventually reach the end of the line. The A-10 wasn't even perfect for the 1980s. It was estimated that piloting an A-10 would be a suicide against Soviet armored units. It's 2022. Ukraine has shown the Su-25 gets easily shot down. There's no 21st century A-10. A 21st century aircraft needs survivability, which means stealth and speed. The A-10 has neither. There's no roles for the AV8B. They're getting retired. The STOVL is meant to land in short deck carriers. How does supporting ground forces require carrier landing? The USMC is amphibious so to them it made sense to bring Harriers on their carriers. Without that, STOVL isn't needed. Who are you going to export Harriers to when countries that would use a Harrier want F-35s instead? No, it doesn't have room for modernization. You'd have to start from scratch. The F-15, F-16 and F/A-18 are sleek, future proof designs. The Harrier is flawed as a 21st century aircraft, which is why so many were lost in Desert Storm. The F-15EX was purely corporate welfare to keep the St. Louis plant open. Without orders, Boeing would have to close it. Super Duper Hornet? The Navy asked to stop buying them. They know they won't be useful past 2050 and they don't want to spend billions on aircraft that will be retired too soon. The A-10s and AV8Bs can't be upgraded because they're locked into what they are by their airframes. The AV8B for example blasts the side of the aircraft with hot exhaust gasses, making the aircraft a beacon for IR missiles. You can't change the position of the engine. By design, the Harrier cannot be better. You cannot change it. Bringing back the Corps makes as much sense as putting the Navy under the Army. It's exactly the same.
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  3640.  @woodenfloor3131  "Can you tell me how you would address market failures without some sort of government intervention" - That's just being purely unimaginative. Almost everything around you gets done DESPITE government, not thanks to it. It's akin to believing roads or buildings couldn't exist if not for the state. Meanwhile you're surrounded by government-induced failures and refuse to accept that in a way that isn't pure dismissal. You could even do a straight trade off, less competition in the ISP market for cheap life saving drugs. But no. My side doesn't even get that benefit of the doubt, while your side gets ALL the benefit. What special magic powder does government sprinkle on its actions that somehow make them better than people on their own? "How would you deal with public goods or externalities without government?" - There's probably smarter people than me who already answered those questions decades before me, but you never listened because you're not interested in anything that doesn't reinforce your belief in the state. How would you crush small business, violate the rights of people for over a year and run dangerous g@in of funct1on research without government? How would you drop nucl3ar f1re on innocent women and children without government? If I'm going to have to answer for the hypothetical failures of anarchy, you WILL have to answer for the REAL failures of government. "Do you really believe any attempt by government to correct market inefficiences cannot yield positive marginal benefit?" - Yes, I do. Because all government can do is steal. All the "attempts" (hey at least you're willing to admit it's just an "attempt", because they tend to fall between pathetically ineffective and counterproductive) to correct anything are just an exercise of taking resources needed elsewhere and dumping them on a problem.
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  3693.  @ravenknight4876  I don't care about your whataboutism and pleas to talk about unrelated subjects. When North Korea is able to humiliate Russian equipment, the story isn't that NK are some absolute masters of their craft. They might as well be, but the real story is that Russian defenses were EMBARASSED. "And you are writing this from a capitalist nation the wealth of which is entirely founded on the exploitation" - This was about Russian radars. If you want to discuss your Marxist drivel we can, but this is about Russian defenses operated by Russian crews not faring any better than the monkey models. "Could you do a better job at running a country that is däeconomically isolated ?" - No, but that's not the topic of this discussion. We're talking radars. Not nation management. Could I do a better job? No. But I wouldn't also be committing human rights violations so I got that going for me. "Very feasable and economically viable" - Jets not getting shot down is economically viable. If you're not willing to spend money to keep aircraft in the air and pilots alive, you'll lose more money in the end. "Especially for a nation that constantly loses wars against low and no tech opponents" - Okay but we're not talking about those, are we? "And you expect those guys to somehow manage to pull off a complicated interception on a target with superior EWAR ?" - What? It's the Russians who got humiliated by North Korean EWAR. That's the story here. "Take the L." - No, I'm taking the W here. You might have not understood what just went on, but you started blabbing about unrelated subjects because you're big mad at American air power.
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  3829. TheGIANTgonads You're just throwing ad hominems, you're literally just shooting the messenger by attacking my credibility rather than the facts. Of course I have seen the central rod. The problem is that, ironically, you're using first year classical mechanics - where you only calculate normal forces and assume there's no shaft deflection (a normal force doesn't prevent bending), and you're only using statics so you're not taking into account load imbalance. I don't know if you've ever heard of this, but turbines from a car's turbo have to be balanced by grinding away mass from the blades or else the weight is going to cause a cyclical load on the axle. Pretty sure those blades are not far enough apart to grind into them. Yeah, the load may be small enough so it doesn't deflect by too much (it will to a certain degree) but it's still an unecessary load on the bearings. Bearing life is extremely important, plastic fans weight so little that the cyclical load won't damage the bearings before you buy a new computer. But shit's gonna droop because no way that it's precisely machined like a car's turbo, or else it would cost more than water cooling. I mean, it's probably going to droop and rub against the "bottom" of the circular channels if placed sideways, leaving most of the contact area populated by minuscule air gaps while only the bottom allows heat transfer. It will lead to uneven wear. And finally, you didn't address the obvious concern, heat flow can only occur with precise mating of the surfaces. That's why we use thermal paste, to eliminate air gaps between the CPU and cooler interface. Air gaps act as a thermal resistance, and if that shit is spinning then obviously there will be gaps between the surfaces. Unless you're trying to tell me they perfectly lapped the mating surfaces so they spin in perfect contact. Sorry, if this shit was so revolutionary we'd have used it in other applications, it's not worth anything so it's peddled to computer enthusiasts with more money than brains who'll fall for every gimmick.
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  3861. LuckyDukeSeven Your arguments were made from the standpoint that I tried to defend European imperialism (I didn't) and that I pretended that only white victims of slavery counted (which is why you mentioned the ships being attacked by Muslim pirates). That doesn't necessarily mean that they're invalid arguments, but they don't actually address the argument at hand so they are irrelevant. >"Your entire first comment was revisionist BS, and tried to transpose this form of slavery on to Arabs" False. My comment was related to how one millennium of slavery isn't chump change like the other guy claimed. >"Easy - you transported ships of an entire race across the ocean" 12 million, compared to the Arab slave trade which was about 17-20 million. And those millions were often bought from locals, so at least a sizable chunk of numbers that are to blame on Europeans should instead be shared by the sellers. Also, some incorrect statements you're making about race. Let me guess, you're one of the racists who still calls people "coloured" and lumps people together. >"slavery by war was, it wasn't comparable to entire villages being taken" You're a horrible human being for believing that slavery by war is justified, and for believing that people who were complacent with the European slaver trade by selling them human beings deserve to not be blamed. Not to mention that the reasons behind war are often the same reasons behind imperialism/expansionism. Slavery by war has the same results, and the same origin - human suffering and large scale kleptomania. You having a quarrel with your neighbour doesn't justify invading his home and taking his family as a trophy, and certainly doesn't entitle you to point the finger at the traders who afterwards bought them from you. >"The sex trade of young children is indeed rampant in that part of the world. I don't know where you think Pakistan is" The Arab slave trade spanned from South East Asia to North America. >"We're talking about the African continent" I'm sorry, are you the rich kid who starts losing the game in the playground so you use the "I have the ball so I make the rules" argument? I was talking about the Arab slave trade, which opens the door to slavery in the Islamic world. It's rich that you accuse me of not knowing my geography right after claiming that this is about Africa, when you brought up the rape of Native American women. So which is it, you hypocrite? It's only about Africa when it suits you.
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  3927.  @jtnachos16  "nor was it a temporary measure for while strike packages moved through" - That's the subtle difference between DEAD and SEAD. SEAD is making sure a strike package gets through. DEAD is making sure the SAM won't be there tomorrow. "You are literally arguing that NO aerial vehicle should be used for CAS duties, because no aerial vehicle is safe from ground fire." - No, I am not. I'm just saying that there's aircraft that have the legs to run, and those that don't. "If terrain masking works for a rotary, it works for a fixed wing." - Rotary wing with sensors on the mast can target threats behind cover and pop out for a shot, or even shoot from behind cover for a lock on after launch in some cases. Fixed wing comes out of cover, needs to acquire and target, release weapon, then dive back down. Helicopters are squirrely targets. Fixed wing are predictable. "Say goodbye to your stealth" - Other aircraft don't have it to begin with. Also, stealth is a combination of features. It still benefits from reduced IR signature. This is the problem, you people say "it has to trade advantages" and then present the most biased case possible. Exactly how is a F-35 loaded to the brim with 18k lbs of weapons and almost twice the thrust somehow disadvantaged? "you are better off with any existing plane that isn't as expensive to operate as a damn F-35" - And you're no better off if that aircraft gets shot down. So at the minimum, you'd still need a Strike Eagle to pull off that job. Not the A-10 limping along with 17k lbs or whatever (47k - 30k gross weight) with its measly 18k lbsf of thrust. "We saw the EXACT SAME ISSUE with the F-22, where it lost most of it's significant advantages the minute you wanted it to do anything more than hit once and run." - What?
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  3928.  @jtnachos16  Literally any pilot will tell you there's a difference between DEAD and SEAD, because DEAD is a subset of SEAD. SEAD is an overarching goal of keeping defenses down, DEAD is making sure they do not come back up. And in many cases it's not necessary to permanently shut down a SAM site and not worth risking people and resources if the mission can be complete. Yes, defenses turn back on. That's expected because SEAD accomplished the mission by SUPPRESSING the defenses for as long as it takes to perform a mission. The defenses are there to prevent missions from being accomplished. If the mission is allowed to carry on, SEAD did its job. Hence the tactic of a wild weasel flight doing the pop up maneuvers and shooting ARMs to get SAM crews to turn off the radar, and the pilots doing this with several missiles to force SAM crews to continuously have to shut the radar down. They even started doing this with cheaper rockets, and doing the same maneuver and shooting a rocket into the air to make crews think an ARM was in the air. They eventually realized they were being tricked and the real ARM firing could be differentiated in the scope. "use an existing coordinate based lock, launch, then get back under" - If you have coordinates you can drop from a distance and height. Why the hell are you popping out and diving back down? Helicopters are better at it and you're risking a pilot and aircraft with that nonsense. "They are not that much faster than an A-10 in that situation." - This is a joke, right? Even a light turn will put the A-10 under 240 knots. If you start cranking Gs for the reattack it easily goes to 190 knots. "very marginal advancements compared to proposals to rework the frames of existing craft" - Funny. The F-15EX is actually more expensive in flyaway cost and a Block 70/72 F-16 is comfortably a 100 million dollar aircraft once you have the necessary pods. Operational costs are only marginally lower and the estimates for the EX are an outright lie because they don't include the EW and targeting pod maintenance costs which are done in a different depot. "than simply making a few cheaper frames for less development" - There are no cheaper frames. 4.5 Gen is expensive. Aircraft are expensive in general.
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  3992.  @TheGrammargestapo1  The issue is that the difference isn't enough to actually penetrate severely outdated tanks, so the damage is limited to sensitive targets outside of the tank's armor. The DU penetrator was retired and only brought back for use against ISIS. And even then they were reluctant to re-introduce it. Again, even against M47 tanks most shots could not achieve full penetration. Most of the disabling effects were achieved by attacking their mobility and firepower. You're not penetrating the tank. You're disabling it. That's enough. Again, under perfect conditions most fire from the A-10 will not even come close to achieving full penetration on an ancient M47 tank. This was shown by the 1979 test and assumed that T-55s would have similar results but T-62s would not have full penetration and thus only the GAU-8 would only disable the tanks by damaging the exterior. You can achieve the same with other cannons. "so that it could be recovered and the powerpack, tracks, and cannon barrel switched out so that it was back on the battlefield in less than a day" - AGAIN, this was exactly what the 1979 testing showed. The tanks would only require hours to a day of repairs to bring back to action. The point was to make the tanks combat ineffective, win the fight, they won't get recovered. If they do, too bad. That's what the GAU-8 was shown to be capable of in 1979, but you somehow use this against other cannons while giving the GAU-8 a pass. The actual tank killing weapon in the GAU-8 is the Maverick.
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  4038. +wwg_Marcus don't worry, the meme is being run into the fucking ground like 90% of the memes in existence, we don't need the fakedeep "both sides are exactly the same" philosophy. We've replaced philosophy with pictures of the Joker saying "we live in a society". "The only real difference is they are changing things based on their actions while Jeremy is not" - how is "change" a defining factor? "I mean you're literally blindly parroting a mean you saw on an online board (or heard here) how does that make you a free thinker?" - explaining a meme means parroting? "The "goal" should eb about controlling the game and the outcome" - who said anything about goals? "That's what PCs do and NPCs don't" - not really. The human player has agency to chose not even participate on the game, or make mistakes and lose. Also, player characters are not supposed to have control over the game unless you are in an actual sandbox game. The gamemaster is in control of the game and the player can prevail over the controlling element. But he has no control, at least in most games. "If a gender study major wants to force a company to hire them as a diversity officer, they can do that" - and if an AI soldier wants to flush you out of your cover by tossing a grenade, it can do that. "You can claim, baselessly, that they "don't think for themselves" - issa joke. Don't take it too seriously. "but the harsh reality is your views aren't any more original than theirs just the same old blind parroting of others throughts" - that's ironic. I actually do question my own beliefs and my core principles have changed over the years, I have thought and debated and learned and arrived at conclusions. Your accusation is false, and falls within the scope of what you are criticizing. "The main difference is their thoughts, words, and actions are taken with specific goals in mind" - and if you want to be anal about it... NPCs also have specific goals and will adopt behaviors necessary to accomplish them. Having end goals for your behaviour exists in the whole animal kingdom and in robotics. "you have the lack of internal monolouge" - Jesus. So because I don't have the goal to change the world and force it to fit my beliefs that means lack of internal monologue? What the fuck? "the people who have an agenda, goals, and a path to acheive those goals must clearly have because they are executivng their plan constantly" - what? Well the article blew the study out of proportion, but accomplishing goals has nothing to do with the existence or lack of internal monologue. You can acomplish goals but never question the goals or even have a conversation with yourself. "How are you "shaking up the world" and isnt' that more of a sign of "breaking from the norm"" - "shaking up the world" exactly in the way that the media and large corporations want it? How is it "breaking the norm" to obey the directives set by the people who figured out that they can easily create needs and products to satisfy those needs? Too much fakedeep pseudointellectualism, 1/10. I'd given it a 0 but you got me to reply.
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  4082. @Hans "That's what i actually said, it CAN be enforced" - the fact that it can means you have no actual right to live. You can be dispatched anytime. "And i never said so." - then relocating someone does not equal slavery. "Slavery means forcing someone to do something." - "Slavery is any system in which principles of property law are applied to people, allowing individuals to own, buy and sell other individuals, as a de jure form of property.[1] A slave is unable to withdraw unilaterally from such an arrangement and works without remuneration." making someone leave your property doesn't mean you own them. Someone being evicted could have withdrawn unilaterally by not trespassing in the first place. It's not slavery, no matter which half baked definition you come up with. "you have to enslave him, forcing him something to do, which is the definition of slavery." - except it fucking isn't. Parents can force children to go to school, it isn't slavery. If I take you by the ankles and force you to dip your head in the toilet I am forcing you to do something but at most that's a form of aggression, not slavery. If I force you to give me your lunch money it's not slavery. Hell, rape is forcing someone to do something, but there's a big difference between a rape and full-on sexual slavery. There's so many caveats to your definition it's essentially worthless. "And that definition does not change in situation XY." - IRONIC. How nice of you, you had your own arguments completely obliterated and you're unable to defend them without coming up with your own (incorrect) definitions so you claim I need to be lectured on logic. Priceless.
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  4126.  @tkmonson  "Your personal experience does not match everyone else's experience." - What does that even mean? Yeah, I had a personal experience with my ban, but even the people who burn through multiple accounts on twitter or whatever and don't care end up changing some of their behavior so they can last longer and engage more people. I'm not just interjecting some specific anecdote, this is almost universal. I was part of the Deterrence Dispensed subreddit and the nuking of that place had repercussions on other subreddits, which now take care to not do the same things that allowed Reddit to come up with a BS excuse to nuke the place. It's a shock collar and punishment discourages certain behaviors. "Yes, they CAN do that, but they don't." - But they do. I've seen this happen on communities about anything. You enter a subreddit, try to explain why someone's wrong, instantly banned. Or if they're nicer, you get downvoted to hell. "All human groups have the potential for good or bad." - Whoa, tremendous piece of information. Sure, groups can be good or bad. That's not the point at all. The problem is when you create these levers that drop treats and shock collars that punish, and condition people to the point that dissent is seen as an assault on the place that needs to be dealt with. In traditional social situations people can have simple disagreements and still be polite towards one another and if you're in a group you can always talk things over. I'll say it, we're not meeting each other on neutral ground. People reading this thread are probably more likely to agree with me than you. The thing is, this is YouTube so nobody gives a shit, I could get 50 likes and that wouldn't affect you at all. But if we had an argument on reddit in my home turf you could get ganged up on and lose a ton of karma for every post. You can say "I'm smarter than this, the numbers don't affect me" but if you then want to post on a subreddit that requires a minimum karma to post, you'll either have to farm it (probably just post Trump's face and text saying "Blonald Drumpf is the worst!") or create a new account. And you'll be more careful with your disagreements with that account. Right there your behavior is already being manipulated to fall in line, even if you consciously recognize you're walking on eggshells and that account isn't the real you.
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  4292.  @earlwyss520  The USAF never decided to scrap CAS. You'll be hard pressed to find historical evidence of the Army wanting to step on the USAF's toes and most of it comes from a faction of air mobility supremacists that actually wanted the USAF out of the way. You're twisting historical facts for your benefit. At the time the USAF aircraft in service were being developed - which goes back to the 50s - the lack of accuracy of bombs made deep strike and interdiction a more rewarding mission from the benefit/risk analysis because denying the enemy logistics won the war faster and the further away from your own troops you dropped bombs the lower the rates of friendly fire would be. Those missions would also require fast jet performance. So the recently formed USAF, which was still running mostly on Army doctrine, simply did things by the book and invested in aircraft design that could do the hard job better, under the assumption that it would do the less demanding job just fine. You know this isn't true, but hindsight is 20/20 and it was ingrained into the doctrine. So while you claim that the USAF didn't care about CAS, the fact is that it was assumed that strike aircraft would be good at CAS and the USAF was more than willing to provide CAS. The reason some in the Army may have thought they didn't care was because certain proponents of the air mobility did not want to call in USAF support. And it was the USAF chief of staff that discovered the hard way that there were people in the Army with power who wanted them out of the picture. So the USAF did the reasonable thing which was ask what was needed. The A-X project came out of that. And the USAF chief of staff did not oppose the acquisition of armed helicopters for fire support, it was McNamara that shut it down.
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  4419.  @kokofan50  The best and brightest office clerks? The problem with a "secret base" is that you can't run a base with just spooks. You need people who spend their day at the desk typing whatever on the computer and taking photocopies, run the mess hall, etc. There's probably contractors who fix the AC and the roofs. I don't even know if in these bases the office floors get swept by privates or if cleaning is contracted out too. So right there you have a ton of personnel who are just 20 year olds who have no background in cloak and dagger stuff other than "don't use military computers to torrent stuff or the Russians will hack us". Now let's face it, the intelligence people are probably just looking at drone footage all day and not being secret squirrel spies either. The problem was not geolocation (as they had reasons to keep phones on) but how the bases were exposed through an unforseen effect. The fitness app creating user heatmaps and the people on the base running alongside the building walls created a near perfect outline exposing the base layout. That's it. If you wanted to know where the base was, you'd have looked into a catalog of blurred/blacked out locations on satellite imagery. Done, you geolocated the base by knowing where you're not allowed to look, no need for bad phone opsec. The embarassment here was that the base layout and activity was exposed. If they had instead ran alongside the inside perimeter of the base, we'd have learned nothing new except knowing which base had more runners.
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  4435. +wigon ah yes, Soldier of Fortune magazine. Because they're world renowned experts in aviation /sarcasm. It's a rag. Do you realize that your own link says "Breaking Defense had a rare interview with the Air Force in 2014" - meaning that their post is quoting sources from 3 years back? So no, the article isn't current even though it was posted in 2017. You're calling bullshit on what is common knowledge? In the Paris air show it was flying with Block 3i software which limits the F-35 to 7g and 50º AoA even though the AF-2 testbed has already flown 9g+ and 100º AoA - you're disputing the fact that software upgrades are used to unlock the true potential of the F-35. If you had bothered to read the "damning" report that said it couldn't dogfight, you'd have read that the report specifically claims that loads experienced by the airframe were nowhere near the limits so the F-35 had more maneuverability on tap but the software itself caused the energy losses - they recommended increasing the pitch rate (aka telling the software to allow the aircraft to turn more degrees/second) so that the F-35 did not have to waste energy entering and departing from high AoA. They recommended updating the software to allow the pilot greater yaw rate control authority. Increase alpha onset. The document the F-35 haters have been jerking off to literally says that the airplane was being limited by the conservative software limitations and that it should be changed to allow better energy retention and better dogfighting abilities. Look at this video at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9re9tJckTlk at 5:24. She explains that the F-16 dogfight tests were meant to test the command laws of the airplane - which I have already explained to you but you called bullshit. She states that she's flying Block 2b (that was back in 2015). Here, two sources on the Norwegian pilot who contradicted the 2015 report: https://theaviationist.com/2016/03/01/heres-what-ive-learned-so-far-dogfighting-in-the-f-35-a-jsf-pilot-first-hand-account/ and https://www.defensenews.com/air/2016/03/01/norwegian-f-35-pilot-counters-controversial-dogfighting-report/ FROM 2016 WHICH MEANS THE CAPABILITIES WERE NOWHERE NEAR THE UPCOMING BLOCK 3F
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  4508.  @DebatingWombat  It's not about disagreement. It's about lying for profit and clout. There's a group of people who wrote articles and books full of falsehoods. Here's the true story. USAF starts to do a study on the Army's views on USAF CAS, and they approach the enlisted men. Troops are satisfied with USAF CAS, but they wonder why they're not called more often. USAF investigates. Turns out that the Army has a faction of air mobility supremacists who want to distance themselves from USAF and encourage their own officers to not call in USAF CAS as often because rotary wing will take over. USAF creates A-X program to placate the concerns of air mobility supremacists, which results in the A-10. Air Force buys so many A-10s the government actually gets up in their face about the money they're wasting on A-10s. Additionally, the USAF obviously comes from the USAAF. So their doctrine in the early years was Army doctrine. And doctrine stated that the hardware acquisition should focus on the hardest, most demanding tasks and then use that hardware for less demanding tasks. Which lead to the myth that the Air Force doesn't want to do ground strikes because they purchase supersonic aircraft. This is nonsense. The assumption at the time was that the best aircraft for the job would be able to do well in less demanding tasks, but this was not working well. The whole issue was caused by doctrine that had come from the time the air force was part of the US Army. Now that you know that you've been fooled by crackpots and revisionists, you can move forward. The results are pretty indicative. A larger country with larger defensive network and no allies in Blue side is still going to get wrecked if they have no air power. Defenses NEED air superiority above them to work. Otherwise SEAD simply eliminates layers with impunity. No, it doesn't illustrate your point. It completely proves you wrong. Your point is that the F-16 could never be a good strike aircraft. It's pretty great. History already solved this debate.
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  4550.  @JoaoSoares-rs6ec  "there were more than 14.5 mm the north Vietnamese had" - But the A-X project was focused on 14.5mm because it was perceived to be a much more common threat. The titanium bathtub on the A-10 is rated to stop 23mm. But that wasn't an initial consideration. "you keep forgetting that until the A10 the USF had no CAS aircraft" - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LTV_A-7_Corsair_II#United_States_Air_Force_A-7D "To meet its need for close air support of its troops in South Vietnam, the Army pressured the Air Force to procure a specialized subsonic close air support fixed-wing aircraft that would suit its needs better than the general-purpose supersonic aircraft that the USAF preferred.[25] The Vought A-7 seemed to be a relatively quick and inexpensive way to satisfy this need. However, the USAF was initially reluctant to take on yet another Navy-designed aircraft, but Secretary of Defense Robert McNamara was insistent. On 5 November 1965, Secretary of the Air Force Harold Brown and USAF Chief of Staff General John P. McConnell announced that they had decided to order a version of the Corsair II, designated A-7D, for the Tactical Air Command.[25]" "it didn't fly straight to the ground" - https://youtu.be/sTs8lAbA1FE?t=211 then how was it supposed to point the HUD to the target? "the A10 lost were all due to IR missile destroying the engines" - (Serial Number : 78-0722)[45] AAA ground fire 60 miles northwest of Kuwait city while attacking Republican Guard targets. (Serial Number : 79-0130)[47] Hit by ground fire approx 60 miles northwest of Kuwait city while attacking Republican Guard targets.
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  4551.  @JoaoSoares-rs6ec  Let me explain again, but sloooooowly. When the A-X program started it was meant to be a turboprop aircraft. The A-10 didn't exist as a concept just yet. If it had been made to handle 23mm it would have barely taken off, let alone carry a payload or have loiter time. Aircraft design is a compromise. That's why the A-10, which is more powerful than the original A-X project envisioned and thus able to be more armored, still only has a titanium bathtub around the pilot and flight systems. Other armor panels, like the ones around the ammunition drum, are not required to stop 23mm shells, only to detonate them before they could set ammo on fire. So again, the point of the A-X program wasn't to make an aircraft invincible to ground fire, just resist it. And the design parameters were 14.5mm because that was perceived to be the big threat while 23mm was too costly to counter. The dual turbofans on the A-10 allow for more armor without sacrificing payload, but it's still not meant to be invulnerable to 23mm. It's only meant to save the pilot and flight controls from it. The rest of the plane can be destroyed by 23mm. "No I'm not forgetting that USF didn't had a dedicated CAS aircraft" - I was QUOTING you, do you know what quotation marks mean? "soldiers on the ground love the Tham thing" - Which is an emotional response, do you want to base your opinions on facts or feelings? "any plane ment to replace it has been seen as a step back not forward" - According to whom? Bloggers and career politicians? "do happen to know that all A10 lost, both of them were to IR missile not AAA" - I literally gave you the tail numbers of two A-10s shot down by AAA. Let's see more http://www.rjlee.org/air/ds-aaloss/ Or here https://www.2951clss-gulfwar.com/loses.htm OA-10A 77-0197 Hit by AAA small arms. A-10A 78-0722 AAA ground fire 60 miles north west of Kuwait city while attacking Republican Guard targets. A-10A 79-0130 Hit by ground fire approx 60 miles North West of Kuwait city while attacking Republican Guard targets. A-10A 80-0248 Hit by either 'optical AAA' ground fire or SAM 20, unconfirmed which it was, NM SW of Kuwait City, Kuwait.
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  4558.  Michael Longstaff  "Enemy positions move dynamicly and extremely quickly in those situations so any GPS/INS guided weapons" - Yeah I'm chalking this one as a strawman argument, bub. Nobody suggested the use of GPS guided bombs. "Low cloud ceilings or poor visibility and laser guided weapons like the GBU 12 are no use" - You say this like unguided bombs (put the thing on the thing, chunk chunk) or laser guided rockets that are fired from much lower altitudes don't exist. "While airframes like the F-16, F/A-18, F-35 ect are amazing bjts of kit, a multirole platform will never eat a true purpose built one" - Why? "The A-10s low speed" - That's a bad thing. Speed is life in the air. "massive payload capacity" - The F-35 can carry 2,000 lbs more. "loiter time" - Loiter time doesn't mean anything unless the enemy allows you to just fly without that meaning certain death. "Its avionics are 100% focused on ground attacks" - You mean the avionics that were gutted and replaced by modern ones, that just operate like most modern fighter aircraft? It's got MFDs and targeting pods, big whoop. "blow other fixed wings out of the water" - Why? You say things and expect us to believe them. Can you actually explain why the MFDs and targeting pods on the A-10 are better than on other aircraft? "even reverting from hydrolic control of flight surfaces to a backup pully system at the flip of a switch" - The F-35 is built with independent hydraulic systems so that it can't get bled dry in the first plane unless you literally shoot off every control surface. And it's got even more body lift than previous designs. We already saw a F-15 land without a wing and stabilator, and a F-16 landed after losing half a wing. The F-35 has got even more body lift going for it. "Not to mention the tub the pilot sits in is heavily armoured unlike multirole fighters." - This is a joke, right? Okay, the entire aircraft gets cut in half by missile, but the pilot has a titanium bathtub to protect him from 23mm. Great. Meanwhile a multirole fighter doesn't get hit in the first place. Hmmmm. "A-10s have been known to be hit buy SAMs, destroying an engine and it has finished its mission before returning and landing safely." - In 1991 seven A-10s were lost to SAMs and AAA, with 13 more too battle damaged to repair. This lead the USAF to pull the A-10 from missions against the Iraqi Republican Guard because the losses were unacceptable. If you're known to get hit... that's bad. If you have to be sent into battle in a titanium bathtub because we know you're gonna die because of how poorly your airframe performs... you need to ask for a new plane.
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  4710.  @KurNorock  Way to miss the point entirely. If the majority of people only have mild symptoms there is a huge fucking problem to all the people who are gonna either require hospitalization or die. "If you have the virus and don't even know it and spread it to other people who also only have mild symptoms" - You're determining that I'm only gonna spread to people who have the chance to beat the virus. You can't decide that beforehand. "How is that ANY different from the flu?" - The fact that it's deadlier? "So far, the common flu is FAR more dangerous than the Corona virus and nobody cares about the flu." - Because you're comparing an endemic virus that is allowed to run rampant, to something that we're ACTIVELY SUPPRESSING. If we were not suppressing the novel coronavirus then you could make a direct comparison to the flu. Right now, in Italy they're 3d printing parts for respirators to be able to keep people alive. Does this sound like the flu? "H1N1 was FAR more deadly than the Corona virus" - Didn't spread as fast. "I don't mean to brag, but this is like the 10th end of the world disease I've survived. I know how this story goes." - I don't mean to brag, but I didn't get bit by mosquitoes last night. Ignore the fact that I'm covered in bug repellent and the government is fumigating the streets outside. Even if nobody was taking any measures I wouldn't get bit anyway. "So, like I said, unless the actual fatality rates start to climb, this virus is no more dangerous than the flu"/"the fatality rates have been extremely low and limited to a specific subset of the population." - Again, because cities with the outbreak are closing down and limiting the spread.
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  4779.  @MARKSMAN108  what did the government programs, loans and subsidies do? Increase the demand for college. Demand picks up, so do prices. What happens when the caliber of student entering college declines? Due to the fact that it has become more accessible, demand picks up - and so do prices. I agree that degrees are useful. But 51% of employed college grads are in a job that doesn't require a degree. A person entering the workforce while others are enrolling college has a few extra years of income and obviously no student loans debt, which is a huge advantage over the college graduate who can't get a job with his degree. I enlisted (and was rejected so never actually served lol just to make that clear) and I'm a college student. So I have a little of experience on both sides and let me tell you that college is nothing like the military. It's much easier to connect with people outside college, people take as little responsibility as they can, they abuse their freedoms (and don't learn from the mistakes) and I don't see people maturing at all - if anything I've seen people regress. I'm not saying college is stupid because of the cost. I am saying that it's an investment that people will have trouble paying off if they don't make the right choices. I'm not ignorant for suggesting that people should make sound financial decisions. If anything, reducing the demand for college will make prices drop and make college great again. I'm not saying "don't go to college" I am saying: "consider your options". You on the other hand, you're almost treating college as the default option, almost in a "just go for it and see how it goes" way. We're asking 17-18 year olds to make this choice...
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  4797.  inyrui  I love how you don't even address the arguments and go straight for the leftist "poor you" deflection tactic whenever anyone on their side is caught being a shithead. The obsession with victimization and the logic of "there's no bad actions only bad targets" has actually prevented leftists who are garbage human beings from being called out because any attempt to call them out is framed as victimization. "I love e;r. I dont have to agree with everything he says to enjoy him." - nobody said you did. But when he posted a video of Steven Universe's brain broadcasting a Hitler speech the joke lands whether you agree or not. You can be offended. You can just not like the joke. But the point that E;R does not deserve to get booted out doesn't conflict with choosing not to listen to Jim Sterling because he has bad opinions and he's a hypocrite. We didn't call for Jim Sterling to be deplatformed and I don't think anyone should be forced to watch E;R. Somehow, you think you have found hypocrisy here when there is none. "I'm a dude, and as a dude, I dont give a fuck if people bad mouth men. Men are pigs" - That's the ultimate "spare some coochie, ma'am?" move. I don't care about your perspective because you have no actual statements to back it up. My point is that Jim Sterling is actually too dumb to make a criticism of men. Years ago he went on a rant against men because male sex toys are disembodied female parts. He is too fucking dumb to even acknowledge that the gigantic purple dildo from Saints Row he waved around for years of the jimquisition is representative of female sex toys and is in fact a disembodied male part. If men are pigs because our sex toys (which not every male uses) are disembodied female parts and that's Jim's insight into the male view of women... Then what do women's sex toys say about women? That's my point. Even if Jim says something that is right his mentality is corrupted by his own politics and personal biases. I watch people who can make a coherent argument and explain concepts I don't understand enough to have an opinion myself. If Jim is going to say something I already agree with but his explanation requires me to accept a bunch of beliefs I wholeheartedly reject there's no point in watching. Either way, people who claim the world is overpopulated and men who hate men have the same solution - and nobody actually follows through with it. Funny how that works. It's almost like they're not being honest. "His content about the industry is why I watch" - but the point is that his comments about the industry are completely inseparable from his brainlet understanding of capitalism. And that's my point, E;R's joke about overrepresentation of Jewish people in positions of power while a Hitler speech is playing does not undermine his criticism of Steven Universe. You can detach content from the joke. If I'm going to detach Sterling's politics from his content it's just "bideo gaem industry bad" and wow I don't need a 10 minute video of filler to know that.
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  5026. @libertarian4ever66 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rockwell_B-1_Lancer "On 14 July 2007, the Associated Press reported on the growing USAF presence in Iraq, including reintroduction of B-1Bs as a close-at-hand platform to support Coalition ground forces.[134] Since 2008, B-1s have been used in Iraq and Afghanistan in an "armed overwatch" role, loitering for surveillance purposes while ready to deliver guided bombs in support of ground troops if contacted.[135][136]" "In August 2012, the 9th Expeditionary Bomb Squadron returned from a six-month tour in Afghanistan. Its 9 B-1Bs flew 770 sorties, the most of any B-1B squadron on a single deployment. The squadron spent 9,500 hours airborne, keeping one of its bombers in the air at all times. They accounted for a quarter of all combat aircraft sorties over the country during that time and fulfilled an average of two to three air support requests per day.[145]" "Beginning in 2014, the B-1 was used by the U.S. against the Islamic State (IS) in the Syrian Civil War.[148] From August 2014 to January 2015, the B-1 accounted for eight percent of USAF sorties during Operation Inherent Resolve.[149] The 9th Bomb Squadron was deployed to Qatar in July 2014 to support missions in Afghanistan, but when the air campaign against IS began on 8 August, the aircraft were employed in Iraq. During the Battle of Kobane in Syria, the squadron's B-1s dropped 660 bombs over 5 months in support of Kurdish forces defending the city, one-third of all bombs used during OIR during the period, killing some 1,000 ISIL fighters. The 9th Bomb Squadron's B-1s went "Winchester", dropping all weapons on board, 31 times during their deployment. They dropped over 2,000 JDAMs during the 6-month rotation.[150] B-1s from the 28th Bomb Wing flew 490 sorties where they dropped 3,800 munitions on 3,700 targets during a six-month deployment." https://www.military.com/daily-news/2018/01/14/b-1b-lancers-evolving-mission-take-more-close-air-support.html ""Twenty-five years ago, if you would have said the B-1 was going to do CAS, you would have been laughed out of the room," said Lt. Col. Dominic "Beaver" Ross, director of operations for the 337th Test and Evaluations Squadron." "Today, "the B-1 [has] dropped more weapons in CAS than any other platform. It's second to none," Ross said during an interview. Military.com sat down with Global Strike Command officials during a trip to the base and took a ride in the B-1B over training ranges in New Mexico last month. "Most ground commanders want a B-1 or an A-10 [Thunderbolt II]," Ross said of close mission support. But, unlike the A-10 -- reigning champion in the fight against the Islamic State in Iraq and Syria -- "we have the long loiter time," he said. "We have the sensors. We have the speed, the shows of force. We are so [forward-leaning] in this community. We try to think of ways for the crews and the airplane to do things you would have never thought of doing with it," Ross said. He continued, "If I'm talking to a guy on the ground and I have my sensor on him ... we can drop weapons seven miles away, or we can drop lower, drop them closer. We're not going to drop them as low as an A-10, but we are going to do shows of force where we're 500 feet overtop of their head."" ""Realize that all the platforms that drop these weapons [GBU-54s, GBU-31s] are seeing the exact same thing ," he said. "So a GBU-31 dropped off a B-1 is the same as a GBU-31 dropped off of an F-15, or an F-16, or an A-10. They all have launch acceptability regions, they all have air speeds and altitude restrictions, and they're all GPS-guided weapons." Kilchrist added, "An A-10 can drop those things just as well as we can. To put in the perspective of, 'Oh, a B-1 is not a CAS platform' [argument], remember that CAS is that mission set. And because of the payload that we have, the speed, the gas, we can stay there for long periods of time. And just unleash."" https://breakingdefense.com/2014/05/sen-mccain-b-1s-really-do-cas/ "Senator McCain stopped just short Tuesday of accusing the Air Force of walking away from the Close Air Support (CAS) mission if the service retires the A-10 Warthog fleet. Air Force Chief of Staff Gen. Mark Welsh and Secretary Deborah Lee James told the Senate Armed Services Committee hearing where McCain raised the issue that many other aircraft fill the CAS role, including the B-1B bomber. McCain clearly did not buy it: “You’re throwing in the B-1 bomber as a close air support weapon to replace the A-10. This is the reason why there is … such incredible skepticism here in the Congress.” The senator apparently didn’t know that the B-1 has been a CAS weapon since 2001. The B-52 has flown CAS missions since 1967. Joint Publication 3-09.3 defines Close Air Support (CAS) as “air action by fixed or rotary-winged aircraft against hostile targets that are close to friendly ground or naval forces, and which requires detailed integration of each air mission with fire and movement of these forces.” So, by definition, CAS is a joint mission and not the purview of any single service or platform." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eJzyN_yiTZ4 "I don't give a rat's ass what platform brings it in. I could care less if it's a B-52, if it's a B-1 bomber, if it's an F-16..." No offense gramps, but it's not the 80s anymore.
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  5038.  @Alex-cw3rz  "another aircraft was hit" - But not shot down. It returned home. Meaning that the feat was not repeated. It doesn't matter how much you classify something, you can't hide a missing airframe. "Is just embarrassing, just except it." - You mean "accept it". No, it's not embarrassing. What's embarrassing is bragging about a shootdown for 20 years even though it didn't change anything. "It's the equivalent of saying if yugoalsivia had bought S-300 NATO would have never entered" - No, it isn't. The planets needed to align for something to occur. It took both great skill from operators and the golden opportunity. If a normal, average skill crew couldn't have done it during average circumstances, you can't infer anything other than the extreme levels of skill displayed. "If their had been SEAD support it wouldn't have been a stealth mission" - False. Do you think planners are children? SEAD is in the air. It doesn't tell you anything. You don't know where the F-117 is. You don't know when. All you know is that if you turn on your radar a HARM is fired. That's all you know. "No SAM unit would ever fire just one missile" - That's beside the point. What if the second missile lost track too? We wouldn't be discussing anything here. "the reason the flight plan was known was due to spy's" - This is false. The F-117s were using the same ingress routes. There were no spies in NATO command centers. "you'd repeat patterns within days making it utterly useless" - If they're used randomly no pattern can be established.
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  5046.  @bush_wookie_9606  "but ultimately the US airforce is not interested in CAS and never has been" - WHOOOP there it is. Yeah, keep parroting the old "military reformers" nonsense made up to write books. The USAF was always interested in the CAS role and history proves it. "the F16 was meant to replace the A10 and it never lived up to it." - But it already did. F-16 performs over 30% of CAS missions while the A-10 only perfoms 11% since 2014. "it has poor maneuverability" - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G0hWzaKEeZo "a lack of armament" - 18k pounds, babey. "it would be massively easier converting the A10'S to drones" - This has to be a joke, right? The majority of drone conversions is for use a TARGET drones. They're made to fly and get missiles launched at them. For actual drone use, we use drones. It's not easier at all to do a conversion. Just the wiring harness to connect all functions of the A-10 cockpit to a flight computer would be an absolute nightmare. The on-board computer would need to be completely new because you'd need to combine the remote flying of a conventional aircraft of drone conversions with the weapons employment of actual drones. You're severely underestimating the complexity of the aeronautical world. For the cost of converting a fleet of A-10s to drones you could just perform non-stop sorties of conventional drones for years. And in the end? You'd get an underpowered, slow drone that can't handle modern air defenses. And that's reaching the end of its lifespan.
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  5410.  @MisterN1  "which technically they do all the time as a part of the aging process in which cells replicate and each replication makes new cells weaker than the previous though not always" - No. There are thermal and non-thermal effects in vitro to millimeter wave radiation. What does this mean? The studies say it's not clear. "5G does not magically transform a living substance into a bunch of RNA encased in a fatty lipid layer with proteins sticking out of it(that would be a virus)" - I've clearly never mentioned a virus. I was just saying the entire 5G conspiracy theory goes deeper than that. "Cancer cells are made by radiation" - No, cancer cells can be made by literally anything. Even exposure to asbestos is dangerous because not only getting the fibers stuck on your lung tissue causes the cells to react to the foreign object, but the fibers themselves are thin enough to tangle chromosomes and physically change the DNA inside a cell. Exposure to certain chemicals causes these changes which are responsible for cancer. "I could see the argument for 5g causing cancer were it not for the issue of cellphone radiation and even 5G radiation being non-ionizing radiation" - I literally explained why the "ionizing vs non-ionizing" argument doesn't work. "Sorry man but you're not winning me over on any of this." - I'm not winning ANYTHING. I'm literally trying to explain you how to talk to the people who believe in the conspiracy. You can't flippantly dismiss non-ionizing radiation when the issue is cells having their DNA affected by means other than ionizing radiation.
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  5485. The Norwegian shooter had a Mini-14 - precisely known for being a "hunting style" weapon that avoided weapon bans. I've seen pictures of an Eotech mounted in the rifle, don't know if he used it on the shooting but for fuck's sake, he massacred kids trapped in an island. I don't think he used a scope but even if he did it wouldn't give some kind of upper hand against unarmed teenagers and young adults. No, Sasha W was just one guy selling guns on the dark web under the handle "DWguns". Black Knight you do realize that putting people in jail doesn't cure addiction, right? Portugal doesn't "allow" drugs, it's just that consumption won't send you to jail, court will mandate rehab and if you refuse to go you lose government benefits if you had them. So basically if you want to ruin your life with drugs it's your choice, but if you want help you'll get help. In the US you're sent to jail to fill up the capacity of the for-profit prison system and to be part of a cheap labour force (prisons want non-violent inmates to perform labour while they discard the violent criminals into the street or push them into state prisons). https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/22/opinion/sunday/portugal-drug-decriminalization.html https://news.vice.com/article/ungass-portugal-what-happened-after-decriminalization-drugs-weed-to-heroin http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/portugal-decriminalised-drugs-14-years-ago-and-now-hardly-anyone-dies-from-overdosing-10301780.html https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2015/06/05/why-hardly-anyone-dies-from-a-drug-overdose-in-portugal/?utm_term=.36b11649c3a7 http://www.businessinsider.com/what-happened-when-portugal-decriminalized-all-drugs-2016-3 You claimed I was lying, here's multiple news articles saying exactly what I said.
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  5509.  @obsidianstatue  On paper space flight is "hypersonic". The issue is, the speed of sound decreases as you climb into thinner atmosphere, and essentially there's no speed of sound in space. The reason the US experimented with atmospheric hypersonics and didn't go further is because warheads coming down from space are """hypersonic""". However, having a human inside an atmospheric hypersonic craft that isn't meant to go to space is an amazing achievement for the 60s. I don't have a problem, the issue is the same old "bro China has AI bro they're gonna beat us with AI bro". Stop. AI isn't even AI. It's just a computer slamming against a wall until you give it a billion attempts to not do something stupid. That's not "artificial intelligence". It's like training an animal to perform tricks. You do realize that even the common heatseeking missile requires a special glass and cryogenic cooling due to the fact that the missile's forward velocity causes the overheating of the nose, right? It's perfectly reasonable to assume a hypersonic weapon may throttle back to supersonic for targeting data and also for last minute evasive maneuvers. The big deal with hypersonics is very short flight time between launch and arrival at the target zone. A missile that stays supersonic all the way would have to look through a much larger area to find the moving target. My comment was about you bringing up the T-72 combat record. It's not that great. Then you parroted the usual cope of saying NATO fights inferior enemies. Well, maybe they shouldn't have bought Russian gear and they wouldn't be inferior.
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  5787. Mark Massingill >"There is no reason the average person cannot do without marijuana" But there's also no reason why it should be illegal and that's the core of the argument. Not that people "need" weed. There's also no reason the average person cannot do without a gun. By the same logic we could ban guns by determining how much someone "needs" it. "You haven't been murdered? Then you don't really need a gun yet, do you? Come back after you can prove you were in danger." >"I'm not for simply ignoring laws we don't agree with when there are perfectly legal avenues to work for change.  I don't pity anyone who chose to break the law and is now paying the consequences of that act.  Showing such disregard for the law is a bad trend to set." Lex iniusta non est lex “One has a moral responsibility to disobey unjust laws.” ― Martin Luther King Jr. “Protest beyond the law is not a departure from democracy; it is absolutely essential to it.” ― Howard Zinn “An individual who breaks a law that conscience tells him is unjust, and who willingly accepts the penalty of imprisonment in order to arouse the conscience of the community over its injustice, is in reality expressing the highest respect for the law” ― Martin Luther King Jr. “If the machine of government is of such a nature that it requires you to be the agent of injustice to another, then, I say, break the law” ― Henry David Thoreau “An unjust law is itself a species of violence. Arrest for its breach is more so. Now the law of nonviolence says that violence should be resisted not by counter-violence but by nonviolence. This I do by breaking the law and by peacefully submitting to arrest and imprisonment.” ― Mahatma Gandhi, Non-violence in Peace and War 1942-49 “When EVIL men make bad laws, righteous men disobey them." Pastor Butch Paugh” ― Tarrin P. Lupo
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  5789. Mark Massingill 1. All those harms exist with prohibition. 2. All the harms you mentioned would be illegal anyway. 3. Actual real world evidence points to the fact that many countries used legalization to curb drug abuse, leading to less crime/driving under the influence of drugs. So yes, it's a positive outcome to legalize. >"As for mind altering substances that we don't understand and which are not necessary for life illegal is not immoral." Yes, it is immoral, no, drugs are not misunderstood. We test them all on animals and humans all the time. I know self-taught people who learned chemistry just to experiement new drugs on themselves. >"Any law that could lead to direct harm I'd agree was immoral and needed to be fought.  Since it is completely possible to live without these substances, obeying the law while working to change opinion and change said laws is the best course of action, especially when ignoring them opens up and supports illegal markets, gang culture, very harmful cartel activity and so forth" I don't see how it's a person's fault the government forces him/her to buy from shady dealers. Plus, you're conveniently ignoring personal growing/"cooking" of drugs. Making a "victimless crime" illegal, even if not needed, is immoral because it initiates aggression against non-violent people. >"old laws keeping African Americans in the back of the bus were.  There is a difference." There isn't. THEY INITIATED AGGRESSION AGAINST PEOPLE WHO DID NOT HARM ANYONE. THERE IS NO NEED TO SIT IN A SPECIFIC PART OF THE BUS - IT WAS STILL IMMORAL TO CRIMINALIZE A VICTIMLESS ACTION.
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  5792.  @chrisreynolds6143  and the Clintons were friends with Robert Byrd. What you're saying reminds me of Enoch Powell speaking against immigration and then being blamed for assaults against Pakistanis living in Britain. In an interview he was getting cornered with the same type of argument to which he responded: "I am not going to start condemning the behaviour of people who are condemned by their own actions [...] I am not going to be put in the absurd position of dissociating myself from people who have nothing to do with me and whom I have never met and do not know." And you know why he said that? Because of this: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2016/03/01/donald-trump-and-david-duke-for-the-record/?utm_term=.6d860b8b5c08 By no means am I saying it's the most comprehensive list of statements Trump has made about David Duke. Yeah it's strange that he was aware of David Duke in the 90's and not anymore. But he has disavowed Duke. Could you accuse him of having hesitated on Feb 28 2016? Surely. I'll take it. But he has disavowed Duke. But yet you still claim he didn't. That's what happens when you are put in the absurd position of having to dissociate yourself from all the bad elements that could somehow be linked to you. Even if everyone was 100% on the same page about Duke, would Trump be excused from any accusation of being a white supremacist? Of course not. Trump could personally hunt down Duke and kill him with his bare hands and people would just say they faked it so that Trump can pretend he isn't racist.
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  5804. "There were more guns in the Soviet countryside during his reign than in the US" Stolen Red Army stuff doesn't count because it wasn't obtained legally, and from the sheer economic and industrial standpoint it's simply not possible. The US had 101.5 guns per 100 people in like 2006, with the gun sales under the Obama administration I've seen values quoted as high as 112 per 100. It's simply not possible that typical "countryside weapons" were produced at a rate higher than their own population. And like, if there were indeed that many guns, then there would be at least documented records or even living witnesses of state agents getting blasted in the chest whenever they tried to starve entire villages by stealing their grain or taking people into Gulags. "me and my Ukranian family will die anyway and we have more guns than people but let's not shoot these Russian fuckers" - sounds like totally something that would happen "More legitimate states were toppled by an armed populace than saved" That's a intellectually dishonest statement because all states are legitimate as long as they're the de facto ruling state. North Korea is a legitimate state because it has a legitimate claim over the territories to the North. The North Vietnamese, upon unification with the South, became the recognized state of the whole Vietnam by virtue of conquest, hence legitimate. Israel is a legitimate state. Iran is a legitimate state. Britain was the legitimate state ruling over it's colonies, and it was brought down by the American revolutionary war. It was a legitimate state toppled, and I don't see anyone crying about it. A state being legitimate doesn't mean it's "good".
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  5816. Boat >"These people do not join ISIS because of America" And where the fuck did I say they are joining solely because of America? What's your major malfunction? >"They are even recruiting Americans today" Americans who certainly love America, right? No, they're recruiting the disfranchised, those we were let down and those who would have no issue turning against America. Whenever America kills people, you're proving their wacko theories right. Their extremist leaders told them that the US murders people and you want the US to give them exactly what they want - recruitment material. >"despite us not being in Syria and out of Iraq" Oh, wow. 1. Syria is important because they don't want Assad and they hate people of his ethnic group but at the same time they do not want the Qatar funded rebels taking it. If the rebels take Syria, Europe will be able to buy natural gas from Qatar by pipeline through Turkey and stop giving money to Putin. The US has a vested interest in eliminating The US "is" in Syria because they tried to fund and arm "moderate" rebels and turns out they're fucking ISIS. Again, intervention. 2. The US has been in Iraq for almost a decade. I'm sure they still hold a grudge. >"pacifism" 0/10 Buy me gun and plane ticket and I'd gladly fight for Kurdistan. The problem is that a) the US has no legitimate right to invade Iraq or pretend to be the world's police; b) my own opinions about ISIS doesn't mean I have the right to force other people to go die in a foreign country; c) why are you so itchy about sending Americans to die? You wish for American youth to get killed. Why are you so anti-American?
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  5828. Brad Bisinger I'm not placing goalposts anywhere. I am being honest to the best of my abilities and reading into what's being discussed, you are just all over the place and can't seem to be able to understand a sentence. >Just because you seem to think that a woman who is having casual sex is hurting herself Strawman argument, I never stated that. Again, you don't seem to have understood a single sentence of what I said. >Why is it that men aren't hurting themselves? .. because they're vile and perverts by your definition? For some reason though women can't be perverts Again, you're misrepresenting the argument. If a man sleeps around with women he's the villain, and this is felt across society. Not just some group. Name anything positive about that trope. 007 is a misogynist (which even Judi Dench's M tells him). The stereotypical guy in a band that sleeps around is seen as a bum and no parents want them dating their daughter. There's nothing positive. Which is why there's so few of them and it usually involves having a ton of money/being famous. >I didn't say men are always oppressors. I didn't say all men are oppressors "the reality is that men often ARE oppressors of women" Yezus H. Christo. You sure did make it sound like you said those things. >but men in power often do Oh. But women are the majority and hold greater voting power. And those in power usually appeal to women to gain votes. Obama's ad about voting that made it sound like losing virginity? The multiple bills that benefit women in terms of custody, lower the alimony debt a man has to have before it's considered a felony, etc. not to mention the opposition to gender neutral rape laws or the provisions to allow male circumcision in anti-genital mutilation legislation. The fact is, government is indeed composed by a lot of men - so why are feminists running to the government to solve their problems? >You don't have to look hard at the world to see which gender is in control Have unprotected sex and call me back on that one. You'll see who'll have a dog collar on the neck 9 months afterwards. Women can get you sent to the HR department because the stuff you put on your desk is "inappropriate" (and we live in a Victorian era in which women can't even be exposed to anything less dignifying or they'll faint) but they can read Fifty Shades of Grey on the job, on the bus, on the park, whatever.
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  5864.  @notpinhead3514  first things first, I have no idea which fan speeds and types of fans you're using but I noticed you're running 3 exhaust and 2 intakes. It's not a huge deal, but it's possible that you're extracting more air from the case than is going in through the intake fans, which is typically called a "negative pressure" system. Rather than explaining it poorly I'm going to point to this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a12aDCxrcts I don't know which kind of RX 580, it might be a "blower" reference card (one radial fan that blows through a heatsink and the air comes out the case) or a "custom"/"aftermarket"/"partner" card which is sold by a brand that uses a different cooler design, typically two and sometimes three axial fans. At this point it's kinda complex because of all the variables regarding the airflow, your type of videocard cooler and the size of your case. If you have a way to actually see how the air is moving through the case like demonstrated in the video it might help pick your new intake/exhaust setup. In case your cooling system is actually working well, air is going in and out without issue, I'd recommend cleaning the dust and replacing thermal paste if you haven't. In case of your GPU, if you're going to try cleaning your videocard take the chance to look at the thermal pads and see if they're all crummy and worn. Your local PC hardware store might have replacement thermal pads in stock, but make sure you get ones with the same thickness as your original ones. If you're looking to replace the cooler there's the Hyper 212: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VNjkDoYZYjU (tested on a Ryzen 5 1600 - dropped from 63 to 52 degrees at load).
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  5868. ***** >"Hey, whatever reason you're so terrified at the idea of being man-handled" Nice strawman. >"you can't deny you are clearly more obsessed with it than the rest of us who aren't constantly training for that event" The rest of you? You know how many fucking people do Judo, Krav Maga, Jeet Kune Do, fucking Tae Kwon Do, Karate, even Brazilian Jiu Jitsu? BJJ is as popular as Karate was in the 80's. You know how many highschool/college wrestlers there are? I don't even do it for self-defense purposes, I've transcended that phase altogether. I wanted a hobby and being fit has the added benefit of looking good naked. Now I actually want to compete because I'm decent at fighting. Now, not doing it for defensive purposes doesn't mean I can't use my skills that way, but I am digressing. Look at how popular gyms are these days. Fucking push up bras? We got push up jeans now. We got sneakers that claim to make your ass better by targeting that muscle group. Men get middle age crisis and buy cars. Women wear heels, do plastic surgery, wear makeup. We're all a bunch of fakers pretending to be someone better than we are, getting offended at everything so that people notice how "tolerant", portraying a life we don't have on facebook and we're the ones obsessed? We're the ones compensating? Look at yourself in the mirror. Then look at everyone else. Do that before bringing the magnifying glass to gun owners. Fucking hell. After getting involved in the gun rights discussion, I met a ton of gay and bi men, transgender people, women who just don't have a chance at fending off some 200lb >6' brute (despite what Hollywood fight scenes would have you believe), ethnic minorities. There's even the Pink Pistols, "armed gays don't get bashed", the whole nine yards. I met people who have been tossed around all their lives, and to you they're just compensating. Get real.
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  5875. @Drew Peacock "If you're carrying out low-level CAS" - Well there's your first issue right there. "with a gun you need to fly relatively slow and have good loiter time" - Those are unrelated things but okay. If Strike Eagle drivers can do gun runs at night (and their gun is canted 2º "up") I don't see why a F-35 can't. "The F-35 flies too fast" - So does the F-16, F/A-18 and F-15E but those get plenty of CAS. How come the F-35 is the only aircraft that can't do the job everyone else is doing? "doesn't carry enough rounds" - It carries 18 thousand pounds of ordnance though. You've seen those small diameter bombs? That's a lot of boom boom. "It has an armoured cockpit, the F-35 doesn't." - Okay, but armor on critical areas doesn't change the fact that you were wrong about the "thin skinned" remark. "Are you seriously suggesting using an F-35 for low-level CAS?" - Are you seriously suggesting that CAS can only be performed at low level? "For starters an F-35 isn't suited to this role" - Why? "why risk losing such a complex aircraft performing this role? " - The pilot is worth more than the aircraft. If you send an A-10 into the modern battlefield, you're risking the pilot's life. Remember, nearly 30 years ago it got a bloody nose from the Iraqi Republican Guard and Chuck Horner decided to pull them out, relegating them to missions against the less proficient Iraqi army units. That was 30 years ago. You think it's safer now? It's worse! Who cares if the plane cost 30 million or 80 million? You can force the taxpayer to pay more next year, tell the Fed to print more money, but pilots don't grow on trees. So the question is, why risk a pilot's life by sending an ageing, outdated aircraft that got sucker-punched three decades ago by minimally competent forces?
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  5876. @Drew Peacock jesus what a wall of text. "Firstly not all CAS is carried out from altitude otherwise the A-10 wouldn't exist" - Sorry to burst your bubble, but the reason the A-10 exists is a complete clusterfuck. The A-7 was a great CAS aircraft, but the human in the loop depended on observers and ground controllers because it was difficult to spot targets on the ground. The Army was also requesting that a CAS aircraft should be slow enough to escort helicopters. This created the "low and slow" requirement, which was a temporary solution for a temporary problem as modern sensors allow pilots to spot targets from altitude better than they can do from low altitude with their eyes. The reason the A-10 exists is due to airplanes outpacing the human, so we had to send pilots with underperforming aircraft so they could keep up. Now the human can keep up. "It doesn't carry enough rounds" - 18k pounds my dude. "it doesn't have enough loiter time" - In a modern battlefield the A-10 cannot loiter. "why risk losing an expensive, complex F-35" - Why risk a pilot? You send an A-10 out, it's a death sentence. "How are they unrelated?" - Because even with the A-10s capacity you have a limited number of trigger pulls. "it flies too fast" - So you're conveniently ignoring how fast jets perform gun runs, so you fixate on number of rounds, and then go back to the F-35 to complain about speed? "if an A-10 is lost, it's cheaper to replace than an F-35" - You've lost the pilot. That was worse than the aircraft. Factories can pump out aircraft. It takes years to make a pilot. "Too fast for low-level gun-based CAS" - Again, fast jets perform gun runs. Stop ignoring the facts. "The F-35 could carry out CAS from altitude. It would be terrible though at low-level CAS." - Fighters comparable to the F-35 do low level CAS. Why are you ignoring the facts? "What's that got to do with anything when you need to carry out gun-based CAS" - We've literally developed small diameter bombs that do the job of a gun run. "Yes it is. But no good if a gun is needed." - Why is a gun needed? Smaller danger close radius. What did we come up with? Bombs with self-limited blast range. "even if hit by a MANPADS the pilot may be able to safely eject, which may not necessarily be the case with an F-35 which is thin-skinned all over." - All planes are thin skinned. You've been called out on this, at least say what you mean rather than use misleading statements. The proof is in the pudding - the A-10 suffered enough losses in 1991 to be grounded and pulled out of the hardest missions. "The A-10 also has the huge advantage that it was intended to fly from forward air bases and semi-prepared runways" - Turboprops are even better suited for that job, are even cheaper to operate and are just a a tad bit slower. "Why you want to use an F-35 in this role" - The problem is you thinking that a very niche role is still relevant. "I've already listed all the reasons why an F-35 isn't suited to low-level CAS. I'm not going to repeat them again if you can't be bothered to properly read my comments." - And I've already addressed why every single of your concerns isn't valid. Fast jets do CAS. The A-10 has been replaced already. The F-35 is also survivable thanks to redundancy and making itself hard to hit in the first place. Newer weapons have been designed to do the job of the gun from a distance with precision. If the F-35 does need to perform gun runs, the fact that other fast jets do it already means that it will be able to do it too. All things considered, you claim the F-35 is not suited for the role and then ignore how similar jets have been doing it for the past two decades. "There are times when CAS can be carried out from altitude and other times when you need to carry out low-level gun-based CAS." - And why? To spare yourself the frustration, I'll answer - smaller danger close radius with the gun. That's it. We came up with bombs with self-limiting blast range. Hell, at this point I hope they stick rocket pods under the wings and add the IR guidance kit to 2.75 inch rockets with flechettes. There you go, precision guided rockets that shred meat targets with lower collateral than a bomb. A smart gun run. Problem solved. "More deflection, answer the question." - It's not a deflection. If your idea of fighting a war is losing planes, you already lost. I'll take the expensive plane because cheap can get pilots killed. "Of course, that applies to any aircraft. Pilots know what they're getting into when they sign up." - Now that is deflection. No, it doesn't apply to any aircraft. The A-10 suffered twice the losses of the F-16 in 1991 despite the F-16 performing more CAS missions. "What point are you making? It makes no sense to send pilots to a certain death or into situations where they're almost certain to get shot down" - Yes, it doesn't make sense to send A-10s against minimally trained forces. "Again, what point are you making? " - That sending the 30 million dollar plane is going to cost you dearly. "What does any of this have to do with the fact that an F-35 would be atrocious at low-level CAS? If A-10s can't survive certain low-level CAS scenarios, F-35s would be even less survivable." - Again, fast jets perform low level CAS, which is a role that has become obsolete and is only relevant to fight a counter insurgency against people wearing flip flops. You claim the F-35 is atrocious, but comparable aircraft have already replaced the A-10. And like I mentioned before, the F-16 was more survivable in 1991 as it suffered 3 losses and the A-10 7 losses despite the F-16 carrying out more missions. "But you want to use F-35s instead, which are even less well protected than A-10s" - The F-16 is also less protected, and had lower losses. Hmmm. "A-10s are the best aircraft for the job" - They've been replaced. All they do is done by others. "As for F-35s though, they aren't suited to the low-level CAS role at all." - again, WHY? - Fast jets do CAS - Fast jets do gun runs - Fast jets have done more CAS than the A-10 and suffered less losses - The A-10 mission profile and capabilities make it more vulnerable - the A-10 isn't more survivable because it's armored, it's armored because it's likely to get hit - Flying low level was a requirement for CAS when it was difficult to see the battle from above, making low level CAS an obsolete mission profile - Low level CAS/gun runs are literally only required because of the lower danger close radius of cannon shells versus bombs, and we have devised bombs with self-limited blast range All your points of contention don't match reality because what you claim isn't possible is very possible and has been done for almost two decades. 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  5877.  @sadwingsraging3044  Whoa there's countries with a defense budget of 80 million? I think they have bigger worries than what the US sends to perform a mission. If you think you're saving money by sending pilots in flying coffins you've already lost the logistical side of the war. The F-4 did not need a gun. The Navy didn't add it and they had what, a 6 to 1 kill ratio versus MiGs? The USAF got 90 percent of their kills by missile. The biggest usefulness of the gun was ironically ground attack, like the Marines did by sticking multiple gun pods under the wings. Before calling anyone a tard, maybe realize that the F-4 was built as the defender of the fleet, an interceptor, you need to destroy the enemy at range before it gets close enough to attack the carrier. If you need to get close enough to a guns kill, you've already failed the mission. So obviously the F-4 did not need it. Nobody was a tard for recognizing the priorities in the naval interceptor mission, that's just being smart. Then the F-4 was forced into roles that it shouldn't have taken on, and succeeded despite all odds. The F-4 is still known as the world's largest distributor of MiG parts. In interviews actual F-4 pilots stated that the addition of the gun was a reassurance, but in reality it shifted weight to the front of the airplane and forced the use of a smaller radar. All that for a measly 5 kills with the F-4E internal gun. "These ultra expensive missiles are the future man" - The F-4 in USAF service scored 86 kills with missiles. 5 with the internal gun on the F-4E. The Navy scored 40 kills with no guns. You may laugh now.
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  5906.  @elitedima9672  "Stealth technology is exaggerated." - and yet both Russia and China is implementing it. "Serbians shot down F-117" - due to 1) careless flight planning making the F-117 flights predictable 2) short engagement distance 3) bomb bay that was stuck open and broke stealth 4) lack of RWR, the pilot only knew he was targeted when he saw a missile breaking through the clouds. The fact that the feat hasn't been replicated ever since is a testament to how difficult it was. "Russian advancement in radar technology" - radar technology is a very broad statement. Stealth aircraft redirect some radar energy due to their angular faces and absorb some radar energy in their coating. You cannot detect energy that doesn't bounce back. Unless the Russians have managed to break the laws of physics, "radar technology" is just simply too vague. "infrared search and tracking systems" - stealth aircraft have reduced IR signature compared to conventional aircraft "electronic counter measures" - Is this a joke? If you beam anything at an aircraft you have signed your own death warrant because you never know if a flight is carrying missiles that can home-on-jam. "F-35 is supposed to replace A-10 warthog, which means it is mainly designed for ground-attack purpose" - the F-16, F-15 Strike Eagle, B1, etc already largely replaced the A-10, which receives less and less CAS missions. Neither the F-16 or the F-15 were designed mainly for ground-attack purpose so your argument doesn't even make sense and I don't even understand what you're trying to say. Your first link: it wasn't a "dogfight test". It was a flight test using an old version of the software. Those test results helped refine the control software so that the plane doesn't bleed as much energy when coming in and out of high AoA maneuvers. Your medium links are for War is Boring, which is as credible as Buzzfeed. Please. Real exercises show that the F-35 wipes the floor with the competition. Meanwhile salty soyboys write disparaging articles on their glorified blogs. Who do I trust? The powerful aircraft capable of destroying anything in it's way? Or the Buzzfeed rejects passing themselves off as military analysts?
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  5907.  @Lonewolfmike  "It does matter when it takes forever to turn your aircraft" - you're confusing turn radius for turn rate. "The A-10 has a much tighter turn radius than an F-35 could ever dream of and that is fact" - And the F-35 is a better plane and that's a fact. There's facts to support any argument you want, what matters is correctly using them in context. Within context, turn radius is not that important. You could probably get a better turn radius out of an acrobatic biplane. So what? "a tighter turn radius means more to troops on the ground than all the fancy electronics an F-35 has" - bullshit lol. With all the friendly fires involving A-10s they should be worried about the man in the sky accurately telling friend from foe and not how many feet it takes to make a turn. If the guy up there takes a tight turn to then blast you to bits by mistake because his situational awareness is lower, electronics start to make a whole lot of sense. "an F-35, to my knowledge has not been used for close ground support." - and the F-22 has never shot an air target down. So what? "And the A-10 had been PROVEN to be of great help to ground troops" - it also has been proven to be worse than the F-16, F-15 Strike Eagle, F/A-18, etc. "Watch this and you will see why an A-10 is so much better at ground support" - Really, a history channel documentary? Not to beat a dead horse by questioning the History Channel's accuracy (because that is a concern) but right from the gate they interview Pierre Sprey, who is considered a lunatic and a paid shill who has appeared multiple times on RT aka Putin's propaganda machine (not saying "MuH RuSsiA" but if Putin doesn't want the US to trust the F-35, it's because it's an amazing aircraft). He also got demolished in a debate with 'Chip' Burke, former pilot and JTAC who both flew the top fighter aircraft in USAF inventory but also fought on the ground with special operations teams. The rest of the documentary is basic-bitch information for any newcomer to aviation. Sorry, but a History Channel documentary that seems to have been made at least 15 years ago isn't the best source to state your case when real world combat records prove that the A-10 is hopelessly outdated and has been on life support for too long.
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  5923.  @VikingRul3s  are ATX/Mini-ATX standards enforced by law? Are USB standards enforced by law? "I don't hear anyone complaining about the difference between Xbox and PSs settings menu..." - Fortunately for console users, the console itself is mostly a "closed system" that you're not expected to fudge with. Meanwhile, I built my PC so that means I simply can't go to the store and get a return for a working model if there's a problem. My x58 system looped the boot sequence like 6 times every time I wanted to turn the computer on and coming out of a sleep would freeze the computer forcing a hard reset. The culprit? After many hours trying to troubleshoot the issue to no avail, it seems like the mass of the CPU cooler bent the motherboard and disabled the third memory channel, which caused my computer to detect that 12GBs were available but only 8GB were used. Since the computer detected a faulty memory it would loop the boot sequence to see if it was possible to use that RAM and then give up and just not use it. Removing the memory from the third channel fixed the issue at the cost of 4GB that I wasn't able to anyway. Does the average console user have to deal with this? No. But I don't mind being my own tech support. I do mind that I spent hours trying to find equivalent BIOS settings when I assumed the problem was memory profiles rather than a physical bending moment applied to the motherboard borking my whole system. "So you are using guides not designed for your board" - I'm not using "guides". I'm way past guides. There was a problem with my memory and I could not access a specific setting that could be the culprit for a missing memory channel. The issue was "solvable" because apparently losing a memory channel due to CPU coolers is a chronic issue with x58 motherboards, but if my problem was an incorrect memory profile I'd be fucked. I want to troubleshoot my system. My BIOS wouldn't allow me to do so even though most people with similar problems was able to. "Well use the manual like i said" - Buddy... the manual didn't spell out "oh by the way we all fucked up while designing our boards so if you put too much weight on the socket you'll lose an entire memory system, asshole". "You don't expect you can figure out how to fight a F16 in a F15 flight simulator without some help?" - Just saying, but the F-16 and F-15 are the kind of stuff you purchase through contract and you can have your order tailored to your needs, which is sort of a closed package, and then if you need upgrades you go to the manufacturer to secure a new package. You don't build them off parts unless you've been embargoed. Considering that computer parts are all manufactured to have a degree of compatibility with each other and there's millions of possible combinations, there should be a focus on standardizing the experience unlike two totally different aircraft for totally different purposes from different manufacturers that have very minor parts interchangeability.
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  5976. @Comic Book Guy they did describe it as a composite made from observations made under a specific range of the radiation spectrum. Maybe you missed it, maybe the reporting was shoddy at the source you read, but they weren't trying to mislead anyone. "that's why the digital camera analogy is false; the camera records the actual light-wave data" - you do realize that to a sensor it doesn't fucking matter if the light is invisible or not, right? Point a TV remote at a camera. You'll see a purple glow unless the manufacturer put a filter because the sensor will see that light and interpret it as purple. There's even cameras with a slight night vision mode, they don't work as light intensifiers like in NVGs but allow you do see a green tint that allows you to see things that you wouldn't see on a normal camera. Because we humans are limited to a "visible spectrum" we typically consider visible light different from the rest of radiation. But if we had cones that interpreted IR we'd call IR "visible light" too. Some animals see IR. Light-wave data is not different from any other radiation wave data other than the fact that we can actually see it with our own eyes. I used digital cameras for my analogy and not film photography because we specifically made film to react to visible light (although radiation damage can be observed on film, I know there's artifacts on pictures taken on Chernobyl right after the disaster and film that traveled through space will wash out the colors but you get what I am saying), I am not very knowledgeable on photography but I am sure we could change the chemicals on film to make them react to a broader spectrum. Meanwhile digital cameras can pick up outside the visible spectrum and if you want them to not pick up IR you'll actually have to put a filter before the sensor. Look at FLIR imaging or images taken by a modern IR homing missile. It's a camera. It picks up a spectrum we cannot see. The camera doesn't care for the limits on human vision. It does what it was designed to do. "There's no such thing as radio-wave-light" - "In physics, the term light sometimes refers to electromagnetic radiation of any wavelength, whether visible or not.[5][6] In this sense, gamma rays, X-rays, microwaves and radio waves are also light." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Light Have you ever heard of the Dunning-Kruger effect?
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  6471.  @ImNoBSING  "I do not mean you are far left." - Then what? Why does the far left matter? "I mean the service is in that good popularity" - Then it doesn't need to be mandatory. "The mindset is that if you do not care to put effort for your country's security, you do not deserve it either." - Okay. Does Finland allow for a person to provide for their own security? "once you get out of school and start working, it is quite hard to detach from that life. Being mandatory, it opens up for more people." - Sounds like an excuse to me. "But you do understand that training everybody to use a gun" - Using a gun is something that needs to be continuously trained. "basic tactics will make the country quite hard to conquer in the long run?" - Basic tactics will get you killed. Want to make the country hard to conquer? Train the populace to be terrorists. Make the enemy soldier suffer 20 casualties per day from suicide, like the Americans in the Middle East. Make them bleed a trillion dollars. You use basic tactics against an army, you get cut down by mortars and machine gun fire quick. "Also, do you think paid mercenaries would stick around when the real war against a large country like Russia was coming?" - You think Russia doesn't have the manpower to push through conscripts in a conventional battle? All a conventional battle would do is delay the advance until the Americans arrive. "If you mix today's peacekeeping with neo-colonizing, you are little lost" - No, you are. It's all moneyed interest. Aid and peacekeeping is leverage. "They are just killing crazy fundamentalists, doing good." - Doing good? The wars have never been good. If killing fundamentalists worked then how come the Middle East is a mess? Why does killing them only create more? You say your country sends troops to keep them fresh, to test gear and tactics. You have money, they have nothing. You have pipes, they walk miles for fresh water. Sending people to war for sport, to "test" them. And say it doesn't matter that you're killing because the people you kill are wrong. Are you sure you're not the fundamentalist?
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  6472.  @ImNoBSING  The only people who are offended are the ones who come at me and keep saying "No, we love being ordered around by the state!". You were the one who felt the need to tell me how much people love it. And I said, if you people love it so much it shouldn't be enforced by law. "Nicely bounced one argument as an excuse. And you did not have a job and all sorts of things to do when you were 18 years old? It is a fact that business usually goes before bush." - I don't even understand what this means because you structure your sentences in the stereotypical nordic fashion. What job? You're saying you had a job so you need mandatory service so that you can be in the military without losing your job? I don't understand what you mean. "But time-tested solution is to kill rats" - How humanitarian. "they exist because they have no good goverment or military forces to keep the region in check" - It's often the military that causes trouble. "Maybe not your foes, but many, many other peoples foes and that is why they are not liked, and thus are being killed." - How many Finish conscripts were sent to fight ISIS? "You also seem to preach ethics of bodily autonomy while totally neglecting national independency" - If you put national independency above bodily autonomy then you've paved the way for tyrants. Are you seriously arguing that people shouldn't have rights because of national independence? All the national independence will not be worth a damn in a country where the state has a claim over your body. "For our country conscription is the right choice" - Again, you claim people love to serve. So why is it the right choice? You don't need to make it mandatory. "Either stop deflecting someone elses responsibilities or study why Finland has chosen conscription.." - I'm not deflecting anything. I have picked liberty. You have picked allegiance to a state that sees you as its property.
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  6596.  @j4v-cyberpunk-music  The issue is that aircraft need to keep weight down considering that they need to expend energy to stay aloft. So they're built as light as possible. They are sturdy. But they are rated to tens of thousands of hours, and as they approach the limit they start to require overhauls. You could design a stout aircraft that would last forever, but the performance would be terrible due to excess weight. Yes, typically welded constructions are considered to be physically one to simplify design considerations but welds are important stress concentration areas. Especially in aircraft, which have much more stringent control than most produced goods. If you create excessive load on a welded structure the weld is the most probable location for failure. Even disregarding the weld, a solid piece will fail with cyclic loading. It's called fatigue. Spare parts often cannot be produced continuously. For example Sikorsky has stated they will not support certain parts for some ANG Black Hawks because they were produced to too old of a standard. There's multiple, more modern variants of Black Hawks that they need to support and they cannot waste time and resources dedicated to limited runs of obsolete parts when they have so much on their plate. So the ANG has to take the schematics and contract a limited production run. This is expensive. If you reach a point there's too many parts that are being contracted out the only options are cannibalizing old airframes if they exist or just retire them. Imagine asking Intel to keep producing a Pentium 3. They'd refuse.
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  6671.  @TK-hw2ph  "the more durable" - Maybe in the 1970s. A Tunguska will shred an A-10 apart, and even those ones have been superseded by Pantsirs. "is slower making it more reliable for CLOSE air support" - This comes from an antiquated thought process. Fast moving aircraft made it difficult to maintain visual with targets for the re-attack when flying low. However, technology has improved. Pilots can now use mark points to "save" known enemy positions that make it easier to retain visual or even be able to pay attention to other threats without having to lose track of where they need to drop ordnance. In fact, the modern helmet used by A-10 pilots has the feature where they can look outside HUD limits and pin down mark points without having to point the aircraft or input coordinates manually. During the A-7D vs YA-10 flyoff the pilots thought the A-7D was the superior aircraft for unrestricted visibility flight conditions but the YA-10 had the upper hand when they were forced to fly low due to cloud ceiling. If that flyoff was done today with modern tech, the A-7D would have the upper hand with unrestricted visibility and no downsides if forced to fly low thanks to no worries about losing visual. "Even F16’s are often moving too fast for their targeting pods to be useful" - Uh, what? You don't have to fly straight past the target point and lose it, you can orbit around while looking through the pod as long as you stay within gimbal limits. Yes, it's a soda straw view from above, but that's why CAS has ground controllers for. Either way, the A-10 relies extensively on the targeting pod too. "Bombs usually cannot be used inside of 3-400 meters" - The A-10 is actually the biggest fixed-wing user of APKWS. The 2.75" rocket has a much lower danger radius than a 500lb bomb.
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  6744. "The guy in Las Vegas wouldn't have killed nearly as many people if he had used knives instead of guns" - the problem is that knives are not a proper mass casualty event weapon. Compare it to a truck bomb or something. Either way, the attackers in France also got their hands on guns so... when someone has money you can't easily stop them because funding gets weapons. "would have been as dramatic without the policies Australia put in place." - that's actually very debatable. De Leo, Dwyer, Firman & Neulinger,[47] studied suicide methods in men from 1979 to 1998 and found a rise in hanging suicides that started slightly before the fall in gun suicides. As hanging suicides rose at about the same rate as gun suicides fell, it is possible that there was some substitution of suicide methods. It has been noted that drawing strong conclusions about possible impacts of gun laws on suicides is challenging, because a number of suicide prevention programs were implemented from the mid-1990s onwards, and non-firearm suicides also began falling.[48] Baker, Jeanine; McPhedran, Samara (18 October 2006). “Gun Laws and Sudden Death: Did the Australian Firearms Legislation of 1996 Make a Difference?”. British Journal of Criminology. 47 (3): 455–469.doi:10.1093/bjc/azl084. Suicide reduction from firearm regulation is disputed by Richard Harding in his book “Firearms and Violence in Australian Life”[49] where, after reviewing Australian statistics, he said that “whatever arguments might be made for the limitation or regulation of the private ownership of firearms, suicide patterns do not constitute one of them” Harding quoted international analysis by Newton and Zimring[50] of twenty developed countries which concluded at page 36 of their report; “cultural factors appear to affect suicide rates far more than the availability and use of firearms. Thus, suicide rates would not seem to be readily affected by making firearms less available.“ Harding, Richard (1981). Firearms and Violence in Australian Life. Perth: University of Western Australia Press. p. 119. ISBN 0 85564 190 8 Newton, George; Zimring, Franklin (1968). "Firearms and Violence in American Life” (PDF). Report Submitted to the National Commission on the Causes & Prevention of Violence. Retrieved 8 February 2016. In 2005 the head of the New South Wales Bureau of Crime Statistics and Research, Don Weatherburn,[51] said that the level of legal gun ownership in NSW increased in recent years, and that the 1996 legislation had little to no effect on violence. Professor Simon Chapman, former coconvenor of the Coalition for Gun Control, complained that his words “will henceforth be cited by every gun-lusting lobby group throughout the world in their perverse efforts to stall reforms that could save thousands of lives”.[52] Weatherburn responded, “The fact is that the introduction of those laws did not result in any acceleration of the downward trend in gun homicide. They may have reduced the risk of mass shootings but we cannot be sure because no one has done the rigorous statistical work required to verify this possibility. It is always unpleasant to acknowledge facts that are inconsistent with your own point of view. But I thought that was what distinguished science from popular prejudice.”[53] Weatherburn, Don. “Statistics and gun laws”, The Sydney Morning Herald, 1 November 2005. Accessed 10 August 2010 In 2006, the lack of a measurable effect from the 1996 firearms legislation was reported in the British Journal of Criminology. Using ARIMA analysis, Dr Jeanine Baker and Dr Samara McPhedran, researchers with the International Coalition for Women in Shooting and Hunting (WiSH), found little evidence for an impact of the laws on homicide, but did for suicide.[54] Baker, Jeanine; McPhedran, Samara (18 October 2006). “Gun Laws and Sudden Death: Did the Australian Firearms Legislation of 1996 Make a Difference?”. British Journal of Criminology. 47 (3): 455–469.doi:10.1093/bjc/azl084. Subsequently, a study by McPhedran and Baker compared the incidence of mass shootings in Australia and New Zealand. Data were standardised to a rate per 100,000 people, to control for differences in population size between the countries and mass shootings before and after 1996/1997 were compared between countries. That study found that in the period 1980–1996, both countries experienced mass shootings. The rate did not differ significantly between countries. Since 1996-1997, neither country has experienced a mass shooting event despite the continued availability of semi-automatic longarms in New Zealand. The authors conclude that “the hypothesis that Australia’s prohibition of certain types of firearms explains the absence of mass shootings in that country since 1996 does not appear to be supported… if civilian access to certain types of firearms explained the occurrence of mass shootings in Australia (and conversely, if prohibiting such firearms explains the absence of mass shootings), then New Zealand (a country that still allows the ownership of such firearms) would have continued to experience mass shooting events.”[58] McPhedran, Samara; Baker, Jeanine (2011). “Mass shootings in Australia and New Zealand: A descriptive study of incidence”. Justice Policy Journal. 8 (1). A 2008 study on the effects of the firearm buybacks by Wang-Sheng Lee and Sandy Suardi of The Melbourne Institute of Applied Economic and Social Research at the University of Melbourne studied the data and concluded, “Despite the fact that several researchers using the same data have examined the impact of the NFA on firearm deaths, a consensus does not appear to have been reached. In this paper, we re-analyze the same data on firearm deaths used in previous research, using tests for unknown structural breaks as a means to identifying impacts of the NFA. The results of these tests suggest that the NFA did not have any large effects on reducing firearm homicide or suicide rates.”[60] Lee, Wang-Sheng; Suardi, Sandy (2010). “The Australian Firearms Buyback and Its Effect on Gun Deaths”. Contemporary Economic Policy. 28(1): 65–79. doi:10.1111/j.1465-7287.2009.00165.x. "The reality is that stricter gun laws usually result in fewer gun deaths." - not really. Plenty of country with strict gun control laws like Brazil or Mexico have strict gun control laws and gun homicide is rampant. https://www.insightcrime.org/news/analysis/does-strict-gun-legislation-reduce-violent-crime-in-latam/ "In short, a regulated approach may reduce gun ownership and have an impact on petty crime and casual violence, but gun legislation alone will do little to reign in the criminal groups responsible for the rampant violence in the region’s most murderous areas."
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  6831. @Commie 1776 "I've studied the subject for most of my life, so I know what I'm talking about" - last time I talked to a your kind I was called a conspiracy theorist for bringing up the fact that Nazis started digging up their own mass graves and burning the bodies when they came across Soviet mass graves and realized that holes in the dirt don't hide evidence of crimes. Just one of your "experts" who called bs on a well documented historical event, and who stopped replying after I linked the sources. The funny thing is, he actually said that if that was true then Russia would have admitted the event was real after the breakup of the USSR. I pointed out that for the sake of easing tensions, the Soviet Union admitted to Poland the massacre was real and happened... before the breakup. in 1989. Embarrassing. Unfortunately we were shotgunning topics at each other in a comments section so he also stopped replying when I pointed out sources that studied Ukrainian population from the 1920s to the 1937 census and after taking into account forced and voluntary displacements, there were around 3 million people short - which means that despite a nominal population growth there were indeed millions of death due to famine and a million deaths that although the cause was disease, the fatality of the disease was exacerbated by the famine. Not to extend this much further, but I also pointed out that using population numbers to deny genocide is a classic Neo-Nazi tactic, and this idiotic motherfucker had the nerve to claim that as an anti-fascist he studied Neo-Nazi denial tactics extensively and had never heard of the population numbers being used as a denial tactic. That's the level of expertise you have on your ranks. Half of you people are clowns who think they're hot shit because you read a couple of books written by your people. I'm no historian. I'm not an expert at anything. I'm a dumb motherfucker. And yet I don't fall for your tricks. I don't care what Jimmy reads, he can read whatever he wants.
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  6957.  @earlwyss520  I got my timelines mixed, McNamara put a stop on the acquisition of more fixed wing such as the OV-1 Mohawk. However the Air Force did relinquish any claim to rotary wing fire support aircraft during McNamara's tenure. Aircraft used in Korea were obviously designed before 1953 due to the linear progression of time. I don't even understand how that's a point of contention. Of course they were ill suited, they were following doctrine inherited from the USAAF. You're talking about the government blocking the transfer because the Army cannot operate the A-10, which was a concept that was totally spitballed by a study resulting from the NDAA FY88-89 mandating a study. The USAF had their A-16 plans cancelled and was mandated by Congress to retain two A-10 wings, with four wings of F-16s retrofitted for CAS duties. After Desert Storm McPeak wanted to give CAS to the Army in return for ATACMS but he was outvoted by other service chiefs. A story being told with embellishments and omissions that certain people liked to promote, to sell books. And now the internet parrots it uncritically. "By scrapping or wanting to scrap the A-10 the USAF is in essence saying that it wants to abandon the CAS mission" - The USAF has scrapped F-16s, does this mean they're saying they want to abandon the fighter role? The USAF was criticized in a 1979 GAO report for buying too many A-10s. The last A-10s to be produced date from 1984. They were supposed to have had their replacement process started by 1993. It's complete nonsense to reject the reality that ageing aircraft need to be replaced. And the Air Force needs to make cuts somewhere. The A-10 is what makes more sense. It's essentially a single mission aircraft. It's the one that most desperately needs retirement. But the nostalgia and brainless politicians keep the zombified remains in the air and wasting money on the rebuilding of wings for an aircraft that deserved it's eternal rest two decades before. "Because if the much slower F-100 couldn't do the mission 55 years ago, then the faster F-16 can't do it now." - Look inside the F-100 cockpit. Now look at the F-16. Your concerns have no basis in reality considering that the A-10 did 20 percent of CAS since 2001 and 11 percent since 2014. Fast jets are doing CAS. You claim it's not possible. Something's wrong and it's not reality. You don't understand the fundamental problem so you attribute responsibilities to something that is tangible - like speed values.
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  7090.  @Van-Leo  "while not being able to acquire an army tank" - But you can get those. "but my comparison was more to the higher grade arms" - I can't crack open your head and know what you mean by this. Explain to me what these "grades" are. "there’s very little use to unload a full AR magazine into someone who broke in, it’s barely self defense at that point." - What are your qualifications to determine this? You can get semi-auto shotguns in the UK. You think dumping three rounds of buckshot isn't going to turn someone into hamburger? Unloading half a magazine from a Glock isn't going to mess someone up? How is the AR different? "the general public shouldn’t be the target audience" - Why? Then why have them around? "gun show markets that are barely doing any background checks" - This is a narrative you were sold. Vendors at gun shows are legally an extension of the FFL store, and by FEDERAL LAW they need to conduct background checks on every sale or they lose their federal license. People often used gun shows to conduct private sales, aka used gun sales. There wasn't internet back in the day. If you're against private sales, just say it. Don't go and say "gun show" because that's not what you're describing. "if you wanted to drive an 18 wheeler you’d need 200 hours of training experience" - Yeah. And if you had a loaded cannon pointing at everyone in public while a throttle pedal governed how close the lit match was to the fuse, you should probably have more than 200 hours of training. "I don’t understand why the same can’t be applied to guns, public and private and certified markets depending on job and practiced skill level." - Driving a vehicle is like shooting a gun. You don't need a license to own a vehicle. If you're in public with the gun out and blasting rounds at chest level, you should probably have a license to make sure you don't hit anyone. If it's inside your holster and you get penalized if you whip it out? Not my problem. It's like you had an unregistered car in your backyard and one day you decided to fuel it up and drive without a license. It wasn't our problem until you decided to make it a problem.
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  7117.  @granudisimo  "what do you think the aerosol is, but a high concentration of small droplets?" - For fuck's sake: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Airborne_transmission#Routes_of_transmission Airborne infections usually occur by the respiratory route, with the agent present in aerosols (infectious particles <5 µm in diameter)." https://www.who.int/news-room/commentaries/detail/modes-of-transmission-of-virus-causing-covid-19-implications-for-ipc-precaution-recommendations "Airborne transmission is different from droplet transmission as it refers to the presence of microbes within droplet nuclei, which are generally considered to be particles <5μm in diameter" "Masks are used successfully in operating rooms" - To prevent the staff from spitting pathogens into the open wound, not to curb viral infection. I recently had a surgery and had to get tested for COVID-19. Why would they do that if everyone in the room is wearing masks? Also, masks worn in clinical settings are not indicative of mask performance "in the wild". In the operating room the mask is worn as PPE, universal masking is being used as a fashion accessory. Touch them, stick them in your pocket, put it on again. It's completely impractical to wear masks as PPE in "real life". "is not out of whack because it's not an argument, it's empiric data" - Buddy you not getting what my comment meant, which is fine, is not empirical data. Maybe I'm distracted and my sentences don't make much sense, maybe you're not paying attention. Whatever. You misunderstood me and thought that I said droplets were smaller. No. In the context of airborne diseases, we consider aerosols to be smaller than droplets. A non-airborne disease would be easier to stop because shielding and masks would stop most droplets. But when we're indoors wearing masks the aerosolized particles and just floating. People coughing and sneezing will have their projected particles caught by the mask for the most part, but people without symptoms will just be shedding virus despite the mask. Your argument, which was asking me to prove something I never claimed is indeed completely nonsensical. "You were the one talking about asymptomatic carriers specifically." - Yes because people without symptoms are being forced to wear masks "you can scream at people's faces" - I don't do that. Maybe you do, but I don't. "help you get out of the pit of ignorance" - Amazing. Says the person who can't even tell the difference between aerosol and droplet transmission.
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  7122.  @Liam.keenlyside  "some crimes are done with illegally obtained guns, but not all" - Then why have a licensing system is licensed gun owners end up committing gun crimes? "On top of that, that less guns means it's harder to get guns" - Not true. Many countries with strict gun laws are flowing with guns. And many countries with very low numbers of guns have disgustingly high gun homicide rates. "it's easier for police forces to target criminals with guns." - Why? "legal gun owners do still commit crimes with their guns." - Again, then what the fuck is the point of the licensing system if it can't even properly vet gun owners? "australias firearm homicides were in a steady decline, but that decline did take a sharp term down and accelerated." LOL NO it was a straight line. https://libertarianben.files.wordpress.com/2012/08/australia.jpg "Then for the UK, do you know why it increased? It was largely do to the fact that the afterward any crime involving something that was believed to be a gun was then automatically grouped into firearm crime," - and still they had to sweep the real numbers under the rug https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/law-and-order/3222063/Gun-crime-60pc-higher-than-official-figures.html How about some evidence of gun crime increasing even after the standards were allegedly changed? https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/knife-gun-crime-stats-latest-england-wales-rise-increase-a8177161.html https://news.sky.com/story/gun-crime-rises-in-uk-in-last-year-with-more-than-9-700-cases-reported-11933150 https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-47157967 "even in brazil in Mexico, it is not the easiest thing in the world to get a gun, in most places, if you dont know someone and try to buy it off the street you'll just get robbed" - Cartels have no problem getting guns off police armories, and in Brazil people make submachine guns in garages. "Yes killing someone with a gun and a knife is very different, compared to the person that has to pull the trigger and the person that has to personally drive a knife into someone" - I'm sure the victim appreciates the difference. "Firearms are made to kill, have you heard "you can't fight fire with fire"?" - You can. Controlled burns are used to deplete the fuel and prevent a larger fire from continuing. Even explosions can be used to separate the flame from the fuel and temporarily consume the oxygen in the area in situations like oil fires. "All it creates is more death- US homicide rate 5.0. 5x the rate of most countries" - And some countries with strict gun control have 5x the gun homicide. But sure, let's compare the US, which has most of its gun crime concentrated in cities that are more similar to the Third World than developed countries, to countries with different conditions and lower gang activity.
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  7173.  @perperperpen  But that's not even an argument. We're not debating the reasons for crime, because guns aren't a reason to commit crime. Whatever the reason, criminals will obtain guns, and use them in violent countries. When gangs and criminal syndicates are caught in Europe, you often see tables with guns lined up and the criminals allowed themselves to be arrested without firing a shot. Meanwhile in the US, a criminal will shoot a cop who pulled him over just to tell him his tail light is out. Both types of criminals have access to guns, but very different levels of willingness to kill. The nation may be developed as a whole, but you go to some cities and it's honestly very similar to Brazil or Mexico. Did you see Seth Rogen's tweet to Casey Neistat about how his car has been broken into 15 times in LA? Is that acceptable for a developed nation? The 2010s happened just two years ago. We've spent most of 2020 and 2021 in and out of lockdowns. Not a lot of opportunities for mass killings. "What normal civilian even has access to a 3d printer that could print a gun?" - Ender 3, usually 180-200 bucks/euros on Amazon. "our laws will adapt" - Adapt to what? The law can't handle people doing whatever they want. "currently, it isnt an issue" - Telegram channels have started to sell 3d printed guns in Europe. "it would still literally be easier to go out and get an actual gun" - Okay, the point of the argument is assuming that you've made it hard. Now it's literally easier to make it at home. "Im not going to argue about hypothetical issues" - It's not hypothetical. It's reality. 3d printed guns are starting to get seized by police. "there's 400,000,000 estimated firearms in America, what's your point?" - That you can't get to them. "We could significantly lower that number." - How? You don't know where they are. You can't lower the number, only prevent it from increasing.
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  7360. +bandholm your assumptions are correct. However, it's important to know that a missile's rocket only typically has a boost phase, or a boost-sustain which typically give the missile around 10 seconds of powered flight. Outside that window, pilots often do what is called (if I'm not mistaken) an F-Pole maneuver, in which they force the missile to turn in a direction they don't want to go without actually increasing the rate of closure, and then turn into the intended direction. The unpowered missile is pretty much a glider on a ballistic path, and if it had to turn again it will bleed a lot of energy and become unable to keep with a plane. At close range the issue changes - although there's missiles capable of pulling 40 G's, when powered the missile is much faster which means the turn radius is much larger than a slower airplane. This means that a 9 G pulling airplane can out turn a missile capable of pulling hundreds of Gs. The issue is, modern missiles probably have computing power to work out the least stressful maneuver necessary to meet the airplane. So if you're pulling 9 Gs the missile won't try to follow your tail, it will turn in a predictive pursuit and then slam from the side (almost like an "S"). So it all comes down to how modern is the missile being fired. " anywere near the power to detect incoming missiles, at a range where they can outfly them" typically what aircraft use is a RWR, which is a passive sensor which does not need high power - it detects the radar emissions of either the launching aircraft or the incoming missile. The strength of modern missiles is that they can be fired in Track-While-Scan mode and have GPS/inertial navigation course corrections meaning they won't tell the victim that there's a radar lock until the missile is close, becomes independent and turns it's own locking radar on. Meanwhile, the F-35 actually has an always on passive electro-optical system with 360 degree coverage which is said to be able to detect missile launches. "But air-to-air missiles are mostly heat-seekers, with a targeting radar in it as well" not quite. Both the radar and IR sensor would require line of sight to the enemy plane. But IR guided missiles can be slaved to the aircraft's radar and given these inputs it's what probably allows the missile to perform trajectory computing rather than just doing a pure pursuit on the IR signature like the old heat seekers. "It is not really its job anyway, but that of the bombers" Actually multirole-fighters have been doing the role of bombers for quite a while. The F-4 Phantom II was able to carry a bomb load greater than the B-17 Flying Fortress over Vietnam, the F-16 was used by the Israelis in a long range operation to bomb out a nuclear reactor, etc. The major advantage of the F-35 is that you can clear out defenses before an assault due to it's stealth capabilities allowing for more paths over enemy territory where the radar coverage isn't sufficient to detect stealth aircraft and if needed, firing missiles that lock onto the radar emissions to clear the way for conventional aircraft. The F-35 will serve the Marines for the same purpose as the Harrier - clearing the way for an amphibious invasion. Again, most of your assumptions are correct but modern air combat has many intricacies and caveats.
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  7450.  @sandbox8717  Huh, I'm saying that the arguments you complained about are true. Intel messed up and had to stick to 14nm. It is more expensive. And as a company, they do suck for trying to pull these fast ones on the consumer. What else is there to say? "sometimes it's more than 25 fps" - Raw numbers don't tell the tale like relative performance. If it's 50 fps vs 25 fps that's massive. If it's 150 fps vs 175 fps that's different. And sometimes the difference is 10-20. Paying more for 10-20 fps doesn't seem that wise, especially when 1% lows are often much closer than the average fps where Intel gets the clear win. So the use case for the Intel peak gaming performance is playing 1080p medium settings high refresh gaming because AMD can't get the magical 144hz, but you're gonna see dips to the high 80s with Intel too so it's not like you'd get a worse experience with AMD. That's such a narrow case for Intel. "we're not talking about "u're hitting 144 anyway"" - AMD can't hit 144 average in many games. I just take an issue with the arguments you use. "if u're saying: "ppl who claim the complaints u mentioned are right" but then u can't say anything more than: "they're expensive"" - But I said more than that. a) they suck (treat customers like idiots) b) they are indeed more expensive, you complained about this argument but you can't say it's false, I'm only repeating this because you complained about this argument c) they got stuck in a node. Those are three things, they're not false, and for whatever reason you're personally offended at people using these facts against Intel. My last four CPUs are all Intel and I have no problem talking about their shortcomings. In your complaint about AMD fanboys, you turned out to reveal yourself as just as bad of a fanboy.
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  7543.  @BeKindToBirds  You can't argue with good faith. In terms of blue on blue rates, the A-10 shows that it's overhyped as a way to safely perform CAS because it technically is the least safe fixed wing aircraft for the job. You've strawmanned by claiming I said the A-10 isn't trusted. I pointed out that you claimed the GAU-8 is a precision weapon when it has too much dispersion and it is a manually aimed weapon like an unguided rocket, a mistake you've refused to acknowledge. My point about the single barrel cannon was just a comment in passage to your praise of the GAU-8. You've strawmanned by getting hung on that very small detail. The point isn't single or rotary cannons. it's that you called an unguided weapon with dispersion a "precision" weapon when it isn't. You refuse to acknowledge your mistakes, so now you're yapping about the single barrel comment. Which is not important at all. "congress is the one who keeps trying to shut down the program while the military fights to keep it" - False. Congress controls the retirement authorization. It is the USAF that requests the A-10 retirement every time, and Congress saves it. It's amazing how wrong you are. "understand it a lot better" - But you don't. You claim unguided rotary cannons are precision weapons when they aren't. A person who goes through cancer treatment doesn't become a doctor. It's a significant emotional event, but doesn't bring expertise. You're like a cancer patient shouting at people for explaining that there is a difference between a MRI and a CT scan, because he thinks it's all the same. You think Congress is against the A-10 even though there's verifiable evidence that they're the ones rejecting the retirement proposals, even after the Army has given up and decided to trust the USAF on their decision.
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  7619.  Michael Longstaff  If modern equipment is better then how was my point missed? The A-10 was designed to escort Army helicopters and provide CAS in an age where pilots' awareness of what was happening on the ground was extremely poor. In a Vietnam setting. It's extremely capable in the extremely narrow application it was designed for. Modern battles happen on the modern world. Houthis have shot down jet aircraft. If you expect that new insurgent threats will not be gifted capable equipment by hostile nations, or that a new near-peer conflict won't happen, then you're stuck in the "fighting the last war" attitude that always reared its ugly head. Everyone's gearing up for a new war, the Marines are restructuring themselves to expect an island hopping campaign rather than being Army 2 like they have been during the GWOT and the remaining services are focusing on dealing with cruise missiles and the hypersonic threat. "You cant always expect a CAS flight to be sat waiting for your call put in the air just for you" - You can, when you don't need specific airplane to provide it. If your needs can be met from almost every plane in inventory you'll have the true benefit of the multirole which is round the clock availability. "5 to 10 minutes of support before hes off station." - So you got 5 to 10 minutes of death from above and that didn't do the trick? "In Afghanistan, the taliban where terrified of the A10" - I'd rather have the effective weapon rather than the psychological weapon. I don't want someone terrified, I want someone dead. If I were an insurgent I'd love the fact that I could get scared and run away, so I can survive. Then two weeks later you'll have to deal with me again. And if I die then, shit at least I bled thousands of American taxpayer dollars with my worthless life like Bin Laden intended. "I honestly belive that if you ask anybody who has been in a situation where you feel the ground under your feet shake and feel the impact of each round" - That's an emotional argument. That's the entire problem, emotion overcomes logic. If other aircraft were able to put on a show they'd be as loved as the A-10, but oh no the only thing they can do is kill stuff you need dead. That's a dealbreaker, somehow. "pilots love it too" - That's not an argument, if you have the chance of flying you'll love whatever you can strap yourself into that isn't a death trap. Every pilot loves his machine. If he doesn't, you have a huge liability.
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  8076. Except that Kalashnikov was 900 km away from Izhmash while the AK was being developed. Unless you claim him and Schmeisser had long phone conversations, your timeline is wrong. If you look at the two rifles side by side you'll realize that there's only so many ways to lay out a long-stroke piston rifle built off stamped steel and fed by a magazine forward of the pistol grip. First of all, the StG has a magwell and magazine release more comparable to the AR than the AK's. The stock is attached completely differently, with the StG having the predecessor for the H&K design where the stock is meant to sleeve the rear of the receiver and get pinned into place - the AK has the stock bolted to the rear trunnion. The StG makes use of ribbed reinforcements in its stampings to make up for weaker steel alloys - the AK uses a simplistic stamp with a lower amount of dimples. The StG receiver splits into an upper and lower/trigger group housing. The AK uses a single receiver with a cover. If anything, the H&K rifles and MP5 submachine gun are guilty of more copying of the StG than the AK, which only have steel and wood in common. The nail in the coffin is the internals. Why would the Russians ask a German to help, and said German simply copied American designs? The AK uses the operating system and trigger of the M1 Garand, and the safety/dust cover from the Remington Model 8. Why wouldn't the Russians just copy it themselves? In what way did they benefit from the German expertise if they made the least possible German gun by cloning the M1 Garand?
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  8269.  @johnc8910  "In all reality, the AF has never been wild about the CAS mission." - literally all historic evidence points to the contrary, with only internet pundits and "reformers" trying to sell books saying otherwise. Air Force support is more integrated with ground units than it was back in WWII, when the air power was under the Army. Another historical fact to keep in mind was that due to accuracy of the weapons employed at the time strategic bombing and interdiction produced the most effects on the enemy while posing the least risk to American ground troops, and strategic bombing/interdiction demanded more from the aircraft so the logic was to use aircraft designed for a harder job for CAS. Poor technology hindered the use of fast jets for CAS but the logic was straight out of army doctrine. The air force "manual" was largely written by the army in the early days. Preparing for the most demanding missions on the assumption that such a force could then deal with less demanding ones remained in Army field manuals at least until the 1980s and Join Doctrine publications until the 2000s. "No glamor in air-to-mud." - And yet at the time the Army was trying to shut out the USAF from CAS, the Air Force chief of staff was inquiring into the satisfaction of the Army with the Air Force and what could be done to improve CAS. But I guess fancy phrases you can repeat over and over matter more than history. Did you know that a 1979 GAO report slammed the Air Force for buying too many A-10s?
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  8553.  @hughgrection3052  "They SELL DRUGS. not guns" - Guns are a commodity. Guns are trafficked across Latin America. They buy guns off the international black market. They steal them from government armories. And whatever else they need, they straw purchase in the US. "Pound for pound they make more money dealing in one thing" - Okay. But they also have fingers on every pie. You do realize that when you go down to a resort in Mexico, the cartels probably own a significant percentage of it, if not all of it, right? They make money off tourism. Pound for pound it doesn't make money like drugs. But it makes money. "they'd simply make a factory and be legit" - They do have factories but it's only to produce what they can't buy. Such as lowers for AR uppers they got from the US. "It's by so called gangstas snitching on other so called gangstas to eliminate competition." - And who are you going to snitch to? God? You snitch on the local cops, they might snitch on you and the rival cartel will have your tongue exiting out the throat by the next morning. "EVERYONE IS ON THE TAKE?? Really? Is that the mental gymnastics you resort to to make your logic work?" - What's the mental gymnastics you need to resort to explain how cartels still exist if the Mexican police is honest and efficient? There's a reason special units are created to fight the cartels, people who can't be bought and have their identities hidden so that their families won't get harmed. Ever heard of the Los Zetas? They were originally a group of 34 soldiers who deserted from the GAFE unit. Highly trained soldiers, even got training at Ft. Bragg too. 34 of them decided to be on the take. Where are the gymnastics here? "If everyone is paid off how is this even possible?" - You're just twisting my words at this point. Yes, there are government forces that aren't being paid off. The issue is that there's too few of them to fight the cartels. They can't be involved with low level arrests, the resources are directed at the big dogs. "Do cartels even have to hire so called "hitmen"" - Again, the Los Zetas started as hired guns for the Gulf Cartel. They decided to split off and create their own cartel. "You don't think they have ample access to people with guns already? Who they know are loyal?" - I'm starting to repeat myself - but you never know. Again, the Los Zetas were loyal gunmen for the Gulf Cartel. Then they decided to rival them. The only think keeping people loyal is a good paycheck and the fear of getting killed in a brutal way. When someone's paying more and you're assured you'll be better protected working for someone else, there's no loyalty. "sorry if I'm a realist with the ability to think on my own" - You're a realist who hasn't done a shred of research about cartels or even Latin America. You think based on your experience, not realizing that you may need others to share their experiences to expand your way of thinking. You seem to understand crime north of the border, but you're in disbelief regarding well known facts of the cartel wars.
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  8819.  @RickBoat  You did. You talked about asking an inherently biased group of people with limited insight into air power, and I simply questioned what do they know. "but that has very little to do with current Close air support doctrine" - I will have everything to do with current CAS discussions because you people still pretend it's Vietnam. "I formed my opinions based on conversations with ground commanders and ground troops" - Again, an inherently biased group of people who only gets a small glimpse of what air power is, and wants to hold on to that glimpse for psychological reasons. Maybe we need to get the CIA on the case, give terrorists all over the world capable anti air means, and we make the ground people watch what happens to the beloved A-10 when the going gets tough. Obviously I'm being facetious, but we've reached a point where the obsession with the A-10 has boiled over and the only way to ever cure it is a reality check. "Little or nothing in my research on the subject has caused me to think about tank killing in the context of CAS" - Then don't bring up the Gun From Hell. The only modern use for the gun is close air support with a lower lethality radius. This can be accomplished by 20mm and 25mm guns, small diameter bombs and even the laser guided conversion kit for rockets. The only thing that set the 30mm apart was its ability to bust tanks, which has lost its effectiveness over time and we're not even issuing the DU penetrator ammo anymore because of the heavy metal dust it leaves in the area.
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  9209.  @calenhoover1124  "Your issue is that you think free communication means completely and utterly unchecked, and unregulated" - You don't get to pretend you know what I think. "This will change absolutely nothing about your life." - It does because I use a end-to-end encrypted chat platform and this law might expose some people I work with to their country's authorities. "This aint 1984 bud, and like every other industry in this country our democratic process will decide" - Dude, the democratic process hasn't done shit. "if it ends up being a catastrophic failure, they can repeal it" - Name a law comparable to this that got repealed by democratic means. "Nice anecdote there, but plenty and plenty of bipartisan bills are actually to promote social and civil welfare, not just to "fuck you over"" - Here's the secret: they don't actually promote social or civil welfare. "The issue is, is that a lot of people don't think its a problem" - Then you just admitted that democracy doesn't work because most people don't pay attention. Take the L. "Sorry thats just not how democracy works. Democracy isnt what you think is best, its what the collective deems to be best, and sometimes having a collective agree on something so controversial is hard and takes effort and time." - It's been almost two decades since the state started restricting freedoms in the name of fighting terrorism. We gave it time. We gave it effort. Obama was essentially elected to reverse the Bush-era measures and he simply signed every extension to those laws. When people were mad at Bush they voted to change things around, and when things didn't change the narrative was twisted. "It sounds like youd prefer a monarchy" - Nice strawman. When you do this, it's just an admission that you're losing. "So are you suggesting they are gonna rip up the constitution that strictly limits the powers the governmetn has over civilian rights" - That's the issue bucko, they don't need to. Look at the Second Amendment - it says that the right to keep and bear arms cannot be infringed. What does infringed mean? Broken, limited or undermined. Supposedly, the government cannot do ANYTHING that undermines gun ownership. But there's gun laws. Supposedly, the government cannot break the Fourth Amendment. But they do. Hell, it could be argued that with police militarization the government is even breaking the amendment everyone forgets about, the Third. The government wipes it's ass with the constitution, but because it puts it back in a display case with skid marks you think everything's fine because they're not actually tearing it into pieces. "Because an election and elected officials would mean its inherently not a tyranny" - You do realize that there were tyrannical states that held elections, right? "Most militaries, made up of working class soldiers will eventually if not immediately rebel against a tyrannical government thats hurting the people." - Then explain China or North Korea. Why haven't their military forces risen up against the government?
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  9355. @Friedrich "There is no way you could win a war against a organized standing army" - did you read the recently released Afghanistan Papers? You should. Did you remember what happened in Vietnam? Didn't they teach that shit in school? Organized standing armies can only fight organized standing armies. Against insurgencies they suck ass. "The police is not preventing every single crime and i never said so." - then you're being intellectually dishonest. You said police protected me. Now you're admitting that they can't. "However the police presence and the threat of the justice system itself prevents many crimes from happening" - You can't prove something that is not happening. And like I said, when the NYPD went on strike crimes actually dropped. "It is the police that prevents large groups of criminals from controlling the streets" - and yet: 1) criminals do control streets anyway 2) you've just replaced one type of criminal for another "What could happen if the state fails can be observed in Mexico" - lmao the irony is that cartels get their power from being able to control the police. When the people in Mexico got fed up they disarmed the cops and started fighting the cartels on their own. "And it is the military that is preventing other countries from invading the US and putting you into camps." - You mean camps like Guantanamo, that the US military runs? Motherfucker you think other countries could invade the US? The US couldn't take over Vietnam. They couldn't take over Afghanistan and are now trying to make peace with the Taliban so that they leave the TAPI pipelines alone. You think China could fight in the Appalachian mountains? You think the Russian army, which is so shitty that young soldiers are forced into prostitution to make money for their officers and where fit men spend half of their conscription service bedridden in hospitals due to pneumonia, is gonna survive the Rocky Mountains?
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  9747.  @willofdodge1  Okay. How are you going to deal with all the people who also want to see their higher education changed and not just med school? How are you going to pay for the debt forgiveness program? How do you deal with the people who already paid a large sum of their debt, but will have to face the perspective of their salaries being lowered due to competition of newer generation doctors who graduated in less time for cheaper? "The 8 largest health company made 850 billion in revenue" - Are they health companies or insurance companies? "That means removing insurance could possibly save 850 billion a year" - That's not how it works. Do you even understand what revenue is? Revenue is the total sum received without considering your overhead. Meaning that a bunch of that revenue was actually eventually paid to other companies providing the materials and services, etc. Did you mean "profit"? "just copy NHS" - You have to copy the rest of the country too. That's what DJ Moon tried to explain. Copying the NHS would mean massive costs in the US, because they're not the UK. You can't just copy things from other countries. "Also anyone who hates on other people getting out of student debt, that's wrong" - Are you a literal child? How is that in any way related to the point? "Just bc we suffered doesn't mean future generations need to suffer" - You're seriously delusional. A 28 year old competing with a 25 year old is not "future generations". They might even belong to the same exact generation. You're not only massively oversimplifying the issue, you're also pretending that people can just "get over" their career prospects being swept from under them. You try and rationalize it by attacking everyone who critiques your argument and claiming they're pro-debt, when they're simply trying to explain to you that every time you change something there is a cost and someone is paying for you. You close your eyes and pretend people can just hold hands and sing kumbaya after you screw with people's lives.
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  10004.  @Milivoy84  At Red Flag they simulate a whole ass war. Not T-38s, the F-35 defeated F-16s and F-15s. "That's why some rather nasty surprises happened in some exercises like F22 losing multiple times from Typhoon or having some rather unfavourable win ratio vs Indian Su30 MKI" - So first you discount kill ratios from simulations, then come up with simulated kills against the F-22. Okay. "There are now confirmed reports that Russian S400 radars can detect and track stealth planes and that even Russian fighters can do it too" - I trust those as much as I trust their vaccine. "Su57" - there's... 11 of them. "first ever stealth plane was shot down. With 50 years old tech" - In a feat that was never replicated. Pure luck, skill and complacency of flight planners. Zoltan Dani said it himself, they lost the lock twice. "Several days later another one fell down in woodland around Tuzla in Bosnia" - And trying to find evidence for these claims is a rabbit hole that leads to the Earth's core. I've seen everything from claims that it was a B-2, and claims of 4 F-117 plus 2 B-2s shot down. Only 82-0806 was lost. Every other Nighthawk was seen operational. Mind that the wreckage of a MiG-29 was reported as a F-117 in some newspapers, which helped the confusion. "the F117 fleet stopped flying above Serbia" - The strikes went from March 24th to June. There's footage of F-117 strikes until May 1st. "And Su57 will be step above them" - There's 550 F-35s worldwide. Only 11 Su57s. "the world and environment in which F35 is required to "kick door" is becoming way to hostile for it" - If it's hostile to the F-35 it's deadly to any non-stealth aircraft. No more airplanes can take off with such a threat.
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  10046.  @argon7479  I thought it was the opposite, the better the results in standardized testing the more funding you get. And I guess standardized testing scores correlate to graduation. Or, the better funded schools are in higher income districts, and kids being born from families with higher incomes means they have a higher chance to graduate (not saying they're smarter... just that they graduate). Everyone needs a degree? Even if you're a plumber. Most jobs require education. Okay. Do you need a business degree to manage a corner store? Wage is a reflection of how much demand there is for a service and how many people are willing to do it. If there's a shortage of welders, welders get paid more. Doesn't matter if they have a mechanical engineering degree or just went to trade school. If there's a shortage of plumbers you'll have to pay more for one. It's not about education. I can guarantee there's people using their business, marketing and programming degrees on their current job who are living in worse conditions than people in the trades. If you increase the speed limit you'll lose more money due to increased injury and fatality rates. It's a trade off. You also make it cheaper for business to operate by taxing less. Raising taxes on the rich doesn't work. France tried that and they failed miserably because the ultra wealthy simply moved out of France or stopped paying themselves a wage for a few years. Raising taxes on the rich simply makes it costlier to do business, which is contrary to your stated goal. Appealing to the majority is a fallacy. Many times the majority doesn't understand the issues.
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  10088.  @mikemartin5749  "You do not have the ability to comprehend that a person can be against vigilantism" - This wasn't vigilantism, dude shot people attacking him. "and also be against rioters and property damage. I am against property damage." - I mean, you're not when you're out here insisting that we shouldn't interfere with property destruction. "I sympathize with those that lost assets in the riot" - Sympathy doesn't solve the problem. "but our laws do not allow you to kill that person unless your life is in danger." - Kyle was in danger. Also, funny that we're pretending that the law actually matters. The felon who was carrying the Glock, has he been arrested for illegal possession and concealed carry? We're not living under laws, we're living under anarcho-tyranny. Everyone does whatever the fuck they want and the government is nowhere to be seen, but when the government has a gripe with you the hammer comes down. "but he fucking asked for it" - Tell it to a rape victim. "Damage and graffiti can be dealt with once the crowds are dispersed, which they always eventually are." - Just let them have their fill. Whoa. Big brained solution my dude. Just let them do everything they want until they get tired, fuck whoever loses their shit. "First he's a medic, then he has a "job" protecting property." - What? I'm not aware of any "job" but all that matters was him being attacked. "All a bullshit facade to go to the middle of a riot and try to play hero. " - What about the bullshit facade of pretending to be angry at the government and police to then only show up to steal and burn other people's shit?
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  10303.  @georgethompson3763  No, it's not the only way and it's the worse way to do it. I don't care about hunting, there's more important reasons to have firearms. If you actually read the Second Amendment there is no requirement to participate in a militia. If you actually look it up the American law actually acknowledges the existence of the militia apart from the national guard, simply being all able bodied men of fighting age. Besides that, multiple states have laws that codify the state militia as all able bodied men of fighting age. Your study is mostly useless. Semi-automatic rifles do not kill more people, handguns do. Mass shootings are a small percentage of gun homicides, the vast majority committed with handguns. Your link is also so poorly written it just says attacks with semi-autos lead to increased hit rates. It doesn't differentiate between the actual shots taken. It calls out semi-automatic rifles but did not differentiate between pistols and rifles in the numbers. So if I go on a mass shooting with a pump-action shotgun and a semi-auto rifle and actually get more kills than average with the pump-action, will the study chalk it up as a "semi-auto" victory? Or a pump-action shotgun and a semi-automatic handgun, the shotgun being much more deadly, will it get chalked up as a "semi-auto" victory so that the article calls out semi-auto rifles? This whole argument is just a waste of time - banning semi-autos would make the US one of the strictest countries in the world when it comes to guns and they have a right to keep and bear arms you're telling me we Europeans would have better gun laws than the US despite not having a right to guns? Jeez. If you look it up the homicide resorting to blunt weapons/tools/bare hands actually outnumbers the rifle homicide stats. And that one includes ALL rifles, semi-auto or not. You're using the emotional argument of "children's lives". There are many things that kill more children than firearms. You don't actually care about children, just removing guns. Again, I don't care about hunting. "As a compromise" - a compromise means you give something back. Gun owners already gave into so many laws, what do they get in return? "Again, as I said, I'm totally against confiscation" - which is bullshit. There's like 10 million AR15s in civilian hands, it's cheaper to manufacture than even an AK these days because of all the tooling purchased to fulfill military contracts already being paid off, it's cheaper than competing models so it sells. And there's millions more of other semi-auto rifles. So if you're not for confiscation and you allow grandfathering of ARs you're still accepting more than a century's worth of mass shootings happening with the available weapons without new ones being purchased.
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  10305.  @georgethompson3763  "No, since most mass shootings are done with newly-bought weapons" - you do realize a mass shooter buying a gun off someone else is a "newly-bought weapon", right? "bought their weapons years ago and are responsible" - that's still millions of people who might get fired from their job or divorced or whatever. "Ban any sale of AR-15s" - you mean semi-auto rifles. Why the hard on for the AR-15? You're gonna ban AKs, Mini-14s, etc too right? "including private sales" - bruh if you don't confiscate semi-auto rifles how you're going to prevent people from selling them privately, then? "prevent people under 21 from buying a firearm" - No. No. No. If people aren't responsible enough to own a gun until 21, then they can't vote until they're 21 nor join the military. Rights are rights. "ban high capacity magazines" - it's a fucking box with a spring. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jw0ZGVbyfpk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JyYSqBA9BKw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dGTriDDUpUk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w2KCuymRLMk how the fuck do you ban a box with a spring? Hell you can just take smaller magazines and weld them together: http://www.defensereview.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/Higher_Capacity_32-Round_and_45-Round_SR-25_and-M14-M1A_7.62mm_Rifle_Magazines_Company_Shot.jpg http://www.defensereview.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/Higher_Capacity_55-Round_and_75-Round_AR-15_5.56mm_Rifle_Magazines_Company_Shot.jpg http://photobucket.com/gallery/http://s983.photobucket.com/user/44Echo10/media/Gun%20Stuff/AR/AK%20style%20magazine/62dgbix_zpsf21e5b3f.jpg.html This implying anyone would even need to manufacture their own magazines, because there's millions upon millions of them and they're all unaccounted for. There' no paperwork on magazines. "make training mandatory" - it would be taken down by the supreme court like requiring a civics exam before voting. It's meant to disqualify lower class people from exercising their rights. "have a national registration and universal background check" - you're thinking three steps ahead aren't you. Canada eliminated their long gun registry in 2012 because it was proven that it was a useless drain in resources. The only purpose of a registry is not having to allow grandfathering, simply checking on a list who owns what and sending them a letter saying they have 90 days to turn them in or SWAT will knock down the front door. "create a national tax on firearm sales" - again, using a tax to restrict a right by making it more expensive might be struck down by the supreme court "reinstate the so-called assault weapon ban. That should curb the number of deaths over time. " - no, it fucking wouldn't. Mexico and Brazil have much stricter gun laws than you described and they have much higher murder rates. In fact, in Brazil murder rates have risen since their anti-gun laws were passed. The assault weapons ban was proven ineffective because most homicide is not committed with assault weapons and because many manufacturers simply changed their guns to comply with the AWB. You literally have no evidence that what you said is going to happen will actually happen, and the US is much closer to a Latin American country than a European one so you can count on criminals still having guns and killing each other. Nearly anything you say is either flat out unconstitutional, impractical, unrealistic, or actually doesn't even make any fucking sense.
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  10470.  @doctorfloc  Oh god. You either remembered wrong, or someone lied to you. I believe it was the latter. The F-4 Phantom was designed as a Navy interceptor. The whole raison d'etre of the aircraft was getting to Russian bombers before they got in range to fire an anti-ship missile. If you took the time to get to the enemy, circle around and line up for a gun kill, you would no longer have an aircraft carried to land back on. In Vietnam, USAF Phantoms were being used to escort slower strike packages and going in blind. The USAF had terrible situational awareness, which allowed the North Vietnamese to go around the border, come in from behind at high speed, do a pass and then run. Hit and run ambushes. The Phantoms weren't being claimed by dogfights. They were being claimed by not knowing where the MiGs were, getting attacked and watching the MiGs flee at high speed. A gun doesn't do anything when you're too slow to give chase. This didn't happen to Navy Phantoms, which had their own ships on their back with radars to give them situational awareness. Their kill ratio was 6.4 to 1 with MIGCAP Phantoms. No gun needed. Naval variants of the Phantom did not have guns added, and the gunpods were really only ever used for ground strafing. However, if you just look at MIGCAP USAF Phantoms, their kill ratio was 5.5 to 1. Being ready for a fight meant that Phantoms crushed the MiGs. After the Navy introduced TOPGUN training their MIGCAP Phantom kill ratio became 8.7 to 1. When the USAF finally got their act together and introduced Teaball to give pilots better situational awareness, the Phantom MIGCAP fighters claimed a humiliating 15 to 1 kill ratio. The Phantom is the world's largest distributors of MiG parts. So now you know. The Phantom didn't even need a gun to swat MiGs out of the sky.
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  10503.  @matchesburn  Can you please condense whatever you're trying to say? 1. You used a reductio ad absurdum by bringing up shotguns. I don't care if you're mad, if you're on the spectrum, or whatever. If you actually think that bringing up the fact that there's different shells with the same nominal caliber is an argument, you're done. Again, CONTEXT. 2. Again, most of the disabling power of the GAU-8 was through damage that could be repaired and put the tank back in action. The extra penetration power of the GAU-8 made very little contribution. 3. No, you learned to be a person who makes constant use of fallacies to get an argument through. The point is that tanks do use smoke to obscure their position from optically guided weapons. This makes aiming at specific vehicles or specific parts of a vehicle harder, which means that real world damage dealt will be even lower than tested. 4. "in order to simulate movement through a hostile air defense systen" - There's no simulation if you're not evading fire. Again, you can pretend to be the world boxing champion by dodging punches in front of your mirror. Doesn't mean much when a real punch is thrown at you. 5. Out of 93 impacts only 17 were perforations. 6. There's literally no hypocrisy, both sentences are compatible. 7. You didn't read. Only 277,000 rounds were 105/120mm. 35 million rounds were 30mm. 8. "the A-10 pilot was doing a gun run based on if it was an actual potential threat, you oligophrenic." - Pretending on your mind there is a potential threat isn't the same as having an actual threat. A real threat will force an aircraft to disengage from a run when the tracers start flying.
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  10542.  @ReuelRamos  "Modernly, with vaccines" - Had to sneak that one in there, didn't you? How is modernity different? For 99.99% of what you come in contact with, you develop immunity naturally. We don't vaccinate for every possible pathogen. "otherwise by killing millions by so called herd immunity" - As opposed to killing millions by just keeping this going on for longer. "Polio and smallpox can tell you that" - Funny thing about polio, the OPV allowed for vaccinated people to continue shedding a virus that was reactivated and could spread towards the nervous system and the IPV was found to have simian virus-40. That's what happens when you rush things. "we try to slowdown the rate of spreading" - We did that. We slowed it down. Obviously easing restrictions will bring the cases back up. So we go back under lockdown. We've already completed the original goal and now we're actually prolonging the suffering by making sure more fragile people get it. "When it was a common cold, it didn't seem like a big deal because the group immunity was already there" - No, it wasn't. You get the common cold precisely because it's caused by a multitude of different viruses for which herd immunity has not been achieved. "No ONE had yet this immunity thus the death count being so high" - Death count is high because excessive cycles are being used in the PCR test. Evidence suggests that the number of cycles is detecting remnants from the virus even in people who defeated the virus and are cured. If you die of diabetes, and you were in contact with the coof because of medical personnel or just other patients, you are added to the tally. This is by far the weirdest thing I've ever seen claimed about the outbreak - it's just like a cold but no herd immunity. Okay, but for that we should compare it to the number of people who die with the common cold virus on their body. "society through politics overall" - Society was a mistake, politics is the spawn of the devil. "not drinking and drinking" - That's a little hard. "I'm not necessarily against guns but I find it unnecessary to indiscriminately overflow society with them." - I don't think Luke is a gun guy either but one has to be seriously out of his mind to come to this channel and genuinely present bad faith arguments like these. What does "overflowing" with guns mean? From my point of view, the politics side of society, the one you praise to high heaven, wants us disarmed while they not only have private security but also wield the legal monopoly on force. All politics flows from the barrel of the gun like Mao supposedly said, and all law is backed by threat of violence. These are just the facts, and it doesn't require one to be a gun nut to accept the reality around them. If you think the false dichotomy is "no guns" and "overflowing with guns" instead of "relying on government" and "independence" you're looking at the problem from the peepee poopoo Republican vs Democrat rather than the actual underlying issue. "Private property has nothing to do with this discussion" - Of course it does. People are literally dying from not having access to your property. Capitalism kills a bajillion people every year. "unwilling to cooperate" - Your "cooperation" is enforced by armed thugs. "It's very convenient to mock the ones who have already passed away when it doesn't threat you because you are probably still young or healthier or 'stronger'. It has a name: Eugenia. " - This is your strawman, you have erected it (giggity). And if you want to call out eugenics then go complain about the pro-choice liberals or something, hell the conspiracy theories regarding the vaccine originate from Bill Gates himself saying we need to reduce the world population. Obviously it was decontextualized from any vaccination effort at the time, but it's your side that has literal eugenicists on your side. I'm simply for freedom.
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  10613. ​ @will.roman-ros  "Universal healthcare systems have experts in the field negotiate" - which is useless. If Big Pharma demands a price and the experts disagree, what happens? This happened in Portugal, the pharmaceutical company demanded over 90k per patient for a Hep C treatment and the government didn't agree with the price so they refused to buy. Obviously this caused a major shitstorm and the government was pressured into buying. The treatment was thus sold for an undisclosed amount. Do you think the price increased, or lowered? "Assuming no corruption of course" - which is a problem. Where do you go get experts in the field who are also not connected to the industry in any way? "That means even if pharma raises prices, the buyers still know what’s reasonable" - if it wasn't for the news saying that the government was refusing to overpay for treatments I would have never guessed the pharmaceutical companies could get away with charging almost 6 figures per person. The average person doesn't know the costs when he's not paying. "which I’d argue is more important than new medicine down the line" - but you're hovering right above the solution. What is forcing the medical field to be so cutting edge? If someone wanted to make money wouldn't it make sense to open a clinic with lower operating costs that would cover frequent but life-saving procedures which have existed for decades and are extremely well researched? And use mostly generic drugs? I'm pretty sure if anyone tried it the AMA would come crashing down on them for violations of some kind of regulation. You can't even lower the employment costs of doctors because there's no way that regulatory interests will ever tell colleges to drop the requirement for undergraduate years before entering med school.
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  10679.  @LupusAries  "The A-10 can stay on Station for hours, in a war like Afghanistan." - A turboprop has a ton of time on station. "due to the more limited payload of the F-16" - A-10s in Afghanistan were also payload limited by the sheer altitude of some airbases. You can see videos of A-10s taking off/in pre-flight at Bagram. It's almost 5,000 ft above sea level and the A-10 is severely lacking in thrust. They're not carrying everything plus the kitchen sink or else the pucker factor during rotation would be off the charts. "Citation needed" - Oh I got the full interview. Posting the link will probably see my comment filtered for spam so google "airforcemag article 0691horner". Title is "A Conversation With Chuck Horner" and dated June 1, 1991. "The Tornado GR. 1 lost 10 Aircraft, mainly due to it's mission profile" - Exactly. The Tornado had a much harder, near-suicidal mission that forced the West to reconsider low-level attacks as a way to evade defenses as a whole and the Tornado was forced to continue the war doing mid-level attacks. The Tornado suffering those losses doing an extremely difficult job was considered a paradigm shift. The A-10 proved itself incapable against a near-pear adversary and got a hero's welcome. That's propaganda for you. "aircraft with a riskier mission profile do get shot down more" - Okay, which proves that the A-10s mission profile is flawed and only works for COIN, where a turboprop aircraft would be better suited. "Except in Syria" - Exactly. >national interest The National Interest is a terrible outlet.
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  10743.  @obijuan3004  The second amendment was based on the English Bill of Rights of 1689. In the Federalist paper No. 46 James Madison argues that the militia would be used to keep the federal army in check. Alexander Hamilton published an essay in 1788 that the militia is the best possible security against a standing army. The slavery argument is nonsensical. Non-slave states attacking slave states to free states right after the US being formed would clearly go against the point of the Union. It's a retroactive fetishization of the civil war. "There is nothing about tyranny in the Constitution" - But the declaration of independence states: "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.—That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed,—That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. "The NRA is a gun manufacturer lobby" - And? I don't like the NRA. "you are a customer" - Yeah? Let's say you drive a Toyota. Do you want Toyota to go out of business? Companies make good products, I'd like to buy them. You think this is a revelation?
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  10785.  @isodoublet  I didn't call you Russian. I described the kind of bias you're using. At least make an attempt to read. "The contrary "- So global conflict and millions of lives are at stake just to pull a trick on the US? That's insanity. "As long as the US continues to believe stealth is an unstoppable super weapon" - You're missing the entire point of deception warfare. The real strategy would be casting doubt on stealth so that the US is forced to compromise is designs to be more detectable and thus allow weaker nations to target them. Forcing the enemy to readjust all the time is much more disruptive than allowing them to have a defined and consistent strategy. Even if you can pull a trick out of nowhere, you're fighting a trained enemy. You'd want the enemy to not be well trained because they need to keep chasing changes you've provoked. And who casts doubt on stealth? Outlets like RT. I rest my case. "Strategically, it makes much more sense to hide that sort of capability." - No, it doesn't. It makes more sense to make your defenses seem impenetrable to deter strikes. Like you said, the US has more money. This means that in the end, the US will still win although at a great cost. "that's completely irrelevant and proves nothing" - It proves that Russian IADS were humiliated and they weren't there to gather intelligence but to score kills against F-35s. If it wasn't known the Syrian and Russian systems were linked, it wouldn't expose their lack of capabilities. "You don't know that." - Ask me how I know you've never watched Dr. Strangelove.
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  10802. *****>"Psychological examinations would at the very least prevent some lunatics from getting a gun" No, it wouldn't. First of all, mentally ill people are more likely to be victims of violence than commit violence. Be careful when throwing around the word "lunatics". If a mental health professional does not know what they are looking for, they cannot simply "dig up your demons". If someone is visibly unbalanced, they're probably either homeless or being taken care of by relatives. >""Most mass shooters aren't even psychopaths." That's probably the dumbest sentence I've read all day. Congratulations!" How about you read up on psychopathy, rather than use the "colloquial" meaning. >"Fighting fire with fire. Don't see a problem with that. (That was sarcasm. You're an idiot.)" Controlled burns are used to cut off wildfires and explosives are used on oil fires. Fighting fire with fire is something that exists in real life and it's very effective. How am I the idiot? NO, our gun control doesn't work. Many European countries either passed gun control due to tax reasons or as a knee-jerk reaction to the "Years of Lead". Recently, criminals have been making a new "R9-ARMS Corp, USA" which is a pretty good homemade submachine gun with clearly fake markings as the gun officially doesn't exist and is most likely made in the Czech Republic. My mother has worked in some bad parts of town. Criminals leave their guns on their dashboard so people know the gangs are patrolling their turf. The main difference is that the US is attached to Mexico and has a tough policy on drugs. We have decriminalized drugs so while any criminal can get guns, they have little profits in killing.
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  10809. shill for worker's self-management >"TPP's a good example" Most libertarians and anarchists disagree with the TPP. Most trade agreements do not benefit the free market, they benefit the people who benefit from it, period. The "free trade" agreement in Europe destroyed what was left of the PIGS and forced them into economic crisis and austerity. It's not free market when a government is pretty much being bribed to force people to neglect their businesses in return for subsidies. >"One can make the argument that capitalism is unjustified aggression against others. No, direct action is a viable way of ending capitalism." If I sell yams I planted on my backyard that's capitalism. There is not a single shred of aggression used and I am totally justified in doing it. Funny, because the definition I know of "direct action" is a short duration strike meant to close in and destroy or disable a target. I understand you're speaking politically, but "direct action" is an euphemism for fucking shit up as quickly and violently as possible. >"What exactly are the "individual rights" that capitalism is supposedly a manifestation of?" You're the person flying the black and red flags, if anything you know anarchy's history better than I do. If you do not recognize individual rights, and you probably don't as a result of the particular flavour of anarchy you believe in, I cannot possibly change your mind on the subject any better than the actual anarchist writers who started the damned philosophy anyway. I'm not that smart and I'm not that eloquent. We're not going to have anarchy in our lifetime but if for some miraculous reason we do, I will have capitalism and access to it's perks until some nerds try to stop me. I want to see a bunch of people from my generation pretend they're battle hardened Soviets. >"Why does aggression immediately equal a monopoly on violence?" If you don't have a monopoly on violence then you get a shotgun blast to the chest from the first person you try to subjugate with your "aggression". >"An anarchist militia cannot function without the support of the people behind it" Pretty sure people have taken over power vacuums without popular support. If the anarchist militia has monopoly on violence, it works independently of the people because it can just gun the populace down. If it doesn't have, it's just a bunch of nerds with Che shirts getting beat up. >"Are you forgetting that the only way to enforce property rights is violence?" The only way to take away property is violence as well. You'd think that's the first time I heard that argument, there's a thousand more people who thought the same. >"And if someone has the clout, they can use their capital to amass an army of disadvantaged people in an anarcho-capitalist society with the promise of giving them privileges, and have them seize property from others or force others into coercive agreements" First, if that's plausible in an anarcho-capitalist world, it's also plausible in an anarcho-whatever world. You think I can't promise people goodies if they attack the ancoms, the anarcho-syndicalists and all the other communes? Second, that would be the perfect business opportunity for me as I could start a private security company that would defend your property from these equally implausible marauders. For a fee, I would make my contractors wear GoPros and send you the footage of your attackers biting more than they could chew. >"I was trying to be civil with you, but once you start implying that left-libertarianism is impossible" I didn't say it was impossible, I said that calling it libertarianism is an oxymoron because there's no complete access to liberty. Anti-capitalism is inherently authoritarian because it forces people into an economic theory they may not like, and last time I checked in anarchy it's not okay to force people into things they don't like without their consent. If you're going to leave people alone feel free to call it whatever you want, but if you're going to stop people from living the way they want there's no libertarianism involved.
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  10810. shill for worker's self-management >""Private ownership" does not constitute all we see in what is capitalism. If it did, that would mean that feudalism is capitalism."" Except that feudalism in Europe (don't know much about it outside Europe) originated in a time where markets collapsed, production was down so people could barely feed themselves, let alone trade, and property rights were shoddy at best since there was barely any bureaucracy or record keeping. Everything was derived from the divine right of kings and brute force, not trade, not wages, not property rights. >"If you took five seconds on the god damn Wikipedia article you'd find a whole host of non-violent examples." I was just saying, to me RPG will always mean Rocket Propelled Grenade and not Role Playing Game. Same thing here, when I see Direct Action I think about the military term, not the political term. It's just funny, and I pointed out that I was aware of the multiple definitions of Direct Action. >"I asked you which individual rights capitalism is supposedly a manifestation of, and you decided to take that as me saying that I don't believe in individual rights. So I ask again: What individual rights is capitalism supposedly a manifestation of?" I don't know, man, all I know is that within capitalism I can do what I want but in communism I can't because if I tried people would call me capitalist and try to kill me. Or have sit ins, which are annoying. >"it would have a monopoly on violence to some degree, but it would also be created in such a way that it destroys itself over time. A direct democracy is a good way to do that." 1. It has never destroyed itself, hence Stalinism and Maoism. 2. Direct democracy is fucking bullshit because what will you do if 51% of the country says they'd rather have Trump as president? Would you respect their decision and go home? >"right, in an era of mass media that would be very practical to do." All it takes is someone with a monopoly on violence, gun down every dissident and you can seize power with a militia during a period of statelessness. See: Somalia. >"When I'm talking about anarchist militias, these would be militias made of pro-anarchists during the transition period, not necessarily in an anarchist society." Then how do you perform counter-revolutionary duties? >"Thank god no one is proposing that anarchism be implemented straight away, so your point here goes against nothing I've already established. If all property is abolished, left-anarchism prevails." That's not the point. You told me that property can only be maintained by aggression, but my counter is that property can only be taken away by initiating aggression. Any victim is entitled to use aggression against the aggressor, which means that property isn't a feedback loop of aggression like you claim. >"Not really, no." Says you. All it takes is someone with enough guns and desperate people with the will to survive. Saying that you are living in left-anarchy will not deter attackers who don't believe in your system, nor will it erase the concept of stealing and murdering for gain. >"Where the fuck are you going to get the goodies to promise, if not from the anarcho-syndicalists? Why would they let you destroy their system? What? Why, if every resource someone needed was already available to them through participating in the anarchist system, would they suddenly turn away? There would be no reason for them to do that." Your mistake is assuming that humans stop when they meet their needs. You think unscrupulous and violent people are just normal people who haven't had their needs met? Well, I'm sure that we can go back to their childhoods and find patterns of abuse or other factors such as low level lead poisoning during brain development impairing their decision making, but the fact is that if I broke into a jail and gave the dangerous prisoners guns to join my gang, you wouldn't stop them by fulfilling their needs. Another mistake is assuming that you can produce enough locally for everyone. Imagine trying to feed a city like New York or Los Angeles during a period of transition. Backyard gardens wouldn't fill the void created by the lack of interstate commerce. >"And now you have a monopoly on violence inside anarchist society" No, I don't. If I had a monopoly on violence my services wouldn't need to exist.
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  10811. >"With anarcho-commnism, no one can have a monopoly on violence within the society. They might have the capacity to seize property from others, but people outside of an anarcho-communist society are, well, outside of it." Not only is the lack of in-fighting unrealistic, but the cop out that people outside an anarchist commune don't count is terrible. The equivalent would be me saying that feudalism or gangs of marauders are not part of the free market so I don't have to propose a solution to those issues. >"A state is specifically defined as "having a monopoly on legitimate use of force WITHIN it's borders. If the presence of the militia relies on volunteering from the communes they fight for what incentive would they have to turn against them? And if they have no way of surviving without the militias, and if the militias are made up of the people from these very communes, why the fuck would they suddenly kill people?" 1. It has happened, it's easy to turn people on each other. 2. If you can defend your commune from outsiders, that's because they're breaching your borders. Directing aggression towards "outsiders" doesn't mean you don't have a monopoly on violence. >"That just doesn't make sense. There is no incentive for anyone to act that way. Humans are egocentric, capitalism suppresses that egocentrism by allowing some to indulge and some to starve, whereas all forms of left-anarchism encourage egocentrism by giving everyone everything they need and allowing them to pursue whatever they want. Capitalism thrives off ego conflict and communism thrives off ego cooperation." The problem is that you can't provide everything people "need". You make the argument that people are egocentric but then ignore that people might want what is not available, and when you can't provide it for them they become disgruntled. >"Really, you seem to not understand how humans work. Let's say a farmer feeds me in exchange for protection, and I don't know how to farm. Why would I kill the farmer? That would be killing myself. It's the exact same situation. People don't do things for no reason. Thankfully, an anarcho-communist society would still have a glut of guns left over from capitalism, and people within the society would be able to protect themselves from the militias if they turned on the society for whatever reason, as absurd as that idea is. Humans always take the path of least resistance. Simple as that." You've just described anarcho-capitalism. You whine that we're different when your examples could be taken from any anarcho-capitalist's mouth. The only difference between anarcho communism and anarcho capitalism is that ancoms will shoot ancaps for participating in capitalism and ancaps won't interfere with communes. >""stop people from living the way they want there's no libertarianism involved." "Libertarianism (Latin: liber, "free") is a political philosophy that upholds liberty as its principal objective. Libertarians seek to maximize autonomy and freedom of choice, emphasizing political freedom, voluntary association, and the primacy of individual judgment." The only way to ever have the potential of having liberty and freedom is to eliminate social class. If anything, right-"libertariansim" is the oxymoron here." Voluntary association - anarchocapitalism is literally called "voluntarism", because everything relies on consent. Ancom principles force people into a system without their consent, involuntarily.
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  10812. shill for worker's self-management >"Because your point is nonsensical, seeing that far worse things would be happening in capitalism. My argument here is that significantly fewer bad things would be happening in a left-anarchist society." It's not nonsensical, it's a cop out. It's a form of whataboutism that ever since the Soviet Union has been used to prop up America or the West as a strawman. The same exact type of fallacy can be used to deflect all problems in the West because "it's worse in Africa". I guess we can't talk about serious issues and the fact that the world is falling apart because the poor kids in Africa have it way worse. Just drop the "African Child" card on the table and you automatically win every argument. >"If the workers who control their workplace want it, it gets done. That's the whole point of worker's self management. And trust me, workers would want safety regulations." Exactly, it gets done. It's not a regulation, it's people making a business decision. If they figure "we can't waste time securing this because we're responsible for feeding the people and if we fail they starve" there's no regulation. In a market, at least there can be regulation without law because of insurances, liabilities, etc but also because the consumer will prefer a quality product. Without a market, people get whatever is available and the producers must keep producing whatever the costs or society collapses. >"It's quite stupid and childish of you to posit a system where people can project power outside of itself, but then denounce me for proposing the same thing." That's the thing. I can murder a dozen people right now, doesn't mean it's legal. I can do whatever I want until someone stops me, that's not a failing of the justice system or the government. Anarcho-capitalism "allows" something in the sense that things can simply exist, such as murderous people or people hungry for power. It doesn't make it right. However, you need a monopoly on power to implement anarcho communism and to maintain it. You pretended that you're only using force on outsiders, conveniently ignoring in-fighting, dispatching dissidents and the fact that if you're being invaded, you're using force inside the system, not outside it. >"What would stop that from happening? You're a god damn clown." Maybe the fact that printed circuit boards and silicon based processors are something most people can't build in their garage? Maybe the fact that you don't have access to all the raw materials and rare minerals being produced in China. >"but ultimately worthwhile" The road to hell is paved with good intentions. >"You could use resource requests to take the role of prices" That's called "debt". >"Like I said, this would all happen before anarchism can even be in place, and it's necessary." Of course it's necessarily, otherwise it won't work. Your excuse is literally saying that "it's not real anarchism" and conveniently placing anarchism right after the atrocities are committed. >"When we use the most general sense of imperialism, anything can be imperialism, so you've take the word and devalued it to the point that it's meaningless." So like fascism? We've come full circle.
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  10813. Mudcrab Currency doesn't need enforcement. It's either accepted or it's not. One of the worst things in the world is that governments and central banks print money not tied to a reliable currency (such as gold). The amount of gold in existence depends on the rate of extraction, and it's not easy to extract. The amount of money in existence depends solely on how much they printed, and printing money is much easier than extracting gold, which leads to inflation. Government enforced fiat currency is horrible. No, actually most people do not accept the fact they lost. Have you heard any thing politicians or talk show hosts say whenever their side is not in power? It's 4 to 8 years of whining. Look, voting is a "damned if you do, damned if you don't" situation because if you don't do it then you have no right to complain, and if you did vote then you don't have a right to complain either because you tacitly accepted the outcome by participating. Just like you are telling us right now, that people have to accept the loss. The fact is that you're left with a ruler which you didn't consent to, and things that go against people's consent are typically bad. In principle, they're pretty much wrong. >"It's pretty funny to me that the only people that preach anarchism as a valid form of government are people who live in capitalist societies" You have to be shitting me. Anarcho-capitalism is the fastest growing faction in anarchy because disgruntled right-wing people and libertarians discovered how deep the rabbit hole goes in just a few decades, while other factions of anarchy depend on impressionable teenagers reading Karl Marx. Anarchy is the truest extent of capitalism because it eliminates the rotten corporatism which uses force of law to benefit the wealthy and protect monopolies. >"The only people I ever hear extol the virtues of anarchism are young liberal arts majors who never had to work a day in their lives" I'm a mechanical engineering student, but nice try. I know anarchists who do everything from working retail to the medical field, from welders to police dispatchers.
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  10838. Peter Donnelly >"Portugal is a vastly poor country, yet you seem to have no concept of this." I have. "Vastly poor" means that we have VW Golfs instead of two SUVs like American families, most people have 30Mb/s optic fiber instead of the more expensive 100Mb/s, etc. We're not sub-Saharan Africa, even though we joke about it. It's a first world nation and you called it "lower 2nd world". You know what "second world" is? Emerging economies like Brasil. >"Portugal is poor as hell, it is a failure." It's not a "failure". This trend only started 30 years ago. I hate the Fascists, but we were extremely wealthy. The problem started when we replaced the Fascists with Communists and Socialists, and all of our wealth vanished. England only became a shithole "recently" too. We're a lesser industrialized nation where most people, despite earning less than the English, are able to live "comfortably". England is a more industrialized nation (even though your industry is going down the drain) but where the poor are extremely poor and the violent crime rates are horrible compared to the rest of Europe. Your university tuition fees are getting too expensive. Plus, if Scotland leaves the UK, you guys will take a big economic hit. >"Quit being so nationalistic, you can't see the trees through the branches." I'm not a nationalist. I love my homeland but I hate my country and what it has become. I take no pride in the accomplishments of people I never met and I don't hate people for being born in a different country - if you don't recall, I called my own country a shithole at least once in this discussion. But this whole thing started with me comparing London to Lisbon - it started with me comparing London with American cities and telling you that you can live more comfortably in those cities despite being regarded as shitholes in America. How am I nationalist if I'm telling you a country I'm not from is better than the UK? I was just using facts. I gave you the numbers. I linked you to sources. Yet you don't believe that the UK would be the second poorest state in the US.
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  10843. Robot HandLove That's beside the point. I did vote at those elections, for the party that "won" because I predicted something like that would happen. And guess what, my vote didn't matter. I didn't consent to be governed by the coalition, and yet I am. My participation only serves to justify the process with a "you lost fair and square". But I'll humour you. Nobody is going to care or remember in 4 years. And even if that was the case, your defense is that the democratic process works by forcing you to wait 4 years? That's what we reward shitty politicians with, 4 years? What if the next prime minister sucks too? 8 consecutive years of sucky governments. That's a pretty bad deal right there. Okay, if people end up liking the coalition in the future, how does that justify their win today? Elections aren't retroactive. All those fuckers were flip flopping on the coalition issue before the elections, got buttmad for losing and did something the people did not vote in favour for. >"Right now where I am from a center right coalition is in power so it goes both ways." The point isn't the way it goes. I did vote for the center right but only because I predicted that they'd lose and I didn't want a left-wing coalition to win. If I had my way nobody would win. In fact, the right wing did the coalition thing to win the election before the last one. My point was that a vote for the Communist Party, supposedly cast by someone who identifies with Communist ideals, being used to boost the center-left is spitting in the face of communists.
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  10862. Citrakite Mail is easily cinched with a belt, what exactly is the method for plate armor, considering that's the subject of the discussion? There's also the fact that there's a "right" way to pack a rucksack in a way that puts it's center of gravity as close to the lower back/hip area as possible, and the top of the rucksack has the lighter items such as waterproof tarps and sleeping bags. Steel is steel. You can't put the least dense items on the top and the heavier ones at the hips. In the majority of NATO nations, as far as I know the doctrine is to drop the rucksacks when under fire. In case your unit is the attacking one, rucksacks are left at a RV point and not taken into an assault. That's why the webbing a soldier carries into the field should normally carry items necessary for 24h survival without the pack. You don't drop armor before a fight. >"the big travel pack of 50kg+ everyone bitches about padding or not" And that fucker is designed to be carried in a more efficient manner. Modern soldiers, specially light infantry that relies less of vehicles, carry more weight than previously because it wasn't possible to carry that much weight back in the Roman times. In fact, gear gets lighter but packs roughly stay the same. Why? Because as gear gets lighter that means soldiers can carry more. >"Sorry but it's not unrealistic or unreasonable that a woman could and would wear plate armor" You're correct. However, wearing it and fighting in it are very different things. >"Hema and other SCA events would seem to agree woman with a sword can kill a man with a sword same style, same training." As impressive it is, HEMA is a controlled and mostly "fair" environment. A fight to the death between a man and a woman wearing plate, with both of them fatigued from fighting will be far from a fair fight. Have you seen the video of the man vs woman in the military fighting with those padded staffs? The man just runs through the woman.
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  10863. Citrakite >"Fact remains plate armor is spread across the body to start with unlike a pack." Sure, you're not lifting the legs portion with your torso, but everything above the waist is being carried by the spine. The pack is designed to sit at the optimal spot and there's a proper way to wear them so that your spine doesn't crumple under the weight. It's better to have weight on the hips than spread over the torso. >"Combat pack (who weight is equal to armor weight) is not dropped" Assault packs are much smaller than rucksacks. Their carry capability is inferior and so is the attachment to the body. In vehicle-supported infantry and in modern "war on terror" settings things like assault packs are important but they're less relevant for foots soldiers with limited vehicle support in a state of total war, who need rucksacks to sustain themselves with food and shelter. You have to understand that a lot of modern developments were made to respond to conflicts which are not total war. >"Romans actually carry about the same load." What weights more, a kilo of steel or a kilo of feathers? >"it'd be lot more fair they you give credit for." Except real life isn't a videogame where you lose a stamina bar. Much worse things happen during real combat. A male and female knight who took a pounding before meeting each other in the battlefield have not sustained the same damage. >"Who ever fucks up first dies, male or female" That's the "technically" correct approach, but just like in a lot of fighting sports the technical counter-striker can be overwhelmed. A man delivering blows on a woman in a way that makes it impossible to take advantage of mistakes will never "fuck up". >"given we tend to naturally underestimate women i say it's unfair to the male and he;'s going to be shanked" That's actually ridiculous. You're telling me that in a world where women are a real threat in the battlefield, they'll still be underestimated? So there's actual theory and empirical evidence in the technique of sword wielding but knights would ignore the advantages of knowledge based tactics as soon as gender is introduced? A male knight would have gone through training with female knights as good as him and still not believe in their capabilities? And how would the enemy immediately identify the gender? Unless the enemy was of enough stature to be knowledgeable about every knight on the enemy side, he wouldn't know. >"Then it's skill speed and probably a bit of luck on who wins" And who's heavier. That's why we have weight classes in fighting sports. For an equal playing field the average woman knight would have to be the same size as the average men. It's hardly a victory for women when only the strongest and most athletic women are able to keep up with the average male knight with comparable training.
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  10879. TheWokenSpirit Oh boy. There are several forms of social control of the means of production and I will give myself the liberty to judge some undemocratic processes as a form of "democratic control" when socialist theorists specifically called for those means to be utilized. This means that virtually every "socialism in name only" projects started as "democratic" when violent revolution was used to bring socialism (because socialist theorists called for it) or that a "true" democracy was in place (if the elections were rigged it's not my damned fault) and therefore the planned economy was in fact in the hands of the people. Even you would agree that a plumber would probably not do very well as an economy planner so that's where the several types of social control come in. I consider myself a reasonable man and I find these standards to be reasonable. I simply will not allow myself to be boxed into your own personal variant of anarcho-molotov-chomskianism, if we're debating socialism then the door is open to the several socialist theories. Anything else is cherry picking. On the flip side, you also cannot box me into corporate capitalism, in fact you know nothing about me and already strawmanned me. You can't go "not real socialism!" and then open yourself to a "not real capitalism!" retort. It would result into yet another childish debate on youtube. If you were being honest you wouldn't use that type of argument while limiting my argument to your own personal view of what true socialism is.
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  10880. TheWokenSpirit Again, not my fault anything has been "perverted". And I am sorry, but there is no way that 7 billion people can regulate distribution and exchange. Realistically, the "not true socialist" states were almost perfect implementations of socialist theory. Remember the point I made about anarcho-molotov-chomskianism? Yeah, I'm not particularly interested in hearing about a stateless society that is also magically ran by democracy (because that makes fucking sense) but also won't go the way of anarcho-syndicalism like it did in Spain. For all intents and purposes, it is socialism if it was put in power undemocratically by socialists (because socialism allows for that) or if the state planned economy can be controlled by the people through democratic suffrage. >"but there are many places in the Europe and america where it's working pretty damn well" Holy shit. So Venezuela, the USSR, etc are perversions of socialism despite implementing the theory almost perfectly, but European countries which are heavily corporatist and have some of the highest indexes of economic freedom (remember, property rights is the antithesis to the worker's ownership of the means of production) are the best example of socialism working well? >"you have yet to provide a reason in which modern capitalism is better than and capitalism that is regulated with socialism" So capitalism regulated by giving the workers ownership of the means of production and control over exchanges? That's not capitalism because it ends property rights, how can a system be capitalist and at the same time allow the seizure of property from the owners/investors/etc? How high are you?
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  10892. Justin Bayley It's still not democratic socialism. When you pool your resources (involuntarily) and you realize you can't share that pooled wealth with everyone who comes along you have to draw a line in the sand. That's why Bernie wants it to be rainbows and sunshine, but to even pretend that can work the US can't become the world's soup kitchen. It's for "us", but only "us". >"so how is it aggressive?" If any legal action is taken against someone who never committed aggression, that is a violation of their rights. Trying to stop a non-violent person from roaming the Earth is an act of aggression.  >"And I can be humanitarian and have a border." All a border is good for is to violate the rights of people who cross the imaginary line. Or in case of communist countries, the ones trying to leave. If you don't feel the need to bring anyone who comes through to the Law, you don't need a border. >"I can promote human wellbeing without having to give my wallet and sharing my house with someone who does not have one." It's your property. But do you own your country? >"I'm unclear what principle and result you're referring to" Either way you look it's because a) employment (or lack thereof) and b) drain on programs. Wording those beliefs in a different way doesn't make them better. >"Bernie just wants those who are here now illegally to have a path to citizenship which is quite literally a sort of amnesty" But what about those trying to cross "illegally"? >"That's humanitarian because it protects those who would otherwise be marginalized, and exploited, and abused (which is happening and it's abhorrent) and thus promoting human welfare" Strong words considering that in most cases they're better off in the US. It also wouldn't promote human welfare because by making them legal they'd be in equal footing with unemployed Americans. Now they'd be unemployed unless they consented to the same levels of exploitation as before.
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  10904. Mya Elbows >"So your answer to negligence is not to enact better screening but to revolt with firearms?" "Better screening" the catch-all solution for severe issues. You know damned well that's not going to do anything. "Negligence" is a euphemism, the government was buying clean water for themselves. They claimed the water was safe to drink! That's not just "negligence".. >"I find it hard to believe you think an armed revolt against the government would solve anything" If it wasn't for one, I would be living in a fascist dictatorship. I have a lot to thank to armed revolts. >"All that would happen, as I stated earlier, is those people would die, and the government would go about their business." Not really, if those people died then for every one of them another 49 innocent civilians would die. That's the problem of fighting an insurrection, people don't like when they're the eggs that have to be cracked to make the omelette. >"this specific example is what i'm talking about" So you limit the scope of the argument to suppress the evidence that the government is working against you, and make it just about the Flint water crisis so you can cry strawman. Yours is a grand doctrine. I show you there's more than enough cumulative evidence to prove that the government is spiraling into tyranny, and you simply shrug it off as "off topic". Wow. >"with legislation" You mean the same legislation that allowed severe breaches of the constitution to happen? The same legislation that despite of the right to not self-incriminate, will put people in jail indefinitely if they do not de-encrypt their storage for the authorities?
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  10911. Machinshin That's fallacious as hell. We got tons of political parties in Europe but except in places like the UK, it's a two party system. There's the communists, the hard right people, etc that almost nobody votes for and some fringe groups that only secure a couple of seats every election. Then there's two major parties or coalitions that end up winning 31% vs the runner-up's 28%. In my country, it's the Socialist Party and the Social Democrats. One is center-left and the other is center-right. They're almost on top of each other in the political spectrum, but since they're two major parties they bicker instead of working together. >"Imho one must often choose the middlepath in many matters for something good to happen" False Dilemma is a fallacy, but so is Argument to Moderation. If I say the sky is blue and you say it's red, compromising and agreeing that it's purple doesn't solve anything. Gun owners are used to "compromise", ie we had things taken from us without anything being given in return, but eery time a new proposed legislation comes we are told to meet them halfway and compromise. >"I think the main problem is that americans has been taught to choose side all the time." Again, this happens all over the world, and sometimes a side has to be chosen. In a subject that matters to me, staying on the fence is hardly going to do me any good. I may stay on the fence on things that don't matter to me at all, and I'm not going to talk about those often, am I? This gives the appearance that I chose sides on everything, when I only did it on like 10% of the subjects. The other 90% are simply not important enough for me to talk about. So if I care about gun rights, what do I get by staying in the middle ground other than tacitally accepting what the antis want?
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  10963. Keksgestalt >"military weaponry is forbidden to citizens in europe" In Germany you can own an AR15. You can hunt with one too, as long as you don't put more than two rounds in the magazine. You can also own an AR15 in Italy. In France you can own a Saiga and convert it back to AK form. A Glock is a weapon used by the military. It's legal in many European countries. The CZ-75 is a military weapon. In my country it's the basis for many competitive shooting weapons. In my country I could get a SPAS-12, which is rare in the US because they ended up getting the import banned. I could also get the Benelli M4 Super 90 in the M1014 form the US military has, which can't be imported into the US because of the "military" stock. >"what matters are the nations under the black line, and i am pretty sure that a lot of european nations are under this line" A lot of European nations prove you are wrong. Most countries with high gun control have high firearms deaths. The countries that bring the line into a negative R^2 are the European countries with high rates of firearm ownership but low gun murder. That's why the line matters - it's going DOWN (less murders the more guns you have) and not UP Can you even read a graph? Have you never studied statistics? >"but with a first world nation" You don't make the rules - plus, you can't compare the US to European countries when the US is way more comparable to Brazil or Mexico than Denmark, Italy or France. But just for you, first world nations: http://www.realclearscience.com/blog/2013/03/guns-neither-increase-nor-decrease-crime-rate.html >"i bet that germany is close to this" You'd lose that bet. With 25,000,000 firearms in civilian hands, Germany is one of the most well-armed nations with 30.3 firearms per 100 people. It's the 4th country with the most guns (in number), and the 15th highest rate of gun ownership (guns/people) in the world.
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  10971. JC545X39  >"If we would stop trying to impress the world and look good and justified" You guys haven't tried really hard. You do realize half of the world still thinks the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq should have been ruled as illegal, right? The US doesn't look good or justified and that's exactly why these wars have to stop. People around the world aren't exactly happy about a Nobel peace prize recipient drone striking innocent children. >"just go and do what needs to be done and go home, we wouldn't have this problem" You can't. Once you get involved is like stepping into quicksand. You kill a few people. Then what? ISIS grows back or a new splinter group is formed. You guys were in Iraq for almost a decade and look at what happened. If you spend a month in there and leave, you really think it's going to change and you won't have to go back again? >"The rest of the world is always going to hate us or dislike us because they are jealous, so we might as well stop trying to gain their approval with out spineless ROE." Dude. Stop living under a rock. We don't hate the US. The problem is that you guys send your young, your future, to get their legs blown off in a country they shouldn't be in the first place. We DON'T hate the US. We hate the fact that for every terrorist you guys kill with drones, 49 innocent civilians have to die. We're not jealous. We don't care about your ROE because no matter what you will kill civilians - and every civilian you kill leaves a dozen relatives who will want to join ISIS to avenge their deaths
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  10972. JC545X39 I know what you mean. It's not going to work and it's definitely not a long term solution. Whatever you think you will "end" by going in and out will start happening the minute your boots leave that ground. >"Oh, and for the record, pretty much everybody here with half a backbone left and a couple of brain cells to rub together for friction just about died when they named that Joke a Nobel Peace Prize winner just for getting elected." I know. But the point is that you're missing the reasons people outside the US judge their military action abroad. It's not the ROEs. Independently of the ROE you will kill a shit ton of civilians. It's war, any country would shell innocent women and children. The point is, it's military action abroad. That's our problem. The way you do it is an argument for the hippies who actually care. Most people in Europe, etc have bigger problems in their lives. They can't bother to hate another country with the passion you describe. I just called you out because your speech seemed a little pathetic and borderline nationalist. It's like those people who think all of their detractors are "haters" and they're all like "hurr I love having haters". That's 7th grade shit. Boat >"Disenfranchised?" My god, you are just making up your own story now.  No, the Free Syrian Army is not ISIS. I was talking about homegrown terrorists in US soil. You know, that thing that just a few posts ago was terrifying you? How you managed to go from homegrown terrorists to convincing yourself that I was talking about the FSA even though I never mentioned them will forever remain a mystery. >"their goal is to end western civilization and replace it with an Islamic caliphate." And until they try we have no reason to intervene. Let them try. >"Therefore, we do have a legitimate right to go into Iraq and clean up the garbage." Me saying that I'm going to cut your neck and shit down your throat does not give you the right to break into my house and kill me. I'd have to confront you with a knife for my threat to become credible. >"Assad would probably even love for us to go into Syria too if we have to." No, because Assad is on Putin's side. If the US enters Syria, Qatar will be able to complete their pipeline and Europe won't need Putin's natural gas. >"All my active, reserved, and even discharged friends all have said they'd more than happily go back to take these bastards out." Then why haven't they bought a plane ticket and gone? Oh wait, because it's better to send others. Look, I also know plenty of people in the military, not just in my country but also in the US. Basic is designed to give you morning wood for combat. Even if you're a POG. If you didn't get it, morning wood is caused by a filled bladder and not arousal. Those kids don't know what combat is, so obviously they're willing to take part in it. Even though 22 veterans kill themselves every day, which clearly shows how good it is to send people into foreign countries to fight. Heck, there's probably people willing to sell themsleves into slavery. If you think it's your patriotic duty, I don't think it's immoral to go. I think it's immoral for a GOVERNMENT to have some old people making deadly decisions, charging the taxpayer to do it and then sit on their comfortable chairs because they know they'll never have to fight that war. >"maybe even worse considering Dems and Repubs agree on attacking ISIS Maybe because Dems and Repubs are both shitstains. Do you think the Founding Fathers would have approved of the current state of affairs? Political parties controlling public opinion, foreign intervention? >"When ISIS does toss an airliner into a skyscraper or drops a dirty bomb in the middle of a shopping mall, I want you to think long and hard about your defending their sorry asses." You know that dirty bombs are ridiculously easy to clean, right? Thanks for proving you've been brainwashed into fearing something that can't kill more than a regular bomb. Wasn't the biggest bomb massacre in the US caused by a "patriot" in a militia? I won't think long about it. It was you guys who funded and trained the "moderate" rebels who would then become ISIS. It will be the US government with innocent blood on their hands. In fact, you're probably itching for that blood to be spilled because it would justify the invasion.
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  10978. Leo Scarpoli If there's a conspiracy, what do you think is more likely? Whites controlling haircuts, or the media telling you what to think, how to vote, etc.? You were told by the media about this situation and the ethnic background of the school board was left out. Right there you know two things 1) there's and angle to it and 2) they're making money out of viewer outrage. The media that told you about this has a motive to lie. While you're wasting your time stressing about peanuts, you've swallowed a narrative hook line and sinker and already accepted the dismissal for when the "angle" they tried to sell you was debunked. The blacks were controlled by the whites, then - forget everything and move onto the next controversy. That keeps you away from asking the real questions. The conspiracy sells you smaller conspiracies because we can't accept a flawless world. Have you watched The Matrix? People didn't want a flawless world, so they rebelled against the machines. They gave The Matrix flaws. But then people wanted choice. So they rebelled again. Now follow my train of thought - wouldn't it have been easier to have two layers in The Matrix (which was actually a fan theory after Reloaded came out), the average human being trapped in The Matrix while the redpills are simply transported to a higher level - but still inside The Matrix? Their desire for choice and freedom is kept while still trapped, but they're so distracted by the war they're fighting they don't bother question if they're really out.
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  11008. Ayanle Farah I know what you meant, my point was that there are too many factors to keep track of. It's not a wage at that point, it has so much oversight and control by the government it's welfare. Hence "wild goose chase" - a perpetual game of catching up. >"The minimum wage of $1.60 an hour in 1968 would be $10.90 today when adjusted for inflation according to the Bureau of Labor" And mid-60's to mid-70's was a period of great economic expansion (above 4% GDP growth, with 67 or 68 achieving 5% growth) while the last few years were kind of shitty. You're literally comparing a golden age to a post-crisis period. >"But not trying to do anything and staying with the status quo doesn't seem like an appealing alternative to me at all." So it's the "we gotta do something" fallacy all over again, fuck what's being actually done, or the rationale behind it, or the results. It's just doing that matters. My point is that the idea has to make sense, when we can't even define what the living wage even is! Challenging the status quo? Please, your hypothetical single mother working at Target is going to climb the corporate ladder (not the economic one) as a result of getting a few extra bucks/hour? How the hell will it challenge status quo? Millionaires who employ small numbers of workers are for minimum wage hikes - they pay their experienced and qualified workers more already so they don't get affected, while their competition that relied on minimum wage workers is forced to either cut personnel or raise prices which makes them lose market share. I'm not sure sure of what the store is because I'm not American, but they're like wholesalers and most of their workers are highly qualified because they need to operate forklifts, etc and they'd love to see the Walmarts and Targets dying. If anything it reinforces the status quo, it puts experience and qualifications on a pedestal, the older people keep their jobs by pricing the younger workers out of the line of work. >"You use a lot of loaded words such as charity and welfare. People are still putting in work since it's hourly pay." What for? It would actually be easier to just pay everyone a livable wage. Minimum wage jobs would be unpaid and every other job would get a pay cut - ie if a doctor is making 50 bucks an hour and the livable wage is 15, he now gets paid 35 because he's getting 15 from the government. That's what I'm getting at when calling it welfare. It's a system, and a government controlled one at that, rather than spontaneous trade relations between employer and employee. Your worldview is kind of simplistic, isn't it? If they're working 7 bucks worth of labour per hour and getting 10, those three extra bucks are charity. Just putting in the work doesn't automatically make every cent worth it. Example: I never got any money for doing chores but there's families that do that. Those kids get more money than their labour was worth - it's their allowance and whatnot. Making a bed, washing some dishes and putting the clothes on the drier can be considered "putting in the work" but the reward for it is greater than the value of the labour. Just because there was work involved doesn't mean every cent was deserved.
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  11010. +Jay West I don't see how capitalism "requires" open borders. If the borders are controlled to verify who is getting in and limiting visas, people are prevented from entering willy nilly but the businesses can 1) use visas to coerce foreigners into working for less than nationals (corporations like Intel bring Indian engineers to work for them for half the price of an American one, and they can't complain or their visa expires and they're legally required to go back); 2) outsource labour. In theory a perfectly capitalist aka completely free market would happen in a place freedom of travel is least infringed on. But it's not strickly necessary. The problem with your argument is that it exposes socialism to the "socialism always runs out of other people's money" meme. Socialism can't work because everyone will try to get it and benefit from it without giving back? Why is that concept true to people coming in externally, but not true to the natives to that country? A lot of people will exploit the system and not give anything back internally. But somehow immigration will be the problem? I mean the whole point of socialism is dismantling profits and private property. If socialism works so great, it should be able to deal with an influx of people from all over the world. Socialists claim that their planning allocates resources better than capitalism. No matter how many come in everyone will have jobs, houses, etc. What gives? It is xenophobia. Because the "common sense" argument essentially defeats socialism at the theoretical level.
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  11025. Ike Evans Thanks for misinterpreting my argument. Of course I support carry rights and the right to protect yourself. But does an intruder have the right to carry arms in (say) your home? Does he have the right to defend himself if you try to stop him? By going abroad, you're the outsider. You don't have the right to defend yourself in other's land. >"Because of the military, conflict will be less likely, not more" Except both contemporary and historical evidence say the opposite. You can't apply "good guy with a gun" logic to a situation of military intervention. Military intervention leads to conflict. The longer the US stayed in Afghanistan, the more people were willing to join the Taliban. Heck, Afghanistan asked for the Soviet Union to intervene and pacify the country. What happened? Rebellion. Then the US supported the Mujaheddin against the Soviets. More outside intervention - what did it lead to? Civil war. What did American and Pakistan intelligence do to stop it? Create the Taliban and send them to rule Afghanistan. Do you understand that for every action there is a reaction? By sending the military, even with the approval of local governments, you are automatically picking the government side, It just may happen that people don't like it. Even if conflict doesn't happen initially at one point the military will leave and then what? >"Meanwhile the doctors can get around to not only saving the lives of thousands of people in Africa" You can only be healed if you consent. Thanks to the bastards who spread around rumours that white people created Ebola and other beliefs stemming from religion or tribal traditions, more lives will be saved by allowing the people from Africa to provide security and everything else is needed to get the people who do consent to be treated away from those who don't. The more outsiders we send there, the more it becomes neo-colonialism and the harder it becomes for treatments to be administered. >"but also preventing a further outbreak that could pose a threat to our own national security later on" Or we could be sending American citizens to be unnecessarily killed or infected and start an actual outbreak on US soil. Didn't the origins of Libertarianism make it pretty clear that getting involved in other countries' bullshit is wrong and costly?
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  11026. Ike Evans >"First, we are not invading thses countries. We are there with the permission of the existing governments of those regions." 1. Like the locals give a damn. Would you enjoy the Chinese or the UN being all up in your shit at the invitation of the US government? 2. Again, their governments are not to be trusted and for all we know pre-deployment, it's possible for military presence to cause a rift between government and populace. Are you on the side of the people or the side of the government? 3. It will still be the US taxpayer footing the bill. >"Second, the military doesn't always lead to more violence, especially when the mission is peace keeping in nature. " Afghanistan and Iraq are really peaceful now. >"He said, "the military showed up and everyone stopped fighting."" Because the fighting had already started. If you arrive at a tense but peaceful situation with a foreign military force you release the tension into violence. The Balkan situation was a far cry from an African Ebola outbreak. >"My point is that after the invasion was complete, whatever measures of peace was attained was the result of the us military presence, no despite it" Except there wasn't real peace. Were insurgent/taliban activities suppressed during the invasions in the middle east? Sure. Did it cause the number of people willing to join to drop? No. Did it prevent them from simply rolling back and gaining the control they were losing? No. Which leads me to the next point: >"nothing is happening" Hindsight is 20/20. It could have just as well resulted in a shitstorm and for all we know the US might be using this as a bargain tool for African resources (not necessarily for the US but as favours for other countries) or strengthening America's foothold in the continent. What if it causes a shitstorm when the US leaves? Maybe not getting involved was the best option to begin with. >"We have our guys over there providing security for the doctors while they save lives" Africa has soldiers and guns, you know? Why does it have to be the Americans? If the doctors need protection, does it mean the doctors are wanted there? This neo-colonialism thing got old really fast.
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  11058. The solenoid is a better option than electric motor driving the locking piece. Either way, it still relies on a mechanical safety - aka the thing we're all told not to rely on. This isn't about hacking someone's specific gun. Just the fact that if people start using smart guns, some tech-savvy people will start making money by selling criminals something that jams signals or overpowers the sensors with noise, aka an electronic gizmo that "creates a gun free zone"around you. Hacking your specific gun? That's far fetched. But the option to protect you from smart guns? If you could pay a few bucks for that technology wouldn't you wear it during robberies? "Biometrics is good enough on phones" well I don't consider them good enough so I never use my biometric lock, second they're a massive security breach and everyone using biometrics on their phones and laptops is being stupid. There have been fingerprint database leaks, it's been proven that hackers can steal fingerprints off high res photos, and for the civil-liberty-conscious people having a biometric phone lock means the authorities can easily enter your devices. But I digress. They're considered "good enough" because even if you need to call 911, having to try two or three times is no big deal. But if you need a gun and it goes "click" because the biometric scanner failed , you might not get another chance. "And what situation are you gonna be in where someone else needs to unlock their gun for you to use? And how likely is that to happen?" How likely is it going to be that I'll need a gun? Very unlikely. You're asking me to consider a worst case scenario, but then asking me to think a home invasion will go smoothly under controlled conditions. There won't be any blood or sweat, I will not get injured, etc. And by the way, there are several news stories of underage kids being able to retrieve parent's guns and win gunfights versus career criminals. So it's not that far fetched that an unauthorized user may need to use the gun. "then why go through the bother of harassing and sending death threats to the manufacturers?" And where the fuck have I defended the threats? Why are you asking me that question?
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  11064. Cory Mck >"If you vote for Trump because you agree on some particular issues than you aren't "left"" That's ridiculous. Both Hillary and Trump have horrendous track records, for him the score was tied so gun control was the decisive factor. It wasn't a matter of agreeing with Trump, it was a matter of being impossible to agree with both. Hillary isn't left either, because the Democrat party isn't left on a "true" political spectrum, it's a relative left. But then we're talking about someone who's atheist and openly anti-theist, pro-choice, thinks healthcare is a human right (ie doesn't subscribe to the positive/negative rights theory), etc which would make him a purely American Democrat, the "relative left". It's the convention that makes sense for America, last time I checked President Obama sat around halfway through the "right" side of the "true" spectrum. If you mean "left" as in someone whose political opinions are Rage Against The Machine lyrics, the argument stops making sense in America's political landscape. >"But if you support trumps ideas or support Trump in spite of them, you would not be left wing." But that's a No True Scotsman. If one is able to concilie his islamophobic policies with border security during war, accept that his anti-Mexican views are put in practice by Democrats as well (3.5 million deported during the current administration), etc that's half the arsenal the mainstream media throws at him. His plan to fix healthcare sounds better than Obamacare. It's not hard to agree with Trump. Almost no politician has a true principled approach, both Democrats and Republicans do not fight for what is right, they fight for what they want. From the standpoint that both sides lack principles, most of what Trump says he's going to do can and has been "translated" by the Democrats so they could apply it. Heck, they took a scheme to line the pockets of insurance companies and passed it off as a bleeding heart socialist healthcare program. That was true right-wing corporatism and they were able to make it look like it was leftist. >"How did I move the goalpost? I don't understand." It was about how the left was responsible for Trump's success, and then you made the argument about people switching from the left to Trump's side. Totally different things. >"Moderates normally exist between liberal and conservative, but that is a technicality. I said I don't believe anyone could be moderate and vote for Trump, but that is based on Trump, not the definition of moderate. Trump is very far right." But the definition of moderate is very important, because you're taking the absolute "centerpoint" definition of moderate when in real life moderates exist in a spectrum. A republican moderate will side with either (there are conservatives who will be voting Hillary, I have to congratulate her for the internet shilling her campaign has been doing) and there's nothing extraordinary about a moderate republican siding with a republican candidate. >"And lastly, I still don't see how liberals using facist is the reason that people don't realize Trump fits the definition. Many people are just willing to accept him regardless of his thought, actions, or history." Did you watch the video? Then don't claim Trump fits the definition. He wants 11 million hispanics deported - current administration deported 3.5 million. The current administration stood for more war, more imperialism, more warrantless spying, more loss of civil liberties, etc - if Trump fits the definition then everyone does, I mean, economic growth through warfare and expansionism was literally one of the fascist ideals. The Democrats that pretend to be for capitalism and the ones who claim they want to regulate it are in fact just people who are obeying their lobbyists and passing corporatist legislation - just like the Nazis helped out their industrial and banking friends while fucking over the businesses owned by people they didn't like. Calling everyone a fascist watered down the insult. Calling Trump a fascist when his beliefs are as American as apple pie just doesn't have any effect because people have stopped listening. It's like being called racist by BLM or sexist by a bunch of feminists - the vast majority of people already thinks they're out of their mind and will sympathize with the accused rather than with the accuser.
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  11065. Cory Mck >"It wasn't a no true Scotsman argument at all. Society has clearly defined what is considered socially and economically "left v right" wing policies & opinions. I never said 1 was right and the other was wrong." It is a no true scotsman. For example, like claiming that a true communist wouldn't vote Hillary. I bet you'll find tons of people, even from the anarchist spectrum, who will waste no time in telling you to vote Hillary solely so that Trump doesn't win. >"you first comment was about people switching from the left to Trump" Nope. "_It makes sense, because people have grown tired of their antics and now they've gone full Trump rather than going moderate._" You were the first to bring that one up. >"Why are you using the current administration as an argument? It doesn't relate to my comment." Because reality cannot be denied. Anything bad Trump has said, the "American left" has done it already. Heck, complain about the patron saint FDR for the Japanese internment camps, and sometimes they'll actually try to justify it. The cognitive dissonance is in all of us. It does relate to your comment because by your own standards those who voted for Obama or defend the current President are involved with political moves that are very Trump-like. By your own standards, people who voted for a Democrat candidate cannot be on the left because they've supported policies that Trump wants. >"how are his beliefs American?" Loud and obnoxious. Can't get more American than that. >"One of the more diverse modern countries in the world. Fighting for segregation." You mean like it did before Civil Rights became popular? >"And most importantly, address my comment or don't comment, I never made any of the arguments that you tried citing me for." I cited what I cited, if I didn't cite it then I didn't try to cite you for them. Try saying that three times fast.
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  11124. the500mphtortoise >"(ie you wouldn't use that argument to not provide an air force)" Debatable. Private airliner companies provide us with constantly flying jets. Baby steps. I know fully well that I'm not going to live in a perfectly just society because I'd never live that long. Not even this generation's children will be able to live free from being forced to pay for stuff they aren't using. >"government healthcare has the potential to reduce costs by being able to bargain down pharmaceutical companies" But the people in the government are there because they received campaign donations. Even if they didn't, they are often promised positions in the board of some company. If the guy bargaining with the pharmaceutical company is in debt to that company or is promised a job there, you're going to pay more than you would at market value. Look, the government is more than free to start up their own healthcare service and provide it to whoever wants it. Those people pay for it. Just like those who don't have netflix shouldn't have to be obligated to pay for netflix. Look, let's assume that nobody is the government was in bed with the company. In their eyes, they are not forced to make a profit because they can always steal our money from us. Why would you focus on quality or cost efficiency if you're buying something for someone else you don't care about, and you're not using your own money? The US government dug itself into 17 trillion of debt assuming you'd be there to pay for it. Why do you think healthcare would be any different?
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  11128. Jamie Holmes Finland has like 45.7 guns per 100 people. It ranks 4th in the whole world for rate of gun ownership per people. Sweden is 31.6 out of 100 and Norway is 31.3 out of 100. Your argument would work if Japan was an extremely violent society. They'd be violent, but low gun crime because gun control prevented them from using them. The opposite happens. Japan is an extremely safe society, with very low rates on any crime, even rape. And even their metropolitan cities are safe, when in most countries big cities are hotbeds of crime. >"All the gun related killings are from people who stole/imported guns etc." Did you just say that gun control doesn't work because criminals will steal and import guns? >"[redacted] had to plan for years for his attack in Norway partly because of the merchandise he needed" Hello? He required massive amounts of fertilizer and other chemicals! Not just guns. He planned to smuggle guns into Norway but he, a complete psycho, had an easier time buying them legally. I actually have an interest in energetic materials and synthesis of explosives. I've read some court transcripts because I was interested in his process. Look, the Utoya shooter was borderline retarded. I'm sorry, but he wasn't a terrorist mastermind no matter how much he tries to convince himself of it. To say that he took years to complete his plan isn't saying much considering the dumb choices he made (at one point he was dealing with such a large booster he could have blown himself to bits, unfortunately he didn't make a mistake inside his own property and turned into dust before he killed anyone else) and the very obvious psychological problems that plagued him. >"No wonder America invended School shootings." Before Sandy Hook, Germany was the country that had the worst K-12 shootings. That was a huge low blow which was completely uncalled for, but good thing I'm not American.
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  11138. Shangori >"Wait, if you come with an argument without evidence" Because you refused to read it. Come on, I did not give you a conclusion from a study that never happened, I gave you a verifiable claim by the person who found it. Do I need to teach you how to use google?  >"And it's great you finally show some evidence for your claims (blogs??)" Which point to their sources. Don't grill me when you used wikipedia - they point to primary sources too. Let's not play dumb here, secondary sources are fine. >"nation-wide numbers against state-wide (florida) numbers. That doesn't give a complete picture" Because the data on CCW is state level, not federal. Either way, they're presented in rates so they are comparable. Florida is a shit hole, by the way. >"I might as well compare nation-wide numbers against the numbers of the most thug-ridden city in america and then claim police are better than people with concealed handguns" Because gang members definitely get concealed carry permits. Nothing like leaving a paper trail about your activities on a freaking government office. >"They are, however, the ones who get shot more, and use guns to kill more." One, no source on the getting shot more; two, the states that have statistics on concealed carry permit holders clearly show they are not more likely to commit murder. If you mean they are more likely to use a gun in case they kill, I'll believe you - someone with a gun at home is also more likely to use it if that person ends up killing someone. But if people with concealed carry permits are less likely to kill, then what seems to be the problem? >"the differences between the united states and other western countries that severely restrict guns" You mean countries with no Mexican border, no War on Drugs and no industrial prison complex? Introduce those three factors into any country and you'll have murder rates skyrocket. You're also speaking of countries which are historically safe and have been before gun control was introduced. Point being: don't compare the US to "western" countries. Compare the US, which has a lot of shit holes, with countries that also have a lot of shit holes. Name a shit hole in Canada. Switzerland. Sweden. There aren't any. Even countries like France, Italy, Eastern Europe, etc do not have the sheer number of metropolitan cities that the US has. >"Even your own crimesearch shows the problem of your country:" Did I ever tell you I'm American? Then don't assume I am American. >"Basically, you're one of the worst of every developed nation in the world." Exactly. The United States is a shit hole. Or at least a collection of very large ones, so the US is more comparable to Mexico, etc. where gun violence is really high independently of gun control. And just so you won't miss it - I am no American. Never told you I was so I have no clue why you assuming I am. >"A great source for you to look through" I use gunpolicy.org all the time. You know why? Because it lists decently accurate gun ownership rates in Europe and proves that we are heavily armed yet don't kill each other all the time. There's nothing like someone claiming their country banned all guns and me telling them their country actually has millions of legal firearms in civilian hands. >"Compare it to some countries that have strict gun laws" Compare it to some countries that have strict gun laws but are underdeveloped. You cherry picked heavily civilized countries with strong economic safety nets, low poverty rates and more lenient policies on drugs. >"have restrictive gun-laws" In Switzerland there are classes of firearms that can be obtained without a license. Until recently private sales were completely unregulated and legal, now people have a time limit to send the bill of sale to the constabulary's gun registry. And of course, militia members get fully automatic assault rifles to keep, which they can use to shoot government-subsidized ammunition. >"American gun laws do not work. End of story. " Agree. American gun laws do nothing to remove guns from criminals, they're "make belief".
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  11146. ben borg The shooter from Sandy Hook killed his own mother to gain access to firearms that were secured. Sure, he did have his own gun and used it to kill his mother, but he could have killed his own mother some other way. It was an unfortunate situation because the kid manipulated his mother and she was only trying to bond with her son by taking him to the range. You're wrong because alcohol is related to a) car crashes; b) arguments, which is a common source of homicides; and c) tearing families apart, which not only leads to youth criminality but also domestic violence and even partner homicide between couples. These are three reasons out of the top of my head for why alcohol influences more than just the individual. In fact, the reason mental illness doesn't correlate to violence is because substance abuse is factored out. If you ignore alcohol and drugs as a factor, then mentally ill people tend to be violent - mentally ill people are especially vulnerable to alcohol. My point was also that certain items can't be controlled. I mean, stills, plantations and RVs used to cook meth leave evidence behind and occasionally have fires/blow up so they end up getting caught, but a gun is just metal. Any machine shop in the country can manufacture guns, no need to bring anything from Mexico or deal with drug sniffing dogs. Metal is virtually untraceable. Again, even extreme cases of schizophrenia do not correlate with violence if you factor out substance abuse. Mix schizophrenia with alcohol or drugs and you get someone who can be unstable and become violent.
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  11148. ben borg >"Urm robbers don't usaully kill their victims" Actually in the US some robbers started raping their victims because they'd feel embarrassed reporting the robbery. But either way, who said anything about a robbery? Criminals who want just to steal stuff break into your house during the day while you're at work and there's less neighbours. Many times home invaders attack people they know to have money, so they can ask for safe combinations or take them to their place of business to open safes while holding the family hostage. They're home invaders, they are a danger to anyone inside the house, not mere burglars. >"40 minute wait time where?" A ton of people live outside cities in the US. >"first needs to actually get in wothout waking up teh whole neighbourhood" It's better to just break in. If you're looking for stealing property it's better to plan a faster robbery that gets you out of the scene than spend more time in the area than you need, even if it's noisy. If you watch CCTV of robberies you often see them using crowbars on window frames. >"comes in needs to find the valuables at least 5 mins then needs to grab it and leave  thats at least 15-20 mins." 5 minutes to find the valuables? So you mean that criminals, knowing that cops arrive in 4 minutes or whatever, simply walk around the house for 5 minutes? Anyone who takes that long is already in jail. The criminals who aren't in jail are the ones who haven't been caught yet, so clearly they are faster than the response time. And where do those 15-20 minutes come from? You can't count time before the actual entry. If it's a silent entry you can't predict you're going to be robbed, you're bullshitting by adding time. You enter a house, take the TV, console and laptop and get in a car.
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  11190. Alex Unity Okay stop misspelling my name, I'm not a Spaniard. Again, if you don't agree with the government's mistakes you have no issue being offended, but apparently you're compelled to defend actions you're willing to admit are wrong? Why? >"you are probably in college getting financial aide from my tax money" 1. I'm not. 2. You're probably from a State that takes more taxes from the Federal government than it gives back, since apparently it's okay to make assumptions about other people. >"America is not perfect but by far it is way better than Mexico" That's a bad argument, compare yourself to the kid with straight As, not the kid in the back eating white glue. >"the war on drugs has been over for almost two years so maybe you should update your information" Nope. Until decriminalization, drugs being illegal increase the violence and murder. Portugal decriminalized drugs and the number of addicts dropped 50% in 10 years, along with preventing HIV and Hep transmission from needle sharing. Prohibition only ended when booze became legal. Until then, gangsters were shooting up each other. >"ultimately i just dont understand why you would want to live in a country where you feel that the government is so bad." Because every government is bad. Every government uses the threat of force and kidnap to steal taxes. 90% of the governments have strict gun control laws that are arbitrary and deny it's citizens their basic right to self-defense. Remember learning history and you thought "why didn't just the peasants run away from the feudal lords?"? Well, there's your answer.
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  11217. Back Up >"They were necessary to force an immediate surrender." You're making my point for me. You've abandoned the legitimate military target excuse. You just admitted that an illegitimate target was attacked for the purpose of mass murder - shock and awe. >"If your answers are based on what someone wants to hear, you clearly aren't knowledgeable about world war 2 at all." "What you want to hear" = exactly what the fuck are you asking because it was a bullshit question. How far do you want me to go back when talking about Pearl Harbor? Gunboat Diplomacy? I don't understand the context of the question itself. >"I doubt you even realize that the soviets were fighting Japan as well." Which was one of the reasons that forced the Japanese surrender. You're shooting yourself in the foot now. >"Except they don't. 'Rights' are a complete fabrication." So you've just undermined the whole concept of moral and law. Wow. Tell me, if rights are a fabrication, shouldn't that mean I should kill you right now because you've just admitted that you are a threat to me or others by not respecting rights? I mean, if you have no respect for my right to live, or if such a right doesn't exist, wouldn't I be justified in ending your life to prevent future damage? >"which saved both the lives of many US soldiers" So by implying that a land invasion was necessary you're admitting you don't know about the successful naval blockade and the fact that the Japanese aviation industry could never catch up to the B-29.
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  11602. @Comic Book Guy "defined in the dictionaries" - oh yes, because dictionaries are the ultimate authority in physics. "a camera, whether digital or chemical, or any device being able to detect or show the affects of humanly invisible EM radiation, doesn't = us seeing the invisible EM radiation" - that wasn't the argument. Nobody said that. You said that no EM radiation outside the visible spectrum could be considered light, which is false. "TV remotes don't flash purple or any colour" - again I just said it is interpreted as purple light. "the camera represents the invisible EM radiation with visible EM radiation." - now think long and hard about what you just said because that proves my entire point. "The dark objects/surroundings of night are not made light-grey by night vision cameras" - nobody claimed that. You're grasping at straws to disprove anything, even what was not said. "it seems that the ones who use "Dunning-Kruger" are the ones who've got nothing better than petty ad hominem." - it's not Ad Hominem my guy, you literally just fucking pretended to know better than someone else because you are not aware of a piece of knowledge required to understand his statement. "yet you seem to struggle with the fucking basic concept of INVISIBILITY" - the black hole isn't invisible. We can see the orange glow of the accretion disc. That's how we knew where it was in the first place. The problem is that you can't fucking see shit because of all the dust and clouds in the way and the lack of angular resolution. So they picked a band from the spectrum that could get through the matter.
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  11603. @Comic Book Guy I mean, you're as pedantic as the Comic Book Guy but at least he is knowledgeable about stuff. Dictionaries reflect culture because meaning if often defined by society - see, the example of "literally" now being used by people who don't actually mean something literally changing the dictionary definition. Tell me, when soldiers using night vision goggles and want to mark a position they crack some IR chemlights so why are they "chemical lights" if IR is not visible? And they use IR lasers to aim their rifles when the night vision googles do not allow them to look through the ironsights or scope, laser means "Light Amplification by Stimulated Emission of Radiation". Insects and shrimp can see UV radiation. Wouldn't that make UV a form of light as well? "The intellectually honest, unbiased person can tell that the guy was covering his ass" - if you're actually intellectually honest you would realize he was explaining it to normies. He was actually being honest because he corrected himself to let people know the light wasn't visible. Normies would assume the object is visible on a normal telescope that works with your eyeballs so he made sure people understood they picked a non-visible part of the spectrum. All EM is part of the same phenomenon. It just so happens that we can see part of its spectrum. X-rays, radio, UV, IR, Microwave, Gamma-rays and visible light are all EM. They're all part of the same phenomena with different wavelengths. They're all waves and its quantum are photons. What you see are photons hitting your eyes. An X-ray of your bones is photons hitting your body. Therefore they're all light. "that is BOUND to be taken as an attack upon the person's character and BOUND to be taken as an attack made to undermine the person's arguments" - you are insisting that EM radiation is not light because of your own lack of understanding of the topic and then pretend to know more than a scientist even though he technically didn't make any mistake. How is it an Ad Hominem to tell you that your own lack of expertise is clouding your judgement and making you see conspiracies where they don't exist? "you've seen a visual representation of its radio waves" - I understand what you're getting at. I do. But take for example the Sun. If you take a photo of it through the visible light spectrum is just a bright ball and you can't see anything. Have you ever seen eclipses or Venus crossings through those dark lenses? That's what the Sun looks like. A white ball. So most pictures of the Sun you have seen are photos taken through the X-ray spectrum, where you actually see the dark spots, the sections burning brighter and those arcs that look like flames. We color fill them with orange. But that image is true to life because it actually allows you to see what's going on the surface of the Sun without the image simply being washed out by the blinding white light emitted by it. We only did a similar thing to a black hole, figure out what it looks like in a spectrum that doesn't get washed out and color fill with the orange that we can see on visible light telescopes.
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  11745.  @heinrichnitschke5485  What are the sources? Are they describing 1990's prices? The Royal Bahraini Air Force will be getting 16 F-16s for 1,12 bil which amounts to 70 mil per aircraft. Taiwan's F-16 deal including 66 aircraft and 75 engines amounted to 8 bil which is roughly 120 mil per aircraft + extra engine. Morocco wants to buy 25 F-16 Block 72s plus pods and weapons for 3.787 bil. If we subtract the cost of the 40 AIM-120s and 60 GBU-39s, that's around 31 million, leaving the cost of the F-16 plus pods and other equipment as 150 million. The upgrade of older F-16s to V will cost 42 million per aircraft. Slovakia will be getting a 2.91 billion aircraft for 14 Block 70/72s, 16 engines and an assortment of weapons. I'm straight up just adding up the cost of the weapons, ignoring that some are just guidance kits, so worst case scenario it's 41.6 million for 30 AIM-120s, 100 AIM-9Xs JDAM and Paveway kits plus 400 bombs. The F-16s plus pods, equipment and extra engine will be roughly 200 million. Let's take it back a good while - in 2009 the Block 50 sale to Turkey was a 797 million contract for 14 aircraft. That's 50 million per plane. It's perfectly reasonable that a decade later, a better capable F-16 costs 70-90 million per aircraft, with contracts reaching over 100 million because of spare parts and equipment. Do you think a modern F-16, with the capabilities you expect from a modern F-16, can be obtained for the prices of the previous variants? When you buy a F-16, you're not just buying the aircraft. You're buying the entire assortment of pods and extra equipment that act as force multipliers. Not to mention that the radar you get today is more advanced than the radars you got in the past. You need to buy all the bells and whistles that the F-35 already carries internally.
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  12048. "lets say you saw someone in public reach into an old ladies purse and steal $100, the question becomes do your morally object to that? Do you say/do something? I think most people would take issue to that, change it to stealing cookies from a girl scout, whatever you like... This doesn't make a person a sheep" - You're using outright THEFT as your example. You correctly called out a logical fallacy and then you use the exact same type. "it makes them a reasonable member of society who cares about others around them" - This isn't about caring. You're giving too much credit to the mindset. They don't berate others because they actually care because they don't. It's low status people getting their rocks off. It's like being in a twitter mob but in real life. The propaganda literally tells people to be "heroes". They want that. "There is a large amount of our population who don't wear masks, and instead of reaching in and stealing money for the old ladies purse they are playing russian roulette with the lives of every single person" - This is false. The masks only decrease the velocity of particles coughed or sneezed, and capture some depending on mask efficiency (most masks people wear are extremely low efficiency). If we go back 10 months you'll see the infographs and 3d renders showing that without mask your sneeze particles can jump 20 feet or whatever and with a mask 6 feet (hence the distancing thing). You're still infecting people, but at a slower rate. Again, if you go back the narrative was that we were slowing the spread (people still get infected with masks and social distancing, just less at the same time) and not eliminating it. So no matter what you do, you're ALWAYS playing Russian roulette. The mask only loads a plastic bullet instead of a lead one. A contact shot will punch through a skull, but the bullet loses velocity quickly at a distance and becomes progressively less dangerous. "You're a monster. Literally mass murders" - Oh, you're too far gone. You're actually those people. "you will never know that number" - You will never know the number of people who starved because of the economies stalling, you will never know the number of people who died because they missed appointments or cancer treatments.
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  12309.  @andrewostrelczuk406  This is all being argued from the wrong perspective. Yes, new things have unforeseen costs. But so do old ones. There's not bringing the A-10 "up to date". What technology can you cram it with that will make a significant improvement? Power plant? What? No. You're not getting a new engine for it, I don't remember when but plans for new engines were scrapped or else you wouldn't get much needed upgrades. Thrust vectoring? Are you out of your mind? Dude, adding a new power plant would definitely require a redesign of the aircraft because a new engine with more thrust would probably increase fuel consumption enough for an entirely new fuel and engine management system to be added. The higher thrust would probably require redesigning the engine mounts and section of the fuselage. Thrust vectoring would DEFINITELY require the fuselage section to be redesigned because by vectoring the thrust... you're also changing the vector on the reaction force so the engine mount will suffer forces from angles that was never designed to handle. You make a bold assertion by accusing others of being armchair quarterbacks while you make a joke out of the aeronautical field. In 30 seconds I could think of severe issues with your upgrade proposal without even having to run any simulations or pick up a calculator. If aeronautical engineering was that easy any idiot could thrive in that field. Mind that the last A-10s to come out the assembly line did so in 1984. They're ageing. Airframes have limits. And you want to soup them up and add thrust vectoring for no discernible reason. "thank goodness we have had a few laying around so they could reverse Engineer it" - Reverse engineering it is literally more expensive than buying a new plane. "more swept back wings" - Why would you sweep the wings back if it's not going to reach transonic speeds? Are you goddamn serious?
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  12402.  @superherophysique1037  "there is a lack of common sense here that believes someone is corrupt even after you release your tax returns." - what does that even mean? If you release your tax returns it simply means you're not hiding legal income to dodge taxes. If you have illicit income or any other sort of corruption, that doesn't show up on your tax returns. People don't file their tax returns with "I used my position of power to get my son a cushy job, please don't make this information public or I'm fucked". "Tax returns leave a paper trail leading to a crime." - You think drug dealers file their crimes with the tax returns? Jesus Christ, the tax returns thing is only regarding tax fraud and whatnot. If you commit a hit and run it doesn't show up on your tax returns. Conversely, you can be corrupt in politics but none of it showing up on your taxes. If you help a company make money through your position in politics, and in return that company invites you to perform a speech and they pay you 100,000 for the speech, that's legit income. It doesn't prove any crime because it's perfectly legal to get paid for the service. "It's hard to push corruption when someone is being transparent like that" - classic misdirection. Don't tell me you're falling for it. "so I say again...if he is willing to show his tax returns" - and I say again, are you fucking 12? For real, are you a literal child? Do you understand that "corruption" doesn't show up on your tax returns? "then shouldn't that exonerate him of any back door deals" - of course not!
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  12458. The thing is, the CDC can study guns (in fact they were ordered to do so by the Obama administration in 2013 - and it backfired because the findings did not support the narrative), they can't just advocate for gun control. Everyone else is free to study guns. There's privately funded research. The medical side refuses to acknowledge literature from criminology and sociology and sticks to medical literature on guns, which suffers from methodology problems. "make a recommendation" But that's exactly what they shouldn't do. This wasn't a CDC-funded study because it happened after the "ban" but a study came out claiming that great reductions in gun crime could be made with just three policies. They included microstamping and ballistic fingerprinting through fired cartridges. It's widely known that not only these laws are largely unenforceable/ineffective in the very few places they have been passed, but that the very mechanism they work through changes over time due to wear of parts during functioning, fouling/deposits, cleaning, etc. The study only "found" these recommendations to be effective because they love recommending stuff that allows unreasonable litigious action against gun manufacturers, forces them to change technology (smart guns), forces the government to adopt legislation that makes it harder to obtain gun parts (if everyone was able to just get a replacement firing pin it would render microstamping laws irrelevant), etc. - laws that would slowly undermine the markets.
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  12575.  @Carthodon  "A system can be democratic even if you don't vote for every person in the bureaucracy." - That's not the point. The point is that those who determine what should be revealed are not democratically elected (and it wouldn't make sense if they were). An intelligence service has to be undemocratic by design. Those positions you can vote for, they cannot hold the intelligence agencies accountable. What are they gonna do? Have Congress hearings? "No, sir, I do not recall". "No, I don't think I've ever met that person". "That person has never worked for us". 50 years later a FOIA request ends up proving that everything was a lie, nobody cares. That's how it works, and in a sick sense it should be how it works. People say Trump is a Putin asset - if the democracy is so easily corruptible that foreign leaders can straight up get their men elected into the presidency, it wouldn't make sense to let the people elect anyone into office and then let that someone declassify things that other countries might want. "It is also a stretch to go from saying that the US government, with millions of people working for it, will at any point in time be doing something illegal" - millions of people who don't know anything about things that happen outside their area of responsibility. When CIA agents were involved in Southeast Asian drug trade during the Vietnam war to support local guerrillas, you think the people on the Department of Education were getting reports about how much drugs were loaded onto Air America planes? You think that the CDC was involved in the planning for the Bay of Pigs invasion? The excuse that there's millions of people working for the government doesn't hold up because the vast majority is oblivious to what's actually being done by intelligence agencies. "the system works fairly well" - Have you paid attention to the news... in the last 50 years? Because it's clearly not. "In contrast, a system with total transparency in an effort to remove illegality will mean that the intelligent services just can't work at all" - I don't know if you've been paying attention but American intelligence services are responsible for so much evil and so many things that blew back in America's face that it might actually be preferable to gut them. You do realize that it was because of intelligence services that the War on Terror started, right? You do realize that intelligence services, in an attempt to take down Al-Assad, ended up arming insurgents who turned out to be ISIS, right? After trillions of dollars spent on war, thousands of Americans dead, over a million dead, a little transparency would go a long way considering all the shit that the CIA pulled in the 20th century, and also the fact that THEY ARE LITERALLY SPYING ON EVERYONE.
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  12576.  @Carthodon  "Out of the billions that are spent and the thousands who work for these agencies, yeah it has worked pretty well." - So despite all of the death, misery, destruction and loss of civil rights, it works pretty well because the government also hires a bunch of useless bureaucrats to dilute the evil? "the President can launch an investigation by himself if he so chooses" - Investigate what? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DPt-zXn05ac Their job is to lie, cheat and steal. You think they won't destroy evidence (or simply withhold it because nobody knows it exists)? You think that the CIA doesn't have a contingency plan for official investigations? "In the case of the Bay of Pigs President Kennedy was not only well aware of the plan but was the one who approved when it was finally launched and also withdrew the military support when he felt it was not worth it. It is a pretty clear example of democratically elected leaders having full control of the intelligence services" - you're shifting the goalposts. This was about the number of employees on government payroll. But funny how you mention Kennedy controlling the intelligence services. It was really fortunate for them that JFK took a bullet to the brain. What a stroke of luck for the CIA. "by your logic you would argue that the US should not have provided immense material support to the Soviet Union in order to fight the NAZI" - by my logic the US shouldn't have gotten involved in any foreign affairs like the Founding Fathers intended. Everyone should be minding their own business. If countries did that more, the conditions that lead to the Nazis taking over wouldn't have existed in the first place. War is a racket. "Similarly, when Kissinger pushed for the US to side with Mao Zedong's China over the Soviet Union, he was siding with an even more backwards country with a regime that was even more totalitarian." - uhhhh I don't know what's the point of saying this when essentially of all the people who know who Kissinger is, probably 80% see him as a criminal of the highest order and want him to burn in hell. "a moderate amount of illegality" - bruh that was so tone deaf it's actually masterful satire. That's like the subtitle for a Dr. Strangelove sequel.
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  12597.  @KAZVorpal  1. First of all, at least get it right. They had the constitutional power to remove him from office because by fleeing the country, Yanukovych made himself unfit for duty. This allowed the parliament to not have to go through the impeachment procedure. Your boy lost his seat, dawg. He's a ballot stuffer and voter intimidator. He arrested his political enemies. Why are you simping for him? 2. Several regions heavily populated by ethnic Russians did not join the fighting. Being pissed at the government doesn't have anything to do with Russian weapons and servicemen being used to fight a hybrid war. If you're pissed at Joe Biden does that give you the right to just let the Mexican army into the US? No sane person would be FOR warring resolutions that eventually lead to almost 300 people unrelated to the conflict being killed by a Russian Buk launcher. 4. They lost the elections, dawg. The "population" were Russian soldiers that when caught, the Russian government claimed they had accidently crossed the border. They had a sham election where they lost on purpose just so you could lose an argument 8 years later on the internet? Nobody was attacked for wanting to secede. Armed forces of an enemy country and its sympathizers were attacked. Get it right. Russia is like an abusive husband for Ukraine leaving him in the 90s. The tally is correct according to UN numbers. Want to question it? Go there and prove it Don't just say "it's higher". Meet the burden of proof. Hint: you can't. Simp.
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  12760.  @statostheman  Seems like you're trying to overanalyze everything to sell your NLP agenda. If you're crazy, it's NLP. If you're calm, it's NLP. You did a NLP course and now you see it everywhere. Yes, the wonders of where if you want to live in a society, people don't want you drunk or high 24/7. This isn't "capitalism", you think the Soviet Union also didn't crack down on anti-social behavior that tore the fabric of society? The prison industrial complex does not create law and order. Right there your conclusion fails due to a massively flawed premise. The prison industrial complex benefits from the US being crime-ridden. How do you make a profit from crime when the streets are safe? Okay, now go to California and try to implement those changes. See how that goes. And if you actually had read or listened to Curtis you wouldn't be saying things like "he'd call me a socialist" when he's in favor of massive state programs. You just have a pre-conceived notion and used it without even checking if it's correctly applied on the person you're talking about. Give them a home first. That's great. You have such a big market in California. Why aren't you there and making tons of money out of the California state budget by promising these revolutionary solutions? I'm being sarcastic in calling them revolutionary, by the way - they've been tried again and again. I just want to see you fail. I urge you to stop taking courses, you're like a stereotypical college freshman who takes a psychology class and now tries to psychoanalyze everyone. Nobody told you to listen to anyone. Jesus. Learn reading comprehension. God. The only "argument" is that you got challenged on NLP by being presented with the fact that many people do not fit the mold you created, and now you've confirmed that you just seen NLP everywhere. There's no mold. Just NLP boogeymen everywhere, in the walls, under the bed, under the skin, behind the fridge.
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  12873. +wwg_Marcus I called your posts fakedeep. You replyed by saying: "if goals and accomplishments is "fakedeep pseduointellectualism" to you" - therefore calling your useless posting in here goals and accomplishments. It is you who is unable to follow and understand the logical thread of the conversation. "you still are obsessed over memes and youtube posts" - you're the ones upset about it. You looked like you had misunderstood the meme so I explained it to you. Then you started talking a bunch of shit as if the people who keep up with political drama in the entertainment world have nothing going on in their lives. "Only a NPC would think a meme...matters." - what kind of fucking bullshit is that? It is you who's trying to make a mountain out of a molehill while people are just having fun. And besides, memes have been a constant through humanity. It's the concept of a gene but applied to ideas. Self-replicating, mutating and evolving. In the grand scheme of things one can easily say memes don't matter but at the same time it is a legitimate form of communication that millions of people around the world can understand and add to their "vocabulary". Memes can change public perception and create biases. You can legitimately like Hummer trucks but feel self-conscious about buying one because of the meme that you're overcompensating for something. "You want to spend 20 pages debating memes" - you're the one debating them, I just offered an explanation. Next time I'll ignore the asshat trying to be sly about his intentions. "engage on actual sustance" - "do you not know how pathetic that is?" - brother, nothing of what you're saying has any substance nor is it useful. That's pathetic. "he thinks that online you tube posts are an accomplishment" - no, I specifically denied that. I know you're not a goddamn moron. You're worse, a fucking liar. I can forgive a person being stupid. But it's 100% your own doing to purposefully take things out of context and then use it as an insult. I called your posts fake deep, you said they weren't, they were goals and accomplishments. You fucking misspoke, understandable. But backpedaling and accusing me of being the one who said the things you said? Fuck off.
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  12899.  @sapienssapiens35  "each individual case is different" - okay but if it's bad enough for a male to have to leave, I'm sure that even when judging per in individual cases the average woman is better off making the trip than staying. "The moral argument that 'they should stay and fight' is just more racist cretinous condescension" - how is it racist? Mind that I am not saying people should be stuck in their birthplace. I am saying that if my country was really bad I wouldn't leave my mother and grandmother behind while I enjoy freedom. But logically, if people more able to fight are trying to leave, you're essentially surrendering the country to the bad people who drove you out. With the women there. If anything, it's sexist of me to say that women will have a harder time fighting corruption and crime. But not racist. "Good luck fighting CIA sponsored ruthless deathsquads or criminals armed with grenades and machine guns as a fucking baker or a car mechanic." - hmmmmm didn't it take like 10 years for the entire US Army, Air Force and Marine Corps to subjugate farmers and goat herders in the Middle East? How is a baker or a car mechanic less able to fight? I'm sure they have farmers over there too, if that's the issue. Plus, didn't the Mexican Autodefensas essentially prove that it was possible for the people to rise up and fight, but the movement dwindled down as some groups ended up becoming cartels and the legit dudes trying to fight were declawed by the Mexican government who got pissy at them having "military-style rifles"? But I digress. If given guns and ammo and allowed to take friends how many criminals would we have to kill until you'd concede that point? Give me a number.
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  12984.  @Mr.N0B0DY.3D  1. It's propaganda because it's acted and scripted and you can tell. 2. We don't know much about life there, but the fact that we don't know only helps my case. If life in NK is so walled off, why are people freely posting content for outsiders? Think a little. You yourself are saying that we don't know shit. So we now suddenly know shit? 2 + 2 dawg. It's 4. It's government approved. 3. It's not about people living okay but the propaganda itself. It's the second time you try to derail the argument like this. 4. The Soviet Union also had airports and power stations. They were also not free countries and they used propaganda to pretend they were better off than they were. 5. The difference is that you're allowed to make videos in South Africa. If South Africa heavily restricted outbound content and then suddenly you started posting videos, I'd assume you had government permission to release them. 6. We have not forced isolation, sanctions don't work like that. First you say North Korea has airports and power stations, now you claim they're cut off. They have the technology to post on tiktok. But not the freedom to do it. They're cut off because they want to control the dissemination of information. Both inbound and outbound. I don't need to trust any "developed nation" propaganda. I only need to look at NK - they had the absolute freedom to decide to come clean about everything, ask for help and sanctions relief, etc. What do they do? Build nukes and restrict information out of the country.
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  13126.  @abdullahal-ahmati5030  "If the airliner is selling space for 300 suitcases, then any delays are completely their fault" - No. You missed every warning to start loading your luggage, and then right when everyone's ready for takeoff you suddenly want to load your shit on the plane. "If I bought space for 300 suitcases from the plane, why does it matter if it is 300 kg of my clothes or 300 kg of my hygiene products. I paid for data. Why does it matter if that data is a netflix video packet or a video game packet?" - The video game packet is only a small suitcase. Netflix is a bunch of suitcases and even though everyone needs to take off in time, you want to delay everyone's data with your streaming. "They absolutely would." - No, they would not. You'd get delayed. "It's a service called "cargo planes"." - The "cargo plane" service is a fast lane. Want a cargo plane? Hire one. "Those boots sure are delicious, huh?" - Buddy you're out here simping for large internet corporations and you're calling me a bootlicker? I'm not defending ISPs. I am attacking people like you, who believed the corporate propaganda simply because they thought they were being anti-corporation. "What if people hog bandwidth through streaming?" - They don't get to bitch and moan when ISPs prioritize online videogames over Netflix stability. "Or what if they hog bandwidth by writing huge emails and sending it to 1000s of people?" - Most email servers limit attachment sizes and I don't think anyone complains if an email arrives a half-second later. "ISPs then should offer low-latency high-priority internet connections." - According to Net Neutrality, that's illegal. That would not be "neutral". "What does this mean?" - If you have a 500GB limit per month, and use up 10GB per day from 9PM to 10PM, you'll be more of a nuisance than someone who uses 10GB from 9AM to 11PM.
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  13127.  @abdullahal-ahmati5030  "When I buy internet, I buy a certain connection speed." - When you pay taxes for your roads, you're not buying into a certainty you'll never get a traffic jam. "This argument is a pure con by a monopoly supported by lobbying to remove any regulations that still keep them in check." - I'm European. We have regulations. Internet performance dips during peak load times because, go figure, people blast 1080p and 4k content non-stop starting from 9PM till it's time to sleep. "No I won't if the ISP wasn't being greedy and selling much more bandwidth than their network could handle." - Okay, let's force ISPs to sell you the actual bandwidth they can guarantee you. Get ready for your blazing fast 1Mbps because the ISP has to divide their bandwidth by every household serviced by your local node. "A responsible ISP will factor in what percentage of users use their bandwidth at a certain time to calculate what speeds they offer." - And they most likely did that, and the only problem they had was torrenting. The issue was when video streaming took off and services started growing faster than infrastructure can get built. "You are completely missing the point. ISPs should not be allowed to discriminate against services" - Then why did you suggest it? "It would be like a road denying entry to BMW cars because Ford paid off the road owner." - Right now we're denying entry in certain roads to cars manufactured in 1996 and earlier. There's probably a diesel ban in the works. "If I am sending a letter through the post, why would it matter if my letter contains a political essay or a photograph" - Pretty sure corporations that deal with high volume of mail contract out special services to not overwhelm the normal mail carriers. Imagine if you couldn't send a letter because the local post office is stacked to the top with envelopes from a company that runs a mailing campaign. Even though envelope size might be the same, the aggressive mailing will occupy a larger volume and require more workload than an envelope with a photograph you send every day.
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  13128.  @abdullahal-ahmati5030  "In China they implemented a policy where on certain days license plates that start with certain letters are banned from the road, which is exactly what throttling based on packet contents is like" - Having to wait a fraction of a second to let more time-sensitive packages get through before you isn't the same as getting blocked from Netflix on days ending with Y. "How did video streaming take off if ISPs hadn't oversold their capacity? If video streaming took off, that means people streamed video, which means ISPs could handle video streaming." - No shit, video streaming was easier to handle when only early adopters were doing it? "their bandwidth turned out to be a lie." - That's a way to look at it, but for the sake of consistency we'll need to abolish gyms, airlines and roads. The roads are a lie, the gyms are a lie, airlines are a lie. Nothing works if everyone decides to use it at the same time. "They are still allowed to offer services with different speeds and latencies. They just cannot throttle based on the contents of the data you are sending." - The fucking fast lane was the whole point of contention. People didn't want them. If you agree that fast lanes could be on offer, then you at least have to disagree with some of the NN slacktivists bitching about the issue. "But how does this analogy relate to byte packets? Unless you carry out Chinese-style packet inspection, all packets have mostly the same features. One packet does not emit more CO2 than another packet, and all packets fall within 200 bytes." - Engines made decades ago are less efficient and more pollutant, while the diesel compression requires a very lean mix to be introduced into the cylinder and causes atmospheric N2 and O2 to combine into NOx compounds. The molecule of fuel contains the same chemical energy no matter which engine you use, but those engines output more pollution for the same mechanical work put through the wheels. Either way, there's no China style packet inspection. My mobile carrier had a plan where I was given "unlimited"* data for certain apps. Then one day I get a text saying "oh yeah the regulatory agency told us that this free data shit is unfair and violates Net Neutrality so you're gonna pay up". They can zero-rate the apps but once you're through your data limit, you need to pay for extra data to use the zero-rated apps. It's fucking annoying. There was no China style inspection involved. "Netflix already pays huge amounts for their used bandwidth" - the issue is, services like Netflix are what's considered an "unreasonable" user. Check your contract. It probably has a reasonable use clause. They definitely had a special agreement with ISPs in place and they really disliked it, which is why internet companies started to lobby for NN. *about the "unlimited" data. It was actually 10-15GB. Never got anywhere close to the limit. But that was the reasonable use policy. "data centers closer to their customers" - Which can just as easily overwhelm the local network. It's a cold hard fact that things like online gaming experience deteriorate after 9PM because of peak load. Doesn't matter if the data Netflix sends isn't hogging the bandwidth on the Atlantic fiber cable, it's hogging the bandwidth near my access point.
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  13165.  @nekomakhea9440  CAS is a mission, not a platform. Also, I specifically referred to your "tankbusting" proposition, not CAS. "A dedicated platform can do a job cheaper than a jack of all trades" - But it's not cheap. It's stupid expensive to keep it in the air. It just doesn't get added to the CPFH. "extra capabilities cost money and maintenance" - This is an extremely poor argument, because the A-10s capabilities come from the fact that it uses many systems multiroles also use. The helmet mounted cueing system, the targeting pods, etc are added capabilities that cost money and maintenance. Without the capability upgrades, you'd have a A-10A. The A-10A is woefully inadequate compared to the C. "Even with the aging airframes, the A-10s are still way cheaper" - Because the costs are swept under the rug. Over the last 10 years Boeing was awarded two contracts valued at 1 billion each to manufacture wings. That's two billion, with a B. "USAF keeps flirting with the idea of bringing back propeller CAS, like a Super Tucano or similar, for the same reasons." - No. They had the OA-X program because a COIN aircraft for COIN was actually more productive than using the A-10 for COIN. But since the A-10 can't get retired the USAF will not purchase another aircraft that can't be used in a near-peer fight. "a supersonic airframe is swatting a fly with a sledgehammer, real militaries don't have unlimited budgets or maintenance manpower" - So basically the US is the only real military. Gotcha. The fact of the matter is that many nations have their "supersonic airframes" as their bespoke CAS platform. Dassault Rafales, F-16s, etc. The US and former Soviet states/clients are the exception with the A-10 and Su-25. Nobody else made equivalent aircraft. And this conflict has both sides proving how inadequate Su-25s are. "Germany lost because it was outproduced and outsupplied by the allies economic might" - Okay. You'd need to send the whole ~230-240 fleet in the USAF and Air National Guard to "outproduce" the VVs. "its too advanced for them to produce domestically" - Forget about domestic production - I think Arestovich said their military industry was targeted and almost taken out. "they have to fall back to using lower end platforms like attack helicopters and CAS and tube artillery for striking depos" - Striking a depot is not CAS. "That's why they have a mix of high and low end platforms, rather than all-or-nothing" - Okay but the "low end" aircraft are barely doing anything. They need the high end. Or else you're just sending pilots to keep doing ballistic rocket releases. They're not being helped by being given more of the same.
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  13321.  @vibesanm  I looked it up before you even posted, and all the sources say the social security funds were never appropriated by the government. It's a popular hoax to claim that the government took funds and that shit spreads through chain emails since the 2000s. Just like there's a popular hoax that congress members are exempt from paying into social security and whatnot. Ya got played by modern folklore and now you'll do everything but admit but admit you were fooled. If the government has indeed reached into social security funds then at least provide the evidence for the claim. This isn't a purity test. It isn't protected. All it takes is a law to change how things work. "no goddamn thing is protected, not your life, not your right to vote, nothing." - That is correct. Do you think that is an axe murderer is about to swing on you the government arrives and say "nuh-uh, his life is protected"? If you jump off a cliff you think the government is gonna cushion your fall because you're "protected"? No. "So lets dismantle everything and live in a lawless, institution less society" - Nice strawman argument. "listening to alt right nutjobs." - Shut the fuck up. You're the nutjob calling everyone you dislike a fucking Nazi. Pathetic. "Regan and bush took funds from ssn" - Prove it. "and shows how much in absolute denial you are and how much so full of shit you are." - You posted no evidence. Fucking prove it. You can't. And you claim others are full of shit. https://www.fool.com/retirement/2018/05/20/did-congress-really-steal-from-social-security.aspx https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2015/aug/03/facebook-posts/did-george-w-bush-borrow-social-security-fund-war-/ You're full of shit, buddy. About time you admitted it.
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  13370. "jews are targeted and massacred even in the US" - I fail to see how a boycott towards an ethnostate engaged in illegal occupation equals being massacred. "And boycotting a liberal democracy" - lmao the US government literally allied itself with dictators when it suited them so don't bring that "muh democracy" when the US worked to topple democracy and reinstate a monarch in Iran for exemple. Being a democracy isn't excuse to do fucked up shit. "and since its done only towards Israel, and not towards muslim dictatorships" - How many products do you buy from Arab countries? And by the way, I sure hope Saudi Arabia, Qatar and the UAE get fucked as oil prices drop when fossil fuels fall out of favor and they suddenly won't be able to pay foreigners and use slave labor to do their work. But that's unrelated to the issue. "that stone women to death for speaking to men" - my dude unless you literally go over there and bring your own rifle to sort that shit out I'm not interested in hearing about that. So many of their own people are not interested in the Western concept of freedom and will die either to protect the status quo or just money. So what happens when our "liberal democracies" show up? We see ourselves forced to blow innocent people up and make the civilians believe even more in their ideologies. We've been sinking trillions of dollars into the Middle East and yet the US still had to negotiate with the Taliban to not attack pipelines because they still control rural areas. So if you want to liberate Afghan women you do it yourself rather than ask me to pay the bill for a meaningless war that's gonna kill more Afghan women anyway. And aforementioned oil producing countries don't give a shit about human rights and we're friendly towards them, so… the "Muslim country bad!" deflection is just that, whataboutism. Muslims spit in the face of Western ideals but they're honest about it and I'm not going to risk dying from an IED to change it. Israel pretends to be a developed country while subjugating a native population and holding a nuclear sword of Damocles over their neighbours so that they can perform their airstrikes without fear of retaliation.
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  13433.  @c0ldyloxproductions324  "Or watched any episodes of dogfights" - It's an edutainment show that oversimplifies things for a general audience. Please. "in some cases retreating isn’t an option" - Sacrificing millions of dollars worth of aircraft and a pilot is not an option either. "phantom pilots had to get close in" - Because of many external factors. "but didn’t have a gun" - This wasn't an issue. Phantoms without guns splashed MiGs all over Southeast Asia. Again, the gun story is edutainment exaggeration. If you look at the actual history you'll realize it wasn't the issue you were told it was. "Nvr isn’t the end all be all" - Who said anything about BVR? You can be WITHIN visual range but not want to get any closer for a guns kill. "close in maneuvering gun kills" - No. It will be a trade of highly effective missiles. If you keep getting closer you will not survive the missile exchange. "in fact old fashioned dogfighting will become more prevalent as stealth tech gets better" - No. The enemy will simply pull high AoA, fire a high G high off boresight IR missile and end you before you can get behind his tail. "eating a missile from a wingman is highly unlikely due to rules of combat the wingman holds fire while flight lead engages" - False. Wingmen create interlocking cones of fire to support each other. For someone who tells others to read on the history of dogfighting you're not even aware of basic tactics like the Thach Weave. "the f15s were still scoring gun kills al the way up into desert storm" - The last gun kills in air to air between fighters happened in the 80s. "u can say gun kill situations are too dangerous" - The missiles were much less dangerous than now. "Then how come by the end of the war nearly all phantoms navy or army either had an external gun pod" - This is false. First, the Army did not have Phantoms. Second, the Navy did not field any Phantom with internal cannons. The naval variants of the F-4 did not have cannons. Gun pods were mostly used for ground strafing because the targeting was not suitable for air to air and many flight leads did not allow their pilots to bring gun pods because the extra drag and weight penalty was not worth it. You can look at the Phantom kills record over Vietnam, the USAF scored around 6 kills with gun pods and 5 kills with the internal gun. Meanwhile missiles were used for 86 kills. The Navy got 40 kills without guns. "there was most definitely naval f4s armed with a Vulcan gun" - Not internal ones. Wikipedia lists the naval variants used by the US, you can look at them. The internal cannon required the use of a smaller radar and the Navy needed the larger radar to detect bombers capable of launching anti-ship missiles at longer ranges.
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  13692.  @tkmonson  I'm sorry but to follow the logical train of thought hosting is indeed needed. If your first response to social control is running away and rejecting society as society becomes increasingly networked, you're just proving my point. "Just go outside and talk to people" - This is an admission of defat. You've already exposed how social control on the web creates a paradigm where the Skinner box promotes the good opinions by allowing them an audience of millions, and forces the bad opinions to be spread by word of mouth. Right there you're proving my point for me, but you think you're arguing about "muh freeze peach" and don't even realize you're describing exactly how social media shapes society. "all you need is a server that runs a discussion forum program, no payment required" - Payment is indeed required. Server costs are a thing. And even if you run your own server you need a domain name registrar. But it doesn't matter. You've already ran towards the little forum, while society remains in the big social media platforms. The fact that your forum can be nuked at any time by servers or payment processing companies is just the cherry on top. "it's refusing to be bothered by things like downvotes, hostile replies, or bans" - Downvotes don't only have a psychological impact, but they hide content and prevent users from interacting on certain subreddits, etc. You can refuse to get bothered, but the feedback loop continues. All your rambling about free speech and muh private business shows you don't even understand what you're talking about. You want to talk about free speech and private business, we can do that somewhere else. We're talking about social control, and so far you've described exactly how society is controlled through social media while talking about something else.
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  13717.  @mehrshadvr4  "Being a socialist doesn't mean you'll make the economy socialist" - Then why break your own principles? "just like how a Capitalist doesn't make every single thing privet" - that's a false equivalence. You can defend a market-based economy and a welfare state at the same time. But you cannot be for free market economies while defending the abolition of capitalism. That's contradictory. "Abolish of profit is how state run their programs" - Ahahaha that has to be the best sleight of hand I've ever seen in an internet argument. No. Abolition of profit is literally arresting anyone attempting to be a "business owner" and trying to take for himself the ownership of something that should be communal. It has fuck all to do with state programs. If you're not willing to line up factory owners against the wall and gun them down for betraying the socialist cause, then you're not abolishing shit. "Every rational person knows a mix economy is the best" - the worst of both worlds. The privatization of profits and the socialization of costs. Socialism for the rich, and rugged individualism for the poor. You attempt to get the benefits of the free market and ruin it all with overburdening taxation and bureaucracy. "Also no, the Europe doesn't have center right as leftist" - YOU CAN LITERALLY SEE THEM ON THE CENTER RIGHT IN POLITICAL COMPASSES "That's why they pass free trades, ACA as "socialist healthcare"" - did you just fucking say ACA was free trade? When it banned inter state competition and forced the elimination of plans that didn't meet up to the standards? It was a massive restriction on the market designed to benefit the industry. Not a free trade bill.
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  13829.  @tonywilson4713  The A-10 is vulnerable due to essentially being a 1960s design born into a 1970s-present world. There are other close support aircraft that prioritize keeping the aircraft safe over expecting it to get hit. "check what's happened when its been up against planes like F16s in open air combat trials" - I want to kick people in the nuts over this. You're referring to a 2015 article by David Axe that was picked up and quoted ad nauseam by other outlets without doing the basic legwork. Axe wrote an article based on a leaked report he misunderstood. He didn't read it properly. For six years that I've had to explain to other people that just because they read something on the internet doesn't make it true. If you had read the report, you'd have learned it was a software control laws test, not "open air combat trials". I swear people make up more details on this story every time it's told because this is the first time I see someone refer to the test as a "open air combat trial". The F-35 in question was AF-02 and it was loaded with limited software. If you read the report, the pilot asks for software fixes. Please, for the love of everything, READ the sources instead of relying on glorified bloggers acting as journalists. "look for the Pierre Sprey and Chip Berke discussion" - Watched it the day it came out. "What Pierre Sprey goes into is what happens when an F35 is located and then engaged" - Pierre Sprey had retired from the aviation industry decades prior. I'm sorry, but what he thought he knew was woefully outdated. "that has nothing to do with combat" - But it has everything to do with the performance claims being made.
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  13911.  Carissa Wu  "they actually invited the BBC to Xinjiang" - And a cartel boss can also invite you to a particular location in Central/South America at a time he specifies. You won't find any drugs. He picked the place. He picked the time. Do you honestly not see a problem there? Do you think that being invited to a random spot in Siberia during the Cold War would disprove the existence of Gulags? Do you think you'll see human rights abuses in the Pyongyang tours? No. "She is an Ughyur girl living in Xinjiang" - Who do I believe? The people who have to sneak coded messages out? Or the person in China openly using YouTube even though they're not supposed to? Hmmmm. "just because another country has close economic ties to China does not mean they will just blindly follow whatever China says" - Yes but it does mean they have a motive to lie or at least parrot propaganda. Why would they come out swinging against China? Why would they care? They have their own people to take care of, why would they care about the Uyghurs especially when doing so would jeopardize their relations? "By that logic, China has extremely close economic ties to the US" - That's not logical at all. The US and China are competitors. Smaller nations cannot compete. "Israel has close economic relations with China but then US pressures them to act against China all the time" - Hold on. So you're saying the opposite doesn't happen? That Arab countries with economic ties to the US can't be pressured by China? You just debunked your own argument by simply flipping the script. "A lot of the countries that China invited are neutral such as Malaysia, Thailand, and Indonesia" - They're not "neutral" at all, their close proximity to the South China Sea means they can't rock the boat.
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  14114.  @STGN01  German "quality" was absolute garbage considering how much they lost due to breakdowns. They were making stuff out of crap steel and crashed B-17s at that point. The US didn't get its ass handed to it. The US tried to build a nation in a region that doesn't want a nation built. Most of the territory where we say Afghanistan is doesn't care about Kabul, and frankly the people in charge of Kabul barely cared about their country anyway. Militarily, the US won the vast majority of engagements. The win condition was for the government to stand tall without training wheels, and when the US left we discovered their troops weren't even getting fed or issued ammunition because all the money went towards someone's pockets. Are you seriously arguing that the US should have used more men rather than technology? We'd have thousands more dead, and the result would have been exactly the same - the Taliban have more sway with tribes than the Kabul government did. Technology made sure less Americans died trying to build a state that couldn't sustain itself. Enemies that avoid fighting on the US's terms. You mean like the Serbs? Sure, their military forces tried the "we fight on our own terms" tactic to preserve their fighting force, and the US just proceeded to bomb them until Milosevic yielded. What good is a mostly intact fighting force, if military power can just force you to concede? That's quality. I'm seriously suggesting that crap in quantity isn't going to do jack shit against good vehicles with well trained crews. You're missing the point, the Bradleys shouldn't have got the drop on the T-72s. They were scouting and got surprised by thirteen tanks, the T-72s should have had the drop on them and they were in defensive positions. MBTs. In defensive positions. More than 6 to 1 numerical superiority. Surprised enemy. All the advantages and quality still beat them. That's the point.
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  14207.  @pyotrkropotkin406  "You tried to make it sound like they were outside the Canadian system" - but they were. The clinic sees patients through the Canadian system (they are contracted by the government to see those patients) and by themselves as a private entity. Rand didn't sneak into the backdoor into the Canadian system. "I'm telling you that is how their system works" - but how the system works in irrelevant because Rand was never admitted through that system. "This clinic is not outside their socialized medical system" - oh my god, yes it is. So because Boeing is contracted by the US DoD to make airframes and wings for aging military aircraft, if I want to start an airliner and try to buy a 737 MAX (lol) am I going through the Department of Defense system? If a construction company is contracted by the government to build roads, hospitals, schools, etc and I contract that same company to make me a house, am I getting the house through the public system? This is starting to sound like the "you didn't build that!" type of argument regarding private businesses. So they're private, but because government exists, they're not really private. What the fuck? "Canadians get to use their clinic for free just like everything else there." - yeah. Because the PRIVATE clinic has a deal with the government where they send the bill to the government and get a huge fucking payday in exchange for seeing patients from the public system. It's good for the private business because they get a bunch of guaranteed income for the year and it's good for the state because they get a bulk discount. It's still a private clinic and Rand paid for his shit. Goddamn.
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  14212.  @pyotrkropotkin406  "they are apart of the public system of healthcare in Canada." - when a construction company is contracted to build roads, schools, courthouses, etc are they part of the public system? Answer the question. "I'm telling you that they are still part of. the public healthcare system. Something you keep trying to deny" - if they are privately owned, and they get contracted by the government to perform services, how does that make them part of the public system? Is Lockheed-Martin a public company? Raytheon? They are paid by governments to make weapons. Pretty much all their sales are to governments. Does that make them public or private? Answer the question so we can expose your double-standards. "think that their privately owned status is unusual in the Canadian system" - I never said anything was usual or unusual. Stop lying. "yet it is still classed as a public system due to how they receive most of their money" - Again, the Military Industrial Complex makes most of its money through government sales. That's where they get most of their money. Does that make them public? It's not uncommon for government buildings to have private security, a service purchased from private companies. Does that mean private security companies are public? Governments often contract certain services such as garbage collection and waste disposal to private companies, does that make them public? "In England" - nobody gives a fuck about England, I didn't say anything about England and this isn't about England. Stop bringing up red herrings. You have still not provided evidence that Rand Paul did not pay anything for the service and his treatment was paid by the Canadian taxpayer. Are you still insisting on your lie?
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  14266.  @businessreport  "But, you can’t hunt big game with a shotgun" - Not with that attitude. "If you think you need a handgun, a revolver is enough for whatever you’ve got going on" - Why? What are your credentials? "Six bullets (for example) is plenty to take out that rapist or mugger." - Why? You keep saying things, but you don't prove them. Example: https://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/georgia-mom-shoots-home-intruder-face-article-1.1234400 five shots to the face and neck wasn't enough to stop a home invader, who fortunately changed his mind and decided to flee. He could have just as easily decided to simply kill the woman as his final act instead of running away. There's multitudes of examples of home invasions involving multiple assailants: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FdA_5r_Gu-A and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-_MRVnR6KI8 for exmaple, there's many more videos like this. 50 Cent got shot 9 times and he's still alive. Now, considering that attacks require multiple shots to bring down, and they often choose to attack in packs to increase their odds, how can you come here and make suggestions when you have: a) no evidence? b) absolutely no credentials that give you any authority on the subject of self defense? "I know you think you need to protect your family, you don’t." - Fuck you. "But if you do (consider moving)" - Criminals know how to drive too. "you can take the bad guys out from a mile away with your hunting rifle" - Most hunting rifles are not capable of mile long shots. There's also almost no mile-long sight lines near residential areas unless you live in a deserted area and you can't justify a mile long shot. "If they are invading your home, there’s nothing better than a shotgun and the revolver tucked in your pants. You know I’m right." - I know you're not because you're unable to prove it. "These weapons are perfect instruments." - If they are perfect instruments then why have shotguns been phased out off any offensive or defensive use except as breaching tools or a way to deliver less-than-lethal rounds, being relegated to sports shooting where traditionalism, the rules and laws keep them relevant? "They all are made to do one thing and they are perfect for the job. No bells and whistles. Nothing extra." - What job? Getting close enough to an animal that doesn't even know you're there and then delivering a payload that is not optimized for human attackers? "If you can’t protect your family or yourself with these weapons, then you are just a big pussy" - Prove it. "Nobody wants to hurt your family!" - And yet, families get hurt once in a while. It never happens, until it finally does.
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  14420.  @undeadblizzard  I think it's you who doesn't know that the left even is. I've interacted with more leftists than you'll probably ever know, so I have a good sense of what they stand for. Oh, you're against censorship? Convince the others. Oh, you don't mind Christians? Convince the others. The left can't exist without authority. Again, since you're the only good guy on the left, maybe try and convince the millions of bad leftists. What oppression thing? You do understand that the left blames Christians for their influence on US politics, right? If you want to talk oppression, we should talk about religious repression in the Soviet Union. "If they deem you an enemy to their ideology you will be purge with the other undesirables" - Again, don't threaten me with a good time. "Also the Gulag were prisons like we have now. Some people in the Gulags were murderers, thieves, and rapist who would have been in jail regardless." - Yes, and also political dissidents. "Direct democracy means we vote on policy not politicians." - Yes, and my point is that policy isn't right just because the majority believes it. What do you think happens to the minority when the majority has power? "We don't have to wait on politicians." - From the standpoint of a representative democracy, especially a constitutional republic, that's actually a terrible thing. When everyone can vote on anything and things start moving too fast to deal with, you get the French Revolution. How many people do you think your direct democracy will behead until people realize that maybe having a buffer between discussing policy and actually putting into practice is needed? "Fascism does always leads to genocide. It is a matter of time" - You keep repeating this. So if Portugal were to be fascists for an extra year, they'd have started the genocide? Against whom? "They might give the murderer a slap on the wrist" - Beria didn't even get a slap in the wrist. You think gulags are good? How about having serial rapists and murderers in the government? That's the left for you. "They might make their work to death in labor camp." - You mean like communists did?
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  14718. ​ @scottjackson5173  The advantages of close air support? But all those aircraft perform close air support, so they have no "advantage" over the other, only different characteristics. From "my" point of view, which is the correct one from the historical perspective and thus not "mine" because I'm only dealing with the facts and not injecting my personal opinion, the reason to build the A-10 was based on technological limitations and the Army's own issues in Vietnam. It wasn't even supposed to have been a turbofan-equipped aircraft, as the A-X project initially favored the turboprop. The A-7 was a stellar CAS aircraft but there were complaints about time on station and how dependent the pilot is on ground controllers (which is funny because without ground controllers authorizing targets A-10 pilots end up targeting friendlies). The Army also wanted an helicopter escort aircraft and the A-7 was too slow. So the USAF came up with the A-X program for Vietnam, and the aircraft ended up outdated the day it rolled out the factory. All the usefulness you get from an A-10 comes from cramming it full of the advanced avionics you'd find on modern multiroles, defeating the core concept of the aircraft itself. If you can't understand the difference between an Apache and fixed-wing CAS you have no business telling people they're wrong. The Apache originates from the failure of the Cheyenne, which had USAF and Army chiefs of staff meet and decide that USAF takes CAS, Army can get helicopters for organic fire support. The courts determined there was no overlap between the Cheyenne, Harrier and A-10 so the USAF, USMC and Army were free to pursue their projects freely. They do different things. They have different capabilities. If the Apache was the same as the A-10, it wouldn't have been approved due to overlap. Trying to argue that the reasons for building different aircraft are the same is a losing proposition. The AC-130 doesn't fly "low and slow", it orbits around. It also uses state of the art sensors, precision guided munitions and avionics rather than the simplistic, no tech, "low and slow" flying. The fact that you claim an aircraft that's different from the A-10 can do CAS proves that the A-10 isn't the end-all be-all of CAS.
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  14723.  @scottjackson5173  There was a project to replace the A-10 with the OA-X, but of course that the A-10 cultists never cared about cost. They just wanted the A-10. "It's easy to add a bomb rack, a machine gun, or a rocket launcher to something with wings" - I'm unsure of what this means. Just because it has wings, doesn't mean it can do the job. "Low and slow allows for the pinpoint delivery of ordinance" - Modern aircraft can deliver that from tens of thousands of feet away. In fact, munitions dropped in close air support require release authority from the FAC/JTAC because even aircraft flying "low and slow" not being guided by eyes on the ground have committed serious friendly fire incidents. A-10 is behind the most USAF friendly fire casualties and killing of civilians by manned aircraft. By the way, the A-10 makes use of pinpoint precision rockets - the APKWS. It's the biggest fixed-wing user of laser guided rockets. Just saying. "It also makes the close supporting aircraft vulnerable to ground fire" - As evidenced by how many A-10s were lost and damaged in 1991. "It's smaller, slower" - If the OA-X program put the A-29 Super Tucano in service, that bad boy is only 20 knots slower than the A-10. Stays up in the air for longer, has amazing range, very low fuel costs and can take off from much more austere bases than the A-10 which means it can take off closer to the action therefore arriving sooner. "far more vulnerable to ground fire" - Well, first of all, one of your "low and slow" friends, Mr. Mike Pietrucha, already obliterated that argument for me. I happen to disagree with him, and I find some of his writing disingenuous. However, the man has the data to back him up. For a counter-insurgency, COIN aircraft are the best. The small turboprops are more difficult to target and their lower signature makes them more suitable to fight underequipped foes. This was tested at Green Flag exercises. If you want to debate that, take it up with the ANA - they haven't lost a single Super Tucano and neither has Colombia in their fight against the FARC and ELN. Either way, helicopters are even more vulnerable. You can take that up with the Army too so they can get rid of their attack helicopters. "It's also a tiny single engine turboprop" - The A-X program that originated the A-10 was supposed to be a turboprop. "How many high performance aircraft can you lose? How much does a Tornado cost? F-16? F-15?" - This is a question that you insist on being answered on your terms but I will answer on my terms. How many 2020/2021 produced aircraft can you lose? Cram a Tornado full of modern tech, how much is it gonna cost when it goes down? A modern Block 70/72 F-16? They cost 120-144 million aircraft+spare engine+pods. The Qatar deal on 36 Strike Eagles was 6.2 billion, which is 172 per aircraft. The number thrown around years before was 4 billion, which probably means the aircraft itself 111 million and the rest if the pods, spares, maintenance support, etc. If your plan is to lose "low performance" aircraft, which are expensive as all hell to begin with, you've already lost. Especially because the PILOT is the most precious cargo. Aircraft is a problem you can throw money and materials at if there's an active production line. You can't simply give more money to the air force flight academies and somehow get a revolving door of expendable pilots to replace the ones captured and killed. So your master plan of sending """"cheap"""" 100 million dollar aircraft to get shot down and end up with no pilots is rubbish. Please think about the consequences of your genius ideas. "Soldiers love their ass-saving Warthog!" - Appeal to Popularity is just a fallacy. Of course that the Warthog is more psychologically engaging. It's an emotional argument at best.
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  14769.  @DavidRichardson153  that doesn't really "explain" anything away. If there's USAF A-10s available, why are carrier borne aircraft being called in? On the other hand, even if the Navy lacks other attack aircraft it still doesn't undermine the fact that the F/A-18 is taking A-10 missions. It proves it is capable. The Harrier was showing its age by Desert Storm? The A-10 was showing its age by Desert Storm! 6 of them got brought down. Almost 30 years ago we realized that the A-10 was treading dangerous waters. "In urban areas, the F-16 needs more room to maneuver around to line up its weapons" - what? "the F-16 usually uses missiles, rockets, or bombs, which also have explosive radii - not good for collateral damage control" - the A-10's payload is essentially bombs, missiles and rockets. It's main weapon in 1991 was the AGM-62 Maverick. "The A-10 has a much smaller turning radius" - the F-35 can turn very tight https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IaHlWow6Yc4 "something no supersonic fighter can do." - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ELo1NRMHuR8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5amEQpxHSSc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QoVGz9xai1M https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=beNOyZHVjEg at this point I'm gonna have to ask, who the hell has been telling you these things that are demonstrably false? "only the A-10's cannon actually fires one of the (currently) best anti-armor shell: a depleted-uranium core." - which is not used due to the bad optics in spreading an aerosol of depleted uranium dust. Amazing how you bring up collateral damage and then ignore the massive heavy metal poisoning of civilians that lead to the discontinuation of the DU round. It leads to birth defects. "The A-10 is not going away anytime soon" - it's already receiving less and less CAS missions. The USAF will begrudgingly keep it in inventory, but is not going to ask it to do much. "their radar systems' signals can give them away to SEAD" - my dude, what do you think allows AAA to track and accurately hit fast moving jets? Radar. "but once their radars are switched on, they might as well light a flare above them." - same as AAA "Replacing the A-10 with the F-35, though, is incredibly foolish." - it's like you're not willing to listen, it's already been replaced for the most part. What you're saying is foolish already happened 5 years ago.
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  14770.  @DavidRichardson153  "Has the F-35 already been doing what the A-10 can do?" - not even the A-10 has been doing what the A-10 can do. Comparable multirole fighters have taken over the A-10's job. It only stands to reason an even better multirole fighter is gonna do it even better. "Do you not know that the F-35 was promised to be in full service by 2010" - most operational milestones were achieved by 2013. Compared to the clusterfuck that is military aircraft development that was pretty acceptable. "it couldn't even fly in adverse weather because its avionics would shut down and restart as lightning and thunder went around it?" - do you keep track of how often other aircraft have to be grounded because of issues? Just this year 75% of C-130s had to be grounded. The B-1B also had to be grounded due to parachute issues. T-6 trainers were grounded due to hypoxia and the same happened to 28 A-10s. In 2014 86 F-16Ds had to be grounded. Not to point fingers at others, but Germany can't even maintain the minimum training standards because most of the Eurofighters are grounded. "Its entire development process has been a scam" - every government program is a scam. That has fuck-all to do with the aircraft design. "The DOD would have to pay Lockheed for every single one of these fixes." - lol that's the government for you. "Name another plane that has had a development process like this" - considering that aircraft development used to straight up KILL pilots in the old days, and that a lot of the problems of the F-35 stem from the fact that it's inherently more complex, I'd say the F-105 and F-111 were proportionally just as bad as the F-35. Mind that the Eurofighter has also been in a politically-generated boondoggle as well. "they're even looking to just expand the F-22 into the attack role as well" - who's "they"? The F-22 isn't as good as air to ground and nobody is going to rebuild the manufacturing line. It's gonna be a 220 million per plane job to reactivate the F-22 program. You can expand it into the attack role but that doesn't mitigate the fact that the US eventually will need to replace the aging F-15 and F-16 and there's not enough F-22s for the job. "The F-35 just screams of being a massive scam" - if any other aircraft procurement was put under the microscope like the F-35 it would sound like a scam. Not only are we living in the information age which means you can't get as much details on the issues other older planes had, we're also living in a world of clickbait and deliberate propaganda. Let's not forget that some of the F-35's biggest critics are tabloids and outlets like Russia Today. "Sounds good in theory for building trust between allies, but it allowed Lockheed to use other nations' economies to pressure the US to keep the contract going." - Again, mind that the Eurofighter Typhoon did the same thing - fuselage is built in Germany, one wing is built in Britain and the other in Italy. I wouldn't say it allowed Lockheed to use other nations to pressure the US, because the US got the most subcontractors working on the F-35. It's simply a jobs program so that on a multinational project one nation doesn't get all the money. "I am not going to see the F-35 as anything other than a scam, so if it's going to be serving on the frontlines, it better be a miracle plane," - everyone who flew it says that it is. Who says that it isn't? Russian state-ran media, lunatics like Pierre Sprey, """journalists""" (which as we all know are extremely reliable) and people who never flew it.
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  14957.  @jaydy71  But it doesn't. All those "responsibilities" relate to things that were never your freedoms in the first place. Nobody ever had freedom to harm others. It doesn't even make sense. You bought the narrative, hook line and sinker. You've already internalized that you gave up freedom and that it's reasonable to give it up. That's just word trickery, you never gave up freedoms by not hurting others. "Now it means getting vaccinated to help protect you from doing harrm" 1. You're not doing harm by not being unvaccinated. There's a multitude of contagious diseases for which there are no vaccines and we don't hold anyone responsible for spreading them unless they are caught intentionally spreading it. 2. The vaccine does not prevent you from spreading. By your own twisted logic, you're still causing harm even vaccinated. Never leave the house again if you're really committed to this moral standard. "It's not a big ask" - Yes, it is. "And again he wasn't arguing in favor of government enforcement" - Pretty sure government enforces red lights. If you're saying "screw your freedoms" this means government enforcement. Stop excusing him. How can someone be screwed out of his freedoms without government enforcement? If it's still up to personal choice, why is he bringing up traffic laws? If he's saying we shouldn't have freedoms, is this the "it's voluntary until the voluntary phase is over"? Yes, apparently it is hard to get people to understand what's being said. If he's on the side of freedom and personal choice, then he completely bugled it up by saying the exact opposite of what he meant to say.
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  14958.  @jaydy71  "This stuff isn't even controversial anymore" - And again, if you're blowing smoke in people's faces, even before we get to the health effects it's a nuisance. You have the choice not to smoke, and we used to have smoking/non smoking areas. Exhaling pathogens is part of human function. They got in when you took your first breath and they'll still be coming out the day you take your last. Breathing is not a nuisance unless I'm doing it right in your face. Hurling 1-2 ton vehicles at other people at considerable speeds is not the same as breathing. Or eating at a restaurant. Or going to a show. Or travelling to another country. "if there's a group of people large enough unwilling to take responsibility with vaccination" - WHAT RESPONSABILITY? You can still get it and transmit! Your own experts, your science has admitted it won't stop transmission. "vaccines are the best bet" - How? They don't do what they were supposed to. "they do reduce transmission as viral loads reduce much more quickly in infected vaccinated people"- COPE. Transmission is still possible. "It's just unclear to what degree exactly it reduces transmission in the delta variant specifically" - It's spreading in Israel despite high vaccination rates. It didn't work. Better luck next time. Can't wait for big pharma to make another 60 billion in revenue from the next year's revised formula. "Especially for people that can't get vaccinated." - THEY CAN STILL GET IT FROM THOSE WHO GOT VACCINATED. COME ON. THINK. "There's of course the alternative to simply accept Corona viruses as a new fact of life and hope for the best" - Oh, you better. Name a coronavirus with animal reservoirs we've managed to eradicate. Remember, the generic code shows it was hosted by bats and possibly pangolins. "then my response would also be "screw your freedoms, dickhead"" - Exactly. And you can be mad about it for the rest of your life. "I think that was clearly the crux of the governator's rant there" - The thing is that if you meet me in the elevator you're just some guy. Not a propagandist spreading an anti-freedom message from his mansion while we are under the thumb of a sanitary dictatorship. "But I guess his marriage infidelity years ago is somehow relevant to these guys" - It's always relevant when a man with questionable character starts to make character judgements.
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  14976.  @NoMoeMistaNiceGuy  First of all, that's a fairytale view of WWII. Germany started the conflict due to their government spending creating a bubble, the military conflict and the seizing of assets from foreign banks helped mask the impending economic crash. They were totally unprepared for the war, as evidenced by their chronic oil shortages. Their plan was seizing oil fields from the Soviet Union. The sabotage from the crews as they evacuated the region meant that the Germans were eventually repelled from the oil fields before they could restore the extraction capabilities. There was no way Americans would be speaking German, because simply put Germany lacked the capability to do so. Another aspect is that WWII only happened because of WWI. No WWI, no WWII. So in the end, you're trying to say we need violent foreign policy to make up for our own mistakes when we used violent foreign policy. It's absolutely ridiculous. So we need to be killing people in Yemen to prevent the Saudis from dealing with China? Have you thought that maybe Chinese people also think they're the ones who need to be running the markets to prevent the US from waging these conflicts? China and Russia would take part? Fine. We have been driven into trillion dollar wars. Let them fight. Let them bankrupt themselves. According to the 2010 VA statistic our veterans at one point were committing an average of 22 suicides a day. Many of them were from older generations from before the Afghanistan and 2003 Iraq conflicts but the point still stands. How about they suffer this time? If they want to put their own soldiers through this, let them. Russia and China suffer from many internal issues, some of which are talk about, others that are kept under wraps. We have our own internal issues. And you want to add wars to that? No. It's killing us. If they want to take their internal issues and throw war on top of that, it's their own suicide.
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  14988.  @jonbbaca5580  "But we have several very successful jet fighter designs we could keep manufacturing" - It's more expensive. A new F-16 contract is upwards of 100 million per plane because of all the bells and whistles you have to buy just to keep it a strong "4.5 gen" aircraft. If you don't buy all the avionics upgrades and pods you're limited. "I just still haven't seen the need or payoff" - It murders everything in the air, rookie pilots wiped out experienced F-15 and F-16 pilots at Red Flag. They can't see it until it's too late. The pilot has unprecedented situational awareness. And it will do the job of multiple aircraft. The need? Retiring older aircraft. The payoff? Having the privilege of enjoying near total air superiority until something better comes along. And I'm not holding my breath for the Su-57. "wouldn't it have been smarter to spread that money around and develop several cheaper, purpose built designs" - No. Everyone's multirole now. It makes very little sense to deal with the logistical nightmares of the past. For example, the F-117 that got shot down by Serbians only had missiles fired at it because there was no EW or SEAD support. It took at least 3 types of planes to do a job. Only one went in, so the SAM crews felt confident in firing missiles without reprisal. In the Package Q Strike during Desert Storm this was also apparent, as by the time the F-15Cs and F-16s approached the target the F-4s had to leave due to low fuel, leaving the attack aircraft and escorts with no SEAD support. When the attack was finished and the F-16s were turning back, they had MiG-29s coming for them. At that point the F-16s had no F-15C cover. Fortunately the Iraqi MiGs fled once they met resistance from the F-16s, but this shows the problem. You have three different aircraft with different fuel tanks, different fuel consumption rates and different weapons load and you have to coordinate their flights to make sure they're all on target for the entire duration of the attack. If instead of multirole F-16s, single-role attack aircraft were carrying the bombs, they might have been unable to face the MiGs head on and got shot down. "Just seems like a money pit at this point" - Every government program is a money pit. When it comes to aircraft I just turn off my brain and enjoy. I can't be mad at everything.
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  15076.  @joehorton5067  "Bigger houses have a bigger tax burden on them" - You don't want that, it stands to reason that a bigger house involves more materials, more people involved, etc so a bigger house is better at stimulating the economy. Why burden things that create more jobs? "The more fuel you buy (trucking), the bigger the tab" - That puts a tax on transportation, and transportation is necessary for moving products around. The tax will be passed down to the consumer. So not only are the poor more affected by a price hike due to sales tax, they'll also get stuck with the bill for all the sales tax paid by businesses in the entire supply chain. "That leaves more goods (fuel and electricity) on the market." - The thing is, the poor don't exactly go around buying 500 gallons of gas. Especially overpriced gas. So to them it doesn't really matter that truckers are making less trips. "which leaves more materials for lower priced car production" - This is borderline surreal. Car manufacturers are not suffering the huge dilemma of separating materials between affordable cars and higher end. Profits on car manufacturing are razor thin already and forcing them to take an even greater hit by scaling back the higher end models is inherently nonsensical. "A man who buys $35 dollar jeans for work isn't paying the same tax amount as a man buying $1000 suits to work in." - Tons of people making 60-70k wear 35 dollar jeans. You still don't understand and you refuse to understand. If you're living paycheck to paycheck you don't care that the middle class is being taxed at the same effective rate because they have lavish spending habits. You care about the price hike on the products you buy with the little that's left after you burned through most of your wages on housing and bills. "That increased tax burden pushes demand down for materials used in higher priced goods" - THAT ISN'T A PROBLEM. YOU'RE TRYING TO SOLVE A PROBLEM THAT DOESN'T EXIST. "lowers the price for their use in lower priced goods. " - A million dollar house doesn't use the same materials as a 150k house. There's no competition for resources apart from concrete, gravel and wood framing. You're not gonna put the expensive luxury tiles and countertops on a more affordable home.
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  15655.  @Grathew  "says nothing about why or how the A-10 is going to get shot down over another aircraft" - Because it's own design makes it vulnerable. It's important to remember that the original goal of the A-X program predates modern defense systems. It's a thrust-limited aircraft and it never got engine upgrades because the avionics were a higher priority. It cannot get out of trouble as easily as other aircraft. "phycological affects of the A-10" - Now reverse it. What are the psychological effects of A-10s being shot down? It negatively affects your troops while giving a huge morale boost to the enemy. That's a two way road argument. I find effectiveness more important than focusing on psychological effects because of how easily they're reversed. "You need to be able to evade and that's where the turning circle matters in addition to speed." - The problem is that evading AAA makes you vulnerable to a missile and evading a missile gets you in the path of AAA. The problem with the A-10 is that the ways to counter air power essentially layer themselves to catch these lower performance aircraft. Focusing on tighter turn radius when modern processing power simply tells the missile or gun turret "oh, here's turning in a X foot circle, therefore make place Y the intercept path so they'll meet" is a flawed thought process. "That's about half to a third of any other aircraft we currently have" - But air combat isn't a pure turn circle match. That's why energy is so important. You could have a 1 foot turning circle and it wouldn't matter. Other aircraft may have a wider turn circle, but when they point their nose to place X the missile has to create a much wider angle offset on the intercept path because it's trying to catch up. Then point to place Y, suddenly the missile cannot expend the energy to turn to the new intercept path without drag losses completely tanking its residual energy. A tight turn radius is a last resort to attempt to get outside the limits of the missile flight envelope, but we're talking such short ranges that in comparison to the A-10 the missile is almost going straight and gets to the aircraft with minimal maneuvering. "Most anti-helicopter weapons are either ManPAD missiles or human guided AAA" - Not just that. Optical track. Laser beamriding. Anti-helicopter weapons are pretty well developed because they're such a squirrely target. Human AAA and MANPADS are just the extra threats to deal with, because the more threats the greater the chance that a pilot will make a mistake from being overwhelmed. "the radar SPAAGs should be dealt with ARMs during the SEAD phase" - Ahah. No. ARMs will be spent on the major defenses to clear a path for important strikes. Dedicating SEAD flights to cover for CAS is insanity. Not only does it subtract from important missions, it will be a waste because radar crews know they have to shut down radars during the SEAD phase. Having SEAD in the air does nothing when crews only need to wait for A-10s to get close, open up, shoot down, shut the radar off and move. The SEAD flight will not be able to stop a close range attack on the A-10, only react to it and retaliate if they find the source. And again sensors that operate with IR or electro-optical systems are good enough for SHORAD without emitting a signal that can be homed on. "low speed" - Low speed and altitude hinders Maverick range. "I don't understand the whole "Suicide Drone" thing" - As we have seen in recent conflicts, there's drones that drop ordnance and drones that carry an explosive payload and dive onto the intended target. They're not missiles because they do not fly like a missile, they loiter over the battlespace like an aircraft. My point is that these weapons are smaller in dimensions than traditional aircraft, they're often built with some degree of stealth features, they're not ultra fast or have powerful engines so they have lower IR emissions. They're harder to detect and thus stop. This has forced defenses to become better. If defenses are being upgraded and developed to target these small, almost-stealth threats what hope does an A-10 have? In fact, they can almost certainly shoot down a Maverick coming from long range due to the velocity drop off.
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  15688.  @davoodoo8042  1. Georgia isn't demilitarized. 2. I'm failing to show what? The will to join a mutual defense agreement is based on protection. What is there to demonstrate? Being invaded is precisely how a country becomes fearful and considers the need for stronger protections. There's no speculation. Based on nothing? Someone who has their house broken into will invest in security. Period. You want the robber to threaten victims to not get new locks? Nonsense. 3. Ukraine cut themselves off from Crimea after it was seized by the Russian military, and a referendum asked the population if they wanted independence according to the 1992 constitution or be part of Russia. Independence would lead them to be a failed state so they were essentially coerced. There's also evidence of widespread fraud. I don't see what the point of bringing this up is. Severing one's limb is terrible. But if you have to do it to save yourself after that limb got crushed, it's understandable. You're being extremely one-sided by picking apart everything Ukraine did, and refusing to acknowledge Russian wrongdoings. Want to check the facts? How about the facts regarding the forced displacements during the Soviet times, which were meant to stop an Ukrainian identity from becoming counter-revolutionary? Purposeful ethnic displacement was a tool of the Soviets that has now been used by the Russian Federation. All this conflict is based on Soviets using Russian people to undermine Ukrainian people in the past, now being taken advantage by post-Soviet governments to go back on their recognition of Ukraine's borders.
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  15823.  @randomusername5242  Forward of the hilt is also roughly near the center. There's also the practice of half swording where it's actually safe to hold the blade forward of the hilt to help maneuver the blade. So no matter what, the sword is still easy to raise above you so that you can do the downward slice. The recoil typically forces the weapon in the direction where it meets less resistance due to how the human torso is covered. Since there's a peak in the shoulders where the front side and the back side meet, the back has a slight curve towards the front while the pectoral region has a ramp-like surface. If you hang yourself upside down and shoot a rifle, the recoil won't push the weapon up. Same with pistols, the recoil points up because of hands holding the grip beneath both the bore axis and the slide travel. If you hold a pistol upside down and fire with the pinky finger, recoil will make the barrel point down rather than up. There's no physical mechanism that causes a rifle to recoil other than straight back, the upwards recoil is a function of biomechanics. And rifles like the AR mitigated this effect by keeping the recoil in line with the shoulder rather than have the weapon recoil in line with the face and cause a stronger pitch up moment. By making the weapon lighter at the front, you get better control. Weighing it down at the front only makes the weapon harder to handle without addressing the fact that recoil is still going into the shoulder, and your own shoulder is causing the weapon to pitch up, and now you have to control more weight up front. Changing your grip and stance can minimize this pitch up moment and focus the recoil to come at you straight back without adding any weight.
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  16012.  @diomedes7971  "they had more right of being there then Arbery, their home was down the street." - Your home being down the street doesn't give you the right to act extra-judiciously. By the McMichael's own words recorded on the police report, they weren't in hot pursuit of a crime they had witnessed, Greg just saw a man he had reached for his waistband once. "He ran over a hundred feet to their park vehicle" - And you think they were parked there for a picnic? The police report itself reveals that they were on the chase with the two trucks and attempted to box Arbery in multiple times. Arbery didn't run to a parked truck. He pushed through an ambush he had attempted to shake off already. "Arbery wasn't ambushed by these guys" - The police report spells out that they were using the vehicles to box him in. "Arbery was a grown man and is fully responsible for his actions" - And so are the McMichaels. Now they're facing the consequences for trying to play cop. Which could have killed an innocent man rather than the actual trespasser. "No weapon was pointed at him" - A shot was fired at him before the confrontation became physical. "he was a safe distance away" - And the armed men denied this distance by chasing him. Read the police report where the police flat out recognized that Arbery did what you required of him but the armed men did not let go. "That if they were out for his blood would have dropped him dozens of feet before he reached them" - This is completely ignorant. If armed men are chasing you, do you second guess their intentions? What reason do you have to believe they won't kill you later? "Senior was also on the phone with police when Arbery initiated his assault." - What does this even mean? If you get attacked by a group of people do you assume that they're on the phone with cops or calling more of their boys for the fight? Calling the police does not give any legitimacy to the confrontation.
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  16494.  @tushargaddi6640  The issue is that you started off with a pseudo-intellectual take and now you just seem angry that you're not getting free stuff. The government doesn't make the vast majority of products. So the concept that the state simply altered the deal falls flat on its face right off the bat. It's nonsense. Most people live paycheck to paycheck, independently of economic status. The people who make more money, simply spend more money. This is just careful application of statistics to create a narrative. You missed the point. There is virtually no difference between being chained to debt or to taxation. If you think missing a payment to the bank will end you, try to stop paying taxes. War production. Okay, I didn't know that if you get an engineering degree and end up working at a canning or bottling factory, that's war production. I didn't know that getting a medical degree and working at a clinic was war production. Okay, you have the option of college - pick a degree that makes financial sense, and those "good jobs" will pay your tuition debt easily. A degree is worth it if you plan to work a job that literally requires it. If you take a degree in feminist dance therapy and end up working as a bartender... You just took on negative wealth for a job that didn't require it. I know about Smedley Butler. I'm not defending wars, I just dislike seeing people who apparently forgot their lifestyle requires the consumption of materials and others' labor and complain that there is a cost to it.
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  16526.  @sockpastarock7082  "This makes it easier for them to effectively implement lockdowns on international travel because they only need to primarily secure a few distinct airports and sea ports rather than an entire border as well" - This only matters if we're unironically declaring that the pandemic exploded because people in continents such as Europe and Asia got infected and kept crossing borders. Even if people crossed borders, they still had to abide by social distancing rules, curfews and stay at home orders. "if you are willing to present this as a significant factor to their performance then you must concede that, fundamentally, lockdowns are highly effective in this capacity" - No. Because your argument implies the scenario I described above. Not only we'd need a large amount of people immigrating illegally for whatever reason, finding housing/lodging despite most hotels being forced to close, we also need them to then somehow get to population centers and then start breaking the rules to infect others. "you present a false comparison with other measures which were not implemented as proactively or as effectively" - If you can do it "effectively" in NZ but ineffectively in other countries that's not a scientific problem. "had large demonstrations of civil disobedience inline with right wing propoganda about the virus being a hoax" - Did you miss the part where doctors and "experts" said that BLM protests would not cause greater spread of the virus? Do not make this about politics, this is the point where I suggest you take your own advice. You must think people don't have a memory. Also, you seem to think I'm American. Those "right wing" protests didn't happen in most countries where your policies failed. "it is not evidence that fire extinguishers are not effective" - If fire extinguishers fail 99% of the time, pointing to one case where it worked doesn't mean everything's fine. Back to the drawing board, you need to redesign the fire extinguisher because they're failing the real life application.
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  16560. @sdrawkcabUK I don't know that much about Australia so I'll talk about what I know. For whatever reason, airsoft is banned. There's a 15 min video of a guy from the Liberal party grilling some government dork over why exactly airsoft is banned, it's not banned, but you can't import, so it's banned, it's a complete flustercluck. Australians say "fine we can't play airsoft so we'll play with these gel balls". Government bans the gel blasters. I think there's still a state where its not banned but the details are irrelevant. Not content with controlling real guns, which is beside the point right now, they also have to come after toy guns. And when people find an alternative, the Australian government (or at least state governments) gets absolutely assblasted that people DARED to have fun with gun-looking toys. Now I'm obviously into airsoft so this doesn't resonate with most people but one or two years ago they also wanted to ban cash transactions over 10,000 Australian dollars. Whatever, this doesn't affect most people. But that's the thing. It doesn't affect most people. So next time they'll ban 5,000 dollar transactions. By that time people are less reliant on cash so most people aren't affected. This goes on and on. Meanwhile the real white collar criminals are swindling MILLIONS through electronic means while Joe Public won't even get a 6 pack of beer without having the transaction logged by the bank. Sorry for the rant but even my surface level knowledge of Australia allows me to see the same hysterical over-reaction to everything. It's a thousand-pronged attack on every freedom a citizen can have but it starts off with things that don't affect most people, like toy guns or large cash transactions.
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  16614.  @hunter35474  "there were probably multiple MiGs that got away" - You can't make that assertion. You have no facts to back it up any more than I could reply by simply saying "probably not" and moving on. The earlier Phantom losses occurred when USAF Phantoms flying in blind with no radar coverage were flying at a slower pace to escort bombers and fell into ambushes where Vietnamese MiGs came around the border and did high speed passes for a hit and run attack. The MiGs got away not because of lack of guns, but because there was no chance for the F-4s to accelerate and catch up to them. Let alone get a gun kill. Not to mention that the gun kill is much more difficult to score, and airplanes carried multiple missiles. Even though failure rates were abysmal, a second missile would do a lot more than maneuvering for a gun kill. Either way, early missile failure rates were not just caused by their unreliability, but also because pilots were firing missiles outside of proper launch parameters and ground crews were mishandling the weapons. After extra training for the pilots and ground crews, the issues were not fully resolved but were greatly minimized. Phantoms flying combat patrols and looking for MiGs instead of escorting other aircraft had a good kill ratio. The gun wasn't that big of a deal. "where a gun would've given an easy kill" - Guns are not easy kills. In fact there were squadron leaders who did not authorize their pilots to fly with gun pods because they knew they did not have enough training to put them to good use. "the fact that the next generation of fighters (The Teen Series)" - Two of them are multirole fighters and thus may have to use the gun for ground strafing. One of the use of gun pods on the F-4 was actually the USMC fitting one under the belly and two under the wings to let loose on the ground. Not for air to air combat. "they DID learn their lesson" - Okay, which lesson was that? You're attributing a mostly false narrative as the reason for a decision to be made when there are more logical reasons behind that decision. While aerial gunnery is an important part of pilot training it's generally assumed that in the real world if you get into a gun fight you and your wingmen already made a series of bad decisions to let the situation get to that point. Especially with high off bore axis missiles being a thing.
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  16757.  @chrisb4009  You're trying to force a distinction between the issues. You can't do that. It's not how it works. You can't pick and choose. You get the bad with the good. Do they work? Inconclusive at best. Mask mandates do not typically have a rating requirement and people either use reusable cloth masks or use disposable surgical masks incorrectly. Spread does not correlate to introduction of mask mandates or compliancy rates so even if you bring up studies that say they work (and ignore the ones that say it doesn't) it's impossible to see those studies translated to actual results in the real world. So in the end, the definition of "working" is compromised by the intended use-case. Regarding your second point, you're trying to dodge your own premises. By your own account, the mask is only effective at suppressing spread from symptomatic cases, and even then a cough or a sneeze will create a positive pressure area that will push the mask away from one's face unless they're using a higher grade of PPE, which almost nobody does. Forcing asymptomatic people to be wearing a mask that only works against symptoms they don't have is the equivalent of of forcing everyone to wear a diaper even when they don't have diarrhea. The incubation period? Your own argument is that masks reduce spread in the post-incubation phase. We started with masks and now we have police using live rounds against protesters in the Netherlands. Do not come here and talk about small impositions. They all stack on top of one another. Asymptomatic spread is not a driver of cases. We've known this for about a year. Can you please stop pretending it's March 2020? It's really tiring.
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  17006.  @Supernautiloid  "Not all forms of force are unjust or immoral" - Then why is it moral to use force against American citizens but not China? "ALL laws are forms of individual punishment" - When someone commits murder do we all go to jail? No. They're not collective punishment, by default making them individual punishment. "it's own citizens following it's own laws" - You and I don't pick the laws. Don't give me that crap. Do we want to go down this road and start finding which laws you don't like? Because I'll have you say you love authoritarian force being used against people that don't deserve it. "I am AGAINST using force to compel OTHER countries to follow the agreement since we have no right to dictate what other countries do" - And you don't have the right to dictate to me what to do either. That's beside the point, but I'm glad you're leaving that out in the open. Oh look at me, I'm so moral because arbitrary lines drawn in a map stop me from using force against others, but I'll use force on my own people. Jesus, read your own posts. Either way, the accords are essentially undemocratic. We didn't vote on the content of those accords. Don't even try to BS me. It's not your law, it's not my law. It's not ours. It's an international agreement, done by a select few elites out of each country. Should we comb through the list of international agreements until we find one you don't agree with? Because I'll force you to say you love it. You tell me the muddy water is coffee, I will have to see you drink it. Without making a funny face.
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  17007.  @Supernautiloid  Jesus Christ you people love making discussions harder to respond to. You didn't explain anything and in fact just contradicted yourself. You can't control me in my own home? Then exit the Paris accords. It makes no sense to argue that you can't control other people, but then defend an international agreement. The accords will punish people individually because states will have to create laws to deal with people preventing the goals from being met. And individuals do get punished through collective punishment. If an entire class is held in a classroom during recess as a form of collective punishment, the individual student is still being punished. You've just exposed yourself as someone willing to be obtuse and then end up being wrong anyway. Well done. Okay. Name the laws that go against your moral compass. Oh, so I have the right to vote against your personal liberties? You're just defending a system that chips away at our personal liberties. The contents of the Paris accords were not voted on by the people. People could have voted for Biden for a myriad reasons that were unrelated to the Paris accords but that's lumped into the deal anyway. Okay. Then start. Find out what? Your logic is that the Paris accords are righteous because they were voted on. My challenge is to have you name all the international agreements you don't like, and you come here to talk about them but you're forced to say it's okay for authoritarian force to be used against the people.
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  17071.  @greggreed3840  "the 6.8 SPCll vastly out performs the 5.56 in penetration" - What? How so? Which loading, which bullet, which target are we talking about? "trajectory is the same as the .308." - Not really. "With the 6.8 SPCll you're pushing a .277 110gr bullet at 2800 fps. I think you need to go study some physics." - Not really, out of a 16 inch barrel you get 2500-2560 fps with a 110gr. "If you want less recoil then drop to a 90 gr pill at over 3200fps." - not even an 85gr will get you that. And by the time you drop to 85gr you gave up so much sectional density your ballistic efficiency takes a hit. "As far as tumbling for the 5.56 that went away when they went to heavier bullets and faster twist rates" - that's not true. Modern 5.56 is made to tumble: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DBdVGJT5ezY "The reason Stoner went with the 1-12 twist" - the reason Stoner went with the 1/14 twist was because at the time the available barrel blanks for the .224 bullet were rifled with twists for very light varmint-hunting rounds. It's obvious with the historical context in mind, .224 was used to hunt critters and not to be used with heavy-for-caliber bullets meant for military service, so nobody made barrel blanks meant for heavier bullets. "was to achieve the destabilization of the bullet so it would tumble on impact" - That's false. All spitzer pointed bullets with some form or rear weight bias will tumble, eventually. If given a large enough target, even 7.62x39mm M43 ball will tumble (it just so happens that against human targets it tumbles after it already went through the person). 7.62 NATO tumbles. The rifling twist of a firearm CANNOT stabilize bullets in tissue. The twist rate would have to be so fast it would look like threading. "Faster twist, heavier bullet no tumble." - That's not true. M855 still tumbles and frags like crazy - but it depends on the angle of attack of the bullet at the moment of impact. M855A1 was made so that it can tumble and fragment independently of the angle at which it hits. Again, another video on the modern 62gr M855A1 tumbling and fragmenting: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=clZwnSQnfH8
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  17072.  @alinmeleandra3175  "There is the option to change to powder content inside the casing. You can obtain the same virtual kinetic energy for a heavier bullet in a "smaller" casing, by increasing the effectiveness of the powder itself" - No such thing as a free lunch. Trying to overpressure ammunition just to keep the lower makes no fucking sense. "As far as I know, the M4 direct impingement system loses a lot of gas in order to re-cycle the bolt" - that's almost negligible. Most of the powder has burned by the time the bullet crosses the gas block (unless you're running a sbr) and pressure leakage is constrained by the diameter of the gas port. Switching the 14.5" for 16" barrels would probably yield more feet per second than changing the gas system. "On the other hand, a bigger caliber bullet (not sure if 6.8 has this advantage) , does not really need to transfer all its energy to a target "to drop it"." - I'm sorry but that extra 0,053" of bullet diameter doesn't matter much. You either clip the central nervous system or your don't. If you don't score a CNS hit, you either hit the heart or you don't. And then it's the rest of the vitals and finally the remaining non-vital tissue. If you're not hitting somewhere that will instantly remove a person's ability to fight, you depend on the damage done to the organs and tissue to make a stoppage. This doesn't depend as much on caliber as one would think. The speed of the round, how early it upsets in tissue, if it fragments or not, etc are very important. "I am quite sure you do not want to be hit by an AK round" - I don't want to be hit by ANY round. But gun to the head, I have no choice but to get shot, I'd rather take a M43 7.62x39mm than a 5.56 M193 or M855A1. The M43 is known for making pass-through wounds that look like pistol wounds to coroners. M193 and M855A1 will tumble, come apart and turn tissue into shreds. "A bigger bullet, creates a bigger hole," - again, we're talking about a 0,053 inch difference between 6.8 and 5.56. Less than one eighteenth of an inch. "also cavity it leave behind it, tends to be bigger" - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-u5Uk0ae4p4 this is the cavity from a non-fragmenting 5.56 round impacting 20% ballistics get at 2800 fps. It damned near split the gelatin block in two. Now, I am sure you can get a 6.8 to tumble. The only thing I'm saying is, 5.56 is both faster and lighter which allows for a faster upset of the projectile when it impacts tissue. And it's lighter, has better trajectory, etc so the benefits for using 5.56 outshine the very moderate improvement in ballistic performance.
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  17367. Oh my god could you have a shred of intellectual honesty? If Australia had a few shootings before gun control, and a few shootings afterwards, then clearly gun control didn't do shit, did it? The "Australian argument" stands on the "fact" that gun control was passed and shootings ended. If you want to preserve the actual definition of mass shooting rather than the made up one, then the US does not have shootings 9 out of 10 days. "even if it halves the amount of deaths by gun violence" gun violence HALVED since 1993 and guns are flying off the shelves. Clearly showing that the guns aren't the factor. "then surely that's worth at least ALLOWING an informed discussion into the idea?" We allow the discussion all the time, it's the media that won't allow it. They only show their side of the story and when they do show ours, they edit the footage. "There's too much old, white money behind it" Laughable. Women and minorities are the fastest growing demographics in American gun ownership, young people are actually more rabid gun rights advocates because old people only care about their hunting rifles and their clay pigeons. "Super weird to watch from an outside perspective" that's weird, because I am European and I stand against gun control and I stand against the EU stealing our sovereignty and trying to dictate how our gun laws should be. In fact I have been thinking about sending my support to the Swiss equivalent of the NRA even though I am not Swiss, because they're one of the last bastions when it comes to gun rights.
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  17368. "After Australia introduced their gun regulations, gun crime, mass shooting and gun-related death dropped dramatically" And it had been dropping for several years prior, not to mention that many countries also had a drop in the 90's. "The fact that there was a single shooting" No, there's been several. I just used Monash as an example because it was the first after Port Arthur. And if we're only counting "wounded" I can't even find you a number because without deaths, it won't figure as a massacre and I can't find it. "The fact that there was a single shooting years later is simply an application of Murphy's law, the same way an anti-bacterial spray kills 99.9% of germs" Yeah killing 99% in a petri dish with millions of bacteria isn't on the same level as like 10 shootings before gun control, 6 shootings after or whatever (I'm just using example numbers here). You couldn't even assume a 40% decrease from that because mass shootings are events over time, statistical aberrations, and not a defined bacterial count you can see a definite change on. That argument is so unbelievably dishonest that it borders on "desperate reaching". "Secondly, if you did your research properly you'd understand that crime in general had dropped significantly between 1993 and 2010, and not just in America" I have just mentioned that earlier, and you will use that argument to excuse America's drop in violence while attributing the drop in violence in Australia to the gun reforms. Slick. It's also funny that you come up with other factors (literally only the lead one is correct, the bunch are a crock of shit - same with the "crack epidemic" argument) to explain the US's drop but attribute Australia's solely to gun control. "Also what's wrong with 'halving' gun crime, and then halving it again?" because you provide the conclusion that gun control, in America specifically, will cause that "halving" without a single premise to back it up (or any solution to the 300 million gun already in civilian hands, mostly unregistered, that are completely impervious to future gun control unless voluntary registered - good luck, the NY SAFE act had a compliance rate of 4% last time I checked). Even if you have "Australia arguments" or "UK arguments" or even "Japan arguments" to defend your position on gun control but those instances are not applicable to the US at any rate so you can't promise me that halving you claim. "I like the way you took the term literally as well" > proceeds to tell me it wasn't in the literal sense > "nationalist white men" > proceeds to admit that he was using old and WHITE in the literal sense. So you're saying white nationalists are using the NRA to pay Black people like MrColionNoir to tell minorities to arm themselves and fight the racist assholes like Sarah Silverman who "parody" the NRA by implying that minorities are too dangerous to own guns? Not to mention that gun control in the US started with the purpose of disarming freed black men? Boy those Klansmen must be wearing Kevlar robes if they want to face armed blacks. Jesus Christ just admit you said something stupid rather than dancing around the "it was not literal"/"by the way I truly meant that the NRA is a bunch of white supremacists". I also like the way you mock my statements with your smug sense of superiority when you're demonstrably wrong on almost every thing you said.
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  17398.  @crosstraffic187  You must not be familiar with polls. Worse than ascribing infallible competency to people who happen to be tasked with a paper by an organization that happens to be a prestigious university, you're now pretending polls are sacred truth. Polls have huge issues with the methodology to collect data. Harvard isn't a person. Again, you're saying that everything that comes out of Harvard is absolutely perfect, even though there's a huge issue with repeatability issues. Many fields of academia have suffered a huge setback when it was discovered that most of their studies couldn't be replicated. Sorry. Bad studies exist. It's a lot more frequent than you think. That's why science is built on multiple people across the world studying the same subject and confirming the findings. Eventually, sometimes science is proven wrong and turns out all the researchers were missing something and were looking at their results the wrong way. So again - your argument hinges on Harvard being infallible, which it isn't, that everyone employed by Harvard is a well respected researcher, when they aren't because a lot of college kids are doing the grunt work, and that polls are flawless. Remember the polling data saying that Hillary had a 98% chance of winning in 2016? You may think that everyone will fall for this, but a lot of people won't. It's pure argument from authority, and hinges on people having blind faith on academia when most people by now understand that academia is a complicated world.
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  17433.  @tomlobos2871  I'm going to try to be brief. The A-10 was made to be a A-1 Skyraider replacement. Like Lionel Mandrake posted, it was originally meant for Vietnam. The A-7 was an excellent CAS aircraft but too fast to escort helicopters, and too fuel hungry to stay on station. The A-X program was even originally a turboprop engine aircraft because turbojets were inefficient at low speed, and halfway through the program the requirements were changed and turbofan engines allowed them to be reasonably fuel efficient at low speeds. In the Fulda Gap, the A-10 pilots would be estimated to be all dead or captured by two weeks. They were merely a delaying action, not expected to survive the onslaught. In a war against insurgents, the A-10 does fine. In a full scale war, you want the F-16. One pass, haul ass. There's no loiter time. You drop hate on target, turn back to base to bolt more under your wings and take off again. The Su-25 is forced to perform the "cowardly" role of firing unguided rockets from friendly territory and turning back. Their losses are proving exactly the opposite of what you think. They're easily shot down, and aircraft are complex enough that it's preferable to strip them of usable parts than trying to repair damaged aircraft. "Add A-10" so an airframe that's been flown beyond the original retirement timeline, has lack of parts because the company that made it went out of business two decades ago, and is even slower than the Su-25 is going to be an "addition"? I think it would be a subtraction. The A-10 as a bomb truck? It's extremely slow and thrust limited. It's not very survivable because a modern missile can slice it in half, negating all the fancy shmancy armor. When the nose is physically detached from the tail, it doesn't matter how much armor the pilot or the engines have. Fighter jets are survivable by kinetically outrunning the threat. You can't loiter in Ukraine. You arrive, fire rockets into the air, turn back or else you die. You have 30 seconds to get in and out or else a missile gets you.
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  17458.  @coolioso808  "You have an unfortunately flawed understanding of how science and mathematics work. A resource-based economy that is monitored and informed by science" - Buddy, archeologists and biologists have been fooled by fossils because they couldn't tell which side of the animal had legs and which side had spikes on the vertebrae. Science is a process of elimination, and it can be wrong because we drove ourselves into being wrong through false assumptions. "would not be present because the incentives are different" - Nonsense. The incentives are always present. "In a resource-based economy, it is designed to meet all people's needs first and foremost without labor-for-income or slavery." - This is a huge contradiction. If people's needs are met without the requirement of labor, where do the resources come from? Hence you inevitably will need to impose slavery to keep the machine ticking. "you think it would kill millions of people when the expressed purpose is to provide all humans with basic needs" - Because it has been tried. The use of force to keep the system in charge killed millions. The ignorance of the central planners left many without resources and killed million. "Let's use the proven scientific process to figure it out." - This is a joke, right? The scientific process created stuff that doesn't work. The scientific process created stuff that ended up being harmful. You somehow think that science's sh!t don't stink and that no mistakes are made. The process is proven. The results aren't. "yes, of course, in a resource-based economy some mistakes will be made" - And like Lord Farquaard from Shrek said, some of you may die but that's a sacrifice I'm willing to make. "no NEED for politicians" - Hold on. So who gets to be in charge of resources? Who enforces is?
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  17460.  @coolioso808  "Of course science is a process. That's why I literally said, we should use the "scientific process" for resource management." - So your process will be wrong and inevitably proven wrong. Thanks for admitting it. "Sure incentives are always present." - Thanks for admitting it. "what would be the incentive" - Clearly you don't understand humans. Tons of crime is committed without the purpose of meeting any needs. "I just suggest it is not a requirement of living" - And like Bill DeBlasio said the voluntary period has expired. It starts with a suggestion, then it becomes mandatory. "Who is in charge of the resources? Basically Mother Nature. As she has always been." - So you have no enforcement and everything's ripe for the taking. I give it two weeks before everything's on fire. "which removes most of the corrupting factors" - This has to be a joke. "public database that then uses scientific and mathematical algorithms (not rocket science) to determine what resources to best use" - Tell me you don't understand science and algorithms without telling me you don't understand science and algorithms. Are you out of your mind? "You and I could access this just like we go onto an online custom T-shirt store and browse for options" - But the t-shirt store charges money. They handle their resources by getting our resources in exchange. If nobody was paying and just putting orders the shop would have no idea how to prioritize the resources. "defeatist attitude" - And you have a la-la-la-land attitude. Who's going to solve things? Science! Who's going to make decisions? Computers! It's just like an online store.
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  17470.  @Dasper12  Someone just decided to check up on a 3 week old thread and upvote the """"libertarian"""" virtue signaling for UBI. "The government has the right to tax" - Not an argument. The government also says the police are not required to protect you. Just because it's the law doesn't mean it's right or even consistent. "So libertarian answer is being Libertarian as in Individualism; not anarchist." - This doesn't even make sense. What's the individualist part about a literal welfare state? "Any laws that can be applied with ubiquity to all individuals equally is the most libertarian answer" - No? A law saying that the president had the right to sleep with everyone's wife is equal. But it's not libertarian. Violating rights equally isn't libertarian. "Any consumable good or service will always have the potential to be purchased exponentially more than a static product" - So how do you address the inherent inequality without creating an unequal UBI law? "someone will have significantly more transactions for gas, electricity, restaurants, etc than, say, vacuums or a laptop" - So? You don't cook twice the food on the stove. You don't leave twice the lights on. You don't eat for two at restaurants. But you might buy twice the amount of shirts, a laptop every year instead of once every two years, etc. Your utility companies will be paying a tax, and that money will be injected into other sectors. It's completely unfair. "replace tax credits and bureaucratic and costly social programs." - Yeah, you're not getting rid of those so this is all moot.
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  17569.  @desmondbrown5508  Medicare works by undercharging private providers - by law - and the difference has to be made up by overcharging the private consumers. If you implement medicare for all, you lose the source of revenue that pays for the big chunk of the costs of Medicare. "So what's you're point?" - *your, possessive. You're means "you are" "The point of public healthcare isn't to make public the hospitals. It's to make public the coverage." - at this point I am questioning either my sanity, or the state of English teaching in schools. "Yes, he paid for it himself" - then the conversation is done. He went to a private clinic, paid for the procedure himself. That's how he wants it to be. The real hypocrisy would be getting dual citizenship in Canada or the UK and go there for free treatment when he doesn't pay taxes there. "but the point is that it's cheaper at those hospitals than it is in America (as all healthcare is) because they have the support of the public infrastructure" - No. The clinic is private and they periodically renegotiate what they charge the government to see public system users. They are not public infrastructure and they don't get "support". They charge the government for a service. Just like the government pays PRIVATE companies to build roads or schools. "So that's still the results of the public single payer system at work" - Holy fuck. By that logic literally anything you can get from private business is the government's work. Why even have capitalism, in the end the government does everything. "hence why he got better deals in Canada than America." - HE DIDN'T GET A BETTER DEAL. HE NEEDED SURGERY FOR A HERNIA AND HE PICKED A CLINIC THAT HAS THE BEST PROCEDURE TO DEAL WITH HERNIAS. THEY DEVELOPED THEIR OWN PROCEDURE AND PROMISE BETTER RESULTS WITH FASTER RECOVERY AFTER THE SURGERY. IT WASN'T ABOUT THE DEAL, HE PICKED THE BEST RESULTS - THAT WERE DEVELOPED BY A CLINIC THAT HAS BEEN AROUND BEFORE THE CURRENT MODEL OF PUBLIC HEALTHCARE SYSTEM WAS EVEN INTRODUCED. It wasn't that Canada offered a better deal than the Americans. It's just that a Canadian private clinic developed a better procedure than anyone else.
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  17583. "Multiple cities are defunding police" - Not because of private property damage but because cops managed to get enough bad optics to fulfill what was the plan all along - end a union-protected job position that any high schooler with above room temperature IQ could get. Which was extremely lucky because the bad optics caused by the riots made many people actually call for more police brutality. So it's a blessing that cops are dumb enough to keep getting caught on camera committing atrocities and being absolute retards otherwise people would be siding with law enforcement. "And they did it in a very similar way to how this country was founded." - There would have been a lot more loyalists shooting rebels if that were the case. "Again you don't have to agree with that change but you'd be lying to yourselves if you didn't acknowledge they got more done in a couple weeks than peaceful progun protesters have accomplished in decades." - That's a completely flawed reasoning. Gun rights advocacy is a very tricky situation because the only people interested in this shit are gun owners themselves and the gun industry. Meanwhile the "changes" being done now have a lot of backing. A dumb white dude with a high and tight haircut being able to hold a position of authority and make a career out of it even though he only has a HS diploma is an inconvenience. Replacing such positions by college graduates creates a hard barrier to entry. Most of the changes in gun rights advocacy in recent history don't come from protesting but by defeating gun grabbers in the courts. The comparison can't be made. If we started destroying shit people would go on about how we're terrorists and need to get drone striked because we have no backing. When you have backing, you can literally burn black-owned businesses and kill a black man over a TV and the government fulfills your demands. You think if we kill a person over a TV we'll get the NFA repealed? Think for a second.
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  17715.  @CiGambino  Yeah but when given a link it opens on the browser, the button that acts as "swipe" is almost imperceptible. 1. You can find information that isn't about chickens from established sources - not Vanden Bossche, by the way. Nitpicking the detail that humans and poultry are different is strange. 2. Yeah there's a trend line but you can see dots all over the place. With a high enough population carrying up to 27 days at the same levels of the dirty unvaccinated, yeah man we ain't winning the fight. 3. That data is coming from the US, which is only recording hospitalizations. I'd like to see international data. 4. Sure, I don't know who said otherwise. 5. Emergence? Too late. We need to check for spread. Like shown India has low vaccination rates and China's Sinovac appears to be less effective, as expected. Telling the X million Americans who haven taken it to take it when there's almost 2 billion hosting the thing... Buddy... 6. Again, if the argument is "slow down the spread"... we tried that. Didn't work. Even with slower spread it hangs around and peaks later. And to answer the question, you'll gladly give you the honor to pull my plug if I come down with the coof. 7. CFR for 12-30 averages closer to 0.028%, not .10% per CDC data. Additionally, Israel saw an increase in acute coronary syndrome and cardiac arrest in the younger age groups compared to the 2019 and 2020 average. A very small percentage compared with the number of vaccinated of course, but risks have to be weighed. Again, per CDC data ages 0-17 had more deaths than the flu, but less than half than the ones by pneumonia. A mass campaign targeting the youth, even with very low chances of side effects, is gonna affect more people than the ones we lost. Same reason the British didn't fire AAA at incoming V2s over London.
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  17986.  @BrianMcKinny  "we should just pull out of the region and let Iran push everyone around under threat of violence" - the US is pushing everyone around under the threat of violence. So is Israel. "let's allow them to become a nuclear power!" - who allowed the US to become a nuclear power? Who allowed Israel to become a nuclear power? That is never questioned... Also, if Israel and Iran both have nuclear capabilities they enter MAD. Mutually Assured Destruction was what prevented the USSR and the USA from fighting each other directly. Logically if only Iran had nukes they'd have a strike advantage... and if only Israel has nukes then it means they enjoy a strike advantage as they can leverage their nuclear threat to strike with impunity. Look it up, it's on the leaked Clinton emails. The reason the US government doesn't want a nuclear Iran is solely because MAD would enforce peace and not allow Israel to make strikes at will against Lebanon or Syria. "After all, they've only fired upon or bombed and destroyed four of our ally's oil tankers in the last month" - The US KILLED 290 INNOCENT CIVILIANS in the shootdown of Iran Air Flight 655. "a $158 million dollar drone of ours while it was flying and operating in international airspace" - if Iran was flying a drone just a few miles off American airspace what do you think American defenses would do? "Just imagine what a bunch of psychotic Shiite Muslim Mullahs would do with nuclear-tipped inter-continental ballistic missiles, in a region where they're surrounded by Sunni-led countries of Iraq" - you do realize Iraq is controlled by two Shia factions, one of which is allied with Iran, right? At this point you're exposing how unaware you are, Iraq has a slight Shia majority and they voted for two Shia parties. Shia groups trained in Iran were one of the forces responsible for driving ISIS out of Iraq and are now acting as the militia inside Iraq. "Do you honestly think that if Iran had even a SINGLE nuclear weapon that they wouldn't use it - IMMEDIATELY?" - why would they? If you actually try to explain that you'll see how silly that proposition is. "And most likely, against Israel. Then, where would that lead us? Hmm?? Perhaps, it might lead us to... Dare I say it? WAR WITH IRAN???" - but why? You're treating an attack on Israel resulting in the US being pulled into war as an axiom. But not really, the US can simply stay out. You're trying to defend American imperialism by implying that if America isn't imperial it will have to become imperial. That doesn't make any sense. "while you're still looking back at the past, trying to blame America" - dude, what? So the US isn't at fault no matter what they do, but everything Iran will be held against them. Okay. "Iran will have no compunction whatsoever with launching Armageddon the first chance they get." - 1. Why? 2. If they will launch Armageddon the first chance they get, why haven't they launched a full scale invasion of Israel to trigger the Samson option? Israel will disperse nukes all over the Arab world is threatened as part of their nuclear deterrence. If Iran is more interested in suicidal nuclear warfare than survival, they could just trigger it RIGHT NOW with a conventional attack on Israel. "Because, like it or not, a belligerent nuclear-armed Iran IS YOUR problem, just like they're mine, and everyone else's problem in the Western world." - why? I'm not kidding, I want detailed explanations of your BS because you're throwing statements out there and expecting me to believe without evidence. "And wouldn't it be nice if our supposed allies in Europe, particularly France and Germany would recognize our sanctions against Iran and stop doing business with the mullahs that props up their murderous regime? The duplicitous nature of their continued business dealings with Iran undermines our position, and only prolongs the pain of the current situation we currently are enduring." - "murderous regimes" I'm gonna remind you of the civilian casualties in Iraq over a was based on LIES by the neocon warmongers. I'm going to remind you of the Bush, Obama and even Trump air strikes which killed countless civilians. Second, European nations have the right to their sovereignty. If you want to tell Europeans what to do then fucking invade and gain control of the population. If you're not willing to do that then shut up and let nations do what they think is best. "If France and Germany would stop the flow of money to Iran, we could bring Iran to the negotiating table much quicker." - and if the US hadn't put the Shah in power this wouldn't be a worry right now. But yeah, let's blame France and Germany for a problem the US created.
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  17991.  @HaloDude557  No, your comments are irrelevant. You're understanding the process backwards. It's the state that has to prove you committed a crime. If you shoot someone who was a threat to your life on a state that doesn't have duty to retreat, what crime have you committed? Start from there. If you're going by "need", you're trying to engage in a process where people are guilty until proven innocent. If we're going by "need", most times you don't "need" to resist against an assailant. Imagine if you had to prove that an armed assailant attacking you was a threat... Imagine if the state could say that a gun to your head doesn't prove you were going to die. How can I make it more clear to you that if we go by your logic, most self-defense would be deemed illegal? You're doing the same thing as anti-gunners. Why do you need a gun? That's the backwards way of looking at it. It's not you who has to justify why you "need" a gun. You have a legal right to own them. Start from there. Otherwise it would be like in some countries, where to prove that you're in danger of being assassinated to justify getting a carry license, you need to have an attempt on your life first. Obviously this doesn't help if you die on the first try. Driving away, unless you have a bullet-resistant headrest, can end up with a bullet in the base of your skull. You don't know what "circumstantial" is so don't use five dollar words to wow me. "Fear of bodily injury or dead needs to be reasonable and justified" - Typically an assailant with a weapon does that for you already. "Being scared someone might shoot you in the back at 200 yards" - Not even a Tesla can launch that fast, and I don't have a Tesla. You really gonna argue a car can do 200 yards from a standstill in the quarter second it takes to pull a trigger? "through a vehicle body moving 60+ mph" - Your car does 0-60 in a quarter second? You could get in contact with the Guinness World Records.
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  18114.  @apostle100  So for nukes to offer deterrence they need to be used? A weapon can deter an enemy without being used, by virtue of nations not being totally suicidal. If Russia or China have global sea domination, all the US can do is take a bow and leave the podium. Not fight and lose all its Navy in a pointless last stand. Stealth aircraft have offered a major deterrent to hostile nations because they know that US air power can cripple them. They never had to be used for strikes against China or Russia. "Russia and China do not need to control global trade for US ships to be vulnerable to hypersonic weapons" - Talk about missing the point. US ships being vulnerable to hypersonic weapons automatically awards Russia or China the control of global trade because they just became the world dominant sea power. You read it completely backwards. "US could control global trade and yet its ships are still vulnerable to hypersonic missiles" - If a weapon has outpaced your Navy and essentially made it obsolete, you have no control of global trade. "nothing but a straw man because there is no war" - But that's my point. The scales being tipped doesn't lead to war, it just leads to a country having an undisputable trump card. Instead of conflict, the trump card grants you the biggest leverage in the negotiation table. "Who said anything about starting fights" - You're the one requiring things to be kinetic for a weapon to tip the scales of power. "if you're in a state where a lot of people conceal carry and most people don’t - guess what.....the people who don’t carry would be sitting ducks to those who conceal carry (or those who open carry for that matter) in the event the armed turned against the unarmed" - The issue is that people in the street to not have disputes with everyone they see. In the global stage, everyone has their own interests and competing for the same thing. For a good comparison, there's one person who open carries (everyone knows about their weapon) and the local stores only sell one of each item per day. So whenever the person who open carries shows up, people just let him take what he wants and wait for another day instead of fighting him. Without the gun ever leaving the holster, this guy controls the entire town. "There is no war" - Yes. And still, the US has a huge naval presence to enforce its interests. Having a warring force out at sea is a form of diplomacy even when no shots are being fired.
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  18129.  @Planesrifter  "How many do I think could have continued on with upgraded systems and advancements and still had a viable place?" - You don't understand. You constantly load and unload metal or composites, fatigue starts to set in. You fly too many hours, things break apart mid air. Look at Japan Airlines Flight 123. An incorrect repair on the rear pressure bulkhead created a structure that after calculation, was found to have lasted 10,000 pressurization cycles. On its 12,318th flight after incorrect repair, the stress crack ruptured, breaking hydraulic fluid lines and ejecting the vertical stabilizer. 520 people died, only 4 survived. You can't simply upgrade - planes will break apart in flight if they're not retired. Old F-16s go to the boneyard. Old F-15s go to the boneyard. It's easier to buy a new than just rebuild entire sections. "My primary point is that due to the A-10's unique design elements to incorporate a gun like it does, it would be an existing airframe with a notable compatibility for testing airborne railgun tech" - But why? The mass of the gun and batteries would be so high it probably wouldn't even take off. "I'm sure you know that the power burst for firing a railgun comes from a capacitor array discharge. This array simply takes time to recharge, and could be pre-charged for the first shot to be ready before takeoff, with external generators, perhaps mounted on hard points" - Huhhhh. So we're carrying extra fuel for these generators, huh? The A-10 engines are notorious for being underpowered, in Afghanistan the altitude limits the takeoff weight. And if you mount bigger engines, it'll guzzle more fuel. "Airborne versions may only have a shot ready every minute" - We have missiles and rockets that can fire as fast as you can change targets on the MFD screen. "But what if you're not IN a battlefield, but BVR (Is that the term? I forget. Beyond visual range?) and lining up a shot without hostiles knowing you're there? Yes I know missiles and (some) guided bombs can engage from those distances too, but the railgun would be SIGNIFICANTLY cheaper per shot, and likely harder to trace the origin of" - Who cares if it's cheaper? A a million dollar stealth glide bomb destroying several dozens of millions of dollars worth of equipment and killing the trained crews that operate it is extremely cheap. No need to pinch pennies by using impractical weapons in impractical aircraft doing impractical roles. With the projected range of naval railguns, they might as well just fire directly from sea and the payload dives on target at Mach 5. No need to load the gun on an airplane. "desire to see the A-10 improved and revamped to better fulfill its role" - It's role barely exists anymore. It's not being used for the original role, it's not being used for the secondary role picked for it, it's doing COIN. No need for a railgun to do COIN.
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  18130.  @Planesrifter  "I meant new production models" - Completely impractical. "Re-producing an existing product would only require retooling costs, not the millions or billions of RnD costs for an entirely new design and airframe" - No.... The world has changed. First of all, you're not going to be making the old airframe. You need to use modern processes and materials. Remaking old designs is often a complete waste of money because you need to remake things the way they were done decades ago, and we do a lot of things differently. You will have to RnD a entirely new airframe and plan an entire production line. We can't hit a stop button on a clock and keep the old machines and old machinists and welders. "And in comparison to missiles, tanks are surprisingly cheap. Guided bombs can (emphasis on can) cost upwards of 10x that of a modern tank." - What? A Maverick missile's supposed unit cost is 110k. The unit cost of a T-72 is two million. "Yes but how many missiles and bombs do they carry? And what are the mobility limitations of them?" - An A-10 can comfortably carry 4x Mavericks and several pods of rockets. The guided rocket conversion kits can be fitted on the 19-shot pods. Mobility limitations? Less than batteries and generators. "What if the entire airframe is ripped apart by the first shot due to an unforeseen caveat, and you spent billions on the new aircraft?" - Sounds like someone not only skipped the engineering phase that would predict at which point things start to rip apart, and then skipped the static ground tests that would show anything that the math and physics wouldn't by ripping apart a carbon fiber test bed shaped like a section of the fuselage of the airplane, rather than the actual airplane. You're the one who wants to spit out metal out of an aircraft at Mach Jesus and now you're worried about things ripping apart? "Mountainous regions would block almost all naval rounds unless dropped straight down" - I'm sure there's a problem here. The whole point of naval-fired rounds is firing at an arc. If you thought the rail gun was a direct fire weapon primarily, here's the scoop - one of the payload options for the railgun is theorized to be a shell filled with tungsten cubes. The shell self-separates before impact and unleashes thousands of high velocity projectiles with very high density that can destroy aircraft not stored in concrete bunkers and may even penetrate through the tops of tanks. "Not to mention the flight time still exists" - The projectile will literally arrive before a plane can take off on short notice. "a LOT of atmosphere in the way, and ballistic coeffiecients exist for a reason." - Yeah. That's why the shot is fired upwards to fly the most time in thinner atmosphere, and then drops down because even though there's a ballistic coefficient you don't lose speed when you have gravity assisting you. You shoot upwards at Mach 7, the projectile falls down at Mach 5. "An aircraft would not have to worry about terrain at all, and the target would be significantly closer, reducing the chance to miss." - I mean, aircraft do have to worry about terrain, considering that you don't want to crash into terrain, and that you can also use terrain to prevent being shot down. And terrain can obscure targets too, which is why lofting bombs is pretty cool. If you know a target's position you can pull the stick back, drop a bomb and it flies forward over the mountain and hits the target without you exposing yourself. Being closer increases the chances of being shot down, and a rail gun shot would require pointing the aircraft at the target and flying in a straight path. The lower chance to miss only happens when you greatly increase your chances of becoming a sitting duck. "I'm studying mechanical engineering with a focus in ballistics and weaponry" - A word to the wise here, focus on manufacturing. If you think half a century old manufacturing can be reactivated with the snap of a finger you're being too optimistic.
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  18201.    IT'S NOT INDIRECT. IT'S BUSINESS SHIFTING THEIR COST OF OPERATION TO THE GOVERNMENT. JESUS CHRIST, PEOPLE. IS THIS REAL LIFE? IT'S LITERAL CORPORATE WELFARE, USING STATE MONEY TO SUPPORT BUSINESSES. "And no that's not basic economics. That's not how demand and supply works. Which is very studied and proven. Your systement contradicts thousands of published peer review papers." - no, it doesn't. It literally obeys supply and demand. Are you saying that according to supply and demand, if I give away computers for 0 dollars then will 600 dollar computers be worth 800? No. If you start giving something away for free, it reduces value. "If people work for free then the supply of workers decrease and prices for paid labour goes up." - for that people will have to refuse to work for free, aka the initial conditions have changed. If people are working for free, it devalues labour. Once the conditions change by the previously unpaid labourers demanding wages, price of labour will go up. With price of labour going up, more people will be willing to work meaning that labour will devalue back to roughly the starting position. It is a cycle. But taking a snapshot in time where people are giving away free labour, labour is devalued. If then the supply of labour decreases then yes you may see a severe hike in the value of labour - but your argument hinged on people being willing to work even when there are no wages involved, essentially killing the normal cycle I just mentioned if what you said was true.
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  18202.  @killcat1971  "But so what? you'd (hopefully) end up with a system where everyone was covered for the basics and if you were willing to work you could live fairly well on even a minimum wage job, as stated it would also cover maternity leave and students, veterans, the mentally ill etc." - then why not just implement communism? You're just a few steps removed. Because it seems to be a clusterfuck in terms of morality. On one hand you have capitalism assuming all interactions without government intervention are voluntary and it's immoral to force unwanted relationships/contracts with "society", on the other hand you have communism which despite my disagreement has created a morality that attempts to be internally consistent and justifies it's existence. With your system... it's madness. Seems like there's no method or logic, just people clicking buttons and adjusting sliders like real like is just a game of SimCity where you don't care about law or fairness or morality. People are just mindless drones with a specific set of wants and needs and the government just gives it to keep people happy. Forget principles, only objectives and how to complete them. Say what you want about communism... but at least there's a purpose, there's principle. I don't want to live in this hellhole where we get the problems of communism AND the problems of megacorporations trying to get us to consume. The only justification being utilitarian arguments. "where would they get the land?" - people could get together and purchase land that has completely devalued so it's cheap. Does it sound like a commune? It does. I wholeheartedly support communes as long as they're voluntary.
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  18203.    "In Finland. Yes. They require evidence." - I literally do not know what the hell you're talking about or why you keep talking about Finland. I'm talking about the world in general. "Yes it's indirectly. They pay this to citizens not to corporations. No one wants to give corporations UBI." - You can refuse to see the facts. But if we have a friend, and I owe you 10 Euro, and I say I do not have money but our friend can pay my debt and he gives you the 10 Euro, you can call it "indirect" but I essentially took money from him and gave it to you. Sure, I didn't touch the money directly but I still benefited from his money because now I don't owe you money. If we do that with corporations, that is corporate welfare. Deny it. You can try. But the state covering for costs that businesses should be FORCED to pay and then the rich pocket the money they earned through this practice. It's a fucking joke. Privatized profits, socialized costs. Businesses become leeches. "And no if computers are given away that doesn't bring down the price of computers." - yes, it does. If everyone gets a computer for free this steals sales from competitors. If competitors have product on the shelves that they can't move the prices go down. Since better computer components are released almost every year, a computer that doesn't get sold will eventually have to compete with better models. Keeping product that doesn't sell in storage costs money. Have you ever seen any supermarket running deals on products that might be nearing their best before date? They typically cost less. Why? Because things that do not get bought are lower value. "And we are discussing labor here not computers. There is a limited demand for computers" - and there is no limited demand for labour? "Work on the other hand is not something that buyers get enough of." - then why does unemployment exist? Clearly there's a limiting factor for employment so there's no infinite demand for labour. "If they get some workers for free that doesn't mean that they wouldn't hire the rest of the workforce." - if I can get free workers to make all my products why would I waste money on hiring anyone else? Especially if hiring more people and making more product would lead to... saturation? "The number of available paid jobs are set by the central bank" - the what now? "Also when you hire someone on welfare you do get subsidies from the government. So how is what you describe different from what's already happening?" - well, it is different because I would hope it is a temporary measure to get people OFF the welfare. A permanent UBI? it would turn the human race into cattle. With the added criticism of being corporate welfare. Here's an interesting take on the subject: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nuRuFj5c0bE
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  18204.  @killcat1971  "Can you actually point me to an area with decent farm land hat's that cheap? Anyone who'd be in a better position to leave town than work is unlikely to have much money." - again, there's small plots of land, people can pool resources, etc it doesn't need to be "farm land" as long as there's no zoning laws bullshit people can grow food on home gardens - it's gonna grow on any appropriate soil. Also, there's plenty of wealthy leftists, ask them to contribute. And I am just saying, but for example in the US you used to be able to homestead public land but that was outlawed in the 1970's so that's a government putting a barrier on self-sufficiency, not capitalism. "As to Communism the issue with it is that it states that everyone is equal" - I'm not going to focus on that idealistic side of communist theory, according to the core tenants of communism the needy will be taken care of and the workers will keep the full profits of their labour, which would fulfill the stated goal of UBI. In theory it's going to allow for inequality, you just wouldn't be able to use property to achieve it. You'd have to work for it, not manage or hire people. "and then creates a hierarchy with the "party" on top" - not to sound like a communist, but communism is a stateless society. The communist party leading a country is socialism. That's why the USSR was lead by Communist parties, but the countries were Socialist republics. Minor nitpick, but my point is that communism ties the value of commodities to labour. I disagree with the labour theory of value because it only works if you add social necessity or "socially necessary labour", which is basically just Supply and Demand with added steps. But at least there's an economic theory behind it. Morality, even. It's important to realize that whoever pays the money that is used to give people UBI (the ultra rich, the mega corporations) will become The Party. They will have 100% of control over society. "The reason I prefer a UBI over Communism is it allows individuals free choice" - it really won't. UBI will be used to control the population. It's basically an allowance that you will have to spend on corporations so that they can profit and grow so that they can be taxed and you get your UBI again. What's going to happen when people are given UBI but they realize there's a big advantage in not consuming and simply saving the money? "In short Communism has never worker, democratic socialism (like Norway) does" - Norway isn't democratic socialism. It's a capitalist country with welfare. It works on a highly productive country with strong industries, meanwhile the same system is implemented in the PIGS and they're always in the brink of collapse. And plus, the same pitfalls of communism will affect UBI. One of the reasons the Soviet Union had so many problems was that people preferred to save their money than consuming, the ruble was more valuable than the goods produced by the Soviet Union. This means that industries could not sustain themselves and generate the wealth required to pay people's wages, this almost brought down the Soviet Union several times. Like I said before, if the economy depends on people spending their UBI but they realize that it's better to save money the economy will stagnate and there will be no taxable profits to distribute as UBI. "I don't know what your situation is but what would being able to get $1000/month do for you" - it would be about the same I'm gonna make once I graduate college later this year, and about double than I made working my ass off full time without a degree.
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  18406.  @mathewpoole3589  "Electronics that you buy in the Us, England or even Australia are not made wholly there." - exactly, because there are reliable supply lines. You're speaking of areas without reliable supply lines. "If 1 hour on a bike can help to improve my quality of living." - again I want to stress you're speaking of areas that don't even have access to fuel. I'm not sure anything electronic is going to improve quality of living. "Compared to hours of wondering around, picking up wood and dried plant material" - which will provide light and warmth. Fucking electric room heaters are rated above 1000W and you want 270W pedaling to make a difference... And if you're in a warm country trying to power an A/C... Forget it. "All the while risking getting bitten by snakes, spiders or preditors, not to mention frostbite in winter." - a risk you're gonna have to take when going out for food or water anyway. "If I'm isolated it can be shipped in just like how the water pumps are, just like how water purifiers are," - the big difference is that water pumps and water purifiers have direct applications. The pedal is only useful to charge phones/laptops and power electric lights, which are things the locals are not in desperate need of if their situation is so dire. It wouldn't be enough to power a lathe that could be used to make replacement parts or something that's actually productive because if people are in situations so bad they can't get fuel I am sure being productive and securing self-sustenance will be more important than small comforts like electric lighting when we humans had light before electricity. "and just like how solar panels are (keep in mind not all areas are suitable for solar)." - an area unsuitable for solar can be suitable for wind. "You've not made one argument that has counted anything I've said." - yes, I have made plenty. "Human power is readily available" - it's also extremely weak and inefficient. You're taking plants, or animals fed on plants and processing them through the human digestive system to harness energy that the human will then transmit to a machine. You're losing efficiency at every step of the way. If human power was such a big fucking deal we'd all be using it. "How are electronics sent around the world and delivered to distant locations." - the same way fuel is. So if you can send electronics, you can send fuel as well. So why the fuck would you be sending a billionaire's scam contraption that can barely keep the lights on?
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  18686.  @jamesevans886  Sorry but the Russian army has like 5 or 6 echelons. They have the vaporware T-14 Armata, the modern T-90M, the modernish T-80 which is operated by a few units, the more numerous T-72s, etc. The T-62 isn't an echelon. It was available because Russia had a refurbishing program to send to Syria. The Russian army was never meant to use T-62s, because the main gun doesn't even use the same shells as the rest of the army. Tank on tank combat is rare. And who sees who first is important. The older a tank is, usually the less capable the optics are. The economic calculation is worthless. 250k? You can't arrive in Russia and ask for a new T-62 for 250k. They're not in production anymore. They're tanks that sat on depots for decades and got refurbished. To Russia, each tank hull is priceless. Each tank that gets knocked out and doesn't get recovered for repairs is something Russia won't get back. They'd probably pay 2 million per tank if you had a boneyard full of T-62s. Russian Naval Infantry was in heavy battles in Southern Ukraine. The VDV suffered heavy losses pushing out of Hostomel airport into Hostomel town and Irpin. They were also at Kherson and now were sent to Bakhmut/Soledar. Russia took equipment out of the Finnish border. They're not afraid, they need the equipment to fight Ukraine. Also from Kaliningrad. Kaliningrad is surrounded by NATO, yet Russians pulled equipment from there to help in Ukraine. Putin was never a master spy. He was an office clerk who found himself in the right position at the right time.
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  18738.  @markportnoy6290  Hold on. So there were cases, we just didn't know about them, but because they're not counted it wasn't a pandemic? I don't think the definition of a pandemic should be defined by our awareness of it. The black plague was not a pandemic until people realized what it was? You're the one using rhetoric. It wasn't a pandemic because we didn't declare it. I can only scoff at that. Yes, people said it was the flu. I can't post images but there's compilations of news articles about it. We learned from the deadliness before it even "left" China (it already had but we didn't know). We knew it had a 3% CFR. Adult? That's the narrative now! All this testing is clogging up the systems with cases that don't need attention. Funny, the increased testing due to Christmas and NYE is the cause for this debacle, but not the Feb/March increase in 2020? Was mass testing even available in Feb 2020? Yes, I remember that in mid 2020. But early 2020 it wasn't him. It was the opposition. You were called a racist if you thought it was deadlier than the flu. Oh, things are X but they can definitely be Y. Is that how I get a government job? Just say whatever and follow up by admitting things can change? Guys, unemployment will drop! Unless it increases, don't hold it against me if the situation changes! Guys, I can assure you Afghanistan is stable! Unless the Taliban take over the government, again things change. I could read the article. I don't need to, though. You are maybe angered by those 7 statements. That's fine. I'm angered by a million different statements. You only care about Trump Trump Trump. Trump is the only thing on your mind, and you want me to believe you actually care about the virus? So no, I don't care what Vox has to say. I probably already know about 5 or 6 of those statements. I don't need to focus on Trump because I don't care about him. If we hold Trump responsible for what he did (and only that, no ridiculous reasons like no mask mandate - Biden just said it should be up to the states did he not? And only put the mandate on federal buildings?) can you then agree to let us hold everyone else responsible? Or are you so faithful to Trump's opposition you want them to be protected at all costs?
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  18848.  @tensemurm5924  There's no contradiction. Nice strawman, an admission of loss. One strike and you're out. You're done. Pravin T Goud,1,2 David Bai,3 and Husam M Abu-Soud, A Multiple-Hit Hypothesis Involving Reactive Oxygen Species and Myeloperoxidase Explains Clinical Deterioration and Fatality in COVID-19, Int J Biol Sci. 2021; 17(1): 62–72. Paari Dominicabc, Javaria Ahmada, Ruchi Bhandarid, Sibile Parduee, Juan Solorzanoa, Keerthish Jaisingha, Megan Watts, Steven R.Bailey, A. Wayne Orrbcef, Christopher G., Kevilbcef Gopi, K.Kolluruce, Decreased availability of nitric oxide and hydrogen sulfide is a hallmark of COVID-19, Redox Biology Volume 43, July 2021, 101982 Mitsuhiro Yokoyama, Ken-ichi Hirata, Endothelial nitric oxide synthase uncoupling: Is it a physiological mechanism of endothelium-dependent relaxation in cerebral artery?, Cardiovascular Research, Volume 73, Issue 1, January 2007, Pages 8–9 Martin L. Pall, The NO/ONOO-Cycle as the Central Cause of Heart Failure, Int J Mol Sci. 2013 Nov; 14(11): 22274–22330. Wanyi Fang, Jingrui Jiang, Lei Su, Tong Shu, Huan Liu, Shenghan Lai, Reza A. Ghiladi, and Jun Wanga, The role of NO in COVID-19 and potential therapeutic strategies, Free Radic Biol Med. 2021 Feb 1; 163: 153–162. Maria Grazia Signorello, Silvia Ravera, and Giuliana Leoncinia, Lectin-induced oxidative stress in human platelets, Redox Biol. 2020 May; 32: 101456. Eli Gilad, Salvatore Cuzzocrea, Basilia Zingarelli, Andrew L.Salzman, Csaba Szabó, Melatonin is a scavenger of peroxynitrite, Life Sciences Volume 60, Issue 10, 31 January 1997, Pages PL169-PL174 Yadi Zhou, Yuan Hou, Jiayu Shen, Reena Mehra, Asha Kallianpur, Daniel A. Culver, Michaela U. Gack, Samar Farha, Joe Zein, Suzy Comhair, Claudio Fiocchi, Thaddeus Stappenbeck, Timothy Chan, Charis Eng, Jae U. Jung, Lara Jehi, Serpil Erzurum, Feixiong Cheng, A network medicine approach to investigation and population-based validation of disease manifestations and drug repurposing for COVID-19, 10.1371/ journal.pbio.3000970
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  19017. "How am I paying for everyone else's bandwidth in a NN system? If I don't use streaming or other intensive services then I pay for a lower kbps." - There's still plans with kbps? (I realize some people live in underserviced zones, it's a joke) You are paying for everyone else's bandwidth. The ISP is not charging you for those "kbps" or "mbps", the ISP is charging you a rate they think makes them enough money to maintain their business and still be able to pocket something for themselves. Their service is tiered but whatever they charge for the lowest tier is based on a function of how many people actually want this tier and how much are they willing to pay for it. "You imply through your images that trivial entertainment like porn, cartoons and a Christmas Story are a less worthy usage of bandwidth than posting on 4chan or sharing your linguistics paper" - But that's not the point. Video streaming, especially done in very optimized fashion, requires more bandwidth. Posting on 4chan requires almost nothing. It's not moralism, it's the fact that I'm being a "good neighbor" and everyone else is being a "bad neighbor" by hogging bandwidth. "which is an entirely subjective evaluation that neither you nor, and more to the point, ISPs have any right to make" - Truckers pay higher toll taxes in many countries. I'm pretty sure that size and weight of a vehicle is an objective evaluation. And the state or private entity that manages the road has the right to judge the cost of using the road based on the class of vehicle. "I don't care what other people use their bandwidth for, I'm going to be making my purchasing decisions based on my own usage, not anyone else's." - But that's actually the problem. When I need to turn around in a fast paced video game that only needs to phone to the server with updates in position and game state to get that guy who's about to shoot me, I have thousands of people on Netflix who are trying to get their packets around me who are negatively impacting my ability to have my shot accurately recorded by the server. Everyone is thinking for themselves, and ignoring how they're being a nuisance to other users. And they won't even realize it because their show isn't time-sensitive and it buffers ahead.
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  19246.  @Leoluvesadmira  "the IR seeker still needs to be able to see the target" - And the IR seeker can not only go off boresight and see targets almost 70-90º to your flight vector, modern missiles are starting to get built-in with the capability to have sensor fusion dictate a target to them or even the pilot's helmet mark a target, come off the rail, turn into the target, then turn on the seeker. Yes, the seeker needs to be able to see the target. And now you can make the missile go to where it needs to be, and then "open its eye" to see the target. And the IR seeker is effective at essentially double-digits on the number of miles. So who'd want to get close anyway? "the same holds true for a radar seeker" - Okay. Not only are radars capable of having a very wide cone of scanning, you also have RWR, you also are linked to your wingmen's radars and also receiving information from AWACS. So even though you have some limits (and sensor fusion is starting to address them) you're very unlikely to not just be able to mark a target and fire. "I need to turn or pull some maneuver to see him" - The problem is that you need to understand that fundamentally everything has changed. That "maneuver" is pulling high AoA and firing. That's it. The F-35 is usually compared to the Hornet in nose authority, which means you can point it really well. And this now matters more than being able to turn like in the old days. What used to take several minutes of dancing around to position yourself for a missile shot is now done in seconds. Everyone can just shoot at each other and the missiles are deadlier than ever. So who would want to get close?
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  19664.  @WalterWiperi  The government tyranny of a state fighting back after Russia put weapons and criminals inside its borders. Illegitimate coup? The democratically elected parliament relieved the president of his duties after he fled the country. Eight years... In the years prior to the war less than 20 people had died on average per year in the conflict. They were not told what language they could speak. Ukraine told Russia that Russia propaganda would have to be spoken in Ukrainian. Russian speakers in Ukraine could speak Russian with each other. Russian media in Ukraine had to speak Ukrainian. Big difference. Almost every country has language laws to promote their national language or else all the TV shows and music become English because of America. There was negotiation. The separatists ignored it. They get paid to fight and kill, they fight and kill. All on Russia's behalf. The DPR forces planned to assault Debaltseve the day after signing Minsk II. You can't deal with these people. They'll plan to stab you in the back before the ink is even dry. Nobody cares about festivals. Ukrainians are not fighting for festivals. They're fighting for a homeland. There's no negotiation possible because Russia has broken almost every negotiation they've been a part of. The only way they listen is by force. The DPR and LPR could have my sympathy, but they've decided to be a conglomeration of criminals, murderers, terrorists on the Kremlin payroll. Pushilin even looks like the criminal he is. Seriously. He looks like a movie villain. There's a reason Ukrainian cities are being destroyed. Putin wills it. It's fine. Ukraine loses the city. Russia loses its future. How will Russia's demographics recover after sending their boys to die? Occupation comes at a cost. Make sure the hole you're trying to fill with blood doesn't lead to the sea.
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  19778. ​ @Tombee2  that's not the definition of socialism. In any corporation people work together for a common goal and that doesn't make them socialist. Having power over someone (withholding production capacity, which threatens business) and using it as leverage in a negotiation is pretty capitalist. "Not to mention socialism in an umbrella term" - yeah but the umbrella isn't far reaching enough to say that people getting together is socialism, or that me sharing my food is socialism, etc. Socialism may be an umbrella term but it is very well defined and you can't shove anything underneath it. "Using communism an extreme left wing idea isnt fair for the term socialism because it can be pro-market" 1) it is VERY fair, look up the history of socialism; 2) pro-market socialism is still anti-capitalist "Also capitalism isnt the best direction as seen through the industrial ear" - the industrial era made people have enough power to demand the vote, abolish child labour, etc. Before the industrial era you had no choice. "we need a mix of both socialistic practices as well as capitalism" - that makes no sense. Socialist practices contradict capitalism and vice-versa. The abolition of private property is against capitalism, even if the system is based on market-socialism. And if you allow capitalism within a socialist system people will undermine the system. "If we have pure capitalsim then the rich will rule over the poor" - the rich ruling over the poor exists in literally every system. Even in anarchism, the lack of a governing system, the rich will have more choice and control over those who have less. "if we have communism greedy government officials will rule" - communism is supposed to be stateless
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  19889.  @outlawfly664  "they are not as cost effective any longer (an important issue)" - They are extremely cost effective. Air power can hit the rear areas of enemies, cripple their logistics, take out command and control, etc. Doing that with ground forces only is extremely costly because you'll lose men and materiel doing those missions. "The unit prices are overwhelmingly large" - Extremely cheap compared to the men and vehicles you lose on a ground war. "and are vulnerable to most modern air defense systems" - The other way around. Defense systems are destroyed with aerial SEAD campaigns. Which is why the US gave Ukraine HARMs. 90s HARMs, by the way. The next generation HARM will have an even better seeker and longer range. "you also need airbases or aircraft carriers to operate them which are very vulnerable to modern accurate missile attack (ballistic and cruise missiles)" - The craters seen in satellite imagery show that half the missile strikes on Ukrainian air bases missed the runway. Runway attacks are also temporary, there's a reason purpose built anti-runway weapons often deployed AP mines to threaten the engineering works to repair the surface. "Hence why i see why Iran isn't investing heavily in modernizing its fleet even though Russia offers them their su-35 series, or China offers them J-10s etc." - Maybe that's just because Iran doesn't want to go bankrupt. Is Iran the smartest country in the world? Because you're just admitting that Russians and the Chinese see a future in aircraft. But Iran doesn't. Are you saying Iran is the wisest country or just use Iran as your example for everything?
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  20026.  @pccalcio  "tens of testimonies have been registered." - Only four people were involved in Fravor's flight. I need those other two's description of the events. "after resetting the radar" - Resetting doesn't make errors go away by magic. "A possible radar malfunctions has been therefore ticked off." - No. There's multiple errors that do not go away with a reset. "you have military officials talking on TV to urge a more in depth investigation, you just don't want to look at it as information" - Again, the Chilean military was unable to identify a UFO that Mick West and the people at Metabunk were able to identify as an airliner 60 miles away. Military officers don't know what they don't know. "do you really want to compare the training of a debunker" - No, I'm mocking the fact that an elementary school kid can understand the principles involved. I'm not comparing, I'm mocking. Because frankly it's embarrassing. "with the training a fighter pilot has to go through" - They're not trained to know what they don't know. Again, UFO footage has been solved by nerds on the internet that the military couldn't solve. Being trained to fly against other aircraft doesn't make someone an expert at identifying things they've never seen. "so in a trial, a direct testimony has no value, right" - You do realize that the more we understand about the topic the less eyewitness testimony is considered credible, right? You've seen the test where witnesses asked about the velocity of a car that rammed another at 30 mph said they witnessed a 60 mph car crash simply by changing the phrasing of the question, right? Simple words can make people misremember their memories. "I'm having fun XD" - No I'm having fun because it's amazing how you still haven't debunked elementary school math, a former fighter pilot embarrassed himself because he can't debunk elementary school math so his only response is getting angry on Lex Friendman's podcast, you think that pilots are superhumans and they're trained to identify every single object or phenomena and that eyewitness testimony hasn't been scientifically tested to have massive problems with how reliable it is. The more this goes on the more it shows you're afraid of checking the calculations. Mick West's math is available for anyone to debunk and you're all unable to fight him with actual evidence so you have to engage with strawmen, Ad Hominem and Appeal to Authority fallacies. I'm the one having fun because it shows how many people are afraid of numbers.
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  20478.  @SergeantAradir  The major difference is that you need multiple additions to that "light infantry" in "some foxholes". You want a good analogue, you'll need bunkers too, AT mines, pre-sighted artillery, ATGMs, ambush sites with shoulder fired rocket launchers and AT guns ready to take out vehicles as they roll in, plus the enemy having tanks and IFVs of their own. There's no ground radar to detect tanks like aircraft are detected, so I guess the enemy has forward observers and drones to provide early warning and correction to artillery. Your enemy has an entire spectrum of weapons dedicated solely to swat aircraft out of the air. And you want to compare this to just light infantry and foxholes. If you plan your tank advance poorly, you won't roll in with ease. You'll need to do everything in your power to fight every one of those individual weapons before the tanks can even roll in. You have to kill observers. Take out drones. Find the ambushes. Evade the mine fields. Use your artillery/cruise missiles to take out the artillery. You need a well oiled machine to "roll in with ease" through those defenses. Russian attacks missed. What else is new? They got the Aliexpress version of Desert Storm. Do you think that if the US was blue team and Ukraine red team, that moving defenses around would have made the US say "aw shucks" and give up? No, they'd continue with SEAD. The Iraqis started defensive moves after the initial attacks blew their defenses apart. To the point that most US aircraft were not allowed to fly under 10k-12k feet due to the threat their defenses still posed. Even when SAMs were suppressed, AAA wasn't. It has to be suppressed "manually".
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  20486.  @lohphat  "Libertarians say that taxation is like theft because it takes property from the unwilling. What they ignore, time and time again, is the crucial role of democratic consent" - when was the last time there was a democratic referendum regarding taxes? Also, democratic consent is a joke. 9 out of 10 people consent to a gang rape. You don't get to consent for me and I don't get to consent for you. "Taxes are not arbitrary impositions decreed by a faceless government" - they pretty much are. Financial policy is too complex for populist rhetoric and is mostly done behind closed doors. Not only are the hordes of unelected bureaucrats a literal manifestation of a "faceless government" but the taxation is pretty much arbitrary as the politicians in power make decisions based not with infinite wisdom but with personal biases, ideological and political constraints, etc. "Rather, taxes are the dues we pay in exchange for membership in a society and access to all the services it offers." - How do I revoke my membership? How can I cancel those services? In order for a membership or service to make sense I need to be able to withdraw my money. When dealing with an organization or provider my ability to sever my ties is the only form of leverage I have. "If you believe the price is too high, you’re free to renounce your membership and leave the club. What you’re not free to do is to refuse to pay, but demand that you still be allowed to sit in the club and use its facilities" - BULLSHIT. The equivalent would be a private club demanding that you pay even if you don't set foot inside the club. "Nor are you free, if the club doesn’t offer this option, to decide that you only use some of its services – only the swimming pool, say, but not the sauna or the tennis courts – and should therefore have the right to pay a prorated membership fee." - that's fucking ridiculous because there's many health clubs that have pricing systems where you only pay for what you use. Somehow several tiers of a service is a pie in the sky ordeal to the stupid mutherfucker who wrote this article. "If you don’t want to pay, if you dislike its terms, you can leave that society" - No, you can't. The government is making it harder for you to renounce citizenship by increasing the fees and demanding more bureaucracy such as requiring you to have citizenship in another country before you're allowed to renounce yours. The private club is now holding you hostage, demanding money and saying that you can't leave until you prove that you have bought a membership into another club. THIS IS A CRIME. "But you are not free to unilaterally demand that society rewrite its terms to favor your particular preferences." - you're not free to unilaterally demand that society rewrite its terms to favor your particular preferences. I'm gonna live in your house and eat your food. You're not free to demand me to leave. Respect your property? That's just your personal preference. "As centuries of history show, the natural state of an unregulated economy is not free competition, but stifled and constrained competition" - BULLSHIT LOL WE HAD CENTURIES OF MONARCHY AND NO FREEDOM AT ALL AND AS REGULATION INCREASES COMPETITION IS MORE AND MORE STIFLED. All major media companies are owned by like 6 groups. Facebook owns Whatsapp and Instagram. Patreon had competitors killed with the help of PayPal and MasterCard. Look at how Amazon is taking over. We're living in the age where there's less competition and everything is being owned by the same people but PLEASE tell me how regulation is good and doesn't stifle competition at all. "Large, established powers, if given the chance, will do everything they can to suppress competition" - such as buying off government officials or blackmailing them with all the revenue and jobs they control. OH MY GOD THIS GUY IS AN ABSOLUTE MORON: "industry groups may take a hand in designing regulations that make it all but impossible for new players to enter the field" then later "To maintain the preferable state of a free market, we need structure and regulation from the government" MOTHERFUCKER ADMITS THAT INDUSTRY WRITES REGULATION AND THEN CLAIMS REGULATION IS THE ANSWER "Outright intimidation, fraud and violence are often used against those who refuse to play along. Even the staunchly libertarian Cato Institute admits this:" - the article he links too and quotes out of context. The article linked is about how corporations use the government as a tool to squash competition and Adam Lee twists it into making you think the Cato institute is pro-government regulation. "In my experience, most libertarians concede that some regulation is needed, but argue that they should only be taxed for services that benefit them directly. This is like demanding that businesses sell their goods to you for exactly what it cost to make them and no more" - this is garbage. It's not equivalent at all. The price of a service is set at the equilibrium point between where a customer is willing to pay and where a company is willing to sacrifice their margins. If you demand for a cheaper service and the business can't do it or else they can't make money, you either stop consuming or you keep paying. If you're only taxed for the benefits you claimed, you pay fair and square for the cost of those services. " Just like any business, the government is entitled to “turn a profit”" - BU LL SH IT most governments run on a deficit, they spend every little red cent and then some. They contract debt by running on a deficit which then they try to pay off years later with the growth of the economy. Governments turning a profit? What? "Just as with a business, these proceeds can be reinvested" - this guy is fucking delusional. Money isn't "reinvested" by the government. It's all spent. Spending on infrastructure are "overhead" costs. When a company saves money and invests it, they're essentially starting "new" business by expanding their capacity or even buying new facilities. Countries don't save money to start more countries. This guy is purposefully conflating the concept of profits with revenue. When a business gets its revenue it """"""reinvests"""""" that money into raw materials, tooling, payroll, etc. but that's not "reinvestment" that's simply paying for the overhead costs. Those costs eat into your margins and thus reduce your profits. Your profits is what you actually take and keep in a war chest or redistribute towards shareholders as dividend, etc. You can then REINVEST into the business by hiring more personnel, buying more machines or even opening a new facility. And no, building roads and hospitals isn't reinvestment, that's the overhead because you have paying customers who you can't serve and thus you must bear the costs of doing business. Investment means you want to get something out of it, but you won't get something if the people already paid. "If taxes are spent unwisely or wasted, the answer is to elect better politicians" - JUST VOTE HARDER, PEASANT TL;DR - the guy who wrote that argument is a total moron and I've defeated all of his arguments
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  20516.  @devildog1989  The prices drop with mass manufacture. The 6.8 SPCII has existed for 20 years, and it sucked for all of them. If you're hunting with hollowpoints it's actually great, but as a military caliber it was evaluated by SOCOM and dropped. There's no such thing as bolt and barrel swaps. Unfortunately I don't remember when, must have been in a Q&A, but Ian McCollum has delivered one of the best explanations about how conversions can have almost everything go wrong. You won't save billions. First of all, it's a worse cartridge than 5.56. Second, it's going to go wrong. Even the M21 program was a failure. The Mk14 EBR was another shitshow. This obsession with "saving money" by trying to polish turds has not saved any money at all. Gold Dot is by Speer. Either way, the 77gr SMK on Mk262 has a G7 = .185 if you want to chase BCs, you won't beat that with a 90gr 6.8. The issue with the BC argument is that high BC bullets for 6.8 are naturally heavier or too long to fit the AR magazine format. Heavy bullets is going 7.62x39 after trying 5.45 - experience tells us it's a mistake and a step backwards. You gain BC, but you lose in velocity which means it's still arcing more than 5.56. You could do a light for caliber load, but that's to increase short range performance without gaining 400+ yard performance. Okay, M855A1 already did that. 6.8 SPC is completely irrelevant in terms of a military load, which is why official adoption only came from the DEA and gate guards in Middle Eastern oil states. If you want to shoot a guy driving a VBIED before he can get close to an oil sheik, a 6.8 hollow point does the trick.
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  20765.  @LondonSteveLee  "Saudi shot down practically nothing!" - And you expect everyone to be Saudis? "Military air defence systems are designed to deal with conventional aircraft" - Not true. Modern SHORAD is not only set up to target incoming cruise missiles but also glide bombs. "rely completely on satellites" - Not true. Even GPS guided bombs have INS backup. "The west needs to design a simple fast to produce mach 3+ plane" - Why? Going that fast is lighting up a "I'M HERE" sign and burning fuel like there's no tomorrow. "have a thousands of them instead of 100 F-35s" - The F-35 program is 1700 airframes strong, 1500 if they end up cutting back on purchases. Over 625 delivered worldwide. "Active tracking is so last century - your target can see you and it coming from your radar emissions being used to paint the target" - Not true. Low probability of intercept radar makes use of all the background energy that's being blasted across the sky to make emissions difficult to filter. Also, the F-35 can use cues other than radar to obtain lock. "While your emissions are screaming "I'M OVER HERE!!"" - They won't. Not only can the F-35 fire a weapon at a target being painted by some other radar somewhere else, it also has alternate means of detection. And additionally LPI radar is a thing now and RWR is now behind the curve. "A Typhoon or Rafale for instance will automatically immediately mark the radar source" - Not gonna work if the source is an AWACS outside missile range or a bait F-35. Or if the DAS/EOTS is used to obtain the track. "meanwhilte you’re still flying towards him and his missile trying to paint the target for AMRAAM mid-course guidance!" - Not true. Not only are you ignorant of basic procedures like using the full extent of your radar limits to continue a track without flying towards incoming missiles, you also forget that the F-35 can use another aircraft's radar to provide the AMRAAM mid course updates. And failing that, the missile will go pitbull. "You are not going to defeat a modern IR missile fired under 30Kms – it will kill you" - The F-35 also has IR missiles. What the actual hell are you talking about? "Active seeking is pointless/The US should have pursued Pheonix" - The hell? The Phoenix has an active seeker for terminal guidance. "AMRAAM is a joke - you are not going to get a kill with AMRAAM unless you are fighting novice jockeys flying planes from the 90s!" - Novice F-35 pilots wipe the floor with experienced F-15/F-16 pilots in exercises. "I mean, having to guide a missile within the kill zone of the enemy! What year is this again? " - Again, the hell are you talking about?
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  20766.  @LondonSteveLee  Escaping from missiles doesn't make sense. The SR-71 did it because it flew at extremely high speeds DURING operations. Going from a 0.82 Mach cruise to Mach 3 will take several minutes of acceleration. If you were relying on Mach 3 to escape the missile, the Mach 4 missile already hit you before you got past Mach 1.3. "modern systems can distinguish where radar emissions arrived to each sensor within a few nanoseconds – by triangulating that data it can calculate where it came from" - The problem isn't triangulating where something comes from. It's knowing it's there at all. The skies are constantly being beamed with energy from all directions and because there are limits to receiver antennas and processing power, it's more difficult for a RWR to notice there's an extra signal in the sky than it is for the emitter to hop frequencies in an encrypted pattern. "can shoot down a (not exactly stealthy) AWAC painting it from 200+ KMs away" - Okay. And how do you get within 200 km of an AWACS without a flight of F-35s meeting you? "The reality is F-35 cannot sneak up and deliver an AMRAAM outside the kill-zone of an IR missile without being detected" - It does it on the regular at Red Flag. "unless you fire at point black range most modern aircraft and pilots will escape an AMRAAM" - Not if they're unaware. And we know that in air combat most kills are scored against the unaware. "You’re now in the same airspace as cheaper conventional “proper” fighters" - They're not cheaper. "hinders both production volumes and availability" - With 700 F-35s delivered, there's almost as many F-35s as there are Eurofighters and Rafales combined. "the same reason F-22 is obsolete" - The F-35 is not built to the same standards as the F-22. Over a hundred Block II F-35s have been converted to Block III. The issue with the F-22 was recognized and addressed to make the F-35 more flexible.
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  20824.  @caroselloshow5615  "children were able to buy an assault rifle" - well, no. Children cannot buy any type of firearm and assault rifles are banned in the US. "where even a scheduled criminal was able to buy weapons and simply because there was no control and no regulation on it" - but there is control and regulation. When you purchase a weapon at the gun store you are forced to perform a background check and you are ran through several lists. If you are a criminal you get flagged and the gun cannot be sold. Sometimes people were technically on lists but were not put on the computerized system. Happened with a guy who was in the Air Force and got discharged but his discharge was never filed into the system. The regulation existed, but it wasn't enforced. "Because they are educated on how to use a gun and its safety issues." - the vast majority of gun homicide in the US happens from criminals killing each other. It's not a matter of education or safety because criminals get their guns illegally and accidental deaths are actually low in the US. Safety isn't the issue because a killer can understand gun safety and still gun down people because he wants to kill, he wants to be "unsafe". Japan is a different case altogether. They're pretty polite, respectful people and they have high degrees of social control. You could airdrop crates of weapons into Japan and people wouldn't start shooting each other. Even the most violent Yakuza gangs, which are perfectly willing to beat people up or cut fingers off, are restrained in the use of firearms because they see themselves as respectable businessmen who don't want unnecessary police attention. Yakuza gangs are involved in arms trafficking, but they rarely use them.
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  20825.  @caroselloshow5615  "clearly not for defense" - okay but why are they not for defense and why is that so clear? I want to understand your thought process. "the AR 15 that was specifically created for the military." - sure, but muskets were also made for the military, revolvers were also made for the military, shotguns were also made for the military (in fact their use in the trenches in WWI was so effective that the Germans petitioned to consider it a war crime). All kinds of weapons were made for the military and civilians used them too. "Im pretty sure that a semi automatic rifle like this is not used for defense" - but could you explain why? You are saying things as if they were obvious while trying to avoid an explanation. You do understand that there's a divide, right? In my mind, the AR-15 is the perfect self-defense weapon. But you think it has characteristics that make it different from other weapons and I want to know what you think about semi-automatic rifles. I mean, I am concerned that a mass murderer can get a van or a truck. I am concerned that a mass murderer could throw molotov cocktails into a crowded bar. I am concerned about pressure cooker bombs duct taped to propane tanks. But I can't live all my life concerned about what other people do with the dangerous tools we are allowed to own. 2 - So by being neutral I am confirming anything? If you want a confirmation, I am an anarchist for moral reasons and I don't vote. I don't trust politicians and I don't believe in imposing my will on other people through ballots. But that's beside the point. This isn't about me. And this isn't about who is the most hypocrite. My point is that everyone loves democracy when they win, and everything gets mad when they lose. A big percentage of the country and even anti-gun people believe a tyrant sits in office in the United States right now. This isn't about who is the biggest hypocrite here, but the fact that EVERYONE believes that a tyrant can be elected otherwise they wouldn't complain about losing. Of course, it should be logical that people would assume that maybe a popularity contest shouldn't determine who rules over them but people cling to the ideology because they hope they win next time. 3/4 - "own a gun" owning and buying are very different things. You can theoretically own a gun if for example your parents allow it to have it, aka it's under their possession. "The parkland shooter legally bought an assault rifle at 17" - false. He is 19 years old. "the orlando pulse shooter was listed in the fbi list" - the problem is that anyone can be put on those lists. There's a politician in the United States who always has trouble getting in on airplanes because someone put him on a list and it's difficult to be removed. Those lists do not obey due process, you can't remove people's rights without actually going to a court and by following the law proving that person is guilty. "especially if you buy them online" - if you buy guns online they are shipped to a gun store and you have to pass the background check there. Since the 1960's you can't get a gun shipped to you directly. 5 - I said gun homicide not gun deaths. But if you want to talk about suicide not only the US has similar suicide rates to other countries, but gun safety would not prevent suicides because the person using the gun doesn't intent to be safe in the first place. The argument that "other countries teach gun safety so their gun crime/homicide/suicide is lower" doesn't make much sense. "but pushing the police to do its job" - but that has lead to the War on Drugs, which is responsible for the street price of drugs to rise and make gangs more profitable. The police is already too powerful in the US and they've actually made the situation worse by escalating street violence. "Why nobody pro gun talk about gang violence" - we actually talk a lot about it. Without gang violence, the US would be extremely peaceful and proof that gun ownership does not cause crime. Criminals cause crime. "here are more guns than people in this country and at the same time the highest gun violence not only in the developed world but in the entire world" - false. Gun violence is worse in Mexico, Brazil, Honduras, El Salvador, etc. In fact, if you plot gun ownership and gun homicide rates by country, you will see that despite the number of guns the US isn't even at the top. "crime index in the usa is similar to most of developed countries" - compare with other metrics. The US has over 30 thousand gangs which means 9.8 gangs per 100,000 people. All of Europe has 0.674 gangs per 100,000 people. This means that despite crime indexes being the same, Europe mostly has individual criminals doing petty crime while the US has gangs in open warfare (which hit a pretty bloody height in 1994). The nature of crime isn't the same.
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  21020.  @Retarior  "Russian had actuaely some serious doubts about adopting 5,45" - But they did anyway. 7.62 is in limited service and only for barrier penetration. "Hit ratios, yeah right... only in perfect conditions though" - Perfect conditions is exactly what is necessary to use full rifle calibers. Known distance, known wind, known running speed, perfect posture, etc. In the field achieving hits with larger calibers is terribly difficult which is exactly why intermediate calibers became a thing. "larger caliber doesnt require you to land so many shots to a man hyped on adrenallin to take him down" - The vast majority of shots will not hit any targets at all in combat. 99.99% of shots fired are misses. Trying to save on shots that are statistically unlikely screws you over because of the thousands of rounds you'll need to send into the dirt for every kill. "Its predicted miraculous effects were never safely confirmed" - Except they have. "Its 50:50" - So they have been at least partially confirmed by your own admission, directly contradicting your statement before. Either way, the 50:50 nature of 5.56 comes from M855 and M855 alone. The inconsistent performance only has a weak bullet design to blame. If not for M855, you'd never hear about 5.56 complaints. "You just have to man up to learn how to handle new caliber" - This is not about manning up. This is about the amount of rounds carried into combat. This is about how fast aim can be readjusted in combat. While you brag about how much of a man you are, your enemy is outgunning you and able to put two rounds on target before you're even done recovering from the recoil. You can't fight physics. "Even the 5,45x39 has more juice" - What a joke. It's around 1,300 joule while 5.56 M855A1 carries around 1,800 joule. "more power behing heavier projectile too" - The heavier 5.45 AP round is 57gr. Both M855 and M855A1 are 62gr. Not to mention Mk 262 which is 77gr. 5.45 is both weaker and lighter. "The 6,8x46 Rem. Spc" - It was literally dropped by SOCOM because it was not performing well in Afghanistan. 6.8 SPC is dead. "or even better 6,5x39 Grendel" - Unsuitable for military use. Shoulder angle, less case taper than 7.62 and lack of internal volume to handle tracer rounds or steel cores automatically disqualify it from military service.
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  21021.  @Retarior  "You are full of it :-D , but, what ever makes you sleep better at night man :-)" - No argument. That's admission of defeat. "The 5,56x45 has been observed as to having insuffitcient effect on living mass, period" - Google "kenosha arm". Tell me that's insufficient effect on living mass. "It cant even properly down a Buck on many occasions" - Apples to trains, 5.56 is meant to be shot at thin-skinned two legged animals. Also, people have dropped bucks with 5.7 and .22LR. Seems like a "you" problem. "I really dont know in what world you live in" - In the real one. Where 5.56 has been studied to hell and back and nothing else is good enough to replace it with. "so everything that has been droped by the army is proof that its not doing well right? How naive :-D" - If you think people who kill people for a living and were testing a whole new caliber for themselves because they are allowed to just dropped 6.8 SPC for no reason you're the naive one. 6.8 SPC's military adoption is essentially limited to short range guard duty with light-for-caliber Speer Gold Dot hollow points. "I dont have such issues handling recoil" - Nobody cares. "[video of short range firing]" - Okay. Now show them taking shots at people running full sprint from 400 meters away. "According to your description, I should have been blind and unable to hit anything." - Strawman argument. More admissions of defeat. "Its really not that bigger difference as you are trying to imply, that is just hillarious." - Big enough difference that the Russian army figured out 5.45 hit rates were superior. "Then use .22Lr" - Again a strawman argument. 22LR has insufficient speed and mass. It doesn't have the flat trajectory of 5.56, it doesn't beat the wind like 62gr bullets and the bullet has no terminal effects if it has to punch through kevlar, sheet steel or auto glass. If you knew what you were talking about you wouldn't make this ridiculous argument. "The 5,45x39 is really more stable" - I don't even understand what you mean by stable. What stability are you referring to? Fleet yaw? "As if 5,56 had enough internal volume, you are shooting your own foot with that argument" - It fits steel core/penetrator rounds (M855/M855A1) and tracer rounds. So it has the internal volume. Grendel prioritizes accuracy over reliability and military bullets, switching lead for steel either means longer bullet which conflicts with internal capacity, or lighter bullet which means light-for-caliber ballistics. That's shooting your own foot. Take a cartridge that was designed for one thing and then make it worse. "weight" - heavier than 5.45, which you claim to be superior. "TKO index" - TKO index is a joke. By the TKO index, if you touch the ice in a glacier you die instantly. It's very slow, but the sheer mass will impact you with a huge TKO factor. "The 5,56x45 is a crap round" - Repeating things doesn't make you right.
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  21022.  @Retarior  1. An arm that nearly got ripped off by 5.56. Yes, I've seen other injuries. Heads split open like melons. X-ray of a femur obliterated by 5.56. Gunshots are ugly. First you say 5.56 doesn't do anything to meat. Now you say it's ugly but anything is ugly. You've conceded the point. 2. Then what is the point? Again, you are wrong. The elongation of the 222 cartridge was performed for MILITARY trials. It was made for people, not critters. When Stoner and others managed to make their 222 cartridge penetrate HELMETS (not many foxes wear helmets in the wild) there were overpressure concerns and Remington solved them. They renamed their 222 Special cartridge 223 Remington because there were other 222 cartridges competing in the MILITARY trials. 3. "Russian army never officialy dropped the usage of 7,62x39" - But in practice, they are a 5.45 force. So who cares about what's official? "You know that the 5,45 has more chubby casing right?" - The bullet is lighter and comes out the barrel slower. "Yet the fact that it travells with a slightly slover speed makes it more steady ;-)" - Provide source. "creates less counter-force during flight" - The bullet is also lighter which means it has less inertia against the drag. "why they are abandoning them now, that armour has advanced so much within last 20 years" - Countering armor is a silly proposal. If you counter armor, enemy stops wearing it. Now you're the one carrying heavier weapons, heavier ammo and heavier armor while your enemy runs circles around you without tiring. Russia is developing armor, but not fielding calibers to defeat it. It's a trap. Just like Reagan's Star Wars. 4. I didn't avoid anything. Stop lying. You're showing short range engagements where you can fire as fast as you want and still be accurate. But in real life it's miss, miss, miss, miss, miss, miss and finally hit. Then your opponent trips and falls. Then hit, hit, hit to make sure you're not hitting armor plates. And to do that, the lighter the recoil the easier it will be. If the same SA58 was chambered in 5.56, it would recoil even less which means doing the same firing drills with the same accuracy, but at a longer range. Firing a 7.62 at a distance you could kill someone with a thrown spear doesn't prove anything. That's why in Russian and even American trials, 7.62 is almost equal to 5.45 in hit probability up close, but 5.45 vastly increases hit probability from 300m and beyond. 5. Provide an actual argument. You're saying a lot of things and none of them address what's been said. Grendel has less case taper than 7.62 NATO which is a problem for reliability, and so is the shoulder angle. Right there you can see, it was a cartridge designed for civilian paper shooters. The usage of military ammo requires being able to use steel (even the future 6.8 projectile will use EPR construction, like M80A1 and M855A1) and steel is not as dense as lead, which means longer bullet. Tracer rounds have the burning compound at the rear, which is less dense than steel even and thus makes the bullet even longer. This robs case capacity that doesn't allow the use of the most ballistically efficient bullets in Grendel. 6. At 300 meters 7.62x39 is doing 1600-1500 fps depending on ammo while 5.56 is still above 2000 fps. "That destabilizes the bullet during the flight" - Wrong. In fact 5.56 is stable from 300m onwards (https://apps.dtic.mil/dtic/tr/fulltext/u2/a530895.pdf page number 42 of the report, page 54 on pdf reader) and only starts to destabilize at 600m. "I never had much issues to just slide sights a bit higher" - This is ridiculous. You don't get to "slide" sights when you need to take a snap shot at a target that thinks "I'm up, they see me, I'm down". He'll be in cover and safe by the time you set the sights. Not to mention it would require accurate distance judgement every time. Flatter trajectories increase hit rates. Nobody cares who you are or what you did. You're just one person. You only think of yourself. But you need to think about the people next to you. 7. They're not "prototypes". They're fully developed. They had their chance, they blew it.
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  21025.  @Retarior  a) I have proven you wrong with numbers alone. b) you said 5.56 had lighter bullets than 5.45, now you're pretending you didn't say it. 1. And how many of those records are from people missing their shot? Plenty of people also think .30 Carbine can't penetrate a coat because they fired in a panic. 2. There's no mass manufactured bullets with those effects, which means they might as well not exist, and their construction makes them worse for military use. 3. This has been proven before you were even born. Your "proof"? VHS quality video of people blasting targets at spitting range. 4. I never claimed it was flawless. Another strawman, another admission of defeat. 5. Not an argument. "armies are not doing arget shooting." - Target shooting is where big calibers win. Known distance, perfect posture, wind vanes, pearl white spray painted targets. "but from 100m onwards it sucks" - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PeNR4YDbwR0 M855A1 at reduced velocity equivalent to 215 meters "You do relaize, that you still cary only certain number of spare magazines and not more right?" - And you carry less magazines with 7.62 NATO. For example to carry 7.62 NATO you need 9 magazines of 20 rounds to carry the same number that 6 magazines of 30 do. "The only thing it affects is the weight of those magazines." - False. Cartridge weight for 7.62 NATO is 392 gr, while 5.56 is 190gr. "And nobody spoke about the need to shoot more rounds." - Again, armies will shoot 20 to 50 THOUSAND rounds per casualty they inflict. You ALWAYS need to shoot more rounds. "Easy, when 7,62 you need just 1 hit in place where you need 2-3 from 5,56... so? Whats the point?" - No. You will need to fire several hundred, if not thousands, of rounds before you hit a man in combat. If war was one shot one kill, there would be no veterans because everyone would die. The vast majority of rounds goes into the dirt. While you pray for a one hit, there's 5.56 flying over your head. Let's see you aim a careful shot with a 5.56 flying at you. "when you usuaely hit anyone with 7,62 the energy transfer is significantly higher" - If you use civilian expanding bullets. 7.62x39 is known for being awful at energy transfer. In the 1989 Stockton shooting 35 people were wounded by 124gr 7.62x39, and 30 survived. https://apps.dtic.mil/dtic/tr/fulltext/u2/a233190.pdf Medical analysis of 7.62x39 non-expanding bullets shows it makes handgun-like wounds. "5,56 caliber has been surpased at close range by 4,6x30 or 5,7 calibers" - Absolutely false. 5.7 is anemic compared to rifle rounds. "in this short reportage from 2007" - Instead of a short report, here's 15 minutes of Chuck Pressburg, former Ranger and Delta: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Sh1gNW4yeI "Im able to down a wild boar in a run over 100kg of weight with army surplus 7,62x39" - Exactly. How many 100kg humans are running around in combat? Boars have thick hides and are better suited to deep penetrating rounds. That deep penetrating round does handgun damage to humans. "I really dont have to use specialized hunting round... and when I do" - The military can't do that. You're resorting to civilian arguments to talk about combat.
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  21503.  @user-DrJoe-Future  The second Iraq war was peculiar because Saddam's defensive strategy was meant to avoid the pitfalls of the first Gulf War. Which was a mistake in its own way, but shows that it wasn't a repeat of the 1991 Desert Storm campaign where air defenses had to be softened for several weeks before A-10s could fly. The effectiveness of the A-10 was cut short in 1991. It was effective against Iraq Army units, but the Republican Guard seemed more willing to stand and shoot back at the A-10s which caused the USAF to avoid flying A-10s against them. It wouldn't survive Ukraine because the density of MANPADS, drone surveillance, SHORAD like the Pantsir, etc make things a lot more complicated. We know how the Su-25s are unable to do their job properly due to the abundance of threats. The A-10 was designed for Vietnam. The main threat consideration was manually aimed 14.5mm AA and occasional 23mm AA threats. It doesn't have SAM avoidance capabilities, it has a tail geometry that hides the engine exhaust from first gen MANPADS. A telephone-pole SAM would spear the A-10. It was an A-1 Skyraider replacement. Compared to today, that's permissible. Even the Afghans tried to bait AC-130s into flying near mountains so that they could use 14.5mm from mountain tops, but failed. An A-10 killed its pilot while returning from a mission in the first Gulf War, because the false sense of security of the flying tank lead to the pilot trying to crash land it rather than eject and just ditch the damaged airframe. The landing attempt took his life. The F-16 in Desert Storm had 3 losses over 12,000 sorties. The A-10 had 6 losses over 8,000 sorties, and had to be pulled back to prevent more. Taking ground is irrelevant, A-10s can't take ground either.
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  21506.  @user-DrJoe-Future  They didn't design the YA-10 five minutes before it flew, did they? The work was being done for years. The A-10 had an overestimation of kills as observers jotted down "A-10" when they couldn't confirm the cause, and the F-111 destroyed even more tanks. The DU ammo was actually retired and scheduled for disposal, but temporarily brought back to fight ISIS. The DU 30mm is "politically incorrect" to use. It doesn't destroy "known tanks". The 1979 test made it clear that most 30mm rounds can't penetrate tanks reliably, only bust tracks and optics to deliver a mission kill. And that was against M47 tanks. "But the tank may not just sit there while you are plinking 20mm rounds into it" - Funny because the 1979 test was exactly that - an A-10 plinking at stationary tanks. "It is risky with a 20mm" - It is risky with the A-10. Strafing runs are ALWAYS risky. "The USAF wants to get rid of the A10 to use that money" - It's not just a matter of wanting, it has to be. It's too old and lacking parts. The USAF would probably PAY that money to retire it. "Historically, the Air Force has not been enthusiastic supporting the CAS mission." - They've done almost nobody but CAS for 20 years. "Thus the A10 is the first system to go." - Because it's the one 30 years overdue for retirement and also the one that had it's job done by other aircraft for decades. "The F16 and F22 will go later into retirement to fund the F-35 and other weapons. " - WRONG. The F-22 was the F-15 replacement but people like you killed it. The F-22 and F-15 programs will be retired and replaced by the NGAD, not the F-35. You're so wrong it's not even funny. "SOCOM purchased its own CAS plane knowing the Air Force was fighting to retire the A10." - WRONG. They purchased a turboprop because it's cheap and agile. The USAF had also assisted SOCOM by bringing back Broncos for CAS but they had to be retired again due to age. It had nothing to do with the A-10 but the fact that cheap COIN aircraft are perfect to support special operations in nations with poor infrastructure. So again, you're so wrong it's stunning. "It is called the AT-802U Sky Warden planes, built by L3 Harris Technologies and Air Tractor. It is a prop plane that looks like a crop duster that they will use for close air support or "overwatch."" - They also purchased Super Tucanos and AT-6Bs prior to that. It was the Light Attack Program.
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  21618.  @northroad1  Andrew Krepinevich’s 1986 book “The Army and Vietnam” explains the internal conflict between the regular Army and the airmobile supremacists better than I could. Additionally, in 1966 the USAF Chief of Staff directed a study on CAS and found out that Army troops were satisfied with USAF CAS, but they were being excluded from the CAS role by the Army brass. Quote: "Meanwhile, U.S. Army advisors were working to develop ARVN airborne helicopter assault tactics, using equipment of two U.S. Army companies which had arrived in Vietnam in late 1961. Almost at once a problem arose over fixed wing/air-ground coordination. According to directives issued by the newly organized U.S. Military Assistance Command, Vietnam (USMACV), all helicopter operations into areas where enemy opposition was expected were required to have fixed-wing tactical air cover. U.S. Army corps advisors who controlled helicopter usage, however, tended to ignore the requirement. In April 1962, during a visit to South Vietnam, General LeMay learned that Army advisors were not calling for fixed-wing air support, that only about 10 percent of ARVN heliborne operations were accompanied by VNAF aircraft, and that the Air Support Operations center at Ton Son Nhut frequently were not informed of such operations. Concerned about this situation, LeMay subsequently obtained permission to assign air liaison officers (ALO’s) to all ARVN corps and division headquarters and USAF forward air controllers to augment VNAF liaison squadrons…," “The United States Air Force in Southeast Asia 1961-1973” (Office of Air Force History, 1977)
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  21763.  @hughgrection3052  Why is that gun worth 3k? Because the cartels got them all for 300-500 or even free.99 by swiping it off a police armory. 3k is the price thanks to scarcity. Cartels created the scarcity by controlling the flow of the illicit trade. They ditched the gun because they were scared? Now they pay it off, plus interest. That's how you make money. Murder weapons aren't always ditched after use. That's why ballistic fingerprinting is often used to piece together who's doing hits as the same murder gun gets repeated use over the years. A "hitman worth is salt" is just some guy who's given up on morals for money. Again, they're not specially trained ninjas like in the movies. They're just some guy who went down the wrong path in life and now they do bad stuff for a living. The simple rules are: cartels have cornered the market, so you come to them if you're in need of a piece. They don't sell you the whole cow, they sell you the milk. What's wrong with a warehouse? There's cartel videos of them rolling up to warehouses and merc'ing everyone inside. I don't know the context of those videos, but clearly illicit things happen in those warehouses. You can store drugs in warehouses. You can store stolen cars in warehouses and keep them there to strip the parts and move them out inconspicuously. Why is a warehouse a movie thing? The cartels don't rent for themselves, they rent OUT to others. They OWN the guns. Just like the Yakuza. The Yakuza don't let you own or carry a gun when you work for them, they like to stay in control and not give their street thugs guns because it only makes things messy. You didn't understand what he was saying. They don't go to the warehouse. THEY OWN THE WAREHOUSE. They have the guns, and rent out to those who need it. Cartels don't care if the hitmen are busted, because they easily traffic guns. Oh, they're going to squeal? Do you know what happens to people who squeal? Either way, who cares? If anyone squeals, someone in the police will just tip them off and the warehouse will be empty next morning. Everyone's on the take. Mexican police driving right up and busting the warehouse? Do you remember when El Chapo's son was raided by the Mexican Marines and the cartels surrounded the entire town? They had to release Ovidio because the cartels had the Marines overwhelmed. What cover story do I need? Either one of the cops warns me and we hide the stuff, or they will not even bother showing up because they know that if they arrest me, the entire town will be surrounded by cars with welded steel plates and .50 cal M2s in the back. Local cops don't want none of that smoke.
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  21965.  @scottgreeff7043  "when told of the solutions" - There's no "solutions", or at least implementable ones. The only thing people are told of are the pie in the sky goals. Not the actual practical consequences. "they been lead to believe that anything that improves their lives is socialism" - One could easily state the same about your opinions. You want to take a sledgehammer and rework how the entire system works to bruteforce your solutions and think you're not coming off as the aggressor. The road to hell is paved with good intentions. Saying it's going to improve someone's life doesn't mean it will. "socialism is the same as communism and is bad" - What an odd take. From the perspective of the average person there's no difference between socialism or communism, the only difference is the existence or absence of the state. If I don't like communism, I sure as hell will not like socialism. Because that's actually enforced by the state, while under communism I could do whatever I wanted. "when the comparisons between america and europe are made they are pointing out the flaws" - Yes, but you conveniently do not address the opposing viewpoint. Have you considered that the flaws are made up in other ways? Such as 1:48 where consumption and indirect tax make up a large percentage of pretax income for people on the lower tax brackets. You want to give an earful to Americans about the flaws in their system, but you're not willing to show how they'll foot the bill for the alternative.
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  21966.  @scottgreeff7043  Proven fact? You've never tried. You can't prove something without running the experiment. You have no way to prove that you can achieve the better healthcare and standards of living. "that is the viewpoint of americans as they have been brainwashed by right wing propaganda and completely wrong understanding on what those two things are" - No. This isn't propaganda, this is the literal definition. "you try try claim the higher tax is a flaw" - It is. If you're simply paying through other means, all you've done was shift money from column A to column B. "most that have the actual experience of living under that system will tell you that the tax is well worth it as the benefits far exceed the cost of the tax." - But they don't. The cost of the tax is precisely what the benefits cost. There's no infinite money trick. Your argument is inherently nonsensical. How can you claim that Europeans have the better house? Government has shitty negotiation ability. This happened in my country. The government got absolutely reamed by Big Pharma because they threatened not to pay as leverage. Well, if you don't pay, you don't give people the treatment. So the people protested. The government was forced to come crawling back to the negotiation table. Who had the leverage then? Insulin in the US is controlled by government legislation, which artificially keeps it high. Billionaires bribe the government in Europe too. Every year someone is investigated for it. Comparison to slavery is a fallacy. Stick to the argument. Now who's using the right wing propaganda definition of socialism? You.
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  22035.  @vlogfriendsutopia  "unexpanded projectiles crush a path the size of the base of the projectile" - Then almost an inch of diameter of area generating a crush cavity should make holes that let you see daylight through the torso, and chest seals should be worthless at saving people considering the volume in that cavity. I've only seen daylight from gunshot wounds in hands and feet. Unexpanded projectiles are known for "icepick" wounds smaller than the caliber. "Deer and human are actually much more similar than you think; deer and humans are actually in the same class of animal in terms of hunting" - And yet bullets meant for hunting and tactical applications are different. Curious. "deer die faster from a full pass through, thus requiring the deeper penetration that you see" - This directly contradicts your assertion. Self-defense handgun ammunition and tactical loads for rifle ammunition are also meant for torso passthroughs - but shallower penetration than deer. Are you saying that deer and humans are not similar? Curious. "I actually have carried Wadcutters before" - That's great. Almost nobody does it. "actually proves the point that projectile size does make a difference" - Cool of you to ignore that I clarified that a .30 Super Carry, if it performs like it does on paper, is a .32 projectile that should perform almost on par with 9mm despite the projectile diameter difference. .32 ACP, despite being of the same diameter as .30 Super Carry, simply performs worse because nowadays we expect to have to shoot into people who are larger, more muscular, and ingest more stimulants such as sugar and caffeine. This means having to potentially shoot through the heart or even into the spine to stop someone. "all handgun rounds do NOT perform the same" - There's a difference between "performing the same" and advertising 50% improvements.
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  22374.  RC213V  Well, for that comparison we have the Tornado, which was given suicidal missions compared to the A-10, and suffered similar losses - with some going as far as claiming the Tornado did poorly even though it flew extremely dangerous missions at low level in the first days of the conflict. It's honestly amazing. The A-10 was spared from the hardest missions after getting a bruised eye and sent to turkey shoots against undertrained troops, gets a hero's welcome. The most effective aircraft against insurgencies are dedicated COIN aircraft. Turboprop ones, even. The F-35 can go supersonic. The recent hubhub only affects B and C variants flying supersonic at high altitude. B and C variants have a limit on how long they can maintain supersonic flight at certain altitudes. To my knowledge the A variant isn't limited. The F-35 can carry external stores, I don't know what kind of showdown you're expecting but multiple F-35s in the air all capable of shooting 4 missiles each makes for a formidable anti-air force. The A variant can fit 3 AMRAAMs in each bay for a total of 6. The F-35 can fly in the rain. You're confusing an initial restriction from flying under thunderstorms because the F-35 had not yet been fitted with an on board inert gas generator. After it had been fitted and passed environmental testing, the restriction was lifted for 5 years until an issue with the onboard gas generator was found. This only affects the A variant and the restriction will be lifted once the issue with the gas generator is resolved. Can't turn? Check out the air show footage. The F-35 is not an air superiority fighter nor an interceptor. It's the F-16 to the F-15. The F-15C maintains its role as the interceptor since not enough F-22s were produced to replace it. This is a critical concept to understand and you're accusing the F-35 of being unable to fill shoes it was never meant to wear. "critical air-frame issues" - that's rich considering that A-10s, except the ones delivered 1983-1984, also had structural issues. "the supersonic limitation problems (they have just accepted it)" - It will be fixed, but it's going to be resolved with another change in coating. No point in having it pinned in the job board, doesn't mean it's not going to get resolved.
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  22376.  RC213V  Like I said, the government doesn't see fit to spend the money developing a new coating. It will be applied if a new thing comes up. The F-35 coating has already received upgrades. "So 2 of the 3 variants cant go supersonic" - This is borderline lying. They have limits on HOW LONG they can go supersonic AT HIGH ALTITUDE. I don't care if you're sleepy, or you've been drinking, or you're distracted with something else. If you keep carefully stepping around words to create a narrative that is false, I have no option but to start assuming you are a liar. Do you want to be a liar? Or are you going to start paying attention? "Whys the F22 the most maneuverable, and the best dog fighter and air superiority fighter we have" - Because it's the F-15 replacement, and the F-15 was designed for pure air superiority. "When german civilian radar makers can track the F35 across europe" - You do realize that in peacetime stealth aircraft wear radar reflectors to make themselves visible to air traffic controllers and also to prevent enemies from analyzing their true RCS, right? Why give up the goods to anyone who's watching? Also, if the radar isn't enough for a firing solution, all it can do is watch as the F-35 moves around your territory with impunity and bombs all your defenses to hell. Knowing that the F-35 is in the air doesn't do anything. Unless you can shoot weapons at it, all you can do is watch a screen while your comrades die. "The fact that USAF we are upgrading F15s, to the F15x for dogfights and air superiority to plug that gaping F35 hole" - The F-22 was the F-15 replacement. The F-35 is a multirole and thus replaces the F-16s job. But because people like you claimed the F-22 was useless and too expensive, the F-22 project was canceled. Now F-15s have to fill the F-22 hole. Careful. Again I will ask you to speak the truth or else I'll have to accuse you of something I don't to accuse you off. I'm treating you with respect. If you can't respect me enough to avoid using falsehoods, I'll have no option. "the huge cost overruns and flaws make the F-35 look increasingly like the world's most expensive lemon." - The F-35 is literaly cheaper than the F-16. Look at F-16 purchase contracts. The cost of a single aircraft plus all the pods that actually give it worthwhile capabilities is over 100 million. The F-22, if production was restarted, would cost 220 million. "you have now sunk to claiming all the warthog kills were not the most elite units, as if that matters!" - It matters that the Iraqi Republican Guard tore into the A-10 so hard that the air force had to keep them safe and baby it by giving them the regular army units which were much less capable. Sorry. If a plane can't be used against a trained force that proves something's wrong with it, and that does matter. "they got 900 tanks" - Most of them by Maverick missile, which multiroles can carry. And the F-111 got 1500. "If you think the loss of 7 aircraft, and 20 damaged(A10 is made to absorb it)" - I don't think you get the picture. There were many more damaged A-10s, the list is of coalition losses. Many more A-10s received damage without loss of the plane. The fact is that the A-10 had its losses limited by handling it with kid gloves. Had it been forced to go in for real for the total of the war there would have been more. Also, you're really missing the big issue. The Air Force made its decision after losing two in one day and having 14 receiving damage repairs on the ramp. If you're losing planes, and the ones that come back are sitting getting repaired at one point the fleet will not be mission capable.
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  22377.  RC213V  All your links claim the issue only exists at extremely high altitudes. And like described, the Pentagon isn't paying for the fix but as soon as a new coating is developed it will be applied. The F-35 already changed coating twice, and it's coating was an improvement over the F-22's in the first place. "As i agree with the USAF that the A10s be kept for the foreseeable future." - And by extension you agree with the USAF not giving them CAS missions, instead issuing them to mudhens and vipers. Fair deal. The boomers with nostalgia goggles are placated, and the USAF pours millions into keeping A-10s in service for no reason other than keeping oldheads happy. "yes 80% of tank kills used maverick(never said they were not)" - But the important aspect is that other aircraft can fire Mavericks so the tank killing potential of the A-10 came from something that wasn't exclusive to the airframe. "But the 2000 other vehicles, and 1200 artillery pieces were mostly gun" - Wouldn't take a 30mm GAU-8 to destroy those. Hey, the first night of Desert Storm low flying Apaches wrecked all sorts of shit by firing the cannon at everything that was around the radar dishes they popped with missiles. So there's nothing exclusive to the A-10. "in the 6 day war when israel destroyed egypts air force on the ground, people did not say, it wasn't a huge feat or was a big part of winning the war, and didn't drastically change the strategic situation in the mid east, because they were easy kills, of planes on the ground, who thinks like that" - I don't even know where you're trying to go with this. If Israel got wrecked by a trained force, it would shatter some kind of ideal about them being a big military power. If you try to start a bar fight, and someone who knows boxing knocks you out, everyone will think you're a joke if you wake up and start beating a smaller guy who isn't trained. "I don't think the F22 is too expensive, or a waste of money" - You would have if you were born a generation earlier. And if you were born two generations earlier, you'd think the F-16 was a waste too, full of failures, a lawn dart, etc. Or the Harrier. "The F22 handles the best because it replaced the F15?" - Are you mocking me? The F-22 was designed to meet the parameters of the F-15. The F-35 wasn't. It was designed for other use cases and roles. So it doesn't perform like the F-22. Just like the F-16 doesn't perform like the F-15. "They are not going to replace the stealth coating at this time, lmao" - Aircraft go under maintenance all the time. As soon as a new coating is tested and approved, F-35s in need of refurbishing will get it rebaked into their skin instead of the old one. "The plane overflying europe did not have stealth coating?" - Are you mocking me? UNLESS CLASSIFIED AS SECRET, FLYING STEALTH AIRCRAFT IS DANGEROUS BECAUSE THEY WON'T BE SEEN BY AIR TRAFFIC CONTROLLERS AND POTENTIALLY CAUSE DISASTERS. STEALTH AIRCRAFT WEAR RE-FLE-CTORS TO MAKE IT SAFE AND ALSO TO PRESERVE SECRECY OF THEIR TRUE RCS. I never said they had no stealth coating, you smartass. http://www.f-16.net/forum/download/file.php?id=17770&mode=view http://www.f-16.net/forum/download/file.php?id=10657&sid=411af222e10c18d60ec144671bf7660a&mode=view here's a picture of a F-22 wearing a radar reflector. "Your telling me the Russian S400 in syria does not pick them up all the time, with its range and complexity, but a german civilian radar does?" - Because the F-35 will not wear the radar reflector in a combat mission. I'm starting to think you have trouble reading. Also, the radar vendor is trying to sell its radar. You believe their claims? "When in 2018 the syrians claim to have downed an IAF F35 with a S200" - This didn't happen. Like the second F-117 or the B-2 that was supposedly shot down by Serbians. It's all lies. The damaged F-35 happened two weeks before and it landed, and there's no source for the bird strike happening at 30k feet high. "Of course the F16 is cheaper per unit. Ones 4th generation, the other is 5th gen." - Composite, titanium, aluminum and steel do not care what 4th or 5th gen is. They cost the same. You're paying highly specialized technicians to operate high tech factories, to forge aircraft-grade metal alloys, to lay carbon fiber weave in vacuum bags and stick them in big ovens. If you want a F-16, you're paying for an aircraft. Aircraft cost a lot to make. But if you want the F-16 to actually be useful, you'll be paying 30-40 million dollars for targeting pods and other avionics. The F-35 comes with this already in the plane. "Its a 1970s design with old technology" - Do you want a 1970s F-16? Can't fly at night, can't fire radar guided weapons, can't fire air to ground missiles, etc. "How do 180 or so F22s,replace close to 500 F15s." - People like you said it was expensive and useless so they canceled the project.
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  22580.  @WPSent  It sounds cool in concept, but you go tell the USAF that money they spent out of their budget is going to go to the Navy or vice-versa. The point is reducing costs and logistical issues, not mixing and matching parts from different services. I cannot find a single shred of evidence to back the notion that the JSF had a program requirement for parts to be traded among services. Guess what, you're not sending USAF carbine parts to the Army or Marines even though they share the M16/M4 design on their weapons. They have separate inventories. Yes, you are saving massive amounts of money. Like I said you don't have to pay three different companies to maintain three different production lines who have their own business expenses. "Justify what exactly?" - You're making claims that you seemingly want to pretend are just a given. I want you to explain those claims. "As for the F-18 v F-35, taking a closer look" - That's not a closer look. Was Mach 1.8 measured clean or with weapons and bags? That's what I asked. You have to limit the aircraft to the performance it can achieve in a real mission, not at an air show. "this is a whole lot of money spent on a Generation 5 "meh" plane" - It's an amazing plane. It's a dream in air to ground and it wipes the floor with 4th gen aircraft. You say it's meh, while everyone who's ever flown it and spoken publicly about it describes it as a game-changer. "versus just either spending some of that on a plane we've already done the work on" - We haven't done the work on it. Its development was stalled because not enough F-22s were made to replace the F-15 so it made no sense to. We'd have to do all the work that was put on the JSF program into the F-22.
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  22621.  @gort8203  Exactly. Someone confronted you and you complain. You should be complaining about your stubbornness and your lack of knowledge on the topics you INSIST on pretending to be an expert on. Not about the people calling you out on your BS. Calling out BS is healthy. It keeps people in check. Apparently you don't enjoy being checked. Sure, I don't get to decide how it works. Over 2000 years of theory of logic and rhetoric do. And it's the claimant that shares the burden of the evidence. Don't point the finger at me. Go tell the courts you should have the right to accuse anyone of anything and not have to provide evidence. They get to decide how it works. Point the finger at them. "A bigger weapons bay and fuel tank may improve payload and range but does not make the airframe more efficient" - Prove that the airframe is not efficient. "is based on the airplane structure being larger and heavier than than it would needed if not for the VTOL gear" - FALSE. The VTOL fan does not make the structure larger. In fact the X-35 prototype was smaller and capable of STOVL. The structure is a result of avionics and weapons capacity. If you remove the B variant from the F-35 line up, you cannot reduce the sizes of the A or C variant without suffering from the loss of capacity in the weapons bay, and obviously range reduction due to lower fuel capacity. Therefore, the lift fan does not create a size disadvantage, because the F-35 cannot be made smaller even if the B variant was eliminated. The structure is not heavier as evidenced by the fact that the A model had weight reduction. The C variant requires structural strength due to the demands of carrier operations. "It's an intuitively rational notion that I can accept" - But if you are rational and accept that reducing the size of the F-35A or C would cripple it, you cannot claim that the B variant is responsible. It's cause and effect. "it's not my job to prove it to you" - It is if you make claims about it. "You can prove it's not true if you possess real documented evidence" - Not really because it's proving a negative. There's no documented evidence of a smaller F-35A because such aircraft was never developed. There was a smaller JSF. The X-35. Which had the B variant STOVL capabilities. The size was augmented to increase its combat capabilities. Either way, I can point to the logical train of thought that absolves the B variant from wrongdoing, but asking for documented evidence that CANNOT exist, and even if it did, COULD NOT be published due to secrecy, to prove a negative is a massive faux pas. Those who make the claim have to prove it. Otherwise I can claim the universe's largest planet is made of pudding and not prove it. It's you who has to analyze every single planet.
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  22625.  @gort8203  "if you didn't need the space and structure for the VTOL equipment the airplane could have been smaller/lighter/more slippery" - Again, making it smaller reduces range and weapons capacity. "I have read more than once" - Okay, and who wrote it? Because there's plenty of hack frauds who made a career out of complaining about the F-35. "Imagine a version of the Harrier with the rotatable nozzles and other equipment necessary for VTOL stripped out of it [...] it would still be a slower and less efficient airplane" - I mean, it would have performance in line with what other attack aircraft had. It wasn't a multirole fighter in USMC/RAF service, essentially only the Sea Harrier was expected to perform air to air fleet defense and their main strength was being so far away from enemy air bases that even supersonic fighters could not light their afterburner otherwise they'd have no fuel left to make the trip back. So they had an advantage even against technically higher performance aircraft by playing on home turf. Either way, the Harrier was designed much earlier than the F-35 and you don't see the issues with the STOVL design. Frankly, the Harrier flies like a Cold War attacker. The F-35B flies like a fighter. "it could have been an even better airplane" - But how? Making it "better" according to 1960s metrics by kneecapping range and weapons capacity is not my idea of a good trade off. "and available in greater numbers" - The reason the F-35 went over 600 units delivered is precisely thanks to the STOVL variant. It gives allied countries with shorter carriers 5th gen capability. By giving up the B variant, the product would not have been such a success.
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  22859.  @justinshin2279  "I am engaging in risky behaviors" - Not taking a shot is not risky. Look up the long term survival rates for myocarditis. "If it means requiring either vaccination or more frequent testing, I am okay with it."/" If it means forcing everyone to get vaccinated against their will, I oppose it strongly" - The hell is this wishy-washy bs? You're okay with "requiring" it but not people being forcibly jabbed? What's the difference? The former is insidiously evil, the latter is cartoonishly evil. At least being cartoonishly evil will set off the alarms and get people to start fighting, when it's insidious people at the top can treat you like cattle with a smile, the police will say "hey I'm just doing my job", and if you do anything about it you'll be called crazy. "I can tell you that businesses are not generally enforcing the mandate" - But saying the law doesn't matter because everyone is ignoring it is not enough. The actual text of the law needs to be erased and the people responsible for it need to face consequences for governmental overreach. "It's performative" - Don't care. Punitive action is necessary for even trying. Treating overreach with kid gloves because it resulted in "lol jk!" just opens the door for real overreach that won't be fought because people are already pacified by all the times it didn't amount to anything and there was no need to fight back. "when there is a public safety concern" - There's always a public safety concern. "many gun ranges go out of their way to do more than the standard check" - The hell does that mean? The gun store either performs the NICS check or the state-specific variant they're mandated to perform by state legislature. There's no way to do "more" than the standard, and the standard is all there is. With a few states having standards different from the federal one. "But the range could be liable if it was determined they did not take obvious steps to ensure dangerous people did not fire weapons at the range." - I don't know why I have to explain this, but comparing high velocity metal to a bug most people don't know they have it unless tested is simply not sane.
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  22860.  @justinshin2279  1. Meanwhile in the real world, cardiac complications nearly doubled in Israel compared to the 2019-2020 average, due to a mass campaign that was not worth the trouble because it affected people who were not likely to get complications from the disease. 2. You're being wishy-washy, not pragmatic. There is no nuance in using unchecked corporate power to sidestep the issue of unchecked government power. Privatizing the means of control is not pragmatism. It's a fundamentally anti-human stance and you need to own up to it. 3. I am entitled to say that the people responsible for restrictive regulations need to suffer punitive action. If I screw up on my job, I can get fired. I care about what's happening in the real world - real politicians are using real political power irresponsibly and you're saying it's not really happening because people this time have chosen not to comply. Even though at least 60% are complying, but that's just a tiny little detail. Do you have a single argument that isn't running interference for these people? 4. That's whataboutism. For twenty years I've spoken against a multitude of issues and you don't get to shame me just because you're Johnny come lately and didn't see me do it. Meanwhile, you have a paradigm shift that's going to affect regular people even more than the War on Terror did, and your concern is "dude weed lmao". We already congratulated drugs for winning the war on drugs. You say things aren't an issue if people don't comply, seems to me drug laws are something people have no issue with non-compliance so I don't need to press that further. This is going to affect even more people than the war on drugs, essentially unpersoning them without trial or conviction. If you thought plea deals were rough, that is worse. 5. Florida is a partial point of contact state where FDLE is responsible for the check even though they use the FBI NICS system. From what I understand other states can place a NICS flag on you, and FDLE cannot do anything about it so there's non-prohibited persons failing checks in Florida. Your acquaintance may need to check the conditions for his discharge, what state it happened in, etc to get it cleared out.
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  22888.  @Leif1963  the A-10 is a dicey situation because it's largely a meme, and I don't mean in the sense of funny internet pictures but the original meaning of meme - the idea equivalent of a gene that can propagate itself and become shared culture. During Vietnam the best damn CAS aircraft was the A-7, is could drop payload accurately and since it could move fast, it was less vulnerable to SAMs and AAA. However, the Army was very unhappy with the situation because they wanted the USAF to provide cover for helicopters, which were extremely vulnerable. In need of funding, the USAF accepted the program to adopt a new CAS aircraft that could fly slow enough to cover for helicopters and they started to evaluate the YA-9 and YA-10. When the YA-10 flew against the A-7, not only was the YA-10 not carrying the gun which gave it extra performance but the USAF also told A-7 pilots not to use the bombing computer so they could sandbag the results. The A-7 was clearly the better platform but the USAF accepted defeat and adopted the airplane the Army wanted. Even though it betrayed the speed is life mantra. The A-10 is known for the titanium bathtub, the engines being spaced apart so that if one is hit by a shoulder launched IR missile the other survives, etc. But the fact is that in 1991 the USAF found the number of A-10 losses and battle damaged airframes unacceptable and pulled it from missions against the Iraqi National Guard, only using them against the less capable Iraq army forces. Even in interviews of the time you can hear pilots say that the AGM-65 Maverick was an instant kill shot on tanks but the gun wasn't, and after a gun run they needed to look back and wait to see if the tank started burning or not. I'm writing a freaking essay over here. My point is that a lot of the civilian enthusiasts completely misunderstand CAS. Close Air Support doesn't mean going low and slow. It only means the ordnance will be dropped close to friendlies. People have ragged on more modern aircraft because you need to go low and slow to see the targets but the fact is that one dude who's multitasking to keep the plane flying still needs to have controllers on the ground. Even low and slow you don't see the battlefield clearly, and when the ground controllers aren't doing their job the A-10 pilots have fired on friendlies. So, the vast majority of CAS missions have already been taken over by other planes. F-16, F/A-18, F-15 Eagle, even B1s. Since 2014 that the A-10 only got about 11% of CAS missions. The A-10 has already been replaced, and we had a better CAS aircraft before it was even adopted. But it's easy to sell the story that a corrupt government and/or military is trying to phase out a beloved aircraft in favor of a shitty modern gizmo. Even though a good aircraft like the A-7 had its spot stolen by an inferior A-10 thanks to corruption.
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  23020.  @BlakeBigfoot  "that's a fallacy." - were you going to elaborate or do you just shout fallacy whenever you hear a different opinion? "People on the right are FAR more pro-censorship than ANY leftist" - my dude I'm not the kind of idiot who ask for sources for things that can't be proven by any reasonable metric but the claim that the left is not pro censorship is going to need some serious fucking citations behind it. I've had this discussion multiple times and the left essentially argues that to uphold leftist values reactionary speech has to be curtailed. You're just going to do the "not real leftists" thing and weasel away. I get this same shit on the guns and "personal vs private property" debates, from my own sampling done both in real life and on the internet leftists in general and even anarchist-left people are very anti-gun because widespread gun ownership would allow reactionary action. I don't even know how would a stateless society enforce gun control, but it puts a smile on my face whenever the "but muh real leftists are pro gun" people show up to the comments section. "Just because they toot the "anti-censorship" horn doesn't mean their actual beliefs and actions line up" - wow if you want to line up beliefs and actions the left has absolutely no ground to stand on considering almost every system started by the left ended up as "MUH NOT REAL SOCIALISM". "it usually is an indicator of someone who doesn't even know what censorship is. " - oh wow now I'm fucking interested, I wanna hear your definition of censorship.
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  23056.  @biocapsule7311  "thinking you can accuse others of logical fallacy" - look, your best argument is "we live in a society". The foundation of your argument is self-justifying. How am I in the wrong for calling out the problem in justifying things based on "society"? "when challenged, you collapsed" - yeah, asking for better, non fallacious arguments = collapsing. "taxation is the payment of collective cost of services rendered for living in a 'community', in a 'society" - and extortion money is the payment of collective cost of services rendered by your local mob boss for living inside their turf. You can define it as whatever you want with pretty words but it doesn't change the nature. For a collective cost to be billed to anyone, there has to be a collective contract. Living in any "community" or "society", like an homeowners association, or a country club, or whatever requires a voluntary sign up. This "society" automatically joins anyone born in it (being born into a contract is simply not possible because children cannot consent). "If you don't like it, you can cease living in one and for go all the benefit" - Wrong. It's not possible to do that. "If you receive a service but refuse to pay and the server call the cops" - I am not receiving a service. "By your logic, anything you have to pay for, forces you to "work for free"" - Wrong. Anything I pay for I CHOSE TO PAY for it and I MUST RECEIVE the service or else whoever I gave my money to can be nailed for fraud. The government gets away with not providing any service to me but also removing my choice. There's a big difference between me signing a contract that stipulates that I pay for cable and internet service, and you just sitting around in your house not using any of those services and never having signed a contract but the cable company sending armed thugs to force you to pay for a service you don't use. It's weird, I have explained this very well but you keep confusing VOLUNTARY CONTRACT with being forced into an arrangement where you must pay despite never agreeing to anything and independently if you're using the service or not. "Taxation is something very old" - and how old something is doesn't justify it. In fact through history taxation was essentially free labour because most people did not have wealth and thus had to pay taxes to their lords through free labour.
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  23059. ​ @caiarcosbotias1710  "The laws that work on the road are not there simply because an entity owns the street itself. They are there to ensure a correct use by part of all the "clients"." - in most cases, the one who wants correct use by the clients is also the owner. The correct use is defined by conduct and not just the damage you cause. It could be argued that running a red light in the middle of nowhere is a victimless action but the fact is that people are not omniscient. Anyone could jump out of nowhere and try to cross the street the moment you run that red light. While the purpose is ensuring safety (and reducing maintenance costs, downtime, accident cleanups, etc) it is the owner who both makes the rules and ensures they are enforced. "some money that you have legitimately earned must go to the State, in order for it to sustain the infrastructure, services, etc... that most people use everyday, including yourself" - I am not arguing that people shouldn't pay for anything. I am arguing that taxation is the wrong way to do it. A person who doesn't use roads shouldn't be forced to pay for the wear and tear I cause to it. "Actively avoiding paying your own taxes can be more harmful than the case presented above, since it deteriorates the quality of things like law-enforcement, public healthcare, public services... and thus endangers the people who use them" - I am pretty sure that actively T-boning a car or running over a person because you ran a red light is more harmful than... doing "nothing". "If you are alone, as I specified in the case before, there are no authorities than can punish you." - Irrelevant. If a tree falls in the forest and nobody hears it, it still makes a noise. If you commit a crime and nobody was there to witness it, congratulations for getting away with it but you still committed a crime.
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  23060.  @caiarcosbotias1710  "I specified that you are completely alone" - Which is irrelevant because 1. I am not omniscient and thus unable to trust the information I was given if I was driving the car and 2) the rules are based on conduct and not damage. "I don't understand this; the laws of conduct are designed in order to reduce the damage you can cause" - yes, which is why you get punished even if no damage was caused. "Strictly following the "conduct" you could run over someone who crossed the street in red simply because you are arriving late at work. [...] Prioritizing conduct over a quantitative measure of damage is like building the house starting from the roof. " - We're not talking about the morality of following conduct or not. Also, if you can stop but keep driving into a pedestrian, even if the pedestrian was in the wrong, you're probably gonna go down for vehicular manslaughter. The driver is only considered not liable in situations where stopping was impossible, or even more dangerous. "In a perfect world, that would be ideal. Sadly, the truth is that for a functioning state to work it must work beyond it" - but that's the thing, this started off as an argument about the morality of the state. Now you're accepting that in a perfect world what the state is doing is immoral, but it must be done for practical reasons. I'm not arguing that, that's a topic for another day. I'm not arguing about the practicality so I'm willing to give you that point when it comes to this subject. But that admission that "in a perfect world" you'd consider what the state does is wrong is all I was looking for. "Let's say I'm rich and thus never have to use public health. ¿Does that mean that the Nation should not take some of my money to make sure that the poor doesn't die on the streets?" - No. Not only is nobody else entitled to that money, there is no justification for bullying people into giving up their money and there's no guarantee that the bullies will serve the population's interests. Look at the Communists. They claimed to be for the people, for the workers. Then as soon as they got to power, they enslaved the people and fed them scraps. Millions died. "Don't get me wrong, my point is not based on ethics, but on math. If half the population is dying on the streets and a few keep the resources that could help the others, the overall eficiency of the system is horrible." - You're talking about a "system" that can't even keep half the population alive but it's somehow the rich people's fault that the system is inefficient? The system should have been abandoned in the first place. "not punishing the first legitimates tax evasion on a collective level" - ... I fail to see the bad part about that. My point is that you're using inaction as basis for guilt. If I pass by a burning building and hear screams from the inside, I won't go to jail for refusing to jump into the fire. "Thus, commiting a "crime" with no victims and no further damage to the system as a whole doesn't matter" "Again, the law is build on the idea of calculating consequences, not on some total, complete and omnipotent ideal or principle." - ... no, that is completely wrong. Law based on consequence is completely subjective and detached from morality. Most legal systems are based on "principle", Natural Law, legal positivism, etc. For example: Martin Shkreli was convicted of securities fraud. In the end nobody actually lost money and some of his investors actually turned a profit. It didn't matter, he still committed fraud. It's a matter of principle.
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  23143.  @bush_wookie_9606  The A-10 is not firing THE armor piercing round because DU equals bad. Plus the DU round hasn't been able to pen MBT since the late 70s so who gives a shit. The A-10's main tank killer weapon is the Maverick missile and the gun is mostly relevant to strafe people made of meat and bone too close to friendlies to drop a bomb on them. 20mm high explosive should work fine at shredding humans. 25mm APEX should be even better. If you need stealth you can't do CAS either because the battlespace will be too dangerous to send CAS aircraft. The moment you hang shit on the F-35s wings you already kicked in the doors, blew all the radars to hell, dropped bombs on runways to make sure nobody can take off, and anyone who dares turning the air defenses is gonna deepthroat a HARM. The F-35s can hang a F-16 under the wing if it wants to, at that point. Loiter time doesn't mean much when a. any scenario that allows the A-10 to operate allows tankers to refuel F-35s b. the F-35 can get to the action faster and drop munitions more accurately which means it can do its job in less time c. the whole goddamn point of multiroles is that you don't need to wait on a particular kind of aircraft. If a F-35 runs out of ammo or fuel, it can just call another nearby F-35 that was doing an aerial patrol to keep going and finish the job. Or a nearby F-15E. Or nearby F-16, F/A-18, etc. If the only thing that can replace the other A-10 is another A-10 then why are more than 80 percent of CAS missions done by non-A-10 aircraft?
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  23144.  @bush_wookie_9606  Regarding survivability, we know that an F-15 has landed with only one wing and about two feet of the other wing left attached at the root. A F-16 has also landed with half a wing after a collision, and the pilot was a novice if I'm not mistaken. This is thanks to body lift. We know that the F-35 employs even more body lift than those planes. So it's safe to say, the F-35 can probably fly after getting a wing ripped off, at least after losing half a wing. That's about as much as you can rip off from an A-10 and remain in control. The A-10 has a dual redundant hydraulic system. The F-35 actually has isolated hydraulic systems so if you shoot one off, you're only bleeding that one. An A-10 can still have the two hydraulic systems shot off and bled out. The gun is cheaper but it's also harder to employ. It may take a minute and a half for a bomb to fall from the bay, but maneuvering into a firing position can take finesse. We're now fitting laser guided rockets to helicopter rocket pods. This may just be theorycrafting, but wouldn't it be feasible to fit a F-35 with rocket pods in the wings - make the pods stealthy or not, who cares if you're performing low level CAS there's probably no air defenses around - allow the F-35 to fire the rockets from further away and at higher altitude than a gun, allow the dive to be shallower and less dangerous, and improve accuracy even over the 30mm because you're literally pinpointing the target with the laser that the rockets can maneuver into? A whoosh-whoosh-whoosh-whoosh and you get nearly the same effects on target as a 30mm gun run. 2.75 rocket and the guidance kit, probably cheaper than a bomb and already in use with helicopters.
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  23306.  @ilovecoffee7623  I'm not talking about value. I am saying that if in the late 90's I told you some random Swedish guy could draw a bigger audience than CNN you'd have thought I was insane. Right now it seems impossible for people to ever leave YouTube. Just like it probably seemed impossible to leave MySpace at one point. "trasnsparency is the key" - and google holds all the cards. The more they assure us that they're not spying the more I think they are lying to be because Google has been caught lying multiple times about the data they store and to this day they are still using "dark patterns" to keep tabs on you even after you asked for them to stop. "would ease their fears and hysteria" - too late. Have you noticed how YouTube runs their business? People need Patreon, sponsorships and merch sales to get a return on their channel because YouTube is pretty much taking the ad revenue for itself at this point - the review process to get monetization is so long people get most of the views on a video before it receives monetization status. The false copyright striking and reporting is rampant, the strikes system does not give you time to correct what you are doing, you could receive 3 strikes in a row from videos you uploaded a year ago in the same afternoon. They just recently deleted all the annotations which means that tons of videos that needed the annotations to update/correct information will stay up. This place is terrible for content creators and the only reason people aren't leaving in a mass exodus is the fact that YouTube is a "homepage" for videos so that's where the audience is.
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  23307.  @ilovecoffee7623  the problem is that they may have actually tanked their chances of making money off YouTube by pissing off the content creators who actually draw an audience, the same audience that can't stand the corporate bullshit that they showcased on Rewind. >"the general population is at large liberal oriented" The YouTube community isn't the "general population" and this is a huge problem. The general population watches fail videos and looks up tutorials, music videos, whatever and then go do something else. In fact they can spend hours on youtube but not even leave a marker of engagement. The freaking "formula" for the past 2-3 years has been 10-13 min videos that "normies", so to speak, won't have the patience to watch. Why? Because a content creator proving to the algorithm that he creates content that engages people for that long is a pretty good marking of quality but at the same time it's difficult to peddle 15 minute videos about the history of LED printers or some other hyperfocused topic to the general population. >"they do not want to see what they consider to be ''hateful'' content, so YouTube is acting on that" And they're massively failing at that. Not only have they actually hit left-oriented channels too, but apolitical channels as well. Unless YouTube is planning to make all their money from music videos and makeup tutorials, driving off a massive community is completely unprofitable. >"anti-Bulgarian videos" I wasn't even aware there was such a "side" of YouTube. >"don't even get the started of Wikipedia" I have heard of some controversies, are you talking about editing wars where people kept taking down information?
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  23348.  @hectorzero8545  No. The leak shows 43k Russian fatalities and 17k Ukrainian fatalities. The 10:1 artillery advantage doesn't matter when your accuracy is poor, your intelligence has several hours of delay, and your ammo dumps got blown up by HIMARS. Russians don't just sit back. Watch the videos. You don't, because they show reality. And you're scared of being confronted with reality. The combat footage clearly shows that Russia is advancing, not sitting back. The superior firepower needs scouts and artillery forward observers. If Ukrainian defenders do not fire, their positions remain hidden. So the Russian strategy of using artillery still requires Russian men to cross no-man's-land where they're attacked, and then engage Ukrainian positions to get them to fire and show themselves to observers/drones. If Russia sits back, Ukraine sits back and Russia sees nothing but trees and rubble. Ukrainians need to fire for the flash and smoke to betray their location. And for Ukrainians to fire, Russia has to attack. Watch the videos. Specifically Vuhledar. It's a massacre. They are advancing slowly because their advances get bogged down by landmines and mortar fire. They can't preserve manpower. They simply cannot. They turn empty fields into the moon surface. Shelling empty land gets them nothing. When they show up to mop up, that's when they get massacred. Rinse and repeat. Russia does not have JDAMs, stop saying things that don't make sense. They're showing off glide bombs. A JDAM is a guidance kit that corrects free-fall gravity bombs with GPS/INS.
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  23498.  @ts757arse  Suicide rates are pretty consistent across a lot of the big western countries. Like I said I read the POST's own report on it and they admitted it wouldn't work so it was never introduced into the process. I'm not judging from the armchair, I simply looked up the facts and turns out the UK's own government laid it out pretty well. The vast majority of people don't know anything. What does it matter if they're quite happy? I mean, why are you on this channel anyway? If things are fine the way they are, why is there a podcast dedicated to complaining about the state of the UK? How is it obvious in the stats? If you plot gun ownership and gun homicide by country there's no correlation. I don't agree with the way America does it either, so you're just strawmanning. America is wrong too. No, it's not different, it's just wrong. The whole point behind Britain's gun control was 1920s fears about WWII veterans staging a coup that mirrored the Russian revolution. It's just a sign your government hates you and wants you weak. I don't care about the uproar or legalizing anything. I'm just exposing your rationalizations. If it was about target shooting you wouldn't need a gun, you can shoot targets through other means. It's about the gun, but you can't admit it to yourself. I didn't say I wanted you to shut up about UK laws, I wanted you to get off my case about what kinds of weapons you want to brag about. You people always assume you're talking to people who think guns are banned and love going on and on about all the guns you can have. I always find it amusing when people mention .50 BMG as if the number of people with those rifles isn't miniscule and the number of ranges that authorize that kind of shooting is high enough to matter. I'm not American. If you were done with nonsense you wouldn't get a loicense lmao.
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  23500.  @elias_xp95  It's not cherry picking. Australian gun crime was already on the downward trend since the late 60s. Japan never had much gun crime. Most of Europe passed gun control as a way to collect taxes or a response to situations like danger of revolution because the gun crime was never a big of a deal. This is like giving a drug to someone whose cancer is already in remission and claiming your drug cures cancer. No, I'm not American. The problem with your argument is that by that logic, crime should be higher outside of Chicago. The fact that it isn't proves it's not the guns, it's the society. Society outside of Chicago is peaceful and has no problems with guns despite having open access to them. But most regulation does stop law abiding citizens. It's a cultural engineering tool that discourages most law abiding citizens from even attempting to go through the process, and make those who do look like weirdos in the eyes of society. Not to mention that most countries with regulation do have some kind of ban in place, so your argument makes no sense. Like in some countries people have .38 Super or 9x21mm handguns because they can't own 9x19mm. By your own logic the restrictions would make sure no bans are needed, but they put nonsensical bans in place anyway. You ask for one you need to take the combo deal. You don't get to demand only rational regulations. In the US gun crime is punished, I don't even know what you mean with that line of reasoning that gun control is necessary to punish criminals.
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  23559.  @gripp9k  Everything is incredibly expensive but you want to use tax money for it. Nuclear provides plentiful energy and your complaint is... too expensive. Buddy. That's true for all your alternatives. You can't "use both" without a source of disposable energy that makes up for inefficiencies. Tidal would mean construction all over shorelines. Wind is terrible. Geothermic is nuclear... what do you think keeps the mantle hot? Nuclear decay. Solar is fine but it only works half the day and requires a lot more area than a power plant. No, they won't all become "more efficient and cheaper". Solar is starting to hit the limits of physics in lab grade PV cells. We can double the amount of wind farms we have right now, but past that number efficiency will actually start to decrease as we rob too much energy from the moving air. Geothermic and tidal are still just ways to spin turbines. Any efficiency gains you get on those, will also net efficiency gains on the turbines spun by nuclear generated steam. So most of these pie in the sky "alternatives" are just scams that will damage the environment and give us shitty energy. "But sleeping on everything else is how we're here in the first place" - But that's false. We didn't "sleep" on anything. The technology just wasn't possible. It's like the electric car and the story about how the big oil magnates bought the patents and buried it. Even today we needed massive improvements to make EVs viable, and they still kinda suck in certain aspects. So no, we couldn't have Teslas in the 1970s and we couldn't have 2021 solar PV cells in the 1990s. The only reason there's a concern with catastrophic failures on nuclear plants is how they have a fail-deadly design where leaving them alone will cause a meltdown. Modern designs are fail-safe and literally cannot melt down. The vacating the area for a thousand years is also somewhat misleading. While not all areas around Fukushima are 100% safe to return due to readings above 15 mSv (max allowable exposure for nuclear plant workers is 20 mSv), many areas are now safe 10 years later.
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  23690.  @pdpgb  Nah, there were lines for high-demand goods even if you could afford it. We associate the bread line with extreme poverty but the reason the expression caught on and became culturally relevant was because there were queue lines even during the good times. When Mikhail Gorbachev wanted to curb alcoholism the state put restrictions on sale of hard liquor and the time of day you could purchase it so lines formed for alcohol as well, not just food. Waiting in line happened even for books. Lines formed at the stores because the government fixed the prices (hiding inflation). People who produced food independently were able to sell it at local markets but there the prices were higher due to inflation, so it was always preferable to get your groceries at the store with regulated prices. Even during the good times, when there's no famine at all, it was preferable to take your chance at waiting in line as you'd spend less money on food and this normalized a behavior that you'd only see in times of crisis. The poor allocation of resources causing some areas to have extra stock while others had shortages, plus corruption at the distributor level diverting products towards the "grey market", had the compounding effect of people travelling farther to go to stores. This "extends" the cultural memory of standing in line for food because it happened even when people weren't facing extreme poverty. "But I don't see any problem with the concept in general. Sure it's better if they don't have to wait in line too long but we're giving food to hungry people." - The problem isn't "you have to wait for food". That's not the critique. It's how poorly managed production was in the Soviet Union. It's not a bad thing to have charity in times of hardship, the problem is when the hardship was caused by the state's own incompetence and now your survival depends on charity.
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  23892.  @gregparrott  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Key_West_Agreement#Consequences There's really not much else to it. The branches have an agreement in place to not step on each others' toes. An example that is brought up frequently is the Cheyenne, A-10 and Harrier, which could potentially be considered redundant. The government hearings determined that each had unique capabilities and was different enough that the Army, Air Force and Marines could proceed with their projects. But they're willing to handle CAS. They have pretty much not done much else other than CAS for the past 20 years. The troops will also probably want a bottle of jack and two strippers included in the air support, but that's not happening. It's an ageing platform that should have been replaced in 1993 as originally intended. It cost around two billion just to make new wings to keep them in the air. That money would have paid for new aircraft. The issue isn't just changing the accords. Helicopter training isn't fixed wing training. But sure, the Army has fixed wing training schools too because they operate transport and recon aircraft. The problem is, you need an A-10 school. You need pilots who know the A-10 inside and out, not transport aircraft. You need all the institutional knowledge to be dismantled in the Air Force structure and reassemble it in the Army. You need the supply of weapons that are in USAF inventory that now have to be delivered to the Army. Manuals. Those will pretty much have to be re-written too. Mechanics. Again another personnel that will need to be trained, and you can't just pull mechanics from somewhere else and expect them to know how to be proficient at fixing a new aircraft they've never worked on. You'll need Air Force mechanics to teach them all about the A-10. By the time this process is finished, the A-10 will be even older and less capable.
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  24096.  @ashleyzheng2244  the problem is that you'll get mostly criminals or people with nothing to live for. A few adrenaline junkies, but you'll mostly get rapists and deadbeat dads trying to avoid paying child support, people who don't matter if they get killed. In the context of a professional army it might sound normal to leave a family behind - but in the case of a no guarantees, you know you'll be dropped on the shit creek without a paddle, absolutely no standards or even trust between fighters one would have to be insane to join with a family that depends on him. Without military backing, who prevents your mercenaries from getting encircled? Who provides medical? Who's there to prevent the hired guns from simply being hired by a better price? Who's there to confirm that the pilots are actually doing their job and not just dropping hail maries and turn back so that they lower their exposure to enemy fire, sacrificing the guys on the ground to protect his own ass? What about fuel and resupply? Who repairs vehicles? How do they even set up some form of law enforcement with the locals to keep populations in check while they fight? At one point it becomes cheaper to just use the military you already have than trying to set up an entire logistical chain to keep hired guns functioning as well as a proper military and also wasting time and money making sure the hired guns don't fuck off to do something else. Who gives a damn about 40k when you can just capture the poppy fields and make money off the heroin trade?
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  24238.  @ablabla880  "That the Democrats managed to pull it off without a Trace" - There's no trace to leave. If a local campaign manager gets voter rolls and fills ballots with people who haven't voted in the last few elections, they'll be indistinguishable from "real" votes. It's impossible to verify unless you manage to confirm signatures. And that's exactly why it was done that way. You don't rob a bank and leave your prints everywhere. You wear gloves. "I hate to break it to you but then they are so powerful that it is futile to resist." - What does this mean? "People who think differently and follow science" - What science? Didn't Fauci say it was safe to vote? "I strongly assume you are a white Male." - Why does that matter? "Because only a fraction of Black and Latino Voters voted Trump." - But increased in 2020 versus 2016. "Correct me if I am wrong of course." - I didn't vote for Trump so you have no basis for your assertion. "You seem to be bright so you know as well as I, that Minorities in the US have a much higher birthrate. So do the math." - What math? What does this mean? "except now they are RHINOS" - It's Republican In Name Only. I don't see where the H comes from. "Remember Charlottesville? So you will have to live with the fact that you are clinging on to an old white Nationalist." - What does that mean? You're leaving a lot of gaps in your logic. What are you actually saying by this? What does Charlottesville have to do with clinging to anyone. I'm also not clinging to anyone. You think everyone is a Trump supporter. I'm not. You're punching air right now with all that anger. "have worked and paid my Taxes in the US for the last 10 years" - Why should I care you paid your taxes? "I think I have earned the Right to speak my mind about things." - Then why did you claim you were a proud German? You identify yourself as German. Why bring that up? "I have not served in your military" - So what? Nobody says you should have. "But I have served in the German Army as Mountain Hunter." - Why does that matter? "I volunteered for service in Afghanistan after 09" - So you signed up for a war you had the hindsight to know was a lie? If you had volunteered after 2001 that would have been understandable, but 2009? People voted for Obama in 2008 to end the wars. "As Trump inspired Mobs get more and more aggressive" - The biggest mobs we've seen were not on Trump's side. "As I have to ask myself, if I want to let my kid grow up in this inviroment" - Don't worry the environment is heating up everywhere. You're still going to have to explain what you meant with your other comment. What about minorities and birth rates?
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  24366.  @memg5742  If you don't hate police, you're not paying attention. It wasn't an assault rifle. If you want to use specifics for shock value, I'm going to nitpick the specifics. An assault rifle is an intermediate caliber rife with a detachable magazine that can switch between semi-automatic and automatic fire modes. Since the Hughes Amendment to the 1986 Firearms Owners Protection Act (signed into law by Reagan, no less) that automatic weapons cannot be purchased by civilians. If Kyle couldn't have an automatic weapon, he didn't have an assault rifle. Don't want me to beat you over the head with details about guns? Don't open the door to scrutiny. Vigilantism: "Taking the law into one's own hands and attempting to effect justice according to one's own understanding of right and wrong" - a protection service isn't vigilantism. A security guard is not law enforcement. Kyle was not taking the law into his own hands as he was not arresting or issuing citations. He wasn't attempting to effect justice as he was not doing anything other than putting out fires and scrubbing graffiti. That's not "justice". It's not LE's job to protect people and property. Supreme Court already ruled that they have no duty to protect. Protesters that didn't attack people were not shot. So how is that related? "Kyle showing up with an AR-15 style weapon (that’s not an assault rifle? what are you calling it?)" - As seen above, assault rifle is a specific category of weapon. Don't get surprised and ask if that's not an assault rifle. Ask yourself who told you about the term "assault rifle" and what you were told it was. "assault rifle-style weapon" - Now it's your turn. In detail, explain to me what assault style rifle even is. And what you're trying to say. Don't give me the buzzword, just spell it out what you think is wrong about the AR and it being used.
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  24459.  @ponraul1221  "You just skipped the important second half of his statement where he focuses on personal responsibility." - because it doesn't contradict anything I said. "Again, claiming he supports anarchy based on this statement is really stretching and misrepresenting what he means, which is that he supports personal responsibility" - holy shit you can't admit Ron Paul ever entertained the idea of anarchism so you're resorting to focus on everything else Paul said except what matters. Taking responsibility for yourself contradicts the leftist definition of anarchy so obviously Dr. Paul needs to add caveats. Just like he needs to say that you shouldn't go out and shoot government officials just because you want to be left alone. If he said "I think car racing is wonderful but people should drive responsibly and not infringe on others' rights" you'd be here telling me Ron Paul doesn't like racing, just driving responsibly. "You’re also putting words into my mouth claiming I said “noooo he meant the peaceful part.”" - YOU'RE LITERALLY DOING IT RIGHT NOW, NOOOO HE DOESN'T SAY ANARCHY IS A GOOD IDEA HE'S SAYING PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY IS A GOOD IDEA holy shit man "This is all ignoring the fact you are claiming he supports anarchy" - I didn't say that, I said he thinks anarchy is a great idea You know what Paul also said in that same video clip? That socialists getting together and voluntarily living in socialism would be permissible and a good thing to have in a libertarian society. But that doesn't make him a socialist. I mean, in the video you have a perfect example of someone capable of entertaining thoughts without agreeing with them and you STILL don't get that Ron Paul is friendly to ideologies that aren't his own.
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  24461.  @ponraul1221  ”I think I know that doesn’t make me a socialist. I also am very sympathetic to anarchists and share many values with them, and I think I know I’m not an anarchist. ” - so essentially you are now saying what I've been saying across multiple posts. I'm glad that you've essentially refused to read and had to make the connection by yourself. ”I’m still arguing about your original main comment” - Joke - Q: you know the difference between a libertarian and an anarchist? A: about six months Hopefully it's clear as mud because it couldn't get any clearer than my first post. ”When someone says something is a good thing or a great idea I think it’s logical to conclude that they support it; but apparently you don’t. In fact I think it’s quite impossible to consciously not support something if you think it’s good thing or a great idea.” - so after saying that, what do you think about Dr. Paul saying he thinks anarchy is a great idea? I want you to expand on that. ”if someone says they support anarchy and turned thousands (maybe millions) of people into anarchists (like you have claimed Ron Paul does/did) I think it’s reasonable and logical to conclude that they are an anarchist” - that makes no fucking sense lol Ron Paul turned people into anarchists because many libertarians caught a glimpse of reality and saw how libertarianism was sabotaged. If you have the best man and you send him out to play the game and you see the referees screwing him over you'll become dissatisfied. I'm going to play it from the other side. Would you disagree that Bernie Sander's campaign sabotage (and him selling out and kissing the Clinton ring) took many Democratic Socialists and made them turn to Communism because they realized that Democratic Socialists will always be sabotaged by liberals? But if you ask Sanders about Communism he'll start mumbling about Scandinavia. He won't even dare to say he thinks Communism is a great idea but I have no fucking doubt a lot of the Antifa chucklefucks are butthurt Berniebros. The fact that you can't even concieve how a person's actions might create introspection and lead his followers to dwelve deeper into the theory and realize they were too optimistic makes your response sound childish. You'd rather ignore REAL human responses to events and pretend the world is linear just for the sake of clicking Post Comment instead of thinking about the subject and having an actual conversation.
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  24462.  @ponraul1221  "but it isn't true for the vast majority of people getting into libertarianism" - because it's a joke. If you found it funny it's because you see why my original comment has validity. Most of the people I've been with in the journey into libertarianism simply got more and more fed up. Ron Paul was sabotaged, Gary Johnson turned out to be an absolute buffoon. "Dr. Paul never said he thinks anarchy is a great idea" - Except that he did. "he said the idea of anarchists peacefully exercising personal responsibility is great" - Again, if Ron Paul said car racing was great, but you shouldn't be street racing near schools or behaving recklessly, being a threat to people, you'd be here saying he never said racing was great, it's all the personal responsibility he thinks is great. "isn't an argument and pure condescension" - you're the condescending one. You literally went "nah this thing totally doesn't happen" when it does. "that doesn't make them have the responsibility of that outcome" - I simply stated that Rand Paul has the uphill battle of trying to appeal to normies but also the people who supported his father. When people saw how the political process screwed with Ron Paul you don't mellow out and drive towards the center, you get outraged and become even more against the government. You trying to make this about "responsibility" has fuck all to do with the initial statement - Ron Paul was a major influence to many people and Rand doesn't want to carry the torch. Which is fine, but like I said is an uphill battle. "Your argument is akin to a kindergarten teacher who taught Einstein to add 2+2=4 claiming she was the reason he came up with the General Theory of Relativity." - no, my argument is more akin to seeing your kindergarten teacher getting absolutely screwed over by the school board over some bullshit and you vow to homeschool your kids because of what you've witnessed. "I put the responsibility upon communists advocating communism" - but if those people had never been Bernie supporters, and never got to witness how the DNC screwed him over and still managed to make him bend the knee, they could have been basic-bitch liberals. Again, I'm not pinning Bernie with the bill for the burnt cars and broken windows. Just stating cause-and-effect. "you're the one ignoring REAL human responses to events and pretend the world is linear" - except I'm the one using nuance while you flat out say "that doesn't happen lol" but okay
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  24513.  @LupusAries  "How so?" - Any plans on a gun that fires backwards? If your argument hinges on the defending aircraft reversing on the attacker due to both IR and radar missiles failing, I think that the fight was already lost. "And it's another case of the situation being perfect for the US fighter, it had the iniative" - I don't have the real statistic with me but I'm pretty sure it's widely known that most aircraft shot down were unaware they were being attacked, so having the initiative is the goal to score the kill. "Yes the missile should reject the flares, but then whole point of Flares is to confuse missile" - You're making my argument for me, yeah no shit the IR missile missed, it was fooled with countermeasures intended to fool it. The problem is that the 9X should have an imaging sensor capable of determining that a flare doesn't look like an aircraft. Even pseudo-imager seekers had some degree of flare rejection. So yeah, we're paying for tech that should work but it isn't. "You can't expect countermeasure designers to sit around with twiddling their thumbs doing nothing...." - The problem is, the seeker was outwitted by something that probably did not have the amount of design you seem to be implying. Look at footage seen by the 9X seeker. It can see the fuselage, the wings, etc. If your job is designing a canister that burns how exactly are you going to make it look like an aircraft? https://youtu.be/myuZUxS3Uww?t=243 This stuff was available in the 90s, if a hockey puck can determine what kind of SAM site it's looking at its outline against the ground clutter how exactly can we fool an AIM-9X with a burning tube? Raytheon better come up with a good excuse.
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  24527.  @calenhoover1124  The rules of economics haven't changed in thousands of years but sure let's pretend a lecture being 40 years old makes it irrelevant. "your argument still falls flat in the face of hundreds of years of democratic and civil advance in the U.S." - How has there been any democratic advance? Ever since the beginning the power is less and less in the hands of the electorate. "The United States ranks at the top in housing...." - You're doing the same as the CCP paid shills. Who cares that there's a tyrannical government and power and there's no freedom? The rankings say the economy is great! The fact that you can amass greater wealth in the US doesn't mean that the US is democratic. "Do you really believe that one of the most powerful countries on earth that has an incredible economic winning streak is going to risk flip flopping to a tyranny" - The Empire always comes home. That question required a pinch of self-awareness. Power corrupts. This is like a Roman scoffing at the thought of the Roman Empire ever crumbling down. Tyranny isn't throwing the power away. It's the way to maintain it during times of crisis. "i've provided quotes from peer reviewed studies" - You didn't, but that's fine. "to exemplify to you that the U.S has no motive for your claims" - But you aren't even able to question the fact that the US government is growing in power and unable to stop. ""More Power" isnt a motive either because the senators and even the president themselves are subject to any laws they write or pass" - 1) this wasn't true until the 90s and caused a huge stir in the 80s 2) it's us the little people who need things like encrypted communications to prevent spying from the government, not politicians 3) they can staff the agencies with partisan hacks 4) in cases like these they are sort of exempt because they can prohibit companies from providing us end-to-end encryption while they contract a security company to provide them encryption services for "national security". "Let me know when that happens and we can talk" - Okay. Do you think the military, secret service, everyone who receives classified emails, etc is gonna be forced to work without encryption? "Please provide some proof or arguments that arent a 40 year old ted talk." - That was only about how government action doesn't improve the country, wealth generation does. Government action may actually do the opposite of what it attempts to do. Like rent control being responsible for rents increasing.
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  24611. @The Legacy "the F-4 was designed without an internal gun, as it was thought that subsonic dogfighting would be impossible" - No. The F-4 Phantom was designed for fleet defense. The way to do it is to go FAST, meet the threat head on and fire missiles at beyond visual range. If you had to come around and circle for a guns solution, you've already allowed the enemy to fire anti-ship missiles. Against the carrier you needed to land back on. The gun was dead weight for this purpose. "basically had the helpless F-4's dead-to-rights" - Because due to gaps in radar coverage, F-4s accompanying strike packages were vulnerable to MiGs coming around the border and doing high speed passes in ambushes that could not be reversed because the F-4s were flying slower to keep up with the strike aircraft. F-4s that participated in MIGCAP missions and went around looking for enemies had a satisfactory kill ratio. The Navy F-4s, which were not in a position to get ambushed and had radar coverage provided by the ships behind them, also had no issue going toe to toe with the MiGs. "at extreme risk of the F-35's weaknesses in dogfighting" - Pilots compare it to the F/A-18. There's footage of a pilot fighting Su-30s with the Hornet in training exercises and he did well. "the F-35 will be a flying target, forcing the F-15 (and the vastly superior F-22 [...] to take over" - This makes no sense. The F-15 and F-22 are air superiority platforms. They're the expensive, overpowered, premier air to air platform. The F-35 is the cheap companion multirole that fills the gap left by the fact that there's not enough F-15s or F-22s to handle everything else. "ever since the F-22 was adapted to carry air-to-ground weapons, there is really no reason why the F-35 is needed at all" - This is completely incorrect. The F-22 has very limited ground attack capabilities. The F-35 is needed to fill all the gaps.
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  24699. "what is the appropriate use for controlled substances?" That is circular reasoning. You're already justifying them needing an appropriate use by claiming they're controlled. "But outside of those circumstances, they are more likely to cause dramatic short and long term harm" legal prescription drugs are literally responsible for more addiction and overdoses than illegal drugs. So within those circumstances they're actually more likely to cause harm. You ever saw "do not operate heavy machinery" in a drug's label? You are now aware that an alarming number of Americans pop those pills like candy on a daily basis and you share the road with them. Cars are "heavy machinery". And now you know. [skip] "you are not just playing Russian roulette with yourself, but with everyone else as well" look I'm going to explain it to you one more time. You want 1) drugs to be controlled because 2) someone might take them and 3) that someone might endanger someone else. Number 3) is a crime. Doing something about the person tossing firecrackers into people's hands is the same as arresting a drunk driver or a high drivers. However, you also want to criminalize lighting firecrackers without harming nobody, and getting drunk at a bar/home without harming nobody - not just that, but you want the sale of firecrackers and liquor banned as well. You want to make several non-victimizing behaviours into a crime because POSSIBLY, those actions could MAYBE result in a crime. Hi, we're libertarians. Maybe you've confused us for liberals or tradnats or something, but this is probably not the place for you because we don't want our beliefs getting banned because people like you pop a vessel in their brain when confronted with our way of thinking.
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  24739.  @eugger3011  "All of the examples that you stated weren't bad government regulation, they were half-baked government regulation." - so it doesn't count because reasons. Okay. "A wage increase with a loophole is better than no wage increase at all." - are you out of your mind? Wage increases were BANNED by law in many occupations because the US govt sent off people to die. And then created an unequal situation where wages were taxed but healthcare insurance benefits weren't, which benefited employers. The measures literally threw the people under the bus while giving employers a benefit and you think this is a good thing? It's one of the reasons US healthcare is totally fucked and you're defending it. "Medicare and Medicaid that's partially paid for by the government is better than insurance that you fully pay for" - MY DUDE PLEASE READ READ READ READ WHAT THE GOVERNMENT DOESN'T PAY, THE PEOPLE END UP PAYING THROUGH INCREASED HEALTHCARE COSTS "And the example of employer insurance being exempt from the tax code is an example of deregulation, as they're no longer regulated by tax" - No, because wages were still being taxed. The US govt literally passed a REGULATION that stated they wouldn't tax healthcare benefits. If there was deregulation then the government would allow the employer to choose to give you an untaxed wage increase. Forcing employers to pick a specific form of payment to get the best bang for their buck is a regulation in itself. For fuck's sake, the government literally BANNED you getting paid more but you call this deregulation. "but how was the public worse off with these programs?" - I'd be repeating myself but these programs created bad market incentives that took away choice and increased costs. "Corporate lobbyists want deregulation, not regulation" - then why do they write regulation for politicians to pass? Look at copyright law, Mickey Mouse should be inthe public domain but Disney keeps changing the law. "They want to be able to do whatever they want, so why would they want more regulation for themselves?" - because de-regulation allows for competition. If you tweak regulations, you can make the letter of the law essentially ban new companies from competing with you. This is widely known.
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  24740.  @eugger3011  "My original argument was that the free market doesn't work for healthcare" - why? "And you might be right on the specific examples that you stated, but in general government regulation does not rip off the consumer." - but it does. Most of consumer goods, which are moderately regulated, have dropped in price over the last few decades. Education, healthcare, housing, etc high regulated markets have rised several times above inflation. Hell, the government regulation passed to promote home ownership forced banks to issue riskier loans, one of the reasons for the housing crisis. "I don't get how corporations would want regulation if they're being negatively impacted" - if you make a product that complies with the regulation but your competitors don't, you essentially got a huge head start. "An automobile manufacturer won't support regulation that bans cars that don't match up with safety standards because it'll be more expensive to make cars." - read 'em and weep: https://www.theverge.com/2019/6/6/18655820/ford-gm-toyota-automakers-trump-lower-emissions-standards-letter-california 17 automobile manufacturers asked Trump to back off deregulation because it's cheaper for them to have all their products obey the same standards. Deregulating too much would actually cost them money. "Public healthcare that's free actually reinvigorates competition into the market" - no, it doesn't. Because it's "free", aka the government takes your money, there's less competition. They already have your money. There's no incentive to offer a better service. "I don't see this as bad government regulation." - you only learned about 7 hours ago that many times government regulation makes things worse for the consumer, and somehow what you think is good or bad regulation matters.... You're still working under the naive assumption that government = good.
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  24842.  @Howling-Mad-Murdock  "The figures for how efficient the nhs is are freely available" - yeah I'm sure the government figures were never cooked, just like a decade ago the home office was exposed cooking up the crime numbers to protect tourism revenue. Forgive the nitpicking but I here it goes In 1955/6 health spending was 11.2% of the public services budget. In 2015/16 it was 29.7%.[53] This equates to an average rise in spending over the full 60-year period of about 4% a year once inflation has been taken into account. Under the Blair government spending levels increased by around 6% a year on average. Since 2010 spending growth has been constrained to just over 1% a year.[53] Many minor procedures may no longer be available from 2019 and the real reason may be to cut costs.[54] Since 2010, there has been a cap of 1% on pay rises for staff continuing in the same role. Unions representing doctors, dentists, nurses and other health professionals have called on the government to end the cap on health service pay, claiming the cap is damaging the health service and damaging patient care.[56] The Guardian has said that GPs face excessive workloads throughout Britain and that this puts the GP's health and that of their patients at risk.[61] The Royal College of Physicians did a survey of doctors in England, Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland. Two-thirds of doctors surveyed maintained patient safety had deteriorated during the year to 2018, 80% feared they would be unable to provide safe patient care in the coming year while 84% felt increased pressure on the NHS was demoralising the workforce. The NHS is underresourced compared to health provisions in other developed nations. A King’s Fund study of OECD data from 21 nations, revealed that the NHS has among the lowest numbers of doctors, nurses and hospital beds per capita in the western world.[65] Nurses within the NHS maintain that patient care is compromised by the shortage of nurses and the lack of experienced nurses with the necessary qualifications.[66] Social care will cost more in future according to research by Liverpool University, University College London, and others and higher investment are needed. Professor Helen Stokes-Lampard of the Royal College of GPs said, “It’s a great testament to medical research, and the NHS, that we are living longer – but we need to ensure that our patients are living longer with a good quality of life. For this to happen we need a properly funded, properly staffed health and social care sector with general practice, hospitals and social care all working together – and all communicating well with each other, in the best interests of delivering safe care to all our patients.”[109] There's a point to all this. You can give me the numbers but it seems to me that it's inefficient as hell. If costs increase 4 percent by year and the NHS had to get its funding cut to keep the cost rise at 1 percent... You're trying to bleed into a hole that leads to the ocean. It's gonna keep costing more and it's already understaffed so if it was actually working properly cost increases would be even worse. And you're trying to tell me it's well managed. I don't think so. If costs almost tripled within 50-60 years what do you think is gonna happen in 2070 and the UK's NHS costs 60 percent of the budget? ”If you’re not American, why defend a system whose sole reason to exist is profit?” - 1. because I'm not. 2. Everything requires profit. Even you require profit, animals require profit. Imagine if you spent more money getting to work than you were getting paid. You'd be losing money. Animals need to eat more nutrients from the animal they kill than they spent chasing prey or else eventually they get malnourished. Even plants require profit.
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  25120. Those platforms have a fighting chance. The A-10 is hopeless. The B-52 is in a unique position. It was meant to be replaced by it didn't pan out. The fall of the Soviet Union delayed the need for a suitable replacement. It's also large enough that upgrades have room inside the airframe. Nobody talks about retiring the B-52 because it's a non-issue. The A-10 being unable to fly into a contested environment makes it unfeasible. Air superiority cannot protect the A-10. The A-10 is vulnerable even after air defense systems are degraded, it doesn't get impunity. The operational cost of the A-10 is artificially hidden because billions have been spent to keep it able to fly. It's an extremely dated airframe that had entire chunks rebuilt as the structure physically wore out with use. Loiter time of drones and turboprops is comparable to A-10s if not greater. Getting low is a requirement from the 1960s. A-10 pilots ID'ing targets for themselves have made plenty of mistakes. There's a reason it's the ground controllers who give the call to start the attacks, not pilots. They need hand-holding from ground forces to pick off the right targets. When left alone, they easily target friendlies by mistake. Taliban fighters hit by F-16s probably don't hate to see them overhead because they either died or never saw what hit them. What's worse? Seeing a slow aircraft coming and giving you time to escape, or seeing your friends vaporized without you knowing any aircraft was even there? The latter seems like absolute terror. But that's just me. It wasn't retired because Congress asked for a new aircraft to replace it, while the USAF couldn't convince them that multiroles had already replaced it. It's simply Congress refusing to move on from the 1960s.
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  25310.  @titytitmk2738  I was wrong, it was only the 43 Commando Fleet Protection Group that switched the SA80 for the Diemaco C8. "Do you think the average insurgent or other opponent the SAS would be going against would have the chance to take a detailed look at their guns?" - Then it wouldn't matter if they were using SA80s. Plus, the problem is someone getting killed or a rifle being lost. Since the early 2000s that insurgents take video and photos of the dead and gear left behind. Someone would be able to identify them. Also, why would there be a problem in insurgents knowing they're fighting the SAS? The issue would be the subversive action wing or whatever they're called now, where the secrecy involved would be much greater because if caught or identified, their actions could actually trigger new wars. And if those people ever go into a mission, they'll probably take Chinese AK clones so that the government can pretend they were just soldiers of fortune carrying smuggled weapons. "The SAS, SBS and SRR use M4 clones because to 99% of people they would look like any other NATO SF unit. They would not be immediately identifiable as British SF." - In the 2000s, they would. Photo and video available of SAS fighting in the GWOT clearly shows they're British due to DPM pattern smocks and pants, plus British web gear. Nowadays most special operations seem to have converged to multicam or derivatives with similar looking plate carriers like JPCs and LBT 6094s, but for decades the British gear was easily identifiable. They also commonly wore the green DPM smock combined with the desert DPM pants, which is a striking combo. "moderate to long range patrols would use vehicles and not be walked" - They'll have fun in mountainous areas where vehicles can't go into.
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  25332.  @conservativeguitarsingerjs7937  "You do get to kill people when they attack you" - Not if you're committing a crime! A home invader can't claim self-defense if attacked by the residents. "why do you defend Jacob Blake?" - Who's Jacob Blake? "Doesn’t sound much like a strawman anymore does it?" - It does because that's exactly what a strawman is - pretending people said things they never said. "you claiming that I said you can kill people for being bad people" - But I didn't. You were using "bad" and "good" as ways to let people off criminal charges. "They killed him for charging him while they had firearms" - And they were the aggressors. "They killed him in self defense" - Not when they're committing a crime. "Even if they weren’t legally allowed to make the arrest" - Which makes them criminals. "do you think the criminal Animal knew that he only commit a misdemeanor and it wasn’t a felony so they couldn’t make a citizens arrest?" - Completely irrelevant to the facts at hand. There was a crime committed and the criminals killed someone as a result. "They killed him for attacking them. What were they supposed to do at that point?" - So if a criminal breaks into your house, and you defend yourself against him, would you ask what's the criminal supposed to do? "So people are just allowed to commit crimes and if the police don’t get there to stop them and the person goes away they can just get off Scott free?" - Huh. I hate to break it to you but that's how it works. If you weren't even there to witness the crime you can't perform citizen's arrests on random people in the street. You do understand that a criminal getting away is better than innocent people getting killed because of mistakes, right? "this is obviously just a black and white skin color issue with you" - It isn't. "But I just wanted to point out you actually made the strawman argument." - I didn't. I replied to what you said. That's why I use quotes.
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  25516.  @WingsaberE3  "weapons meant to kill a lot of people quickly" - That's like, most weapon designs since the 1840s. "We already have gun control in the form of children and other people can't buy them, why not just a little more?" - I can't believe I have to explain this, but gun laws have been increasing ever since they started. I can't write a comment addressing all of them but for example the 1968 gun control act targeted "Saturday Night Specials" (which originates from a racist term) to make cheap guns illegal, in 1989 there was a ban on the import on foreign rifles, and the way you got hold of a foreign rifle was to destroy the receiver before importing, bring them over as a scrapped gun, rebuild it either by making a new receiver or re-welding the torch cut pieces in a jig, then assembling it. But to complicate it, there's 922r compliance. This means that a firearm built off an imported parts kit could not have more than 10 foreign parts. So if a rifle has 11 parts, you'd need to replace one by a US made part (which is easy because you already built the receiver in the US). But what if a rifle has 19 parts? You'd have to toss out 9 foreign parts and find a manufacturer that is making those replacement parts so you could have a legal rifle. Now, in 2005 it was signed into law that the barrels in those parts kits had to come to the US destroyed. So now you'd have to get a US barrel maker to manufacture you a clone barrel for a foreign rifle and you wouldn't be able to use the original. Are you bored yet? This is only a sliver of all the gun laws that exist. And if you're building a rifle, you have to take care of your barrel measurement and decide if you're going to have a normal stock, a folding stock, or a pistol brace. Because the EXACT SAME WEAPON can be a rifle, a SBR, an AOW, a "pistol" or a "firearm" depending how you configure it. The SBR and AOW require a 200 dollar and registry with the ATF or else they'll come kick your doors in and shoot your dog. Oh, and if you assemble it as a pistol you can later decide to make it a rifle, but if you go from a rifle to a pistol you've just committed a crime. Not bored yet? Look up a flowchart for the legality of a rifle in California. I can't even describe it through text. You need a freaking PhD to figure out some gun laws. We already have all these unreasonable, nonsensical and useless gun laws. And you ask, why not a little more? Do you want me to laugh in your face? You think it's not going to affect us if we get MORE of this bullshit? "We already have gun control in the form of children and other people can't buy them, why not just a little more?" - It NEVER ends. "Hell I have to renew my scuba license and lifeguard license every couple years" - And if you want to cut other people's hair for money you need a 300 hour course but if you want to cut your own at home there's clippers for sale at Walmart for like $24.99. The equivalent to a lifeguard in the gun world would be like being an armored car company's armed security. Pretty sure that requires licensing too. "Do you really need heavy machine guns and sniper rifles to defend your house?" - Machine guns are banned. It's almost like you people insist on being wrong on the facts. And then you complain that we're being pedantic by trying to enforce terminology. I couldn't give a rat's ass about terminology, my issue is people taking advantage of terminology to pretend that machine guns are legal. Also, what the fuck is a sniper rifle? Snipers in history have used everything from the first rifled muzzleloaders, hunting guns, heavy machine guns (Carlos Hatchcock used a scope-equipped M2 Browning machine gun to make a kill at 2500 yards) and more modern rifles like the Accuracy International series (famous for the AWP/AWM from Counter Strike) started off with a British guy building custom rifles as a hobby in his literal shed (and got a government contract before he even had a factory because his rifles were so fucking good). You want to ban a gun because it's built too well? "And if you're going to fight the government that's dumb unless you have the couple million laying around for a SAM launcher." - Those are inflated Military Industrial Complex prices. I can make you a SAM for a few thousand.
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  25517.  @WingsaberE3  What's messed up is that for 20 years psychologists have warned that media focus on mass shootings and sensationalist pieces push more people over the edge, and around 2016 a study found "contagion" effects in mass shootings confirming that the infamy gained by mass shooters inspires people under similar conditions to take action, but yet only about a year,year and a half ago did some media outlets announce that they were going to stop mentioning the shooter's name. What's messed up is that statistically, one is more likely to get killed by lighting strike in America than in a school shooting. I mean, after the Madrid bombings, which happened in fucking Spain of all places so had nothing to do with us, police went to schools and gave us a lecture on identifying different types of IEDs. I liked it, I'd assume most kids didn't give a shit, but I found value in gaining a skill that could save lives. But we didn't have repeated drills. Should people be taught how to act in case of a mass shooter? Sure. But when you think that it's messed up that children are being subjected to repeated drills, remember that someone knows that school shootings are statistically insignificant and yet they're knowingly traumatizing kids for no reason. "instead of a discussion on how to resolve it." - We had that discussion multiple times but since the answer isn't guns nothing gets done. So not only are organizations perfectly willing to mentally fuck up kids by reinforcing their belief that they're gonna die out of a cause of death that is less common than lighting strike, they'll allow that statistically low number of deaths occur and work to cause MORE through media exposure until they get the gun legislation they want. I'll accept the criticism on the "thoughts and prayers" under the condition that you think about the people who say "we don't want thoughts and prayers" but will literally refuse alternative solutions and actively cause more mass shootings through non-stop media coverage.
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  25812.  @StephenBenHinds  "do you have a source?" - http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk/1440764.stm https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1223193/Culture-violence-Gun-crime-goes-89-decade.html https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/law-and-order/3222063/Gun-crime-60pc-higher-than-official-figures.html "a criminal was subdued by civilians without the use of guns"- and in America a mass shooter with an AR was also subdued by a civilian without guns. "the fact that deadly force was only available to trained professional other than street justice by any random passer by makes me feel more secure" - Not me. "Trained" professionals are behind some of the largest massacres in mankind's history. It's not reasonable or even sane to defend the state's monopoly on the use of weapons considering how much carnage governments have caused. "the UK only having 97 deaths from terror attacks while the US has 408 since 2005" - Did you adjust the numbers to population? "i disagree with the line "With no guns, it's extremely easy for criminals to make the streets unsafe."" - Then sorry to break it to you, but you are a fool. Dangerous people can control the streets without guns. "even the worse streets i have walked down i have yet to be terrified of being shot" - You being "terrified" of being shot or not is purely based on media and perception ingrained by anecdotal evidence. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/dec/27/police-struggle-to-stop-flood-of-firearms-into-uk The police themselves admits they can't stop the flow of guns. The criminals have guns. But you don't hear of shootings so you don't worry about being shot. You hear of a lot of shootings in the US, so you would fear getting shot there. It's all about perspective. But notice - your standard of safety is being shot. Not being shot doesn't mean you are safe. That's insane. You can be unsafe even without weapons around. Being beaten into a bloody pulp isn't safety. "finally the lack of school shootings" - In the US you're more likely to die from lighting strike than in a school shooting.
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  25903.  @HypnoticChronic1  The majority of A-10 missions in Desert Storm were Interdiction, I believe. Not Close Air Support. It's not a cherry picking. It's almost TWO DECADES of data during a period where the A-10 was most relevant. If the US spent the 2000s and 2010s fighting near-peer forces the A-10 would have stayed home. Basically, 2001 to the late 2010s was the best period for the A-10s combat record and you're calling that cherry picking? If anything, I am facilitating the pro-A-10 argument because when else has it been used prominently? Operation Allied Force? Almost 20 years of data are less of a cherry picking. "many of the air bases in Vietnam" - Vietnam was over 50 years ago. The US also operated inside South Vietnam, Thailand, etc. so the better comparison was Afghanistan. When you can't trust the locals you really shouldn't keep aircraft in the middle of nowhere. That's asking for ambushes. "That aside the A-10 is designed to make use of things like highways or potted runways as it has to worry less about debris intake in less than austere conditions, should we happen to go to war with specific Asian nation I feel pretty confident we are not going to enjoy uncontested air space" - My dude are you gonna fly A-10s across the Pacific to be stationed in island air bases with actual runways? There's sea. You can't use highways, you have water. Forget contested air space. Some ship is just gonna fire a SAM before the A-10 can get feet dry. "in reference to the low stall speed it permits the use of shorter runways" - Are you planning on using aerodromes? This would make sense if the US was an impoverished nation that can't afford proper air bases. "there is nothing fundamentally wrong with the design of the aircraft itself" - But there are issues: - Placement of engines limits upgrades. They have to fit a similar profile and weight. - The gun and ammo drum is so massive that you can't even remove it to save weight, it would unbalance the plane. - The airframe is built for slow speed when the "low and slow" dogma has been superseded by modern CAS doctrine.
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  25904.  @HypnoticChronic1  Pause. The numbers I cited were published in 2019. I said 11% of CAS from 2014 to 2019, the date of publishing. And 20% since 2001. 2001 to 2019 is 18 years. That's almost 20 years, and comfortably "spans two decades". It's not my problem if you misread my posts. I clearly said "since 2014" and then added the "since 2001" number. "Bagram was ostensibly located in the middle of nowhere and yet the USAF still used it" - Bagram is a massive airfield. I didn't mean "middle of nowhere" as in a remote location, I meant middle of nowhere as some backroad with ordnance and fuel trucks hiding in the bushes. Bagram may be remote, but you'd need a freaking battalion to assault it. It's fully staffed and secured. "first by assuming we would only be operating from the sea" - It's not even an assumption. Sea ops are required until an air bridge can secure an airfield in land. "one particular Asian nation of note which they are not fond of" - That doesn't narrow it down in Asia, they all hate each other. India wouldn't go for it and Taiwan still has a strait to cross. "not every nation has US standard runways or airbases in fact most don't outside of maybe international airports, so if we had to make use of those non standard runways then yes it would be beneficial to have aircraft whom could make use of them." - It's preferable to use a non-US standard airbase than freaking dirt roads. The A-10 capability to operate out of rough terrain makes it unique enough that it pretty much won't be used that way. We can't have high performance fighter jets and the rough field operations at the same time. It's better to compromise by deploying out of a subpar airbase than using roads or actual backroads. "I would ask why would you?" - Removing weight would increase performance. A thousand rounds is excessive and the 30mm cannon's job can be done by 25mm. Since most of the damage it can cause to MBTs only causes mission kills rather than full penetration, a smaller caliber can achieve the same. Its performance against IFVs, light armored vehicles and soft skinned vehicles would be essentially the same. If the majority of the work done by A-10s will be PGMs, and APKWS already does the job of a gun run from 5-6 miles away instead of 2000 feet, the GAU-8 is superfluous ballast. "but in uncontested and certainly in COIN circumstances I think the low and slow approach is beneficial" - CAS doctrine puts the weapons release in the hands of the JTAC. We know that the pilot can't be trusted no matter how slow and low he's flying next to friendlies. He's not allowed to go ham. The guys on the ground hold his hand. Because if he flies low and slow and tries to identify the enemy, he's gonna shoot at friendlies. "visible deterrent" - I am reminded of the Stargate quote. "This is a weapon of terror, it intimidates the enemy. This is a weapon of war. It kills the enemy."
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  25905.  @HypnoticChronic1  I said that the F-16 did 3x the CAS since 2014, then my comment 9 days ago said: "If we go back to 2001-2014 the A-10 did 20% of CAS". The 3x for the F-16 was 33% which in turn means the A-10 did 11%. "Maybe be more explicit in your meaning next time" - It shouldn't be necessary since the context was dispersed operations out of rough terrain. "Those non-US standard runways are often effectively "freaking dirt roads"" - They aren't. They're like in Ukraine where there's separate concrete pads instead of the spotless tarmac we see in the West. Though the taxiways in some Portuguese and Dutch air bases also have that concrete pad look. "airbases are often one of primary targets for either strikes" - And if you look at Russian strikes on Ukrainian airfields, a third of the missiles missed. "given that the A-10 was effectively built around the gun removing it would as you previously stated yourself here "The gun and ammo drum is so massive that you can't even remove it to save weight, it would unbalance the plane." and thus would hamper rather than improve performance" - That's my point. The A-10 has a very specific airframe that is held back by outdated thinking. While other aircraft have performance and we just bolt new tech and weapons into them, the A-10 is lugging unnecessary weight when it already has underpowered engines. And even if the engines were upgraded, the airframes have been flying since the 80s. They deserve a rest. "would you not want it to be something like the A-10" - The problem is opportunity costs. How many airframes can't be purchased because I'm maintaining A-10s? How many airframes are waiting on repairs because I have maintenance personnel trained on A-10s but not on F-35s? How many losses am I taking because the guys have to wait for the slower A-10? We're at the point the A-10s should be considered losses due to wear and tear and yet they're still pushed beyond the limit and forced to fly as Ships of Theseus with Boeing wings that cost two billion. The point was the quote, not the virtues of the P90. And hell, if the situation doesn't call for the use of ordnance, the F-135 engine is supposed to be the noisiest in the fighter jet business. I bet a show of force can rattle the fillings out of people's teeth.
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  25929.  @samething9376  I didn't say you said that. I simply asked you to apply the same logic. You're concern trolling about casualties, because you see the defender as having the moral responsibility to limit them, even though it's the aggressor who's firing the shells. There would have been ZERO war casualties had Putin not called for the invasion. It is a lot. Please think. The Russian Federation is losing a lot of valuable equipment and men. Even though these losses may seem sustainable, this "special military operation" is costing them men at rates seen in total wars. The munitions and fuel being spent are also depleting their stock. 10k dead and wounded in two weeks means 100k dead and wounded in two weeks versus a more capable adversary. The no-fly zone wouldn't do anything. There's essentially no middle-road here. The damage has been done. The only options are either instant capitulation or fight until defeat. The half-measure of giving up now will not bring back the dead. It will not rebuild Ukraine. Many of course want to return, but there will be nothing but exposed concrete and rubble waiting for them. You think surrender will make things get better, but they won't for several years. The homes, the roads, the bridges, the jobs won't be there. People will be refugees in their own country. And you're asking of them to just accept that. Roll over. The fact that the outcome is the same only reinforces the point - if the country is a wreck either way, might as well ask Russia to pay with the blood of their young men and the aluminum and steel of their war machines. The outcome will be the same for Ukraine. But it won't be the same for Russia. You're asking for Russia to get away scot free.
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  25930.  @samething9376  Oh yes, the usual "no solution" cope. Bad bosses love it, the workers can't call out bad decisions that everyone knows are bad, because they're not aware of better alternatives. Let's just drive off a cliff because nobody knows which way the destination is! Want to limit casualties? Russia stops attacking. Simple as. Surrender? Who said surrender? It's you who's denying the solution now! The murderer gets away scot free! The solution is easy, and you're actively supporting more strikes! The mask comes off, you have been concern trolling about casualties all along, like I predicted. The negotiations failed because Russia is demanding Ukraine to stop being a country. They turned it into rubble, and want to make sure it can't resist invasion again. The robber steals from your house. Then demands you can't change the lock or install an alarm. Yes, it's the home owner's fault this deal can't be made. It's out of the question to have peace? Oh, so Ukraine gets beaten into a bloody pulp, but can't even leave this fight humiliated and shake hands. It needs to submit even further. Out of the question, you say. Defeat isn't enough for you. I mean, Putin... You're clearly making excuses for the aggressor and pretending you want him to stop, while actively saying it's impossible to stop. It's not impossible, that's what China did after they invaded Vietnam in 1979. Their losses were unsustainable so they declared victory, said they had caused enough punitive damage and left. That's not fanfic. That's not universal world peace. It's the real world.
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  25931.  @samething9376  And you are waaaaay to emotionally attached to Putin's idea of might makes right. I gave plenty of retorts. I didn't say they "should" stop, I said they have the ability to stop this at any time. You blame the victim and refuse to blame the aggressor. "Well Ukraine should just stop existing" genius why didn't anyone think of that? Come on Ukrainians, just be Russia. You're saying Putin won't stop if you ask nicely, but then claim Ukraine's only option is to... ask Putin to stop. You defeated your own argument. You're admitting that surrender will not erase Ukraine's troubles. He will not stop by asking nicely. You're the one promoting the kumbaya fantasy that Russia will simply stop having an interest in a subjugated Ukraine. I'm promoting the harsh reality that Ukraine will only achieve satisfactory conditions by forcing Russia to pay in blood. This is not kumbaya. This is speaking the only language that you "might makes right" fools understand. The more power you give to force, the more you practically beg for force to be used against you. You asked for these rules. Now we will play by them. You think the victim should stop by asking nicely. Instead the victim focuses of making you bleed. Bad guys are bad. Which mean good guys should make them pay. In blood. Or else they won't stop. Bad guys won't stop being bad. They stop. When their heart stops. You are ignorant of what "concern trolling" is. I didn't call you a "troll". You don't understand what terms mean, that's fine, we're not born with all the knowledge. But learn. You have no complaint here. Your fanfic is that bad people will stop when asked nicely. You make the case that Russia won't stop, then say the solution is asking them for a timeout. All I'm saying is if Russia won't stop, Russia must bleed until it learns the lesson. You say might makes right and everyone else should cower, but you cower at the use of might and say that instead Russia should just be allowed to march into Kiev for a victory parade. You're the one writing the fanfic where the bad guy stops, even though your entire argument is based on bad people not being bad.
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  25999. @Hans comments disabled ahahah oh wow OP is a coward, thanks for putting pro-Nazi propaganda on my internet history you bitch. "You can't escape the natural laws" - natural laws allow you to escape from natural laws. "Things that are observed as a rule in nature are no naturalistic fallacy" - nature allows for contradictory observations, and mere observations can be affected by a huge number of possible biases (for example survivorship bias, you can make observations that are indeed correct but the conclusions being wrong). You're trying to justify your ideology with nature while vehemently ignoring all the instances where nature does not conform to your ideals. "but the foundation of science" - not really. Mere observation is not science. Look at Cesar Milan. He is famous for understanding dogs but his understanding of dogs comes from flawed observations of wolves in captivity. Therefore his knowledge is not scientific in the slightest because his hypothesis was never confirmed into theory and he never did the scientific work required to do so. Just like yours. "there is no right to win." - literally nobody said that. "If the cheetah wins the fight, the Gazelle can not claim some rights to life and liberty, because there is no one going to enforce that." - but if the gazelle had human understanding they would figure out a plan to take advantage of the fact that cheetahs can only sprint at full speed for a few seconds. They would entrap and kill the cheetahs to eliminate the danger and avenge the fallen. Fortunately they do not possess the level of understanding and rationality or else animals themselves would have upset the natural balances, but we do. Obviously I cannot jump off a cliff and argue with gravity I have a right to life. But my right to life postulates that once you break the unwritten contract and kill me, you have put up a bounty on yourself.
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  26006. @Hans "The question wasn't wether wars are a good thing or not, but how government spending saved the economy" - it didn't. Government spending did not save the economy, demand for American products and thus labour saved the economy. Spend without a demand and you'll be stuck in Hitler's position. "And no, decreasing GDP and stagnant spending is still no spending increase." - it is a relative increase. If you earn less money this month but keep your expenses the same, you're increasing the rate at which you're going bankrupt. "The point wasn't to replicate the 50's" - by claiming that the 1950's had levels of prosperity that are desirable you are indeed pointing to certain conditions you defend being the determining factor by that prosperity. Except that they aren't. "The point was that since WWII there hasn't been a depression again" - but there have been. "because government spending went up and created the most prosperous age in the American history." - it didn't. The most prosperous age had to do with the fact that the rest of the world was either broke or in shambles. You can't ignore the most important factor behind the 1950's economic situation and attribute sole responsibility to government policy. "If government is so bad, why hasn't the standard of living and the economy collapsed since then." - cost has decreased and quality increased in the sector controlled by the free market while government-controlled housing, education and healthcare are in shambles. "And thus your libertarian ideology also economically debunked. " - pretentious and fallacious. Also, the Nazis lost and don't control any government. Nazism debunked lol get fucked kraut lover
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  26007. @Hans "So your argument would be irrelevant, since sooner or later Europe and Japan did recover from the war." - and behold, the US loss some relevancy in the worldwide economic plan and hit quite a few speedbumps. It's almost like things aren't as good as in the 1950's, huh? "If big government would be really so bad as you Libertarians claim, why this period of big government has become the most prosperous and economically stable period in modern human history?" - the US has been losing prosperity. "Do you notice how you switched from "the New Deal was a disaster"" - I didn't. I'm just working with what you people have been giving me. ""but this economic miracle that was created in this period of massive government spending is not too blame on this massive government spending"" - yeah and I have this rock and there's no tigers around me, so clearly this rock repels tigers. It's not an economic miracle that the US bombed the absolute fuck out of the rest of the world and then became the leading industry for a few decades until Zee Germans, post-Mao China and the land of the rising sun caught up. That's not a miracle, that's a logical result. ""but only the private sector did prosper" ???" - way to miss the point. What I said is that we're living in a world where technology is getting more and more accessible despite of the fact that it's extremely complex and cost-intensive to produce due to how the free market works. But things like houses, which are relatively simple and we have been building for millennia are becoming more and more difficult to own. Our prosperity is tied to the fact that trinkets and creature comforts are extremely cheap, to the point the poor in America can afford a car, A/C and a smartphone. But break a leg and you won't be able to afford the hospital bill. Our actual living conditions are decreasing in comparison to previous generations. "Also you coming up with this ridiculous demand argument. Guess what? That demand was created by government first" - Hitler tried that and he entered an economic bubble. He needed war or else he would have to stop producing war material and send people home. Creating demand by government is the assbackwards way of doing it. "The Nazis were defeated militarily, not economically." - are you fucking kidding me? The Nazis were defeated economically through and through. Not only were their oil reserves insufficient to win and depended on the capture of Russian oil fields to have a chance of winning (they were pushed back before they could restore the Russian oil equipment into working condition) but they also depended on foreign alloys such as Swedish steel and Portuguese tungsten. Most of German's losses can be attributed to logistical factors, such as their inability to use Russian railroads and their dependence on horses.
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  26022.  @oh_nur  The people quote unquote in denial are keeping you alive. Let's see you survive in a world where they stop working too. How long will you survive locked inside your home, with no food, heat or water? Thought leaders? You mean TV and politicians? You independent self, you came to your own conclusions without any suggestion or instruction... We've had collective action. It failed. Either shit or get off the pot. Doubling down on failure isn't acceptable. You haven't started the process over. You're simply doubling down and asking for a repeat of the same failed policies that KILLED people through second and third order effects. If you're comparing breathing to drunk driving you're completely off the rocker. Prior to man standing up for the first time in history pathogens already existed. And they will keep existing after we go extinct. If your argument is that living your life causes the same peril as hurling down a metallic weapon that's over one ton at 60mph down the street I suggest you either reevaluate or just follow down your thought to its ultimate conclusion. If you truly believe your breath is moral danger to others, feel free to address that concern. I will not follow you down that path. And then you mention breaking analogies as if you haven't just accused people who aren't even infected of creating so much danger they're the equivalent to one to two ton cannon balls speeding into minivans full of children. Your own overlords, sorry I meant thought leaders, said the mask didn't work which created doubt. Then they said they did, but you could wear any piece of cloth. Now they're back to saying they're theater and you really need N95 ones. Washing hands? Are you listening to yourself? First, I already washed my hands before because I'm not a maniac and second, touching surfaces is a much less prevalent form of transmission. You're here doubling down on what didn't work and giving us the same spiel as in March 2020. We did that. Give us something new.
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  26028.  Eastern fence Lizard  "The rich people who have done this to us have personal chefs and people to grocery shop for them" - This is a massive cope. If it took chefs and assistants to be healthy, then obesity rates would be 99%. Clearly, there's plenty of people who can cook and shop no matter the income level. Trump has been out of office for almost a year and you're still letting him live rent free in your head. There's so many out of shape rich people it actually debunks your argument. "almost no one succeeds long term" - Doesn't need to be long term, only until the coof is finally endemic and becomes the common cold. "Expecting this to change overnight and somehow have foreknowledge of the pandemic in order to address it before it hits is not at all reasonable." - We had foreknowledge. You people called us racist conspiracy theorists for saying something was happening in Wuhan. Either way, if a disease threatens you with death and you can't change overnight... again that seems like a personal problem. Why should I suffer? "Losing weight and keeping it off basically means changing everything about being an American" - No, it doesn't. "Do you really think people are going to just stop eating foods they have been eating all their lives, to stop playing addictive video games or binge watching Netflix?" - Excuses. You can do that and still not put on weight. It's called moderation. It's called not overeating. Listen to yourself. So if danger of lung cancer is looming, you're really going to argue you're not going to stop smoking because you've been doing it all your life?
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  26056.  @limabravo6065  First of all, the F-22 is an air-breathing engine aircraft. Not a rocket. At the altitude the balloons were, the F-22 would be pushing through the service ceiling. For controlled flight you need thrust and lift. When you fly through thin air you lose lift which forces you to fly faster, but thinner air has less oxygen to burn with the fuel, so you lose power. Hitting the bits does nothing. Hitting the solar panel wouldn't do anything to a balloon that would still be carried by the wind. A refund on the plane for what? You're using an argument from incredulity, which is not a real argument. It's a fallacy. I don't care if you don't believe in the physics of flight. The aircraft doesn't exist to please your cartoonish fantasies of what fighter aircraft do. There's no such thing as cheap bullets in air combat. Your pilot cost more than a million bucks to train, and the aircraft costs several Gs per hour to run. And you're trying to save money by using the cannon? The debris fly off and your 220 million dollar aircraft ingests the bits through the intakes, busting the engines and forcing the pilot to ditch the aircraft. Suddenly those cheap bullets became seriously expensive. The cargo plane does orbits and shoots at the ground. Gravity helps. The Japanese had trouble shooting down B-29 Superfortresses and made heavy fighters with cannons angled upward so that they didn't have to climb as much. Still didn't work. To fire a cannon at an air target, especially when fighting gravity, you need to be within a few thousand feet. If you got more questions I can lecture you on air combat all day.
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  26066.  @jimfarmer7811  Do you think ATGMs teams will just stand by while infantry and IFVs take out the anti-tank missileer crews? Every weapon in warfare has its counter. The best option is operating where there's no enemy radar presence at all. Second best is destroying the radar. Third best is suppressing it. If you know there are radar contacts in the area, SEAD cover will lob HARM missiles which are automatically programmed to pitch up and use their rocket burn to gain altitude. As they tip over, the seeker is on. At the moment of firing, SEAD flight will announce a "Magnum!" call on radio. SAM operators will both see the HARM in flight and hear the radio call, prompting them to shut down the emitter. If they're skilled. If they're not, they'll just hear a large bang outside and the radar goes offline. This gives a minute or two of radar suppression. When the radar turns back on, SEAD flight will again fire another HARM and announce the firing on radio to make sure he is heard. Another minute or two of radar suppression. Just like that, the SEAD flight gave the aircraft doing the attack run 2-4 minutes to take care of the job. "You have to use combined arms to win a war." "You need to use the A-10s as ground support" - That's like saying you have to use M60s or else it's not combined arms. You have infantry, IFVs, artillery, air support and Abrams, but because there's no M60s it's not combined arms. "The A-10s can orbit" - They can't. Aircraft don't orbit in Ukraine. They fly in, drop payload, fly back out. The clock is ticking and you have SECONDS to make it out alive. Those who don't... we have the video of them either ejecting or losing their lives. The footage is widely distributed and you're denying it. "They would sweep in with fire and forget weapons" - They can't. The fire and forget weapons require line of sight, which means flying above the horizon to scout and acquire targets. They would sweep in, spend several minutes using the pod to look for enemies, and then not get to launch or return because a missile brought them down. They would need to spent time over the enemy to look for their positions on a 8 inch screen. It is suicide. I'd rather give them the weapons that put them in the least risk.
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  26293.  @Valorius  Kills are still visually confirmed after the fact. Yeah, tanks don't have gopros. But a kill doesn't have to be filmed "live" to go on record, it can be observed later. How many HESH rounds does Ukraine employ? T-64s, T-72s and T-80s use the 125mm smoothbore gun with APFSDS and HEAT rounds. The HEF is essentially the anti-personnel round and would not be used except in very last resort. As we have learned from WWII, tank on tank kills aren't the primary cause for tank losses. So three out of five? HESH isn't even in service in Ukrainian tanks. HEF would not be used. So in the end it's 1 out of 5 for the KE rounds which won't see that much use because tank on tank slugfests are really bad for both sides. RPGs are the "majority", but that's because of low cost. Ukrainians aren't sprinting across open fields to get within 250m of armored vehicles and firing. They're lobbing artillery shells from 10km away. They're dropping grenades on top from remote control drones. They're setting highly effective guided missiles like the Stugna-P, laying AT mines, and when push comes to shove Javelins and NLAWS. Trying to use RPG-7s in open fields is suicidal and they're best used if vehicles walk into ambushes or move into urban areas. The RPG-7 might be the most "common" weapon in inventory, but it's not the main threat. Walking around with bags of rocks expecting hordes of men to sprint with RPG-7s on their backs is delusional. It's artillery shelling that will kill you. It's drones that will kill you. Not RPG-7s.
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  26309.  @TDMFAN  "you cry about one of the sources being a co-op organisation" - No, I merely pointed out that in a very surface level exposé on co-ops, the paper is literally published by a promoter of co-ops business. "it'd be like me moaning about Economics professors praising Capitalism, 'b-b-buh it's in their interest!!1'" - But there's multiple schools of economics. The real analogy would be a paper touting the superiority of Austrian economics published by a department that is ran by Austrians. Come the fuck on. "sell them your labour for less than the value you're actually producing" - This is nonsense, but it pretty much requires its own thread. When someone else owns the means of production, you cannot even start to produce that value unless you access said means. The only way to solve this conundrum is the easy way out and take an anti-property stance. To which many people will say, to hell with that. "Fact is that the majority of people want to be their own boss or at the very least have a say in how the business they work for runs" - But consider that the majority doesn't want the responsibility of being in that position. If you're the boss, your neck is on the line. You're the manager that Karen is going to be calling all the time. Look, of course people want a say on how the business runs. I have seen some of the dumbest decisions being made by people in managing positions. The beautiful part is that when I get complaints I can say "it's the rules coming from above" and never get in trouble. Allow me to make decisions, and suddenly I have to make calls that can affect the business and face the consequences. I can work with decisions that make the business less efficient, but I can't work having to second-guessing everything I do. My heart will give out before my mid 30s if that's how I have to live my day. "as opposed to if the workers - who actually know what's going on" - HA! I don't know shit, my dude. I know what's "going on" in a limited area around me, and that's a perspective that bureaucrats lack, but I also don't know whatever the fuck is happening right outside my attention, what's going on at different departments, I don't know what's going on at marketing, IT, in the warehouse or even the distributor level. Your pretend world where the gentle laborer is omniscient about all aspects of business and has an accurate perspective that allows him to make better decisions is simply as untrue as bureaucrats having any idea what goes on at the ground level. "'Going under' is completely irrelevant dude. Businesses will always go under as the market dictates." - So, one of the metrics used in the studies you posted to argue that co-ops are slightly more efficient than conventional businesses... doesn't matter? "you seem awfully eager to defend pointless hierarchy in businesses" - It's only pointless when you don't understand business. Let me put it this way. A soldier might be on the battlefield, but it doesn't mean he has the vision to command an entire army. You can claim a general is a dipshit because he's back in a safe position while ordering troops around, but the hierarchy sure as shit isn't pointless when compared to having a 35 ASVAB scoring 18 year old infantryman trying to lead a war. "you've been duped by the LIKES OF Shapiro" - Shapiro isn't even the first to "defend" hierarchies (I don't even know if he ever debated such a concept) or have a unique take on capitalism. If I have been duped, it had to be by the way I was raised, personal observation and my time in college attempting to get a degree. To think that people think differently because of one man (whoever he is) is such a dismissive, shitty thing to argue. I don't like the analogy because it sounds infantilizing, but just because there's shitty parents and parents who forgot how it was like to be a child, it doesn't mean we need to uproot families and put kids in charge of the household. "say that worker-coops and flat organisation wasn't any more or less efficient than other models of organisation, what's the point in not doing them then?" - I never said we shouldn't. You confuse opposition to a claim of superiority with complete disbelief in the concept.
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  26311.  @TDMFAN  "Not sure how it's difficult to get that it wasn't the co-op organisation doing the research itself" - Then there's no need to point to the organization when they have done none of the work. "So basically Capitalism is the OG 'Coomies promising utopia but ultimately failing to deliver," - We're reaching levels of rationalization that shouldn't be possible. Capitalism always existed. It's like evolution. It didn't get "invented" by Darwin. "Yes but if you're in a worker-coop, then you share that responsibility along with any financial liabilities - so instead of a business going bust and one person losing, say, $1 million - ten people like $100,000 each." - Buddy, I don't have the financial structure to lose 100k like that. "An easily assigned role, or people can even take turns. It's not often bosses actually engage with customers, moreso lower management who do that." - You don't understand my point. You're responsible for the choices you make. So when the choice you've made in the interest of the business collides with the interests of the customer, something's gotta give. If your choices were "best for business" but ended up blowing back with negative customer response you're the one damaging the company. You're bringing the heat away from the bureaucrats and making workers face the negative consequences of mismanagement. "Except that won't stop you from copping the abuse." - I'm the one abusing customers by ignoring what they say and repeating that I'm just following orders. It's like the Nuremberg trials except I'm winning. "If you're in a worker-coop, then you'll be able to brainstorm ideas together" - Too slow, leads to contradicting decisions. "you could have someone in the coop who has studied business management and so on whose duty it is to do all that stuff for you" - So the solution for effective co-ops is to have people who studied to become bureaucrats making choices for the workers. "...this might blow your mind dude, but the people who know what's going on in those other departments are co-workers" - And this might blow your mind, but they're ignorant about everything else that isn't on their department as well. "I get it dude, you PERSONALLY just want to cruise by not advancing in any way." - lmao I bring up how unrealistic your ideas are and you make this personal again. "Obviously in flat organisations and worker-coops, the workers/worker-owners have ALREADY learned all this." - But that isn't the case. Like I mentioned several posts ago, co-ops include companies with defined hierarchical structures. A worker isn't expected to learn anything, he is simply allowed a vote on who gets to be the manager. "I guess we can't all be willing to improve ourselves" - That's the thing. My self-improvement is completely unrelated to how I make a living. It's amazing that the one criticizing capitalism is the one trying to make "you're not willing to pull yourself up by the bootstraps" into an insult. My self-improvement does not match whatever companies or society wants. Meanwhile you see self-improvement as a rat race. "If a market dies then any business involved in it will die too. As I said, there's other forms of efficiency which I was referring to. Why you've chosen to focus on that particular one is beyond me." - Because... that's the metric that makes co-ops look better??? The whole reason you linked me the studies??? "Shit I guess that's why we keep having to bail out big businesses in order to keep the global economy afloat... those amazing generals man." - Nice strawman. Next time argue that the soldier can indeed lead an army or just skip ahead and take the L. "If we actually sat back and let big businesses collapse" - You mean... CAPITALISM???? "Oh and boy, has this SARS 2.0 thing done some amazing work at setting the stage or what?" - Are you kidding me? It destroyed small businesses while allowing massive corporations to be the only ones remaining open for business. "there's nothing preventing workers from learning how to replace upper management" - Except for natural disadvantages, there isn't. "I mean yeah, superior efficiency. Demonstrated." - Except you didn't, and the way it was better demonstrated was by a small difference in the percentage of businesses that go under every year, which you said that doesn't even matter.
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  26353. +Koekenzopie "you're not from America but you sound like you are so I'm going to pretend you're American" yeah that's good logic bud. "And looking at the mass shootings in the US by the peasants, that thought saved many lives" mass shooters don't get carry permits. They don't get licensed to carry guns because they'll only have to carry ONCE. Did the Bataclan shooters get permits? Did the Charlie Hebdo shooters get permits? Did the Utoya shooter get permits? Did the Cumbria shootings guy get a permit? My point is that the state deems that some lives are worth protecting, others aren't. Guess which category you belong to. The state sees you as cattle "Just like speeding on a highway is only allowed by people who received proper training and only use it when necessary" that's a poor analogy because 90% of the cars on sale are able to speed over the limit by just flooring the throttle. You're able to own the means to speed, but trusted not to do harm with it. "US people shoot each other" You didn't clarify this. You just compared European terrorism to an unspecified statistic. Either way, I assumed the EU population to be 510 million and the average homicide rate as 2.69 per 100,000 people (stat by NationMaster, number dates to 2004). The math gives me 13719 homicides in the European Union in the same time frame those Americans gunned each other down. Congratulations, here in the EU we shot, stabbed, bludgeoned, asphyxiated, etc each other to death an estimated 14 thousand times. By your logic, it doesn't seem a safe space no more. "So a sane person prefers 11,000 murders in 50 years instead of 11,000 in one year" You're comparing terrorism in 50 years to straight up homicide. We've had 14 thousand homicides in the same time period. Higher population, but if you look at it the difference is minimal so the whole "preference" argument doesn't make any sense. And most of that homicide in the US happens within disputed blocks in large city gang warfare (many of those cities also have strict gun control). Unless you're in a gang selling drugs in specific areas of specific cities you're not likely to get shot. "So the point I'm making which any person in any other developed country already knows, US homicide rates is ridicously high" Not really. It's about two times as high as the average in the EU if I'm not mistaken. You want to see ridiculous? Brazil, Mexico, etc. The United States has a lot more in common with those countries than Denmark, Finland, Belgium, Netherlands... You look at some American cities and they're shitholes virtually indistinguishable from South America, except for the lack of jungle. And projects instead of favelas. But it's just as violent, poor as shitty as the neighboring countries. "And it will always stay ridicously high since they refuse to do anything about it." well legalizing drugs would curb a lot of homicide but what else would they do? There's millions of criminals who don't know how to do anything but be a criminal, sell drugs, and shoot people who sell drugs for another gang. Cities like Chicago have hundreds of shootings and these criminals are to blame. What else are they going to do? Life in prison? They're overcrowded. Drugs can't be stopped, gangs can't be stopped. The more you try to stop them the more violence. Doing anything about guns wouldn't have effects from centuries, there's 300 million guns in the US, criminals would never run out of guns to use. In Europe we don't have a border with Mexico, the US has one. In the US the drugs and cartels cross the border and bring their problems. How would the US do something about it? Trump's wall? They have drug smuggling boats and submarines. They can dig tunnels.
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  26503.  @martymatic3575  But did he? Or is this just a baseless accusation? A right to own a piece of property isn't the right to end someone's life. That's like saying the right to have a penis is the right to commit sexual assault. Please think twice before posting such nonsense. You live in a free society? Rule of law? Since when? It's been 20 years since 9/11 and that's 20 years of more and more freedoms eroded away after the War on Terror started. Cops get bad training everywhere. You think your cops are trained? You'd be surprised. If the price of going into space is that my phone has to be listened to, my movements tracked, my banking transactions monitored, etc etc etc etc etc, you can keep your space exploration. The juice is not worth the squeeze. The Wild West was safer than you think, it wasn't like in the movies. I've been using my voice. It's people like you who try to shut me up. It's the crabs in the bucket model, the state doesn't even need to silence me, they have millions of people who try to silence others. How would they not accomplish that? The fact that you're trying to discourage it only makes it seem more viable. I'm going to get killed by the army? So having an army willing to kill me already justifies my stance. You'd rather flee? To where? Most developed countries are in lock step with each other. How would you even board a flight? Do you know where you'd get modern forged IDs? You may want to spend the rest of your life on the run. But that's all you'll do. Run. When people in the future ask why things are the way they are, the answer will be because the people who could have stopped it decided to run. They delayed the inevitable for themselves. But one day they got old and died and didn't care to leave a future behind.
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  26634.  @matttaylor6500  "Comparing 3rd world countries to the US is a little far fetched." - take a look at San Francisco requiring poop patrols to clean up the literal shit and needles left in the streets. Look at Flint, MA where the corrupt government was telling people the brown water filled with rust and lead was safe to drink. You think it's far fetched? "Canada has reasonable gun restrictions" - no, they don't. You can own a Vz.58 but AKs are on the Prohibited class and very difficult to own and shoot recreationally. Also, maybe this has been changed but rifles have 5 round limits, however you could buy magazines for a .50 Beowulf AR pistol, which can hold 10 rounds. The .50 Beowulf caliber was designed to fit inside AR magazines so you can get that magazine and fill with with almost 30 rounds. The RCMP are a bunch of crybabies who constantly wake up butthurt from the fact that Canadians can own guns (GASP!) and they throw temper tantrums by reclassifying legal weapons as Prohibited and sending letters to gun owners telling them to turn them in. They have a massive stick up their ass and getting out of bed in the morning must really sting so they take out their frustrations on LEGAL Canadian gun owners. "we didn't have 337 mass shootings last year" - the mass shooting tracker is a fucking joke. https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2015/12/no-there-were-not-355-mass-shootings-this-year/ https://www.vox.com/2015/12/4/9849390/mass-shootings-count Even liberal outlets call out the mass shooting tracker claiming >300 mass shooting per year. "Australia banned guns after a mass shooting, no more mass shootings" - AUSTRALIA DID NOT BAN GUNS - THEY JUST PASSED AN UNGODLY AMOUNT OF RESTRICTIONS AND RIGHT AFTER THAT MONASH UNIVERSITY HAD A SHOOTING THAT ONLY LEFT 3 DEAD SO IT DOESN'T COUNT AS A MASS SHOOTING EVEN THOUGH THERE WAS AN ATTEMPT. AS A RESULT THEY HAD TO PASS EVEN MORE RESTRICTIONS, PROVING CLEARLY THAT THE POST-PORT ARTHUR LAWS WERE NOT THE CATALYST FOR MASS SHOOTING PREVENTION. It's also proof that as soon as the US passes more gun control ANOTHER tragedy will occur and you people will AGAIN force gun control down everyone's throat even though we already gave you what you wanted. Since the 2000's Australian gun owners essentially replaced the guns they gave up after Port Arthur and there' no major issues to report so clearly it's not the guns. Also New Zealand stopped having mass shootings in the 90's and they didn't pass gun control like in Australia.
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  26717.  @yarnpower  "Tax cuts meant less income for the federal govt." - but that's false. Tax revenue actually increased. In 1980 receipts were 517k Million dollars, 1981-599k M, 1982-617k M, 1983-600k M, 1984-666k M, 1985-734k M, 1986-769k M, 1987-854k M, 1988-909k M. The income actually grew, in fact almost doubled. "so they in turn had less to send back to each state" - not only is the premise that the government was taking less tax income false, but even if that was true that doesn't cause tuition to rise. States could easily bump sales, property or income tax. I want some documentation proving that state governments all together decided to increase tuition as a tax collection scheme because there have to be meetings on record and bills passed that put this theory on paper. "Private colleges then felt free to raise their rates." - that doesn't even make sense. If state college becomes more expensive for factors unrelated to private schools then they get a boost in enrollment. That could explain a slight increase in tuition costs simply because demand is higher than the supply - more students trying to join than a college can accommodate - but it wouldn't explain a 1000 percent increase over the last few decades. Are the states still trying to cover up a budget hole after all these years? Please come to your senses. Are private colleges still in a race to the top with states trying to raise an infinite amount of taxes by bumping tuition costs? Or does the existence of laws that make banks profit off excessive loans create a spike in demand that allows the supply side to keep increasing prices?
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  26723.  @BeanCounterProductions  The high barrier to entry is artificially kept high. Insurance companies don't charge whatever the hell they want. They're the ones coughing up the money. The providers charge whatever they want. Insurance companies negotiate with them to lower prices. If you look at the profit margins on insurance companies, they're reasonably thin. That's because the vast majority of the dough is going to overpaid doctors and a managerial class sitting in board rooms. Hybrid systems are never hybrid. A lot of European countries have those. You're still paying for the public system if you want the private option. To add insult to injury, often the private sector is being paid by the state to provide services. So you're paying for your healthcare, everyone else's healthcare, and in the end the money circled back to the private provider you chose anyway. What a mess. The massive markups are created by a) Big Pharma and b) the tremendous cost of running healthcare in the US. In the US becoming a doctor is more expensive and laborious/time consuming, it's also a much more sue-happy country. In other nations you don't see the huge profits in the pharma business because it's essentially kept out of sight and out of mind when the state pays and subsidies most things. So your little theory doesn't work unless you tell the AMA to frig off and kick universities in the balls. Doctors get knocked down a peg, they're now cheaper to train and employ at the cost of them being worse academics but probably not worse doctors. Probably. You also need to severely gut medical patents and - this is going to sound radical - promote more safety in medical trials by reducing the punitive aspect of lawsuits against Big Pharma. Right now it seems the winning tactic is to push expensive drugs to as many people as possible to cover the costs of lawsuits and payouts. We should reverse that. As a former liberal, I understand where you're coming from but you don't get everything for nothing. There's no magic "we can be more cost-effective" crap. Want to be cost effective? This means slashing spending. And nobody wants to be out of a chair when the music stops playing. Nobody wants to be the side that's going to get the money tap turned off.
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  26724.  @BeanCounterProductions  That's a bad faith argument. You do realize that medical practices existed before large hospitals did, right? Do you require a MRI every time you go to the hospital? I specifically pointed to doctors being overpaid and a managerial class INSIDE THE HOSPITAL and you blamed it on insurance companies. Insurance companies skim off the top. Board rooms make the big bucks. Don't twist words in your favor, it just looks bad. It's levied against everything else. Public roads are a mess and totally mismanaged but that's beside the point, private roads are not a good comparison. A better comparison would be small ISPs versus big companies being paid to provide for rural areas. There's private operators of small ISPs which get fiber connections to towers and then use radio to cover the last leg in rural areas. Meanwhile large corporations get millions from the local governments to provide ADSL coverage for a higher cost than small ISPs do. Security guards do not have the power of law enforcement. Again, a bad comparison. "when there is market inefficiencies as a result of profit incentives" - Market inefficiency from requiring doctors to be overeducated? The market wants cheap doctors. "we can be more cost effective" - By removing hurdles from the market? Sure. But that's not your magic hybrid system at play. That's just removing hurdles and making things easier and thus less costly. "The US currently spends more per capita on healthcare than the UK does. The only explanations for this are either that the corporations we should be bringing in line are charging insane markups or that the countries with similar rates of lifestyle issues have their citizens magically more expensive to treat in the US." - It's not magic, it's simply expenses. The NHS essentially having doctors employed as public servants allows costs to be cut. This has the effect of public systems losing good doctors to private practice because they feel underpaid, or difficulties in assigning doctors to rural areas because most don't think the money is worth living in the middle of nowhere. Everything's a balancing act.
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  26815.  @SuperSupermanX1999  I said you can create a fucking bloodbath with bladed weapons, not that it is "more effective". You either don't bother to read or you don't bother to tweak your pre-written arguments. "why do we send soldiers to Afghanistan armed with rifles rather than machetes?" - that is completely nonsensical considering the argument at hand. We're talking about going to a place like an office building or a school and attacking people who have no means of self-defense. The Taliban have means of self-defense not limited to rifles and machine guns but also mortars, rockets, etc. "“if we take away guns then criminals will have to use less effective tools” which, in the grand scheme of things, is a trade off I’m perfectly happy to accept if it means fewer people dying" - there's several problems with that argument: 1) You cannot guarantee less people dying. The Sagamihara massacre in 2016 left 19 dead and 23 injured which is very comparable to the American shootings in terms of casualties. You mentioned machetes a whole ago and I can't stop thinking about the Rwandan genocide, in which not only government-armed groups were killing people but civilians took bladed weapons and committed atrocities without needing access to a gun. Hell, one of the worst mass killings in the US was the Happy Land fire, which killed 87 people and only took a can of petrol and a lit match. 2) Not only are the "less effective" methods pretty fucking effective, you also can't disarm criminals. By definition they do not obey the law, not even gun laws. But even assuming that wasn't true your "trade off" is pretty disgusting because you're essentially giving the power to the criminals as long as they don't hurt us as much. It's the "peaceful slavery" over "dangerous freedom" argument, who cares about criminals still doing whatever they want to us as long as they do it at a lower rate. Mind that it's not going to happen at a lower rate. But in terms of principle it's completely wrong. It's the innocent self-punishing hoping that criminals will lower their crime rate.
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  26825.  The Badman  because the towers "easily" supported the impact, the tower was designed to take severe wind loads (every once in a while the East Coast gets big storms) and even a plane due to the possibility of an airplane trying to land in fog getting lost (although I think it was designed to hold up against an impact of a plane of a smaller size). I'm gonna try to explain something about engineering - we make things with a margin of safety. And when people are involved, the liability involved with the loss of human lives requires those margins to be pretty high. So when the planes impacted the towers, one lost I think around 15% of the wall beams and another lost around 20% of the wall beams. But, the walls were designed if I remember correctly to take 40% of the load while the core of the building was designed to take 60% of the load (in fact in one of the collapse videos you can see to core sticking out of the smoke because that part of the structure was stronger). So while the buildings had pretty much one face taken out of the equation most of the load was still placed on the cores, and even assuming that one of the faces of the building did not held up to the impact you still had the other 3 faces of the building carrying the remaining 40% of the weight. Back to margins, when the building was designed they figured, assume that the building is filled with the weight of all the people, offices and elevators and now assume that it's going to suffer hurricane winds. How strong does the building need to be to hold up? You then figure out how many beams/how thick each beam is to support that load. The engineering team then says, okay now make it twice as strong. That means the hypothetical project I made had a factor of safety of two. When the planes crashed, they're mostly made out of aluminum so while the steel got bent and junctions broke off, the plane was heavily damaged and shredded itself on impact. It was like a huge shotgun blast going off inside the building, which tore off fire insulation from the struts and pushed the contents of the office into corners, meanwhile fuel was sprayed everywhere and stuff caught on fire. If the fires were put out the building could have actually been repaired and it would be still standing to this day, because workers could have gone in over the following months and cut off and replaced the damaged steel. But the heat made the horizontal steel sag. The horizontal steel beams were connected to the outside wall and the core. By sagging, the steel started pulling on the walls. This is seen right before collapse, there's sections that should be straight on the WTC 1 and 2 walls but they started bending inwards because they were connected horizontally to beams that were being pulled down. You'd think that the top of the building should have tipped over like a tree being cut but what brought the towers down was not cutting action. It was the side walls that were pulled from the inside until they snapped. When they snapped the building was unable to hold the weight of the top section and gravity pulls things straight down. When a tree is brought down they deliberately weaken one of the sides so that the tree follows that direction and doesn't kill the lumberjack. When the towers came down there was no "weakened" side to make it tip over, it lost support on the whole 4 sides at roughly the same time. You see the top tipping a little when the collapse begins but gravity isn't pulling it sideways, it's pulling things down. It also didn't drop from the bottom, this can be seen on videos shot from the ground. The bottom is waiting, rock solid, while hundreds of tons of building crash into it. Videos from above do make it seem the bottom of the building is collapsing under it but video shot from the ground makes it clear. If you look at controlled demolitions videos you'll hear explosions going off like Chinese firecrackers but with thousands times the power. They're compromising all the structure simultaneously. The reports of loud bangs do not match controlled demolitions. There would be also traces of detcord spread all over New York and the beams would have had the copper from the linear cutting charges fused to them. There were so many firemen and rescue personnel on the scene, they would have been able to grab some evidence.
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  26829.  The Badman  I'm not sure about Silverstein. The fact is that all-risk coverage before 2001 often included terrorism in their commercial clauses because the assumption was that events of terrorism were so rare that insurers would put that on the contract. In 1993 the WTC suffered a terrorist attack and the insurers paid. After 9/11 he did manage to get them to pay for two terrorist attacks but they still only awarded 4.5 billion with the NY Port Authority having to cover the other 3 billion to rebuild. The story that he made a huge profit... hmmmm it's not like I would put it past him but the story doesn't make sense once you put it into context: he ended up losing money, the insurance policy was actually taken 2 months in advance and the WTC was highly profitable. Before the attacks it was at 98% occupancy, the mall was one of the most profitable in America and the "windows on the world" was the highest grossing restaurant. "Controlled demos the buildings ''fall from the bottom''" - okay but the WTC 1 and 2 fell from the top. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bMZ-nkYr46w 3:04 the bottom of the building is not moving. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qLShZOvxVe4 from another angle 1:02 no movement in the bottom 2:03 again you see the top section coming down while there's no movement in the bottom. "so it does not impact the surrounding areas" - but it did... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WSQYOq71io8 6:45 if it was a controlled demolition then it was the worst ever considering how many buildings it damaged. The Marriott Hotel was destroyed, the Verizon building suffered heavy damage (but the masonry facade protected the internal structure), etc. The Deutsche bank suffered so much damage it had to be taken apart despite not collapsing. When there's a controlled demolition they set off small charges that weaken the building so that it can come apart. Then they blow the load bearing struts to take away the support, the building crashes into the ground, since the building is weakened it crumbles floor by floor and you see the building "vanishing" into the ground with a cloud of dust forming at the bottom. The WTC 1 and 2 did not have that first sequence of weakning charges and when it started coming down you see that the bottom stands, but the top of the building is coming down. The smoke cloud formed on the top floors crashing into the bottom section and accompanied the crash, didn't form at the floor level. Again, in WTC 7 the firemen heard creaking sounds at 2:00, started evacuating at 3:00 and let the fires burn until it collapsed at 5:20. If the firemen predicted that fires would bring the building down why were explosives used 3 hours and 20 minutes later?
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  26947.  @oolong2  How super close? Binding to ACE2 isn't new, in fact papers have been published about viruses that did that. They serve as a good starting point, though. How many of these natural viruses are shown to be highly infectious in ferrets and minks too? Either way, that still doesn't reconcile how the pandemic seemingly started when most bats species are hibernating. Or how out of the vast swath of land where bats live, the epicenter was in the same city as a BSL-4 lab. Lab staffed by none other than Shi Zhengli, who was in contact with Ralph Baric, a researcher who in 2015 published his creation of a chimeric virus. Same Ralph Baric who in the University of North Carolina signed for the reception of vaccine candidates from Moderna in the 12th of December 2019. Same Ralph Baric who was told by Peter Daszak to not sign the open letter to avoid suspicion, but went public anyway and was interviewed by the media early on, when he said that we should be more worried about the flu. Damage control. It's not conjecture. It's inference. You want me to believe that one in a million genetic sequences show up on this virus, and it pops up in the same city that has a lab studying bat coronavirus rather than in hundreds of other cities. You better buy lottery tickets son, because you're more likely to win than this being true. You mean to tell me that a lab that was not allowed to be investigated for almost a year has no links? Even criminals can wash their clothes. You're trying to convince me a criminal can get off scot free simply because he remembered to send his stuff to the dry cleaner.
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  27173.  @mikemurray2027  But they'd be better paid and have better care in other countries. What does it matter if the US has the wealth if they are not going to get a cut of it? If you were Iraqi, would you seriously think "yes Americans killed my family and destroyed my home, I will move there and work for under minimum wage and no healthcare because that's where the wealth is". Do you think this makes any sense at all? "you can't deny that there is US aggression against the countries these poor people are fleeing from, nor can you deny they are fleeing." - Weird way to frame the discussion. Of course I can't deny it, I'm also against US imperialism and foreign intervention. That doesn't mean I can't question the logic I'm being fed, especially when it suspiciously lines in with establishment talking points. "If you maintain they are coming to the promised land of the USA" - Why is it a promised land? "why then are they fleeing other capitalist countries that are allies of the USA" - Don't see how this makes the US a people magnet. "whose leaders have been installed by the USA" - Still don't see how this attracts people. "whose economic and social policies have been forced on them by the USA" - Still not seeing how this attracts people. "with bombs, terrorism, death squads, genocide, assassination, etc etc?" - THIS SHOULD SEND PEOPLE RUNNING THE OPPOSITE DIRECTION. Again, I am against all of those things. You don't need to pitch this idea to me. All I'm asking is, can you explain why people who by all accounts should hate the US, and will live very poor lives in the US, decide to move to the US? Because none of what you said actually answers the question. If China destroyed my home, why would I move to China? If my government was a China puppet, why would I move to China? If my home country was an ally with China, why would that make me want to move to China?
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  27275. ISIS got powerful because they took advantage of the US support of "moderate" rebels against Assad. Now the US is cleaning up the mess they created. "I don’t understand this argument that “we’ve been there 19 years” or “America’s longest war”. So what?! How is that an argument?!" - so you spent 2 weeks headbutting the wall and you still haven't breaches through the brick wall. Should you pack up and leave or keep headbutting? “If the Taliban fills the void again were we to leave, how long before another September 11th?“ - I know that this is probably the first time you've heard this but most hijackers in 9/11 were Saudis. They were not Taliban nor representing the nation of Afghanistan during the attack. The United States tracked Bin Laden's whereabouts and demanded the Taliban to surrender him, but Bin Laden had asked them for asylum first and the Taliban did not want to break their promise. After 7-8 days of bombing the Taliban eventually reconsidered and said they agreed to surrender Bin Laden to a neutral country but the US refused the deal and pressed with the invasion. Before 9/11 the US maintained open dialogue with the Taliban and now after almost 20 years of war the US has resumed negotiations. There's a pipeline to be built through Taliban controlled terrain and everyone wants a deal to make sure the Taliban will agree to not attack it. Because there's no chance the US will take over nor will the ANA manage to keep those installations under control. Now mind that it is thought that Bin Laden fled to Pakistan after the Battle of Tora Bora so suppressing the Taliban meant nothing. Bin Laden was hiding in Pakistan and was killed in Pakistan according to the official story.
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  27280.  @OptimusJedi  "The end result is that the surge resolved the problem" - I'm baffled, because I only used the surge as an example of allegiances switching (and thus why people moving from the Taliban and Al Qaeda and vice versa isn't the big deal you seemed to imply it was). The problem being solved or not wasn't the topic at hand. "Therefore, having troops" - back the fuck up. The surge fixed the problems in Iraq in the same way that if you go out to buy a bunch of superglue you're gonna glue mom's fine china back together after you rode a skateboard in the living room. The change in policy fixed the US's mistakes, and most of the problems that were fixed were directly caused by US intervention. So saying "therefore, having troops" over there is the solution when sending the fucking troops was what caused the clusterfuck in the first place... That's circular logic. "I never said that they saw the light" - brother then stop saying they "realized" the US wasn't as bad. They didn't "realize" shit, they just got offered a better deal. "Bin Laden is dead as a result of the war in Afghanistan" - holy shit and the internet exists as a result of Hitler invading Poland. Gather round all the families of dead US soldiers and the maimed veterans and let's tell them - we sent them to a kerfuffle just to keep UBL hidden in Pakistan for like 10 years then shoot him. "Afghanistan is no longer under the yoke of the Taliban" - but the Afghan government only controls 30% of the country and the Taliban still control key areas which is why negotiations are necessary. "doesn’t have Al Qaeda terrorists running around the country" - that objective was completed essentially a decade ago as Al Qaeda presence in the entire country was estimated to be lower than 100 members and the Taliban severed their ties to them. What was 2009-2019 for, then? "So much so that our enemies have come to the table to talk" - You misunderstand their position. The war is massively unpopular at home. Where have you seen this before? Vietnam. They take the "loss", and then they win.
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  27281.  @OptimusJedi  The issue is that I talked about the Surge as an example of why you can't be offended at people changing sides in a place where alleigeances are fluid. Yesterday's enemy is today's ally and tomorrow's enemy again. You somehow steered the conversation to a point where if the Surge worked, you "win". Even though the point was that you can't take things personally. And that the Surge working points to the fact that you need to learn to work with the people who were shooting at you for the past few years. ”merriam-webster definition of “realize”” - holy fuck if I paid you 5000 dollars to say I'm right and I won the argument you wouldn't have realized shit, you'd simply take the bribe. You can pull all the fucking dictionary definitions but if I pay you money to fuck off that doesn't mean you conceived anything as real. “Now, why was Bin Laden in Pakistan again? He ran away from the invasion. One thing leads to another. Follow along.“ - Bin Laden fled to Pakistan in 2001 after Tora Bora. There were rumors of him coming back to Afghanistan in 2009 but they weren't credible. This makes the invasion completely useless from that moment up to now. “The Afghan government controls 30% of the country. Ok, how much did the democratically elected government control before the US invasion?“ - so the Afghan government can't even keep their own country under control with US presence, how the fuck is that a victory? “You understand that stability is needed to ensure that our enemies don’t return right?“ - Al Qaeda? The Taliban have agreed to the deal that they won't harbor terrorists. “Massively unpopular?“ - the current US president campaigned to end the wars. The democrats are also taking about pulling out. Now, if both sides are campaigning to bring the troops home wouldn't you call the war unpopular? “considering there were active protests“ - Irrelevant. You had literal communists in universities and unions. What matters is the fact that the populace has no interest in the war, politicians are promising to end it. The Taliban will sign a peace deal, promise to keep terrorists and the Chinese out in addition to the cease fire. Then the US pulls out, the Afghan government will get overwhelmed and the Taliban will regain control by breaking the cease fire just like the North Vietnam broke the peace treaty. But the US will not come back.
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  27367.  @FilmFlam-8008  No, the wetness makes it hard to breathe because you're trying to force air through a liquid so air takes the path of least resistance through the small gaps it can find. But virions won't get filtered by the mask. They'll ride in the liquid. "And in the US, we have private healthcare" - Irrelevant. The private sector is so intertwined with government it's barely worth making the distinction. And considering this is a global issue, globally the medical system and government are joined at the hip. If a government agency is attempting to save masks for the private sector, they're in cahoots. Full stop. No need to go any further. The CDC and WHO employ doctors. They're part of the same "class". "Putting everything in the same bag is disingenuous. It is easy to say, but not logically accurate. With that same logic, you should not trust your doctor (healthcare provider)" - It's not disingenuous. Is the government managing and distributing supplies for the medical field or not? They are. The tumor example is completely out of context because there's no reason for the government to request an overestimation of cancer diagnosis or anything. If there was a reason to distrust a cancer diagnosis maybe the example would make sense. "You are muddling things together in a conspiracy mindset" - It's not a conspiracy mindset. First of all, accusing others of being conspiracy theorists is in itself a way to discredit without addressing the argument (just the other day I told a tankie that Nazis found Soviet mass graves and realized their own mass graves would be uncovered and decided to dig the bodies out and burn them to erase the evidence - I was accused of being a conspiracy theorist even though this is a proven historical event). Second, I didn't do the "you can't trust anybody" move, I simply stated that government agencies lied for their own benefit. Anyone with a brain saw the underlying motive. This isn't a conspiracy. There's no conspiracy. Stop accusing others of being conspiracy theorists when there's none.
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  27390.  @Saeronor  "average elderly men can easily have kids" - it's not easy. It's sort of a myth that men can just pump it and make babies. While women progressively increase risks as they age and eventually reach menopause, as men get older they also lose fertility. Yeah they can father children - it's also not "easy". "I imagine this is also why life in Europe consists of higher prices and tiny paychecks. Not to mention costs are split with social security. Amazing how paying for it can result in ability to benefit." - yeah I certainly enjoyed working for less than 3€ per hour and then out of that little money I earned having 11% taxed out of my paycheck. It's really great when your """free""" college that my parents paid taxes for has tuition costs, I'm also studying maths every time I think about how it would be easier to pay my tuition with those extra 11%. "Businesses survived just fine" - there's serious chances that when I get my degree (just one more semester...) I won't be able to find a job in my country because our industry is fucked, and it was deliberately fucked over by the EU so that the businesses in Germany, France, etc could survive. So rather than buying stuff made in our country we have to keep buying French and German! Hooray! The kicker is, we're having problems with the fucking birthrates too. Don't worry, we're preserving the "longevity of society" with immigration so we don't even have to worry about kids. The government is going to outsource that shit too! There's nothing to worry about! "it's up to millions and millions of people to decide how much of their life an employer is entitled to" - that's not how it works. If businesses are forced to take a loss they'll just pay less. You'll get exactly the same as if you just worked normally, saved up to have a child and took a normal leave. But our little primitive monkey brain is terrible at this shit so we don't save as much money as we should, and if given the exact same sum of money but taken from our paycheck and given back throughout our leave we'll think we're getting more bang for the buck even though the amount of money is the same. It's that or raise prices and risk less consumption. Sales tax in the twenties isn't helping either.
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  27391.  @Saeronor  we don't use the public healthcare system in my family anyway (military benefits, paid for by the lower income one gets by working for the government rather than private sector) "other people going through college" - which they also paid for, thanks for missing the point. "Even if it really is true in its most absurd form (the obligatory purchases part)" - way to miss the point, it's not a matter of signing a contract and being legally obligated to buy from X, Y or Z. It's a matter of a complex web of regulations, benefits and other small things that push the buttons and pull the levers of the market in order to benefit some types of industry over the others. What ends up happening is that fishing is better in one place, agriculture is better in other, industry is better over there, etc. The worst part is when foreign investment buys up the industry when the EU is trying to promote it by giving freebies and they profit massively. When the welfare runs out, and after they have crushed the competition, they pack up and leave for other country where the EU is giving handouts. We're chasing the problem rather than recognizing that this "free" market where the only freedom is in the flow of capital is crushing the smaller countries. "they could use it to fund tax breaks" - you don't fund a tax break. "Perhaps... it's something about job security or other wonderful perks of shitty "pro-business" short - term legislation, which empowers all kinds of dicking?" - I thought the grass was greener on the other side. "if it affects every business equally and they all do it, then they are going to cut into their own profits, because how exactly a massive population is going to keep up their own spending if their bosses cut everything?" - that would happen in a world where business is a hivemind. It's more of a contest of who blinks first. I'm fairly sure that a business forced to carry the risk of paying someone for no work while having to retrain replacements will not dig into their razor thin profit margins. In the end CEO Joe Schmoe will laugh all the way to the bank as he gives up a couple of billions but completely crushes all the small and medium businesses.
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  27402.  @brentwilbur  "A commitment by the people of NATO-aligned nations to the people of all Soviet Socialist Republics remains" - What does that even mean? Nobody under the age of 50 today had anything to do with any such commitments. And if you look at the actual commitment, it was respected. To this day, there are no international bases in Germany in the territory of the former DDR. NATO bases only exist in the former West German republic, not the East. "The formation of any legal document is an ultimately irrelevant and pompous gesture." - No. Getting stuff in writing is the basis of modern law. Otherwise I'll take you to court and say you owe me a million dollars. Why? You committed to it. The proof? You said it was irrelevant and pompous. Hand over the million dollars. "There was an agreement not to spread east." - Into East Germany. The agreement was not made after the split of the Soviet Union or the Warsaw Pact. It was made during German reunification. So the agreement can only include Germany. At no point would the Soviet Union ask NATO to not accept the SOVIET UNION into NATO. The Soviets controlled the Soviet Union. It's in the name. Why would Moscow say "please, we are so weak, do not make us join NATO"??? That makes no sense! Think a little! Meanwhile, East Germany was former Warsaw Pact and it would be assimilated to a NATO nation. "This is a conflict 30+ years in the making." - Then why has Russia ignored the Baltics and Finland? This is only about Ukraine. It was never about NATO. "NATO started the war by abandoning its agreements" - The Soviet Union also agreed to use Lend Lease and they never paid back while the British did pay their debt. They abandoned their agreement. "NATO is the aggressor" - NATO didn't lay a finger on Russia. Typical Russian crybully behavior.
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  27484.  @radiotec76  "So you would like to pay a liveable wage if it weren't for inflation." - you need to speak in terms that make sense. A person gets hired to perform work that adds to the profits. If the wages paid to the person surpass the extra earnings created by that labour, it stops making sense to keep the person around. This has zero to do with livable wages. "Price hikes on key items like gasoline have a knock on effect with others or would you just keep you prices where they are at and loose money?" - and if the cost of energy increases then that means the costs of many goods will increase because fuel is used to power machines and to transport said goods. A price hike on gasoline can take a huge hit on the economy. "No, you'd raise prices on what you're selling. If prices of things go up why not people's labor?" - and that's what I am trying to explain. If prices raise on what you are selling the economy will slow down. "If you have to pay your workers a wage so low they have to take a second or even third job just to pay the basics" - what if they don't have to? Maybe they have another income at home from a husband/wife. Maybe they live with their parents. Maybe they live with other 3 people sharing a cheap house. Maybe the government should take action against inflation to make sure the cost of living falls in relation to wages. "then it's already failed and shouldn't exist." - which doesn't make any fucking sense. If hiring an extra person generates (say) 15 dollars an hour to my business and I have to pay 15 dollars an hour for that labour, I get 0. That doesn't mean my business is failing. It just means that it makes zero sense to add a cost to my business that brings no return. "It's strange your even debating this" - how is it strange? It's fucking maths. If I look at the cost of hiring someone and the theoretical revenue I can get, and I realize it's a bad decision to hire someone that job position is eliminated. "And finally do you really want to pay workers so little" - bro if you could make me 300 dollars an hour I'd certainly pay you 200. But if you only generate 15 dollars/hour I can't give you more than 10. I am always astonished at the divide, of course there's asshole bosses everywhere but straight up assuming that if I were a boss the wages I would be paying would be too low on purpose?
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  27513. "of yours" I'm not American. You're right, it's a state issue because it falls under intrastate commerce. So it's left up to the state and many states don't want that. The federal government cannot enforce it until it becomes interstate. But my point was, what you just said isn't accurately described by the word "increased". How do you "increase" a background check? Some people call them "extended background checks" and to me that means something like extending their reach so they can check if you ran with scissors in kindergarten or something, extending the research they perform on the governmental lists. The more "accurate" nomenclature for what you want is "universal background checks" but you could just say "end private sales" - all sales go through the gun shop. That's essentially what you're asking for. Yeah, drugs shouldn't be regulated. The higher street price makes it profitable to murder over drugs, remember Al Capone and Prohibition? "Less" criminals have access to illegal drugs? You're joking, right? Criminals smuggle tons of the shit. In fact the high price pays for the expensive smuggling operations, if drug prices plummeted cartels would have trouble affording all the drivers, mules and bribes to the police. The fact is that drugs are dirt cheap where they're produced locally. The more middlemen in the way, the more expensive it gets and the more impure (and therefore less safe to consume) it becomes. Prohibition/War on Drugs increases murder rates because criminals aren't paying street price for the drugs. They're selling at that price, which means that they bought them for much cheaper - they're murdering each other over drugs exactly because profit margins are so high. And the people who smuggled them through Mexico and into the US, for example, paid even less than American gangs. Like, did you actually believe you have a point there when everyone with half a brain knows that decriminalization and treating drugs as a health problem rather than a crime problem will actually decrease hard drug use, overdoses and HIV/Hep C transmission? "how about 5000-10000 dollar fine and 10 year imprisonment" congratulations, you've probably deterred the tiny minority of collectors who are willing to break the law to privately collect historical guns or something and who wouldn't hurt anyone anyway. The people who buy guns to MURDER other people are already looking at 25 to life so 10 years is nothing to them. And by the way, we know that harder punishments do not necessarily prevent violent crime because it's widely known that states with capital punishment do not have lower murder rates as a result. "And if you lower the speed limit, cars would be slower thus making it harder for a escaping criminal to navigate" if cars are all moving at the same relative speed to each other (near zero unless someone is overtaking) it wouldn't make a difference.
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  27757.  @Milivoy84  Every side was playing the misinformation game, Zoltan Dani initially claimed that they had made field modifications to radars to defeat stealth but later recanted that they were simply using the radar on the lowest frequency available and this was common during the war. "Second one fell on US friendly soil so there were no wreckage to be shown and ofc no reason to acknowledge it officially." - This would require a conspiracy where the USAF hid the loss from the records by having an aircraft fly home twice so that it could be observed and only one loss counted, plus somehow keep the GAO from discovering an aircraft was missing from inventory. Additionally, there's a F-117 in a museum that suffered missile damage but was patched up and kept flying until retirement. "even today it can be fond that something fell and left a mark in that area" - Strange that erosion didn't wipe the marks after 20 years but still, could have been any aircraft. "even if only one was shot down, idea that a stealthy plane that is made for suppressing AA defense WAS detected and shot is just showing that stealth isn't a clocking device or invisibility armor." - It was never meant to be such a thing. Reducing a radar cross section is extremely helpful because radar power decreases by the inverse square. At one point when you are close enough to a stealth aircraft the radar return has enough energy to be picked up on radar. "Serb AA was operational until the end of conflict so the plane that is made for ONLY one role - failed in it" - The Nighthawk continued flying and dropping bombs. It didn't fail. "And idea that Su57 will not enter production or that it will be bad is totally wrong" - Why? Even if it enters production, it's going to take years to catch up.
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  27799. @Daragh Kiernan "They only need to know their capabilities, fire rate, magazine size etc." - Okay. Did they ever mention fire rate numbers or where the limit is? Or do they just call them assault weapons to make people believe they're evil? Also, rifle magazine sizes are restricted to 5 rounds in Canada. I seriously doubt there's an issue with fire rates considering that a reload is necessary every 5 rounds. "Names of the guns aren't even particularly important." - But they literally banned weapons... by name. They went over gun catalogs and copy pasted every single name they found. They even banned an airsoft replica, coffee and a website because of how rushed they were in trying to copy names... "Call it what you want 'assault weapon' or whatever. If it can theoretically cause the same amount of mass murder as the weapons involved in all these mass shootings then they should be banned." - A pump action shotgun can theoretically cause the same amount of mass murder. In the Virginia Tech shooting the shooter used two handguns. Killed 34 if I remember correctly. So basically, ban every single type of gun? "Assault weapon' is a catch all term for these in the minds of those who oppose them." - But like I pointed out, if your "catch all" catches everything, there's no point. just say you want to ban all guns. I'll actually respect that. I'd rather talk to honest people who hate my guts and want the cops to kick my door down and shoot me in the head because I like guns, than talk to manipulative liars.
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  27936. +ZoooZov mandar-me emigrar? Não sejas piegas. That's not really true. The terrorists in France didn't get their guns from a complex terrorist network (which was exactly what make explosives harder to use due to surveillance), they got them from a guy called Sasha W. in Germany. If you want to commit a mass shooting just find your own Sasha who will sell you guns. The guy from Norway who killed 69 people got his guns the legal way. And if you divide the number of shootings per million people there's a few non-EU countries in Europe which have greater frequency of mass shootings than the US. But since they're smaller countries, everything is smaller scale do you don't hear about it. You do realize that Portugal cut addiction by 50% in one decade by decriminalizing drugs, right? You do realize that just like the US has a peak in murders due to Prohibition of alcohol, the War on Drugs is responsible for the peak of gun murders felt through decades and only started declining in 1993. Making drugs a crime actually is part of the reason the US has high gun murder. Also, doing drugs only hurts you just like being alcoholic only hurts you. The stealing, the driving under the influence, etc that's all your personal responsibility. We don't put people in jail for buying wine, they only get in trouble after doing something that hurts others. We don't make murder illegal because we think it magically makes murder go away, but to have a reason to charge someone and bring them to court. So yeah, owning a gun shouldn't be penalized, that's not the same as decriminalizing murder. "The article does refer that it is going by the NARROWEST definition of mass shooting. That is ONE definition. Not the ONLY ONE." I don't care about the wrong definitions. If we're going by the mass shooting tracker that has been PROVEN to count BB gun injuries, knife-related incidents and gang warfare that lead to people getting killed in the same location *but at different times*. Some parts of American cities are borderline 3rd world. "The fact that shootings that start as other crimes is also ignored... also laughable. And so on." By that argument Mexico, Colombia, Brazil, etc have a ton of mass shootings because of all the gangs shooting each other. "I mean, who the hell cares how it starts? Do the people that end up killed matter less?" apparently you don't care when it's terrorism. It's not that the deaths don't matter, but if you're going to count bystanders in the middle of gang warfare (which again, is fueled by making drugs illegal), which also happens a lot in South American countries independently of gun laws, you're only admitting that the problem won't be solved by gun laws but by lifting people out of poverty, ending the revolving door prison system and the exploitation of the poor and the minorities as labour when in prison, a cultural and social shift, etc. "I mean gun control isn't meant to just stop shootings on a large scale. Is it ok if a random shooter just kills one single innocent life?" the problem is that you're stating as if it was established fact that gun control would prevent that death in the USA, where there's a shit ton of gun murder in cities like Chicago despite their more restrictive gun laws and there's already over 300 million firearms, most of them impossible to trace to their current owners.
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  27937. "Mini 14 is a hunting calibre rifle" it fires .223 Remington which is virtually identical in performance to 5.56 NATO. In fact 5.56 NATO rifles are able to operate .223 Remington easily (but not the other way around). So an American Utoya shooter wouldn't have any advantage. "he would have access to a 100 round M416 " the 100 round magazine is often a piece of shit, it actually jammed on the Aurora Theater shooter and he switched to a shotgun. The HK MR556 (416s are not legal for sale in the US) is not any more lethal than the Mini-14, both are semi-automatic, magazine fed, air cooled intermediate caliber rifles with comparable performance. "Your point was about how EU laws ain't shit, but it turns out they are shit. It's not a complex terrorist cell, but that's a gun dealer" What's your point? My point was that if you want to create a mass shooting in Europe, you just need to find an illegal dealer. And terrorists have switched from explosives to just buying guns from dealers because it's actually easier. "You need to ween off of the drug by being able to take it in gradually smaller quantitites without having to worry about anything over time" and that's why they're testing weed to counter the effects of heroine width-drawl in the US. Sucks that the US government forces studies to be performed with shit ass weed in many states which doesn't represent the state of legal medicinal marijuana. "Because you said the government legalized drugs" In the US? "That's such bullshit" They even admit it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IsbcPTIDFJc "Nobody would even buy half the shit they make in prison, the very idea that products are made in prison is bogus" Use inmates to cook rather than hire contractors that deal in mess halls/cafeteria/whatever. You're getting money to house the inmates, but you give the labour of housing people to the inmates themselves. If you don't want to work and you're just a criminal troublemaker, they'll try to push you into a state prison so that you become the government's problem and not theirs. It's true.
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  27938. +Black Knight the Mini-14 is absolutely a semi-automatic rifle and .223 is dimensionally very similar to 5.56 NATO, to the point it's interchangeable if the barrel is rated for 5.56. "Instead of having a crappy hunting rifle from the 19 fucking 50s, he would have a 2017 Heckler and fucking Koch which can be hand held and is designed to be fired 30 or 20 times without interruption, while a hunting rifle is designed to be fired with a scope, after careful aiming, ONCE" the HK MR566 is a piston conversion of the AR15 which is a downscalled version of the AR-10 design from the 50's. In fact the AR-15 patent was sold to Colt in 1959 so the AR15 is a 50's gun, modernized. "One is a hunting rifle designed for scoped one shots" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ej39umHaB08 it has open sights and there's a full auto version of the Mini-14 called the AC556. "it was a gun dealer" yeah. so? That's where you get illegal guns, from illegal dealers. If you want a legal gun you get one from a legal dealer. A dealer is just a person, one who has an occupation that involves firearms, but it's just a person you need to find to have a gun. Obviously that asking cashiers, bank tellers or bus drivers won't get you a gun, you go to someone who sells guns. "But since there are no normal over the counter dealers" The Norway guy got his guns legally from a over the counter dealer. "Because manufacturing explosives is a chemical job. It requires actual skills, not just connections" A lot of times they use straight ammonium nitrate sold in many countries as fertilizer initiated by a small amount of commercial explosive used in demolitions and mining operations, to avoid the chemical part of the job. The connections to import large amounts of fertilizer from impoverished countries that rely on ammonium nitrate fertilizer and divert small amounts of explosives from the legal channels make it an operation that is bound to be picked up by the counter terrorist agencies, when just setting up a meet with an underground gun dealer is much lower profile. "In Portugal." Yeah but I clearly switched the subject and was talking about the US. "that's just to help out with the running." for profit - if they're cutting costs then surely the state should pay them less. That was just one example. Inmates grow vegetables for Whole Foods, sew McDonald's uniforms, etc.
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  27939. The Mini-14 initially had problematic barrels and still has an undeserved reputation for being inaccurate so your opinion that it's a long range rifle is pretty funny. "5.56 NATO is notorious because its carried in AR 15 type guns, and is used in military conflicts. The m14, while being standard military issue........was issued back in the 50s or something. It has no full auto function, and wouldn't even dare think of one" the M14 was literally designed with a full auto function for walking fire but reality came down hard and the Army gave up because it wasn't effective. If you buy old surplus M14s many times you will see that the receiver was modified to remove the full auto switch. It's not a tractor and an Atom comparison. Both spit bullets the same weight at almost the same velocity. The differences are merely dimensional. " Mini 14 would pass for muster as military issue" The Mini-14 is literally a downscaled M14 which is more or less a downscaled M1 Garand. It has military weapon heritage and it was literally proposed for military service as the AC556, but only a couple of countries bought it for their armed forces. "So it wasn't just some random dude called Sasha W whom you just find on the street! You can't claim that these guys are just all over the place and the EU's laws are so lax." What's your problem? It's not that the laws are lax, it's that these people ignore the law? My point is that they just found a guy who had guns for sale. He sold guns on the deep web according to the news. But you can find them in the street. A few years ago in my country a couple of journalists went to the streets to ask around for illegal guns. 2 hours and 50€ later they had a gun in their hands, just from asking around. "THAT'S MY POINT, THE TERRORISTS HAD TO USE ILLEGAL DEALERS TO DO WHAT THEY HAD TO DO" And the deaths don't count because the guns were illegal? You only care when the guns are legal? My point is that if you want to kill, you can have guns easily. Of course, it's against the law, but so is killing. In the US even the Columbine kids broke 21 gun laws in their quest for arming themselves. Criminals don't care. "But it isn't a random guy on the street who has guns because apparently the EU has no gun law and guns are just hanging off of everybody's ears." Illegal gun dealers ignore the law. Our restrictive laws only bother the legal gun owners. It's not "lax" - it's that criminals don't obey the gun laws. "And the gun that he got was probably the most military grade hunting rifle they had." and he killed more people than the Las Vegas guy. So why does the "grade" matter? "but you aren't either, so save your armchair bomb expert-ing for somebody who can't tell the difference. A bomb takes actual knowledge of explosives" Why are you being hostile? Anyone and their mother knows that fertilizer bombs are the most common when you want a large volume bomb such as a truck bomb. It's completely impractical to synthesize any explosive in large amounts, but if you can obtain or purify Ammonium Nitrate you have a powerful explosive that is sold by the hundreds of pounds. Many bombs in the Middle East are straight AN because impoverished countries don't ban straight AN from being sold. The IRA used AN. The Oklahoma City bombing used fertilizer. Even the Norwegian guy only made a 1.5kg booster charge, the vast majority of explosive charge was obtained from commercial fertilizer. Knowledge of explosives means that you need to bring one of your bomb-makers to Europe, have him meet with the terrorists, make the bomb, and then return to the Middle East without getting caught. If you can get fertilizer, and a few pounds of commercial explosive to use as booster and the blasting caps used in mining, it's "plug-and-play" and you can send your retarded terrorists on a mission without risking losing your bomb-makers. "I think you were talking about Portgual being a good example of drug legalization working, and I'm saying that maybe not that many were addicted to drugs to begin with, and that this was a trumped up statistic that there was such a huge problem with drugs." That's why the decrease is shown in percentage and now raw numbers. If the country was bigger and there were more addicts, 50% less addicts would still mean a big improvement. "Maybe the state wasn't paying them enough in the first place, and that's why we got this mess, and why they want to put criminals to working in the cafeteria." The definition of for-profit prison systems is that they take inmates for profit. If they were getting profit and they're making even more on top of it, that's a HUUUUGE incentive into increasing the incarceration rates. Look it up, the US has the highest incarceration rate. "are extremely infrequent" look up prison farms. It's way more frequent than you think. "Relax with the sympathy for people who actually do bad things in thsi world, kill rape and steal from people" the problem is that a huge percentage of prisoners never did any of that and are there for drug related reasons.
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  27941. I am not American and I don't know the standards of manufacture of the Ruger corporation. But for decades the Mini-14 was considered an inaccurate piece of shit and the problem only seems to have been ameliorated in probably the late 90's or early 2000s. That means that the old "inaccurate" barrels were sold for decades but if you buy a new one it's pretty acceptable (still not as accurate as the AR which is the industry standard as you can easily get 1 MOA with off the shelf components). You claimed it was made for long range shooting. For decades it wasn't suitable for long range shooting with many people who shot them in the past citing an average of 5 MOA. It's still not a sub-MOA rifle as it averages 2-3 MOA depending on ammo. Is it accurate? You'll hit your target at 50 yards, even 100. Long range? With 3 MOA you have way better options. "In other words, was it known to be inaccurate as a GUN or as a long range rifle?" a deviation of 5 minutes of angle is considered inaccurate as a rifle... For long range shots it's borderline unacceptable. A deviation of 5 MOA is enough to make you miss a man-sized torso at 200 yards even though you were on target. " It wasn't reality that came down hard, people realized that the M14 is a glorified hunting rifle. " it was literally a magazine-fed Garand on 7.62 NATO. The M1 Garand, you know, the rifle that did just fine at killing Nazis? "so fucking what, a tank can very easily have a 20mm full auto turret on it, and fire it at the same rate as an M14" https://gundigest.com/wp-content/uploads/2_AR-15-223-vs-556.jpg this diagram shows the difference between 5.56 NATO and .223 Remington. Are you saying that M14s and 20m autocannons fire the same round? Because .223 and 5.56 can be fired from the same gun. A M14 can't fire 20mm. An AK4 can't chamber .50 BMG. But .223 and 5.56 are interchangeable, the only reason you can't shoot 5.56 NATO on .223 barrels is because the throat angle is more aggressive and will lead to overpressure. "The differences are not merely dimensional," and yet they are: http://www.americanweaponscomponents.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/223vs556-e1446155529154.jpg "Which is a hunting rifle, type thing. M1 were used by sharpshooters to aim, then fire, one shot rounds. They weren't used on the front lines with MP 40s." Jesus Christ the M1 Garand was a frontline weapon. MP40? The American submachine gun in service was the Thompson and smg was issued to officers and rear echelon troops. Infantrymen got M1 Garands. "Some heritages are longer than tohers." so you're denying that the Garand is a military design? "Same reasoning, it's an old gun, it could pass muster for military service, during the time of the M1. Namely WORLD WAR FUCKING 2. Pre-Nuke time." Like the caliber fired by the Mini-14 didn't even exist back then, it only came out in 1963. It was only produced in 1973. The Bermudas purchased their Mini-14s in 1983. WWII ended in 1945. Your timeline is all wrong. "We were talking about Sasha W, you made him sound like some hunter who had the freedom to sell guns to terrorists. People don't have that kind of freedom in the EU." In no way was that my intention and I apologize if my comment was misunderstood. My point is that they did't get guns because of a government connection or a large terrorist network that only terrorists can access My point is that they found someone who sold guns and contacted him - I posted his name because that's who he was, just a random guy who decided that his way to make a living was the black market My point is that if you want to commit a mass shooter you don't need to be a terrorist - just find your own Sasha the weapons guy "You telling me a psycho with time like that couldn't find a gun but this guy could?" He was a foreigner, which probably makes it harder for the locals to trust him. Probably thought he was interpol or something. Anyway he was asking for grenades (which is kinda weird if the dealer doesn't trust you enough) and AK47s despite of the fact that the Vz.58 is more popular in the Czech Republic. "I am saying that the statistic is made up and you are talking about how good decriminalization is, which I doubt it was" Then there's no point in discussing it. "the costs of running a cafeteria is like 5 people." you have no idea how lucrative those contracts are. If the state is paying you contractor money and you just stick 5 inmates in there you're pocketing hundreds of thousands of dollars at the end of the year. "They might say they are" somehow I don't think studies get past peer review by reporting on the crimes committed by asking prisoners rather than actually looking up DOJ and BJS statistics
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  27982. @Finite Automata Because a missile knocked off the air can have the guidance or steering damaged, causing it to crash and the warhead detonate from impact fuze or some kind of self-destruct. I ask you the same question: why would an anti-air missile that is made to strike targets painted by radar hit a tractor? The missile can't just lock onto a piece of metal. First of all, S-300 missiles first use command guidance from the ground controller, then switch to semi-active radar homing. This means the ground radar must paint the aerial target. Because the Earth is curved, and there's hills and trees in the way, a radar can't paint a tractor. Please. Think for a second. Aircraft use low altitude flying to evade radar, and you think a semi-active radar homing missile can lock onto a ground target? I'll give you the benefit of the doubt, you thought that it was an active radar homing missile. Those emit their own radar energy to see the target. That's fair. Russia has those. Ukraine doesn't. Russia kept developing the S-300 upgrades and the S-400. Ukraine's missile stocks are Soviet era. The active radar homing missiles are the 9M96 series which are compatible with S-300PMU-2 and the 40N6 from the S-400. S-300PMU-2 were never exported to Ukraine. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt once again, and let you off the hook because you assumed all S-300 launchers are the same and Ukraine could have imported some missiles from Russia in the 90s and 2000s. That's fair. The problem is that you don't understand how radar works. Radar isn't a metal detector, it will bounce off the ground too. If you point a radar in the air at the ground, you get clutter. Just noise, because all your radar energy is being scattered by buildings, trees, the ground features, etc. Even if Ukraine had bought the right missiles before 2014 and then modified them to work with their older gen S-300s, the active radar seeker would still not home onto a tractor. It would just see radar bouncing from everything, effectively blinding itself. Do you understand now? Your "reasonable conclusion" is completely detached from reality. I get you. I understand. You have a rough idea how the missiles work, and then created a logical chain of events that made sense in your mind. The problem is, without any actual knowledge about surface to air missiles, or even how radar works, you created an hypothesis and declared it to be "reasonable". It's actually quite an unreasonable hypothesis. Do you understand what I'm saying? I'm not pissed at you because I expect you to have in-depth knowledge of missiles, because almost nobody cares enough about the topic to learn. I'm pissed at you because you come here and declare yourself to have the right opinions, and they're the ONLY conclusion that's reasonable.
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  28003.  @tinkerjeeppublications9823  Narrowing the window of interdiction matters when you have one opportunity to deter an attack deep into your territory. Not when the enemy aircraft will be loitering around. If you're sending other elements to destroy AA, those same elements can just do the A-10s job. Why send less capable aircraft that need escorts, if the escorts themselves can just do the job in the first place? Other aircraft can do the job without needing that support. The fact of the matter is that defenses can be masked from ground troops while being able to engage aircraft once they cross a certain threshold. So an aircraft cannot depend on ground support to engage the defenses. What's new is that your proposal to have ARMs doesn't make a lick of difference when the A-10 is most vulnerable to defenses that are not directly in front of it. There's context behind the things I say, and we were talking about your ARM proposal. The fact is that other aircraft do not have to place themselves in this risky situation, and your argument is that we should place the A-10 in this situation, and as a last resort give it a weapon that won't have the effect you think will have. Please don't start the F4 thing. The Phantom didn't need a gun. The Navy didn't put one in their Phantoms. The "reputation" of the GAU-8 was scope creep. The A-X program had nothing to do with the Phantom, and the lack of gun wasn't an oversight. No, the F-4 wasn't better with a gun. It required the use of a smaller radar and the weight up front negatively impacted the handling characteristics. Over Vietnam the USAF scored 89 missile kills, and something like 5 kills with the internal gun. The Navy scored 40 kills without guns. The A-10 isn't effective. It's not proven. The first real war it got, it had to be pulled back due to excessive losses. The countermeasure to a 30mm bullet is concentrating fire on the aircraft that is performing a predictable straight line dive. Which is why in 1991 pilots quickly learned they had to use the Mavericks to take out targets from a distance and save the cannon rounds for later. If there's a hurricane outside and we have save means to accomplish a task, you don't insist on going outside because it's the only way you know how to accomplish it. It's not that you'll get wet, it's that you can get killed or waste emergency service resources.
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  28072.  @محمد-م5ث1ش  No, I didn't want to talk about Palestine, and no I didn't want to make the invasion legal. You're the one who brought it up. Well, the world had just come off a world war. Europe was destroyed, taking with it a large amount of industrial production capabilities. Palestine was British territory at the time. You really think people in Europe wanted to start a war over Israel? It's not the same situation as Ukraine. Ukraine is Ukraine. Palestine was Britain. Ukraine was invaded militarily. Britain ceded territory for the UN to create Israel. You're reaching here. I didn't support Assad. My point is that Assad asked Russia for support. How are we helping Assad? If anything, the attempt to topple Assad made things worse. The West armed and trained the FSA and "moderate rebels". The moderate rebels turned out to be ISIS. The West created a massive terror organization trying to topple Assad. That's how poorly things went. The Soviet Union was not a single country. It was an alliance of countries. You know the European Union? Also a union. That doesn't mean that France belongs to Germany. The UK voted to leave. Yes, I'm not denying that Ukraine was part of the Soviet Union, but that doesn't mean that they couldn't ask to leave. And they did. The Soviet Union did not own Ukraine, so Ukraine doesn't belong to Putin, and Putin isn't the Soviet Union. It's over. It's been 30 years. The peace agreement between Russia and Ukraine only said that Ukraine would give up its nukes and if invaded, Russia pledged to use the UN security council to help. Well, Russia invaded Ukraine and has veto power in the UN security council. Ukraine didn't break any rules. Russia did. Stop trying to invent rules after the fact.
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  28099.  @pathetic_bot9476  I am not dodging. I am asking you to clarify what you mean so I can know how to respond and it's you who refuses to answer. Are you for a total gun ban or no? Since you're not answering, if I assume if you're a total gun ban then the conversation is useless. If you're not for a total gun ban, then surely you must understand why people may need some firearms. What do you think military grade means? Since you're not answering, I'll assume you either believe the stupid ideology that military grade means the guns were sprinkled with murder dust at the factory that made them better for killing, or you simply heard the term and think it's unreasonable for the people to own something made for the military. If you believe the first, then the conversation is useless. If you believe the second, then you have to understand what military grade actually means. It means it passed military requirements. That's it. The military will specify how many rounds a weapon has to fire before it has to be refurbished to make sure it lasts long enough, how many malfunctions it is allowed to have per X number of rounds fired, that it must survive exposure to salt water, be able to fire in both arctic and sandy conditions, etc. Why shouldn't one want a rifle that is durable and reliable? And another thing, the military has used all kinds of weapons. When muskets were the best firearm available, it was used by both civilians and military. When revolvers were the sidearm of military forces, civilians had them. When bolt action rifles were the standard issue, civilians had them. The military grade weapon was always used by civilians. There was no such thing as a civilian grade weapon except for maybe highly custom guns that were handcrafted by gunsmiths and would not survive the rigor of combat. Most people wouldn't be able to afford those anyway. Even today, the pistols you see on the hips of police officers and that people buy for self-defense, have virtually no difference between them and military pistols. See? You could have at least ATTEMPTED to explain to me what your concerns were and I could have explained it calmly. But you forced me to be aggressive because you REFUSE to have a conversation. There's no fucking difference between a XM8 and any civilian semi-automatic rifle. It shoots bullet. There's hole in barrel. Gas seeps out of the hole and pushes metal rod. Metal rod unlocks the breech, cartridge gets kicked out and new one is stripped from magazine. It's like 90 year old technology. Every fucking gun works through different but essentially comparable systems that achieve the same thing. God. What's the matter with you people?
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  28150.  @peytonalexander5300  Why give any validity to those people? Yeah, it's not a mystery that people jump to conclusions and associate things that really aren't even in the same category. I'm not saying people were not looked at with suspicion. I said that plenty of people who were looked at with suspicion simply did not address the rumors and let it blow over. You completely misrepresented what I said. Anybody with a connection. Okay. His job was literally get connections. So if a criminal is at a party and meets one of your friends, and he asks him for your phone number because he needs to talk to you, does that mean you're suspicious of a crime if he has you on his contacts? You can't look at the book as some kind of evidence of blackmail. It's a paper version of a facebook friends list. Nothing wrong with asking questions. But there's more pertinent questions that you could be asking, and if you do society will tell you it's perfectly acceptable to meet the rumors with silence and not give attention to the internet rumor mill. This is completely flimsy in comparison to many rumors floating around. Yeah, and he's the guy at the top. There's a chance he doesn't even know what goes on in the studios and doesn't care to know about anything else that isn't how much money they're bringing in this quarter. You're tying accusations that have been brought against other people to the person at the top who has nothing to do with the crimes committed, because his name is on someone's phonebook. A phonebook with almost 2000 names.
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  28187.  @genobreaker1054  "you just described half of free market economics" - I like how free market people traveled back in time, started writing about eugenics, got into positions of power and passed minimum wage laws all for a smear job so they could accuse people who want higher min wages of being complicit with eugenics. "Minimum wage INCREASED the wages of the earners" - I mean, anyone who was earning more did not get a raise or was raised very little, the people who were already bang on the limit was obviously paid the same... but jobs where wages were lower were simply eliminated. "Does that mean factory owners hired fewer people to work? Almost certainly, as more expensive labor and safety practices would cut into a businesses profits and ability to survive and grow." - that's just missing the forest for the trees. I'm not making the point of boohoo much economy muh GDP muh layoffs that you're gonna expect in a pure economics argument. The point is that anyone who had an "important" job was retained because the business required it, but people doing more menial tasks for little money were simply prohibited from working. Who do you think was affected by this, the skilled machinists or less capable people? "minimum wage was a pay INCREASE" - Was it? Because if people were getting paid in average a dollar and min wage stipulated 2 dollars (just simple numbers as an example) that would seriously harm the economy as only huge factory owners would make enough profits to pay their workers. You just doubled personnel cost, I'd assume the min wage was just stipulated to be just enough to maintain most jobs. I'm gonna need actual numbers for this conversation to happen because you're making it seem like it was money falling from the sky. "Does it mean people lost jobs at the lowest levels? Yes. What did they do? What people always do, adapt." - my dude we're literally talking about people who couldn't adapt. They were eugenicists. They literally wanted to cull "undesirables". I'm gonna say it, they meant disabled people and low IQ people. "I bring this up because people did have options if they lost their jobs" - if you literally couldn't dig a ditch because you had a disability that wasn't really an option. "And there is plenty of historical documentation that unions arose as mobs of disgruntled workers banded together to shut down their bosses and demand better conditions and pay" - yes, through collective bargaining. Which is an effective tool because it balanced supply and demand. Because unions were perfectly aware of what a minimum wage would mean. As unions became more powerful they started lobbying for similar measures to kick out the bottom steps of the ladder and use wages or licensing to prohibit non-union members from stealing their jobs. This lead to temporary prosperity but it was a huge incentive for automation or manufacturing overseas to escape the regulations unions lobbied for - and eventually unions lost their power because workers no longer had collective bargaining as leverage against businesses that no longer needed to hire them. They were aware of the dangers of minimum wage in the beginning, then thought they could harness regulation for their own benefit and it killed them in the end. Poetic.
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  28339.  @b1bbscraz3y  Several things you've shotgunned at the wall and many of them wrong. "I believe the 90% tax applies to those making millions" - oof, this discussion has been happening way before people were earning millions per year. If you made 100,000 in the early 1900's you were Great Gatsby level rich. "when the tax cuts were implemented more people also became more poor, and wages became stagnant" - and employment went down and government revenue increased as well. Wages becoming stagnant is the natural effect of a recovering Europe and Asia competing with America. Want higher wages like in the 1960's? Start WWIII to curbstomp Europe and Asian industries and tell women to be stay at home moms. It's not the 1960's anymore. "trickle down economics is a fantasy" - because it doesn't exist. Trickle Down Economics was a smear invented by butthurt historians to get back at Andrew Mellon. There is no economic theory called trickle down or that works like trickle down is said to work. Andrew Mellon's stated goal during the Coolidge era was to shift the burden of taxation towards the wealthy and it worked, while also shedding four and a half billion from the national debt. "I call people whatever the fuck I want" - then that makes you a liar, and by being a liar you're already forfeited this argument. Thanks for playing, you already lost. But I'll keep beating you to the ground. "OP was obviously being sarcastic" - It is completely irrelevant. You implied that taxation was high in the 20th century and I countered that rhetoric because I have seen hundreds of people parrot that incorrect factoid. What number he said or whether he was sarcastic or not has absolutely nothing to do with the argument. "the fact still remains the nominal rate was 90% " - which matters for absolutely nothing considering almost nobody paid that rate, and the bracket was so high most rich people only barely earned above it, meaning that the 90% tax barely contributed to government revenue. "apparently you don't understand how lobbying, political donations, and bribery works" - Irrelevant. You've giving me corruption talking points when I simply flipped the script - you can't accuse others of being bootlickers and then shill for a career politician. "yet he is the most grassroot funded politician in the country donated to overwhelmingly by working class people" - and he threw it all away when he bent the knee to the DNC. No refunds. "he just simply has the most amount of fact-based data and evidence on his side to back his positions" - you mean like his support or breadlines or claiming there's too many deodorants? Or when he kept claiming Scandinavia was socialist and even the prime minister of Denmark or whatever had to respond? I understand people putting their foot in their mouth when they talk for a living but Bernie's position is hardly the FACTS and LOGIC kind. He's an idealist and he'll pick the facts and data that supports his side, just like everyone does. "[some strawman bs]" - Irrelevant, and also your personal opinion. Blog it, don't post it as an argument.
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  28340.  @b1bbscraz3y  in 1921 you were taxed at 73 percent if you made over 100,000. "so tax cuts made employment go down and government revenue increase. so why do you support tax cuts then? the logic is inconsistent" - stop being asinine "if that's the only way you think wages can be raised" - it's the way it worked in the 1950s and 1960s. I'm just stating the facts. "an accurate term" - it isn't. "to describe the fantasy economics of the Reagan era" - except that it doesn't come from the Reagan era, please stop being wrong about history "don't like the term, that's your problem" - by that logic I can call your ideology Asspoop and it ruins the country. It doesn't reflect reality, your problem. "that is just a term to use to more quickly name the Reagan-era economics that ruined the country" - except that the tax cuts, AGAIN, pulled America out of a crisis, increased government revenue and solved unemployment. And the kicker is, Reagan's problem is that HE INCREASED GOVERNMENT SPENDING. That's what fucked him over and caused the deficit. "that's actually not irrelevant. because I said no one is calling for 90% taxes, and your response to that was saying that OP is calling for 90% taxes." - except I didn't. "the nominal rate was still 90% and the effective rates were higher than they are today " - except that lower nominal rates increased government revenue. "you don't know the difference between getting money from the citizens of your country which is and should be what a public servant does" - no, it isn't. They get paid more than enough through the government. The taxpayer already funds these leeches, the citizens shouldn't be compelled to fund them even more. "Sanders was opposed to the Reagan foreign policy of intervention" - but supported the bombing of Yugoslavia and had anti-war protesters evicted from his talk. "all fact-based data and evidence show to be the best systems in the world" - but also the worst. "universal healthcare systems are consistently the best ranked and most efficient systems on the planet earth" - but the US ranks 37th, right? There's like 170 countries in the world. You don't get to toss out 140 test tubes and say yeah these 40 test tubes confirm my hypothesis. That's not science. "I don't know what this refers to" - exactly, because it was so unimportant you don't even remember
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  28400.  @L3gionMusic  "Guerrilla tactics are Taliban tactics you spack." - Literally what? You might want to re-read my comment because you're replying to a comment I didn't make. I do find it funny you call them Taliban tactics when the Taliban are not even close to be the most well known users of guerrilla tactics. "Please also learn about the continent called Europe." - I am European. "Do you really believe that the Empire wouldn't have wiped out America if it wanted to?" - I'd suggest you take a good look at a map of the United States. " We later repelled your invasion and Canada, marched into your capitol and burned the White House down pal. Maybe you weren't aware of that." - to be honest any real American should want the White House burned down but that's beside the point. I just find it weird that you're flexing about a meaningless symbolic gesture when the fact is that the British could not control the US. You can burn a building down. But that amounts to nothing, it's an act of hooliganism. It's a child throwing his toys in the fireplace because he can't have his way. "The cost of maintaining a presence in America was to much considering it was pretty much a desert in the middle of the pacific. Britain had a whole Empire to worry about." - Precisely the purpose of a guerrilla war. Hold the L. "In fact, Britain was at war with, the US, France, Spain, Dutch Republic, Vermont Republic, Kingdom of Mysore, the Oneida Tribe, the Tuscarora Tribe, the Watauga Association, the Catawba Tribe and the Maratha Empire all around the same time." - Oh boo hoo poor victim Britain. "Much bigger things were happening around the world than they were America. Britain is an old country and was used to fighting wars as well as gaining and losing territory. Grow up pal." - AHAHAHAHA says the guy who can't even read and replies aggressively to arguments that haven't been made, jerks off about destroying a building in a temper tantrum and then fucking off the country without being able to actually hold ground, claims other's countries aren't important because his huge empire was sooooo amazing. You lost it anyway. You're proud of the evil acts of an EMPIRE, you know, the bad guys that the good guys rebel against... It's like you can't be proud of anything you've done your whole life so you need these pathetic displays of patriotism to feel better about yourself. Because your racist ancestors thought they could own the world. You're telling others to grow up because you can't get over the fact that Britain lost the US and you need to pretend you weren't even interested. The explicit purpose of a guerrilla war is making war too costly for the oppressor. That's like Americans bragging about their kill count in Vietnam or saying "we were only there to contain Chinese expansion". They can beat off all they want to the dead Vietnamese and the thought that they could have razed North Vietnam to the ground but the fact was that the war became too costly for the US and they had to pull out when North Vietnam broke the Paris Accords. That's an L, babey. Just like the one Britain held.
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  28776.  @NostalgicLink  Are you gonna pay for those better fences? We're not talking about the perimeter of your average white picket fence suburban home. We're talking large swaths of land. "don't create environments where "pests" naturally thrive" - Oh so stop farming altogether? Sure bud. But the food doesn't come from the grocery store. "Do you also shoot dogs and cats who roam from house to house and produce litter after litter every spring because the neighbors take pity and leave shitty kibbles out for them?" - Dogs and cats have a symbiotic relationship with humans, I feel embarrassed that I have to be explain 6th grade biology to people on youtube comments. There's a big fucking difference between domestic and wild animals and the types of nuisances they cause, a cat isn't going to ruin crops. Also, we control the population of pets by neutering them. "Or, does your cognitive dissonance tell you dogs and cats shouldn't be shot, but hogs are fine?" - You don't even know what cognitive dissonance means, you're using it incorrectly. Also, for it to be cognitive dissonance cats/dogs would have to be comparable to hogs. They're not. As mentioned above, animals can form pairings that are mutually beneficial that get ingrained into their biology. You can't have a wolf as a pet like you would a dog. We don't share the long history of bonding and selective pressure we do with the dog. Dogs can read human emotion and communication better than chimpanzees or bonobos. There is a factual, objective and scientific difference between a dog and a wild animal like hog. There's also no benefits to killing dogs for food or to protect livestock/crops. If anything, we use dogs to protect our livestock. "Hell, by your thinking, why not start taking out the homeless? The homeless stain otherwise nice locations and laws aren't strict enough to keep them out." - Do you have an actual point or you simply argue from bad faith?
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  28777.  @NostalgicLink  "I'm fully aware of the amount of land being used primarily to feed animals being taken advantage of around the world. And, yes, I'm solely going to pay to fix the situation, since that's what you're trying to insinuate I aught to do." - Stop being a child. Fences are expensive. You're demanding of others to pay for something you're not willing to contribute to. Either stop making unreasonable demands or pay up. "Yeah, I definitely said we should just stop farming altogether. You're an idiot." - Yeah, you said that humans can't create environments that attract the hogs. This means no farming, bucko. "Cats might not be able to ruin crops, but they can cause problems. I had to lay down anti-cat spikes in my small garden to keep them from digging up the soil and chewing up leaves to clean their teeth." - I'm gonna pretend I didn't just read the implication that the damage caused to your garden by cats is as serious as the damage caused to crops by hogs. "Every now and then he tries to round up the females to have them neutered, but more show up every year anyway" - The fact that you can do that to cats only drives my point further home. Hogs will straight up gore you. "You believe cats and dogs have the right to live even when they can be pests, likely because of your relationship or understanding of the normality of the relationship, but not all other animals, even though all other animals are trying to live just the same as cats and dogs." - Yes, this is called basic biology. Is the shark disgusting because it doesn't kill the remora? "I do know what cognitive dissonance is, I am using it correctly" - You're not. Cognitive dissonance requires a state of dissonance. If someone is confident about their beliefs without suffering the stress of trying to balance them, they do not suffer from cognitive dissonance. "Cats and dogs are comparable to hogs, in many ways." - Two things being "comparable" doesn't make them equivalent. "Notably, as I've described, they're all animals that are just trying to live" - So is a mosquito. If you want to remove the "animal" qualifier even black mold is just trying to live. Even things that aren't technically alive, like viruses, are "trying to live" by holding onto hosts and replicating their genetic information. A criminal breaking into my home is an animal trying to live. It's not an excuse. "You're okay with killing one but not the other, despite their similar desires to not die." - See example above. Oh no, the mosquito doesn't want to die. Fuck him. He's gonna die because his bite is inconvenient to me and also they spread diseases in some countries. Even a rapist has the desire not to die. The desire to not die is not an excuse. At one point actions have to have consequences and the culprit can't say "noooo you can't harm me because I wish to not die". "You're also okay with killing hogs as they are a nuisance, but not the homeless." - The homeless aren't out there absolutely targeting our food supply nor are they multiplying because of their invasive nature you sick fuck. If a homeless guy tries to jump you with a knife then sure, it would be wise to defend yourself. "Have you attempted to bond with a hog? Have their been studies attempting to do so?" - How about you try first and nobody steps in to help you if it goes wrong? "Have humans historically attempted that? No, they did so with cats and dogs" - BUDDY DO YOU KNOW WHERE DOMESTICATED PIGS COME FROM? I MEAN I WAS ONLY HALF JOKING WHEN I SAID YOU DIDN'T UNDERSTAND BIOLOGY BUT YOU REALLY OUT HERE ADMITTING YOU DON'T EVEN KNOW THAT DOMESTICATED PIGS WERE BRED OUT OF WILD BOAR 10,000 YEARS AGO "There are plenty of people who take pigs as pets though. Why's that?" - Because they were bred for it, and are not wild animals? What you're doing is like saying wolves are suitable pets because dogs exist. "When a homeless guy does nothing but bother you for change every time you go to the store, offering you nothing in return but his gratitude, do you think "he's not as useful as a cat or a dog, so why don't we just eliminate him?" No, you don't, because you were shaped to know that would be wrong, and you should know that it's similarly wrong to just eliminate hogs." - And also because there's a big fucking difference between giving up a dollar once a week and entire farms getting wrecked? Even the health concerns with dirty needles or human excrement in cities due to homelessness isn't as big of a deal as wild pigs being a vector for swine flu or possibly carrying pathogens that can wipe out deer populations.
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  28818. "When you're less likely to be infected, less likely to have a high virus load, and clear the virus faster, that means you're less likely to infect others." - But you're still infectious, meaning that all you're doing is delaying the inevitable. "Only the delta variant" - And we have incoming variants that are also resistant. That's the evolutionary pressure. If anything, the unvaccinated are keeping the non-resistant strains alive. "This is typical of none of the dozens or hundreds of daily contacts people have." - This seems like more of a critique of the lockdowns than anything else. If the people who are in close contact and then have hundreds of daily contacts are not the issue, then the lockdowns were a crime against humanity. "Households with vaccinated people who never caught the virus are omitted." - What would be the point of including them? To measure effectiveness you have to narrow down on the ones who were exposed. That's how the trial of the shots was done. Not focusing on the 43k people who never got infected. But the 177 unvaccinated who got sick and the 8 vaccinated that got sick. Those who got exposed? They don't matter. Can't measure effectiveness without putting the stuff through the paces. "the less the strain on health services" - They're strained not by being overwhelmed, but due to continuous pressure. There's staff shortages, people quitting. "Subsequent variations are expected to be less lethal; it's better to be infected later than sooner." - So we should have locked down the vulnerable and let it burn through the healthy to generate the less lethal variants? We instead let it burn through the elderly and then the less lethal variants spread to the healthy. Great job. We did it. "Medications and treatment protocols are being improved and developed; again, later, rather than sooner." - They were known pretty soon. We know exactly the mechanism that is killing people. But if you treat them... there goes the emergency use authorization. "There's even a new generation of vaccines coming, which will, hopefully, provide even better protection" - Don't hold your breath. It's a money making racket and they're dishing out a third shot of an outdated variant. This is an instance where we can't help but talk past each other. All you're saying is technically correct. And I believe it's absolutely worthless. Oh, this only applies to Delta? Tough titties, the shot is made for the 2019 Wuhan strain, a two year old strain. There's more variants coming and they're also under evolutionary pressure to infect the vaccinated. If daily outside contacts don't matter, then there's no public service being done. Sorry to be an asshole about it. I'm not questioning the things you're saying, which are probably all true. But there's logical reasons why those things are absolutely worthless to me and many others. I'm happy to see you're also against mandates. I simply think the corruption goes to the top and there's no "actual" benevolent way to implement the measures they want. I think their measures actually made things worse and they killed people for money.
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  28850.  @parkyayak  Wrong. Reactor 1 did not have a turbopump but a passive cooling system, which lasted for 10 hours. The tsunami arrived less than an hour after the earthquake triggered the control rods. That means that cooling of reactor 1 continued uninterrupted for 9 hours after the tsunami. Operators had to shut down the heat exchanger for safety reasons. When they tried to operate the heat exchanger again, it could not be restarted. Reactors 2 and 3 the turbopumps operated for 24 hours. The claim that the tsunami flooding stopped the cooling is false. "A nuclear meltdown and a few chemical explosions, the results of these explosions was actual damage to the facility. This and you say, "the plant survived easily."" - Because it did. The tsunami did not cause nuclear meltdown or the explosions. The plant survived the natural disaster. Failures only started occurring later. "Also, pay no attention to the exclusion zone where no one is allowed to live, even ten years later, because the plant survived easily. Pay no mind to the contamination caused throughout the area that is still in the process of being contained, even ten years later, people cannot return to their homes, but the plant survived easily." - Which was not caused by the tusnami. You're being ridiculous. Stop this childish nonsense. You have no arguments, you're just trying to make an emotional case and enumerating consequences, without actually drawing the relationship between cause and effect. The plant easily survived the natural disaster, and this is evidenced by the fact that the engineers that blew the whistle many years prior had suggested to move the backup systems uphill. They knew the plant would survive the disaster, it would be the backup systems that could fail. And they did, while the plant itself was more than salvageable.
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  28997.  @smile-tl9in  "1% of the earth surface recieve as much as energy from the sun as the world energy cunsumption several times over" - okay, and the vast majority of the Earth is covered by water. Out of the rest of the surface that has land, there's also a large percentage that has lack of accessibility, is too remote, too mountainous to build or simply would cause too much environmental damage to build. So where do you put that 1% considering that you probably only have 3% available? "Saying that we can't use solar because it only convert 42% of the sun energy" - except I didn't say that. My argument is that you can't say "technology will solve it" when we're about to reach the limits of technology. "because turbines only convert about 30% of the energy of vapor" - which doesn't mean shit because 30% out of a metric fuckton of energy is better than literally anything else we have. "No that's just a fact" - But it isn't. Things like night time and seasons are examples of phenomenons that are inescapable and cover an immense amount of land. "the grid i am speaking about would not be much more extended that it would be if we used all-nuclear" - but it would. We're talking about retrieving energy from Africa during European summer, or drawing energy from Russia when it's night in Europe. "Remember nuclear power plants are big and supposed to power a large territory. The grid to deliver said power is very extended" - but they're in that large territory. A system you're talking about would tap energy from several territories across. "you proved you know jack shit about geothermy" - It doesn't, but you can lie all you want. "If it was true every volcanoes would be a radioactive hazard" - volcanoes do spit out Radon gas which is hazardous. The thing is, if you're exposed to Radon you'll also be exposed to SO2, H2SO4, H2S, HCl, HF, CO2, etc. so you'll probably be killed before you develop cancer. But in volcanic regions Radon exposure is a concern. For example Ramsar in Iran has the world's highest natural background radiation because of the hot springs. "The radioactive elements are literally miles deeper that anywhere we can dig. " - that's false because for example the seas have uranium and thorium diluted into them because those elements are spat out from underwater volcanoes and tectonic faults. There have been cases of regions affected by high background radioactivity due to houses being built from igneous rock that contain radioactive elements that emit radiation into the house and then decay into Radon gas that hangs inside the house. You do realize that the Earth is a planet with geological activity, right? That means that what we can dig, has probably spent time very, very deep millions of years ago. https://opinvisindi.is/bitstream/handle/20.500.11815/161/Geothermal%20areas%20and%20cancer.pdf?sequence=1&isAllowed=y https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3511870/ Remember, according to you the radioactive elements are miles deeper than we can dig. But Iceland, Sicily and Portugal (Furnas, Azores) have noticed that volcanic/geothermal areas have consistently higher cancer rates.
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  29041.  @Lastjustice  But that goes both ways. If armed gunmen are coming after me and they have held their fire... I have reasons to think their motives are actually worse than just murder. Was armed robbery aware of the filming? Also, plenty of people film their kills. Remember liveleak? I couldn't make a decision on intent. If you go around chasing people with a gun, you cannot force your victims to make a 100% accurate assessment of your intentions. Your victims are awarded the right to fear for their lives even if you claim that they should have magically read your mind and figured out your intents. Just like many say don't go around robbing construction sites, don't go around chasing random people with a gun. It will go wrong and bad things will happen. "if you tell them you called the police" - Could be a lie. People don't have chips in their brains that force them to tell the truth. "I'd taken my chances trying to talk my way out of situation" - That's great, man. What happens when the "police" finally arrives and it's just more of their friends and they're bringing rope and tape? You had more chances fighting out two guys and then fleeing from the third than now trying to fight 5-6 guys. "Moving into closer range against a shotgun only increase their odds of hitting" - Running away doesn't decrease the chances either. Buckshot will easily land on a man-sized target from 70 yards away. "By maintaining a distance and putting objects between you greatly reduces the odds of being hit" - There was no cover in the immediate vicinity. "I can't say i feel remotely sorry for this career criminal." - I don't feel sorry either. I'm kind of glad this happened, because this means the wannabe cops will lay low for a while. Now if someone stops you with a gun and tells you to wait for the police, you know damned well they're lying to you. Now nobody reasonable is going to attempt that crap.
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  29153.  @WaxNumen  "The government wouldn't decide who gets healthcare, everyone would get it." - that's just false, if (say) the government has a budget for 100 people to get healthcare (small country) and 101 people show up what happens? The government will have to decide who doesn't get it. This is what happens when resources are allocated, when the government purchases X amount of a certain treatment or gives a budget to run machines for Y tests they are essentially making the decision of who lives or dies. This shit happens, a bunch of people died because the government in my country didn't have the budget for enough colonoscopies, there was a controversy and they pledged to increase the budget for that test next year. Since their budget is not infinite I am sure you realize they had to get that money by cutting costs elsewhere. "because doctors would not be forced to do their occupation" - okay, what happens when we take that to the extreme and doctors start quitting? Does the state keep its promise? If the state is going to guarantee healthcare nonetheless, someone will have to be forced to work. You might cry "hyperbole!" but it happened in my city, doctors from a hospital quit en masse because the conditions were so poor they felt like quitting was the only way to get the hospital to shut down. And the state has trouble convincing doctors to go an work in the countryside because nobody wants to move out of the city. You might think you have all the answers but doctors are humans and they cannot be pushed around for too long. Also, nurses have been dealt a pretty bad hand and they constantly protest for better conditions. Their only tool is strikes, if it gets to a point what do you think is going to happen? The state will either have to drop their promise of guaranteeing healthcare or simply change the law so that they can force people back into their shitty jobs and keep the healthcare system running.
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  29192.  @Aus10McNeal  lmao. The US supported Saddam's antics during the Iran-Iraq war. The US never had an issue backing radical dictators. If Gaddafi was such a problem, why wasn't he killed before? Chris "Tanto" Paronto, one of the guys present when the Libya situation went down, said Gaddafi's guards were the ones helping get Americans out of the country alive. "it sure as hell wasn't over oil" - did you know that after the US backed the Mujaheddin, Afghanistan broke into civil war? The US then backed the Northern Alliance to try and keep the country stable. Eventually when the Taliban came out on top the US started dealing with the Taliban to construct a pipeline. The deal broke down because UBL bombed US embassies and the Taliban's official position was that Bin Laden was a stand-up guy. So the US had to remove the Taliban from power and construction was supposed to start in the 2000's but the area was not stable enough. The pipeline only started to be built in the Turkmenistan side in 2015 and in Afghanistan in 2018. Did you know that there's a proposed pipeline going from Qatar to Turkey? Syria stands in the way and Al-Assad won't let it be built. Why does this matter? The Trans-Afghanistan pipeline will allow the West to bypass Iran and Russia. A pipeline going through Turkey can sell gas to Europe, which buys natural gas from Russia. Al-Assad is allied with Russia, and won't allow the construction because he and Russia know that the purpose is to get Europe independent of Russian gas and cripple Russia's economy. Oil tankers are fine and dandy, but gas tankers - they exist, they're the ones with big spheres - are not as optimized to transport natural gas as pipelines. There's an extra cost in liquefying the gas and operating a ship in the sea compared with constructing a pipeline and just doing maintenance. What's my point? My point is explaining that although North America has natural gas out the ass it's perfectly viable to go to war over gas if it means tanking the economy of a strategic foe. Europe wants to stop sucking on Russia's teat and the US wants it even more "We have the largest economy on the planet" - backed by a dollar which is in high global demand because you need to pay oil producing countries in USD. The problem arises when countries like Iraq, Iran, Venezuela and Libya ignore the script and start doing what's better for themselves rather than what's better for the US. By the way, I'm still blaming Chavez and Maduro for the collapse of Venezuela. But the fact is that there's countries oppressing their own people and civil wars in a lot of places and the US doesn't threaten intervention. "Starting wars doesn't help that fact." - not for the little guy. But if you play the cards right you help cripple the economies of foes and you come out better, in relative terms rather than absolute terms. Either way, who cares? It's you and me who are going to pay the bill for the wars.
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  29210. +Andre De Angelis you do realize that if you have a massive health problem in any other country and you can't work you'll go bankrupt as well, right? Not all kinds of treatment are free, we have this thing called "comparticipation" aka the things cost money, but the government agrees to pay for it and the percentage can change. We had an issue years ago where people with melanoma required a form of treatment that had 0% comparticipation because it was skin beauty related. Here in Portugal people died of colon cancer because they couldn't even get a colonoscopy. The government promised more slots so that people could schedule more appointments but it doesn't change the fact that the system is slow enough to kill people. "Bullshit is when a noob job is prioritised over a life saving operation because the recipient of the boob job can pay to jump the queue" --- I seriously doubt that the same doctors at the same clinics are performing two very different types of surgery. "Do rich people who can afford private security firms get a refund for the taxes they pay to fund the police department?" --- that doesn't make any sense because 1) private security cannot perform the duties of sworn officers and 2) the police has no duty to protect meaning that even if they can't get to you in time to prevent a crime you're not entitled to compensation. If you write "syke this universal healthcare bill isn't actually universal because it doesn't guarantee you anything and you should fucking die in a ditch and we won't be held liable for our delays lol" I will wholeheartedly support that bill because it will admit that it won't solve the problem just like the courts determined that the police doesn't have to protect you. Actually tell the people you're selling false hopes and dreams that they're signing up for.
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  29247.  @call-1515  No offense but I'm weary of trusting the "if we did nothing" numbers because most of them were based off bad modelling. And again, we did allow it to ravage through the older populations unchecked - we slowed the spread down among the less vulnerable, which was both useless but also counterproductive. We will probably have 5-10 years of increased mortality due to diagnostics and early treatments we missed, not to mention the psychological and economic harm we caused. The lockdowns were not early. We have found antibodies in samples collected in late 2019 in the Americas and Europe, so the community spread was occurring months before. It's also very misleading to call them early lockdowns because everyone with half a brain or more in their head could see something was happening in Wuhan, and the authorities denied it. When it finally became impossible to put a lid on it, the WHO denied there was human to human transmission. When transmission was confirmed, the WHO denied it was airborne. When they finally admitted it was airborne they refused to call it a pandemic. I can't post images but certainly you remember it too - the media ran multiple articles saying the flu was a lot worse so don't worry about it you racist. When the lockdowns were put in place, it was beyond too late. I'm not talking about the US. I'm talking worldwide. You can't look at cases over time and place a flag on the date mandates were introduced and say they correlate to cases. You people always have an excuse. Okay, if many ignored mandates, you'd still see an effect on the numbers. Women also forget to take the pill sometimes, but as a whole birth rates kinda show we plan our kids ahead rather than have accidents all the time, know what I mean? Even with delinquency there's effects. No healthcare system is designed for the population as a whole. Which is why in every country the lockdowns were sold as a way to save their healthcare system. You think that just because something is public, scarcity doesn't exist? There's physical limits on the space available in hospitals. There's a limit to how many can get to med school and graduate. There's a limit on how much you can order be it medication or masks. Simply because the state controls healthcare, doesn't mean they get to snap their fingers and the whole population is protected. I don't know who sold you this sham that we have unlimited healthcare capacity but we don't. There's a budget every year, and it's really difficult to find the extra money in case something starts to make people fall ill all at once.
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  29258.  @NuEnque  "so you're saying conservatives should just quit? If you fail you get up and try again." - I'm not making this about conservatives, I could hardly consider myself one but my opinions go against the left so by default I am "right wing", my problem is defending anything that goes against the status quo. You know the definition of insanity? Trying the same thing over and over again expecting a different result. This is not Rocky Balboa getting up after getting hit. This is running into machine gun fire in No Man's Land and after a failed attack, blowing the whistle again and sending more men out of the trench. I am convinced it will come to a point internet will become the new TV and the lack of freedom and choice will force people to go into the deep and dark web, encrypt data and use untraceable payments that are completely decentralized and do not need banks (speculators fucking ruined crypto). I'm not quitting. I'm just telling people "see you on the other side". "Enlist help from the NRA and FOX News." - FOX News is a cog in the machine, they are mainstream and will side with the mainstream. The NRA is basically a front for the PR firm Ackerman McQueen. They're a money-making business that panders to boomers. They're not interested in freedom. "Liberals control social media but the president is a racist republican with zero experience." - he's a lifelong New York Democrat who simply predicted the pendulum swing and became Republican when he saw popular opinion turning on Obama. Also, in the politics business, having experience is exactly what I don't want. I don't want a "Frank Underwood" character in office. I don't want a guy who knows all the tricks, has dirt on others, has been corrupted to the core for decades, etc. "Experience" in politics simply means you have done what it takes to survive in that world while the honest people get the boot. You keep bullshitting about republicans and conservatives and racism and hate speech, this conversation is a fucking poisoned well. You think there's no racism against white people? Sexism against males? You think one side is guilty but there's plenty of hate from any sector, my only problem is that it's clear that one side is allowed to err while the other gets instantly deplatformed. We're rushing towards a 1984 world where anything can be redefined as a thoughtcrime or wrongthink and rather than address the issue honestly you pretend this is all about creating a racist website. This is about information and how it is accessed. What happens when a government or corporation decides that WikiLeaks cannot be indexed on google or mentioned on youtube/twitter/etc? Only the people who know about wikileaks would know how to access it, and it would be impossible to warn anyone that new leaks dropped. Create your own website, but you can't talk about it anywhere. The inconvenient has to sit "outside" of the web 90% of people don't step out of. But sure, let's make this about being racist online. Not that long ago the Defense Distributed website was blocked on several states because it distributes gun blueprints. I guess gun blueprints are hate speech now.
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  29383.  @notawinemom8540  "We could have started this school year with no masks required for HS students" - But vaccinated people still need to wear masks. You can't even get the story straight. "The faster your immune system response to the virus, the less virus you spread" - But you still spread. 6 months later we're back to the starting point. "No one ever questioned any of this before 2020" - Before 2020 we were not being threatened with losing jobs or being kicked out of university. "It's like everyone forgot everything they already knew about vaccines once politicians politicized the virus." - YOU people politicized it. "have no issue taking experimental drugs not FDA approved" - They're not experimental when they have decades of use. "2020 was the worst year of my life. I want this to be over." - You're this close to having an epiphany. This is over when you say it's over. "When is this going to end? Never?!" - If you allow them to. "She missed 6 days of school & by Tuesday night I receive an email from the bio teacher that she's failing. Do you see the problem here?" - Yes. I see the problem and I pointed it out over a year ago. "keeping this going is really putting the rest of society out?" - It's not us prolonging this. It's not us paranoid about a sore throat. It's not us demanding society to grind to a halt and hit "pause" on the economy. You look around and think who's actually ruining your life. Hint: it's the people who are willing to keep this going no matter how much you comply. We take the two shots, they'll demand a fourth. This stops when you say it stops.
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  29419.  @PunkOnARant  "I mean you could call WATER an "experimental substance"" - Water has existed in the universe for billions of years and it's the basis of life. "some guy on the internet says "we are being lied to"?" - You can just look at the numbers. The number of cases we're seeing in many countries make it mathematically impossible for the unvaccinated to be the ones getting infected. "i would assume that your politicans with staff are being closely monitored in regards to covid, probably tested very often for it" - That's not an excuse. "Usually a vaccine mandate only means that people who attend different things, such as concerts." - Then you are wrong. The US president issued a mandate that essentially forces all workers in companies with more than 100 workers to get it. "A vaccine mandate only means that us who choose to be vaccinated would get to do things such as go to concerts, and you who choose not to would not." - That right there says why it's a bad idea, you want a two-tier society. "By being against a vaccine mandate for things like concerts, you're actively opposing my freedom." - BS. The vaccinated can still spread. So when you attend your concert, you're exposed to untested vaccinated people. "For why should I not be able to do things i want because YOU choose not to be vaccinated?" - The other way around. Why should you be allowed to say who has freedom? Why should be be able to spread the disease to others by presenting a card? "So a vaccine mandate is good because it allows freedom" - IT DENIES FREEDOM. This is blatant 1984 newspeak. War is peace. Ignorance is strength. Papers please is freedom. "and why your politicians and their staffs probably dont require vaccinations." - That doesn't even explain it. You're just saying you justified it without justifying it!
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  29723.  @p_serdiuk  You're just throwing the usual talking points without any concern for how they fit into the picture. I know all of them. I've been using them for the past decade before NCD and LazerPig made the A-10 criticism popular. The bottom hemisphere being obscured is nonsensical because the nature of the HUD on a dive gives you a straight ahead picture of the target. The round count is preserved by a burst limiter, which allows the A-10 to perform multiple passes. Pilots can't hold the trigger for 12 seconds. That's not how it works. The problem is that you fundamentally misunderstand CAS. When close air support is used, the inherent danger of the procedure takes away weapons release authority from the pilot. There has to be a forward air controller qualified man on the ground to direct the pilot. The USAF as a matter of doctrine does not trust the pilot to make IFF decisions alone and puts the final authority on the troops on the ground who risk getting the ordnance dropped on them. It doesn't matter if it's targeting pod or binoculars, there's a man or woman on the ground holding the pilot's hand. No friendlies in the area? Go ham, the pilot is free to do his thing. I'm not arguing anything. What I'm saying is that if Sherman gunners were told "everyone from here forward is an enemy" they're gonna start shooting. Because they clearly received a confirmation that nobody they could shoot at will be a friendly. And there's friendlies ahead... they're gonna get got and the gunners will only be told about it after it's too late.
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  29733.  @Aaron-wq3jz  Then don't increase morale by lying to troops and claiming air shows are the most effective CAS available. Increase morale by telling them that fast flying jets can point a laser at someone's dick from 15,000 feet AGL and drop a bomb on it. "We do need worry about their feelings, that's one of the main things they teach you to control in the military." - You know what I meant. It was a rub on the whole "facts don't care about your feelings" meme. Do we talk about combat by pointing out what's effective? Or what "feels" effective? "The plane is built with a titanium bathtub to protect the pilot" - Because it was designed at a time 14.5mm was seen as the biggest threat. The world has moved on. Now, if your plan A is expecting to get hit, you've already failed. The pilot will still go down if the rest of the aircraft is shot full of holes. Integrated air defense systems are a death sentence to A-10s, MANPADs are a threat and the 23mm ZSU-23-4 is more than capable of bringing A-10s down. The 2K22 Tunguska is even worse, as it fires ammunition almost as large as the GAU-8. If you slap enough armor on an airplane to survive the modern battlefield, it won't even make it out the runway. "the A10s niche is low intensity warfare again a poorly equipped enemy" - A niche better served by turboprops that fly almost as fast but can take off from FOBs much close to the action, loiter for longer, guzzle less gas, cost less to maintain, etc. "Even if you are in combat against a well equipped enemy you just load stand off weapons" - standoff weapons gain effectiveness by being launched by aircraft flying faster and higher. "on a cheap platform" - The A-10 is not "cheap", it's straight up an aircraft that you can't buy more. The price may as well be "infinite", it doesn't matter how cheap it was in the 1970s if you can't replace it. That makes a greater case for armed drones because they're replaceable, don't risk the pilot, etc.
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  29805.  @matchesburn  Nobody's asking for 5th grade anything. Just for less text, holy crap. 1. Again, it was a fallacy. Everyone knows what a 20mm M61 Vulcan is here. 2. Yes, requiring specific cartridge dimensions when context makes it clear is peak internet insanity. Stop being like this. Be a normal, sane person. 3. Irrelevant. The same goal is accomplished with smaller cartridges. 4. I have not strawmanned you a single time, while you do it every time. 5. Nobody's talking about IR. Smoke will block VISIBLE radiation too. What do you use to aim at tanks through the HUD? Eyes. Nobody said cannon rounds are heat seeking. You're an insane person. 6. Again, another fallacy. Nobody said training isn't training. I'm saying that not being shot at makes things easy. Again, you're insane and you cannot read. Yes, it was a strawman. 7. Actually, the results I got were from the END of the report. Not page 3. 8. There's no contradiction. Smaller cartridges can cause external damage. 9. You're insane. You copy-pasted the following: "The U.S. Army is managing the potential 'demilitarization and disposal' of the depleted uranium (DU) ammunition, which also includes hundreds of thousands of 105mm and 120mm armor-piercing tank shells." You brought up 105 and 120 shells first. Did you not read what you copy pasted? If you didn't read why did you even post it? Still, if you had read the rest you'd see over 30 million 30mm rounds were to be retired. You just stopped reading when your eyes saw 105/120 mm and decided to copy paste.
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  29872.  @randommexican5664  Voting is just a silly popularity context. People voted for Obama to end the wars and close Gitmo. We're still in the wars and only now started talking about Guantanamo Bay. If politicians are just going to lie to get in office, how can you hold voters accountable for anything? "you vote for someone else" - Thanks for the advice man, never tried that. You're just passing the buck. Oh you don't like Biden? Vote harder next time. 4 years. You didn't like Trump? Sucked to be you for 4 years. You didn't like Obama? You didn't like Bush? Vote harder dude. Just ignore that the people you vote for LIE, and there's millions of people voting against you. "You don't go after the cop who is enforcing a law" - Actually, I go after them. "that was legislated by people who were voted in lol" - Those people would have no power if not for cops. They could legislate all they wanted, nobody would hear them outside the echo chamber. It's cops who look at the laws and say "I agree with using violence to enforce all of this, even what I disagree with". If cops are so innocent, they could just not join. Or resign. Being complicit makes them guilty. If a cartel leader orders a journalist or judge to be executed, the sicarios are not to blame? Only the head honcho is at fault? Not the thousands who signed up to serve the cartel? "why most people immediately dismiss most libertarians" - Most people are dumb. Being dismissed by most people is a sign of intelligence, if anything. "Being an edgelord isn't a tenable political platform lmao" - Neither is being an order follower or a government simp. You support the system until the day the system decides to screw you over. It's never tenable. The only tenable platform is being in control. And govt. simps are not in control. They're just the useful idiots who get sacrificed.
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  30008.  @joek600  "You just shoot them, pile them up, spil some gasoline and they are gone forever among the many casualties of war" - They're POWs. This means people will ask questions. Yes, wars have MIA. The problem is, Russia made a huge victory lap over capturing the fighters stuck at Azovstal. Claim they moved to another location? Sure. Show them. If they had to go "missing", they'd have to pretend to not have captured them. a) That's ridiculous. The DPR forces wouldn't have that grudge against the Azov guys, because when they were captured the Western equipment was still trickling in. They're suffering the bombardment now. Not months ago. Weapons depots aren't usually just struck based on a rumor, the entire battlespace is being monitored. A rumor that there's a weapons depot in a place nobody saw trucks coming and going with weapons will not be struck because the US intelligence will simply tell the Ukrainian forces it's empty and to wait for it to fill up with ammo. b) How is it a PR disaster? Everyone knew about them. Except for the media carrying water for Azov, and the people with the memory of a goldfish, "everyone" knew about Azov. That being, everyone with half a brain. Nevertheless, any confession obtained by the Russians is assumed to have been extracted under duress. They'll admit to the most heinous crimes just to get a chance of a lighter sentence. Or to make the torture stop. So they could be on camera admitting to executing civilians and nobody would care, everyone would assume they were tortured, there would be no PR disaster.
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  30248.  @will.roman-ros  "Universal healthcare doesn’t necessarily mean public takeover of the means of healthcare, rather, it can be a government intervention for the private sector" - just ask for the healthcare system to be totally nationalized. State intervention on the private sector will only make things worse, and does absolutely nothing to prevent Big Pharma or medical supply distributors and manufacturers from overcharging the government paying for the stuff. I actually would respect a position that I disagree with but seeks to completely change the situation, than take seriously the proposal to take a broken system and then absolutely mangle it through methods we know will not work. "The free-market can only work with educated, logical individuals" - sounds an awful lot like "the poors are too stupid to decide for themselves" and that's why anyone can easily argue that the left actually hates the lower classes. "It was a suggestion by Adam Smith in Wealth of Nations" - the references I find are to justify the "invisible hand" concept he was not suggesting any system at all - it was an observation he made which can be incorrect for all I care, but the point of it was explaining his "invisible hand" concept and not propose any system. "Trickle down economics only happens with charitable business owners/hierarchy." - which is why everyone takes down the trickle-down strawman. The right-wing concept (and some dumb fucks on the Republican side are absolute brainlets for believing the strawman rather the actual political theory) is that putting hurdles on productivity will lead to the wealthy accumulating wealth or putting their wealth where it can't be taxed. By limiting productivity and having the rich save rather than invest not only will the country lose jobs and send people to unemployment, but the government will actually earn a lower tax revenue. " Low taxes only gets you less from the government. Less security, less education, less healthcare, and less infrastructure." - which is the totally ass-backwards way of looking at it. You think that lowering taxes lowers tax revenue but when you lower taxes productivity increases and the wealthy invest rather than hoard wealth. You actually INCREASE government revenue from low taxes. Again, Woodrow Wilson and JFK both used low tax rates to increase government revenue. Reagan massively increased tax revenue and decreased unemployment with his tax policy (although the government was at a deficit because of his spending). The point isn't that rich will give to the poor. The point is that increasing taxes lowers government revenue and kills jobs,
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  30550. +Xuan Vinh To there would also be no rescue cost if a drone-piloted strike fighter got shot down. Either way the strikes on Syria aren't comparable with the gun runs on Taliban positions when ground troops run into trouble, which is the whole fucking reason people are still enamored with the A-10. The fighters can participate in a fight without endangering the tanker or the AWACs. Launching too early is a bad idea. Why? Because as soon as AWACs are fitted with long range missiles every single combat pilot in the world will be aware that an AWACs radar being turned on means a missile launch is incoming. If you launch from a long distance you're just giving everyone time to turn their backs and outrun your missile before it even comes close. You will still need to get close enough to enemy aircraft to launch a missile that arrives on target with high probability of kill. "It's not that hard to evade one missile" - it's fucking hard in combat simulators, imagine how hard it would be in the real world, with your life on the line. Yeah, not hard at all. "Fundamentally, missiles are fast but have large turn radius. Fighters have small turn radius and they can turn inside the missile's turn." - and the MiG 21 could turn inside a F-4 Phantom's turn but F-4 drivers just learned how to use their speed advantage to let MiG 21 pilots tire themselves out pulling Gs but never managing to get the F-4 off them. A small turn radius only means the missile will have to deflect less to slam into you. You really should look into why turn rate (degrees/second) can be an advantage over turn radius. "No US fighters have integral IRST." - the F35's sensor fusion doesn't have IRST? "The F16 has an pylon mounted "pod"" - does it work or does it not?
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  30783.  @obijuan3004  That's a wall of text full of logical fallacies and purposeful misrepresentations. The people who drafted and ratified the bill of rights clearly foresaw the danger of a federal standing army. The people who declared independence clearly stated that a government that does not serve the people should be dissolved. Everything else you're trying to say to detract from the facts is pure bull. One guy was quoting Mao. Power flows from the barrel of a gun. And for all his flaws, Mao was right. What can a government do without the means to violently enforce its will? You can own a Tomahawk missile, just no defense contractor will sell it to you. Rocket engines are legal. Small scale turbine engines are legal. GPS and INS systems are legal. Even a conventional warhead is legal. You cannot fire a rocket into the air without FAA clearance, you cannot fly an unmanned aircraft over most locales without authorization and registration, you cannot communicate with your missile or have the missile itself use radar in any way that violates FCC broadcasting, and you cannot detonate explosives outside designated bombing ranges. Every functionality you have in a Tomahawk is legal, you're just not able to use it without pissing off several agencies. Saying that the Las Vegas guy couldn't have gotten more kills through other means makes no sense. Ever heard of the Happy Land fire? Some dude with a can of gas and a lit match killed 87. There is no answer. Look at Europe. When attacks like the Charlie Hebdo and the Bataclan massacre became more difficult to pull off, extremists started telling their martyrs to go solo and rent trucks. No matter what, you will always be at the mercy of dangerous people. I know it's a sobering reality, but you do really have to come to terms with the fact that even without guns your family can still end up in the wrong place at the wrong time.
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  30843.  @agnostinosatomon7023  "Mary Beth Sweetland needs because of her Diabetes" - she could have either died for her beliefs or stepped down and taken the L by admitting her life is more important. "Are you morally superior, because you don't rape women ? Or do you rape them, since you are a sexist and women have to submit under your "natural" dominion ?" - that went from 0 to 100 real quick "Would it be o.K. for you to test pharmaceuticals on, let's say darker skinned people or Jews in order to save your pale skinned live one day, since you are a member of a superior race and other races have to succumb to white skinned rulership ?" - that's dumb. The testing should either reflect the general population, or if the medicine is supposed to help me later down the line I'd rather it got tested on a white majority group to make sure there isn't a weird genetic difference that makes the treatment safe for other ethnic groups but dangerous to whites. "Cannibalism, human sacrifices, slavery, opression of women, abuse of children...these actions were all widely accepted and welcomed by different societies in previous times and still are in some places." - and you make the same mistake of assuming that the future will validate your beliefs. "Pigs, cows and lambs are o.k., but Labrador and chimpansee is not o.k. to eat...THAT's pure hypocrisy, based on cultural habits, nothing more." - not really. Dogs and humans share a symbiotic companionship, I can actually use a dog to hunt other animals. There is no logical reason to eat a dog except in extreme starvation. The chimpanzee I would think it's actually dangerous to consume because we share enough DNA for diseases to easily jump across species. Wasn't AIDS spread to humans due to people hunting chimps? I understand there are cultural reasons to not eat dogs but there are logical ones as well.
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  30913.  @cageybee7221  >"production, it's the profits" - okay I'm not a native English speaker so to me "productivity" inherently implies that what you're doing is "productive". If you're producing something that doesn't generate profit, you're not being productive. I was not considering that it could be different in English. >"physical resource production and goods manufacturing of their economy in non-financial terms" - but that's a non-starter because you don't know how "productive" aka how "profitable" your production is. "it is the number the state used to plan it's economy" - yeah and it was a terrible system. >"yes i am asking for a source for that, you still haven't provided any" - my dude you're asking me to go back and track down a historical event I know from the top of my head, that is widely known, that I don't exactly remember where I read and I can't link to anything affiliated with the US. I wasted 30 min of my life and I found it on "Origins of North Korea's Juche: Colonialism, War, and Development" by Chae-jŏng Sŏ, Jae-Jung Suh, Page 141. It describes the overuse of fertilizers and lack of crop rotation that lead to the soils degrading. And you're gonna tell me they're US/South Korean pawns anyway. >"by truck (really obvious and totally out of the question)" - so no trucks ever cross the China/Korean border? >"they are too heavy for cargo planes" - the wonderful thing about mechanical objects is that they're often able to be dismantled. Also, you don't need the whole rocket to reverse engineer it. >"ukraine could not have given them to north korea if they wanted to." - and the Koreans couldn't have made such progress in such short time if they wanted to.
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  30914.  @cageybee7221  you corrected me, and now you're correcting me for correcting myself. Bah! "not even know what production is" - I wasn't talking about production but PRODUCTIVITY. Production can be unproductive. "you can easily measure productivity without profit. how much goods are being produced, what is the rate they are being produced, and how much is wasted" - not really. The Soviet Gosplan had no fucking idea what they were doing because they couldn't accurately gauge what was being wasted, because the recipients of resources could not waste time going back and forth and simply traded goods with each other. Another issue is that without profit or loss, you cannot even tell what is being wasted. Production can be "unproductive" and you don't actually know it because everything looks right in the chart. "it was not a terrible system" - it was, it lead to constant shortages, they were hindered by ideological bias, and pressure to comply with projections lead to reports using falsified data which further caused more problems down the line as the central planning was more and more detached from reality. "it took russia from a feudal agricultural backwater centuries behind the rest of the world" - but it didn't. This is the same shit as Nazi Germany, everyone thinks Hitler saved Germany from the economic recession and whatnot. The fact is that he created an economic bubble that would plunge Germany into a worse crisis and forced him to go to war. When you control a government, and there's no way to go but up, you can use the force and violence of the state to "do things". So the argument that the Soviets "did things" doesn't actually prove that the Gosplan was working right because it wasn't. "it took most capitalist nations over 100 years to do the same" - because others had to actually develop the technology over time, the Soviets imported foreign technology and put it to work so they could make their own. Weird analogy, but for example Beretta had been in the firearms business since the 1500s. What you're saying is like claiming that Beretta took almost 500 years to come up with the Beretta 92 (the former United States service pistol and famous for all the 1980's police movies like Lethal Weapon) and Gaston Glock only took a year to make his Glock 17. Same as the human dream of "heavier than air" flight requiring hundreds of years until the Wright brothers came along, and then a couple of decades later there were teams of engineers who could design, prototype and test a new airplane in a matter of months. "that is by definition not terrible" - because you're talking about different things. If you have control of the state, you can use your budget to buy technology and put your educated people through college to make more of that technology on your own. That's not the same thing as trying to plan an economy without profit signals. Point the guns, collect money, spend that money = easy. Figure out where resources need to go when you're not sure you're making a profit or a loss = complete clusterfuck. Can't conflate the two. "never heard of this soil issue" - "Regular application of large amounts of fertilizer, combined with the lack of crop rotation or incorporation of crop residue into the soil, greatly degraded the soil’s fertility." "Decades of over-fertilization have rendered the soil acidic and with low organic matter." - https://www.38north.org/2010/05/why-north-korea-could-feed-itself/ "In a 1991 "advisory note" addressing the North Korean economy for the years 1992-96, the United Nations Development Programme (UNDP), the only international agency resident in P'yongyang, warned that the practice of intensive chemicalization has led to land degradation--that is, declining soil fertility, falling organic matter content, erosion and soil acidification, and water pollution, with resulting environmental damage." - http://countrystudies.us/north-korea/49.htm "Soil fertility in many areas was trashed by decades of overuse of chemical fertilisers, up to the late 1980s. Yields still suffer." - https://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jul/15/north-korea-farmers-pressure-feed-nation-kim-jong-un "In the Democratic People’s Republic of Korea (DPRK), soil fertility decline is a major factor that prevents the national grain production goal from being realised. The strategic use of legume-based pasture leys as rotations in intensive single and double cropping systems has proven to be a sound, low-cost means to boost soil fertility in other parts of northeast Asia. However, using pasture species in this way is a new technology in DPRK and there is some reluctance by cooperative farm managers to devote any of their cropland to ley pastures, irrespective of soil condition, because of a fear of failure to meet grain production targets set by the Government." - https://www.researchgate.net/publication/223561605_Strategies_to_improve_cropland_soils_in_North_Korea_using_pasture_leys "During the 1970s and 1980s, North Korea experienced great success in agriculture as a result of high-density planting and extensive use of fertilizers. These methods however, proved to be detrimental to the natural soil balance and subsequently brought on such negative side effects as soil fertility deterioration. International organizations have urged North Korea to decrease its planting density and use less fertilizer to restore soil balance. " - https://ageconsearch.umn.edu/record/288201/files/6.pdf "But by 1987, food production started to decline as the country’s soils began to collapse after decades of industrial agriculture on often marginal lands." - https://foodfirst.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/PB11-Famine-in-North-Korea-Christine-Ahn.pdf "The area under cereals covers over 80 percent of Korea's arable land. The limited availability of arable land and the government policy of food grain self - sufficiency has led DPR Korea to opt for high intensity agriculture. Soils are poor (pH 5 to 7, with organic matter only at 0.5 to 1.5 percent) - and the risk of erosion is high in uplands." - http://www.fao.org/3/ac623e/ac623e0e.htm "North Korea stresses that this is essential to avoid further soil acidification caused by the excessive application of chemical fertilizers." "The prevailing system, in which a single crop of rice is grown in paddy fields and a single crop of maize in the uplands, is now being revised, and double cropping is recommended. Crop rotation has the advantage of improved fertility for soils depleted by monoculture, as well as higher total yields per unit of land." "Third, North Korean authorities ordered farmers to cut down perennial plants such as pine trees on mountain slopes, and plant corn in their place. This method was successful at first, but corn production required a great deal of fertilizer. The rugged terrain also meant that a large labor input was needed to harvest the corn and transport it to towns. The really damaging result was that as trees were cut, there were landslides which destroyed not only the upland terraces but covered fertile lowlands in sand and rock. Forest clearance and the construction of terraces were the main cause of the floods in 1995 and 1996." - http://www.fftc.agnet.org/library.php?func=view&id=20110726131553 I'm a complete layman and I know about the North Korean soil issue. "STILL haven't provided an actual source for it" - I DID YOU ABSOLUTE LIAR. READ MY PREVIOUS COMMENT AGAIN. "Origins of North Korea's Juche: Colonialism, War, and Development" by Chae-jŏng Sŏ, Jae-Jung Suh, Page 141 "you mentioned you couldn't find a single non-US backed source" - NO I SAID THAT ACCORDING TO YOUR RULES I CAN'T LINK ANYTHING RELATED TO THE US SO I'M POINTING HOW THE DIFFICULTY IN TRYING TO REMEMBER IF A SOURCE I DON'T REMEMBER IS IN ANY WAY AFFILIATED WITH THE US GOD YOU PEOPLE ARE SERIOUSLY DIFFICULT TO TALK TO WHEN YOU'RE ALL WILLING TO PULL AT ANY THREAD TO SEE IF IT UNRAVELS "that truck would have to go through russia and be put on a train to north korea, meaning it would have to cross hundreds of miles through one of the most corrupt nations in the world and somehow not be stolen." - lol so you went from "it couldn't be done because it's illegal" to "those places are so used to illegal shit it would be stolen". I couldn't give less of a shit where it came from but there's one good side to corruption - you know you can pay people off to make shit go through. The fact is that they're using a design that isn't theirs. "clearly, north korea did make such progress in such a short time because they have the bomb now. you are just denying reality at this point." - again, you're unable to argue so you'll strawman everything I say to make it seem like I said something else. Here's a good explanation of the NK rocketry design: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UieXfhcmkpQ Either way, you accused me of not providing a source. Either you're not paying attention, or lying. It's not like I have a scoreboard for arguments or anything, but even you need to recognize that if you need to lie about my comments and strawman me it means you're losing. I expect better, no strawman arguments from now on, please.
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  30930.  @isodoublet  "You're still assuming there's only exactly a 'third', when in reality there'd be more" - So you're now using 4-5 radars all in redundant positions to do the job of ONE radar could do against 4th gen. Seems like 5th gen is amazingly useful by forcing countries to spend all their money on redundant radars. "you fire your SAM, and then you move" - You can't pack up that quickly. "Powerful enough, and the most important part of that was 'smart'." - No you said the radar would be larger and now you're trying to backpedal. Smart? Amazing. Unexplained technology. "Please look up the word "smart" in the dictionary before continuing." - Please disclose what kind of technology you're talking about or your argument will be dismissed. "That must be why they're now thinking of retrofitting bigger AMRAAMs into the F-35." - They're not absolute telephone poles like SAMs are. AMRAAMs are fired from altitude, at speed. SAMs have to be fired from 0ft AGL and at 0 kts airspeed. To get decent range out of a SAM it's got to be a telephone pole because you need to spend a lot of energy just to get from stationary to airborne. "Not after a "slight nudge of the stick" you don't." - Please educate yourself on how energy works. When a missile is fired at the max range of a SAM, the targeting system has to point the missile to where you WILL be in the future. By changing your heading you're forcing the missile to spend its boost phase getting to speed to intercept a point you don't intend to be. That's why firing at max range doesn't work, the aircraft can simply turn back and it's suddenly outside range. The way to score a kill is to fire only when you have the aircraft inside your no escape zone, or fire multiple missiles to get the aircraft to go defensive and eventually make a mistake. "Look at the Su-57's engines and get back to me." - Again, it's a sorry excuse of a cope aircraft. I'm not sure what the lack of s-ducts have to do with your position but it sure as hell shows it's a cope.
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  30933.  @isodoublet  "Please show where in that I said the radar needs to be so big it'll ruin the point of the missile." - I already did. You want to downplay what you said by bringing up "computers". Just admit you were wrong when talking about power and move on. "I'm explaining to you why that's absurd since there's no sense in which the possibility of Russian success would cause me optimism" - Is this some kind of joke? You have a vested interest in the failure of stealth technology and a belief that things will just go better than expected for anti-stealth tech, so that is optimism. No matter what nation you're in. "I'm calling it like I see it." - Well, I'd suggest going to the eye doctor. "I have no idea what you're on about." - Projecting strength prevents attack. Hiding strength will require a bloody conflict to be useful. You know what I'm on about, you're just playing to not have to be forced to admit you were wrong. "The contrary." - Then why do Russia-aligned outlets trash stealth? "If they can already detect them, they'd want the US to continue to compromise their designs" - But conventional designs would be even easier to detect. "more expensive" - You already said the US has more money. You've already conceded defeat in this argument. "If they're trained in a strategy you can already defeat, it doesn't matter." - What? Crews need to be trained to use this new technology. That means it becomes public. "Lol that doesn't prove anything." - It does. You just claim it doesn't because it torpedoes your narrative. Russian aligned outlets badmouth stealth and try to convince American citizens it's a waste. "It's cultural." - So it's in their culture to be suicidal enough to keep a secret that would discourage attack if made public? "Strategically, it makes more sense to hide the capability" - No, it makes more sense to do everything to deter attack. "motivate the US to waste money and overcommit to a strategy they can already counter." - Like you said, the US has more money. So they would simply increase the cost of the war, but still lose in the end. "stealth puts the adversary in a comparatively comfortable position because it's so expensive to build and operate" - Again, the US can afford it. Russia's economy can't. "That would not be the case if the US' strategy were based on overwhelming numerical superiority" - The US has the two largest air forces in the world. "It doesn't prove any of that, sorry." - Don't have to be sorry, but the F-35 still humiliated the Russian defenses. "It doesn't matter that they're linked" - It does. It means they got BTFO'd. "I did, and you still don't know that." - Then you'd know that a major plot point is that the Soviets unknowingly doomed the world by activating the doomsday device before publicly announcing it. I don't think they'd accept destruction just to score a couple of kills on stealth jets over deterring a conflict in the first place.
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  30935.  @isodoublet  I'm sick of this. My point here is that you're the alleged physicist who claims stealth doesn't work, then implies that it requires the defending nation to invest in 5x more radars to do the job of one, it requires more power on the radars mounted in active/semi-active missiles, then claims that signal processing can see stealth and expects to be taken seriously when LITERALLY EVERY ONE OF THESE MEASURES WILL MAKE 4TH GEN OBSOLETE. You make stealth visible, no 4th gen can enter contested airspace. You will not save money creating hordes of easily shot down 4th gen aircraft that will be easily targeted by defenses that defeat stealth. Not just due to the cost of dead and captured pilots, but also because capable 4th gen is as expensive as F-35s if not more. You've already admitted that stealth works by pointing out how a defending nation with less money than the US needs to invest 5x on the number of radars and crews just to be able to have enough redundancy to deal with strikes on radar sites. Not just that but your dream scenario of stealth defeating technology essentially makes stealth aircraft the new normal aircraft, while 4th gen and prior become vulnerable turkeys that cannot get anywhere close to any foreign nation implementing this Jesus tech. And somehow, despite having 5x the number of radar crews, not a single one has posted anything online while drunk late at night, been contacted by intelligence agencies or just emigrated from outside the reach of his country's intelligence and blabbed about their plans to shoot down stealth aircraft. You're also the alleged physicist who doesn't understand missiles have a limited energy budget defined by their fuel capacity and their aerodynamic efficiency when maneuvering, so you sit and type about 50G turns not understanding that SAMs do not fly like in Behind Enemy Lines. You claim that radars that need to get packed into u-hauls can move out of the way from anti radiation missiles, then come around and ask for specifics when it's your burden to explain how quickly the radar can be moved. Russian-built defenses already got BTFO'd by F-35s. Russian-built defenses already got BTFO'd by drones. You have nothing except optimism bias and a secret hope that stealth fails, and if the day comes that God forbid this gets tested for real, you will remember this conversation and realize how wrong you were.
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  30936.  @isodoublet  I tracked down the information on the Russian-Syrian link. August 2017, reported by tass / defense / 962057 A unified air defense system has been set up in Syria thanks to efforts of Russian and Syrian military experts, Chief of Staff and Deputy Commander of the Russian Aerospace Forces Major-General Sergey Meshcheryakov told a round table dedicated to the Syrian experience at the Army-2017 International Military-Technical Forum. "Today, a unified integrated air defense system has been set up in Syria. We have ensured the information and technical interlinkage of the Russian and Syrian air reconnaissance systems. All information on the situation in the air comes from Syrian radar stations to the control points of the Russian force grouping," he said. The Russian air defense group in the Hmeymim airfield area includes a radio engineering battalion, a battery of the Pantsir-S air defense missile and gun systems and the S-400 air defense missile systems. "These air defense missile systems are capable of destroying targets within a range of up to 400 kilometers at an altitude of up to 35 kilometers," Meshcheryakov said. In April 2018 it was reported that AGM-158B JASSM had been used to strike weapons facilities in Syria, with none being intercepted. The Syrian defenses launched forty SAMs blindly, and only by the time they realized there impacts were coming. The Russian defenses were active but they did not engage. This combined with the Israeli strikes and the drones in the Azerbaijan-Armenia conflict really show that Russian defensive systems are lacking.
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  30938.  @isodoublet  "there's zero evidence that's the case, sorry" - Then why didn't they fire and kill the incoming B-1s? Oh let me guess - the vatniks told you that the Russians were warned of the attack by the US and told to stand down or something. I've seen people delusional enough to claim that. "And I've been asking several times for evidence that the Russians have been committing their top shelf radar assets to this" - Special pleading. I already sourced the statements by Chief of Staff and Deputy Commander of the Russian Aerospace Forces Major-General Sergey Meshcheryakov. Additionally - from oryxspioenkop / 2018 / 10 / flying under syrias radar special: "While the tasks of the aforementioned helicopters are relatively straightforward, the SyAAF also operates at least two Mi-17s airborne jamming platforms for the jamming of enemy air defence radars. First seen during a large-scale Syrian Arab Air Force exercise in July 2012, the first type was seen equipped with two oddly shaped containers installed on either side of the fuselage. While the exact purpose of these containers remain unknown, it is now believed that they are part of the North Korean TACAN electronic jamming system installed onboard at least one SyAAF Mi-17. The TACAN electronic jamming system was reportedly (quoting statements from a Syrian defector) used against a Russian crewed SyAADF Pantsir-S1 self-propelled anti-aircraft system in a series of test taking place in early 2012. This test came after Syrian complaints regarding the Pantsir-S1's ability to cope with electronic countermeasures, which are heavily employed by the Israeli Air Force during their raids against Syrian military installations. While the Soviet Union's and Russia's standard response to criticism on its military hardware has been to blame the operators and not the quality of the hardware itself, the Russians suffered a serious blow when the TACAN electronic jamming system successfully managed to jam the Pantsir-S1 during the 2012 test. Despite the Pantsir-S1's supposed ability to deal with heavy electronic countermeasures, the Russian crew's efforts to evade the jamming were in vain." Syrian-operated helicopters with North Korean-built jamming equipment can defeat Russian Pantsirs crewed by Russians. And the claims come from a Syrian defector.
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