Comments by "Lautaro Quiroga" (@LautaroQ2812) on "Brodie Robertson"
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I am learning about it and I was kinda entertained getting to know a little bit of history and where "unix" and "GNU" came from, relating to Linux.
So from now on, while I am ok with anyone calling it what they want (which is the essence of this OS! We can do what we want!), I will start calling it G - N - U Linux. Not "Gnu".
So maybe some day I will get my own DT pissed 1 minute video.
Jokes aside, I do firmly believe that while GNU and knowing why it's there and what it means MATTERS... Tux and Linux is just plain better. The "Gnu" animal is so fucking dumb. Meanwhile the pengWings can look like secret agents. And the word is just cool. "Linux". It's simple, fast, catchy. If you want people to adopt, semantics on silly names are the least of your problems. And to make matters worse, even when "Linux" was a "novelty" 10 or 10+ years ago... for the regular person, it was "Linux, the one with the little penguin".
He got upset for a naming scheme he didn't respect himself.
Got upset for a personal tier list.
What's next? Maybe he does need to sleep.
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After your video, I do not think they are doing open source (as you said, that's ok!) but I do worry. Maybe perhaps because of being ignorant, I thought "open source" was just... "Not proprietary closed code" on where people could look at it and know what was going on.
Again, perhaps I'm just ignorant, so maybe I don't represent others but I do feel that me, somewhat tech savvy and that I have dipped my toes into Linux before didn't understand this properly or didn't even know about "fair code" term or even that OSD definition (I didn't even know that existed), maybe other people won't either.
And I am South American, which means most people here across several countries (minus Brazil) speak Spanish. I've heard about "Linux", "Foss" and "Open source" since I was a teenager from some (computer class) teachers at school. But I've never heard anyone mention "fair code". Not growing up in school, not on the internet up until this moment (I'm almost 30). I will repeat at the risk of being annoying: perhaps it's just me. Perhaps I dropped the ball in... not seeing that? Or whatever you wanna call it.
But I feel the term Open Source goes around willy nilly a lot and I feel a lot of people don't take these guidelines of the term into account. And my gripe is that this wouldn't be brought up by the Microsofts of the world or the Googles. This is something mentioned over and over by people in the community or within the sphere. So the fact that this ISN'T a cemented definition engrained in people's brains as a default thing... in simpler terms and with a comedic twist I see it as "FOSS advocates still fight over the definition of the key characteristic of their software after 50 years".
I think this is a great conversation to be had openly and more frequently, and that people should "press" for this to be out there much more.
Edit: So if I understand correctly to summarize: Open Source is like super omega free with no restrictions no matter how sad you feel and fair code is anything as open source as it can be but you put in some restrictions. If this is correct, then this distinction needs to be more popular, I feel it's good to know.
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I've been loving the challenge and all the reactions. I am both learning and noticing new things with each.
For example, now. Let's go:
- Linus doesn't know about apt on Manjaro but sets up a KVM. Also Linus, who is the master of hotkeys and shortcuts doesn't know you can refresh with... F5?. I've always used F5, I swear lol. I don't understand why you'd look for "refresh" in a contextual menu BEING LINUS. Being your mom or whatever it makes total sense; Kinda awesome your mom would know about refreshing.
That said, the fact that it isn't in the context menu is kind of a problem and dumb decision. Also, that said, I've been copying from SSD to HDD folders with 4.5Gbs of files (avg) and they're done in like... 2 minutes. And they would be much faster I think, if I had a better PC and more importantly, super fast SSDs like Linus probably does.
As for the printers, they both say and show what printers they have so I mean, go watch the video again? Lol
Linus talking about file extensions in previous videos and literally going "delete dis, .zip is done!" in this one was hilarious to me.
I also don't understand why that happened to Linus. As far as I'm aware, Manjaro ships with VLC. So that should've worked without problems. You recommend VLC, funnily enough Chris Titus recommends Celluloid because VLC works badly for him (and he shows it on the video). I tried both, they're ok. I tried Haruna too.
And yes, you can pretty much "configure" and "show alternatives" for almost everything on KDE. That's why I like it, and you can configure the show desktop button to minimize everything.
The "On the bottom" text is... a dumb complain. That's just him not liking it, is not an issue.
I moved from Manjaro yesterday because I didn't want to deal with "arch stuff", installed Zorin because it looked like it would do the job but then I realized I hate gnome and nautilus. So I just deleted again and installed KDE Neon lol. Still need to finish configuring it, but so far so good.
One of the biggest issues Manjaro has imo, even though it's very user friendly, is that Arch needs its own packages and then you have flats and snaps as well (and aur!). Is too much to keep track of if you run into problems later.
I like Dolphin a lot, though I do agree that there should be an option to get admin privileges, at least with a warning screen of "hey you gon break stuff if u done goof!".
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Original comment, deleted because you kind of answered in video that can't be done at browser level:
Honest question, no judgment: Why do people like you, who use a "Different chrome" as browsers care about this so much? Don't you feel you are actually doing a disservice by using yet another chromium based browser? Are you afraid that even people who use Chromium Based browsers but not Chrome would get locked out? (I don't see this happening unless Google and Microsoft ally with each other? to not fuck each other over?).
You say commenting isn't enough, which I 100% agree, just like marching protests. But is the argument of being a "fork" enough to say you use "chromium but just a bit" and move on? Legitimate question as I have no knowledge about this. No real technical knowledge, I mean. It's the reason why I came back to Firefox (and consequently to Linux), despite the inconveniences.
Like if everyone used FF (or Safari) and nothing Chrome related (including Chromium), wouldn't that have much more weight into the web as a whole? (Not saying you HAVE to use FF, just posing the thought).
Edit: thinking of Edge, it's the only one that (natively) streams Netflix 1080p or up to 4K, for example. So I think this change would suit Msft to partner with Google. They just play pretend enemies.
New addition: We're fucked. Mozilla has been "exploring" the option for tab grouping for more than a year now. They push extensions as "the cool thing" instead of making it into the browser as a feature. They ship things like "pocket" which I guess some people use and others like me, don't. Thankfully you can remove it.
My country has 50% poverty and rampant crime where the legal system can't even act quick and swift enough to put criminals in jail (or not release them). I doubt we can do anything at all to have a say in a worldwide internet matter. I still believe that we could do our "grain of sand" part by switching browsers, which is what I have done. My doubts still remain: "In the hypothetical people do not use Chromium based things, would that help"?. That is maybe the main question I actually want to know the answer to. And I said we're fucked because as you said, people are not going to all switch to FF. Or protest. A lot of people just use Edge because it's right there and people like it or not, it's a good browser that works very well, minus Msft telemetry bs and Bing ads. I used it as main browser before switching and some of its stuff, I still miss. Other stuff, I do not.
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Some people are tribal and annoying (or even aggressive/disrespectful) about it but at the end of the day, they do have a point from heart.
If you keep using Ubuntu, Canonical keeps existing. They keep adding Amazon stuff to it and/or snaps, which we all (or most of us) dislike. They keep driving things forward that are not really that great. And it would take a while for "normal people" if Linux got popular, to realize or even care since by nature, Linux already is not on your face all the time unlike Windows.
But if people were logical and spoke up whenever something's bad, they would not have to be using Linux in the first place, because Windows would be "good". Does what I'm trying to say make sense?
I'm not a Linux expert by any means, but if you're going to use Debian based, go with something simpler, if you do that and you go Ubuntu based sort of speak, why not go Mint directly? Imagine everyone coming to Linux using Ubuntu, and then it gets so popular it starts getting monetized with ads baked in just like Windows... "Linux" will have that image for majority of people regardless of how many distros you have or whatever.
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For some reason, at 3:40 for like 20 seconds it goes to 190p and then comes back to 1080 xD weird
Can you please make a follow up video through EVERYTHING. You know, how you always do, going from one tab to another saying BUT, HOWEVER... PHON.
I keep saying people everywhere saying "use firefox, use firefox" ALL the time. But they have a somewhat lackluster development track record due to building other services, they don't even have tab grouping (a request made with like 2500 votes in the community forums over 2 years ago), they added telemetry which I personally don't mind that much, but I do like Brave's "sync chain" thing that doesn't connect to a server. They also get money from Google and started shipping Google as default search engine and got rid of other options. I remember they used to ship FF with you being able to select DDG, Ecosia, Qwant, etc. however now you can't (OOTB experience).
How is this any better, really? And people keep saying FF is fully open source. I had thought or at least I saw/heard somewhere maybe in some videos that the "client" was, but not the engine thus why we only have forks of FF but we never got a new browser using FF's engine.
It would be really cool if you laid everything out, even if it becomes a longer video because I feel no one talks about this or mention the cons of Mozilla/Firefox and they just push it out to the community like Google pushes Chrome when you go to their sites.
That said, responding to your question, just as I have hopped from distro to distro, I've done so with browsers. From IE (lol, really) to Legacy Edge, New Edge, Chrome and almost everything else except Safari.
For a long time I've used and loved Firefox (still think their logo is THE BEST AND MOST BEAUTIFUL EVER, I just want to press it), but after a while it got stagnant and then all the reasons I stated above. I see no point using the browser that once was god tier and freed people from IE that is now an excuse made by a company that holds a bunch of activist hippies that don't do anything useful.
So now I use Brave. I wasn't using it because their UI was fucking garbage. Now that they have changed it into something usable and modern, I have no issues for the most part. The crypto stuff... eh. I just remove/disable and call it a day. I wish it wasn't there but what can you do. And I do miss the customizability of Firefox. Other than that I guess this is fine.
Edit: Like as a closing final point... Firefox is getting traction again because it's the best worst option due to everything else using Chromium and due to Google being worse than garbage, but not because themselves have made good strides forward and thus the community likes the features/changes. And that is my biggest gripe.
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Ā @BrodieRobertsonĀ I don't. I agree it would be AWESOME. But if you go to supermarket A, and buy a can of sliced pineapple, and then you go to another supermarket B and try to get the same can, they are not going to let you leave without paying, lol.
This is the exact same thing. One thing is OWNING THE PRODUCT, which if you buy directly from the devs, then it would make sense you could run it as many times and anywhere you want that is supported.
But Steam, Xbox (Msft store), PlayStation... are publishers. Are that, stores. So you have to buy it again, because you're buying in that store. Your example in the video was perfectly clear and it made sense. Linus is being stupid, which is bad considering he's pretty smart on a lot of things and has a lot of data about business that we don't.
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I understand the sentiment in the first part of the video and agree somewhat but I feel it leaves out the nuance of the inherent problem of this game or these projects.
Minecraft is a generic name, clearly on purpose. It's an 8 bit block looking world game, you have mines, you craft. Mix them. The end. I don't wanna sound too South American but... Minecraft is the videogame equivalent to "basketball" or "football" XD imo. Like it doesn't have identity either. What happened was it became the most popular game ever (more or less than Tetris, I can't remember).
So for the FOSS one, they are tackling not just a genre but basically an IP. And there is no way around that. Like for example if you wanted to do a school of magic... wow "a wizardy school". Where did we hear that one before? Well no, HOLD ON. This isn't Harry Potter... this is a bit more traditional, classical fantasy stuff. Dragons and... no, hold on, it's NOT LORD OF THE RINGS. Ok what if we make it in the future instead? I SWEAR IT'S NOT STAR WARS MAN, SHUT UP.
Of course I'm joking and there are ways you can take certain things from these and not make it the same, but at some point or another, there are going to be overlaps just because of how massive and encompassing these IPs already are. Same for Minecraft which for this case, is basically "the only game" in that genre (it's not, but when you consider the nuance of popularity... it's basically the only one). And if it sounds like a duck, walk like a duck and looks like a duck... it's a duck.
The rebrand is pretty good itself, but to be honest it's just a made up name. It could be anything else and it could be just as good, just for the fact that it goes away from the "block", "mine" and "craft" part - which in turn also makes any other made up name generic. It is a short name, if it picks up people will remember (maybe) but is not catchy to the point where "it makes sense". At the same time, to give credit to them, there is a trillion dollar cunt company that is just called "Fruit". Picking a name is pretty damn hard.
[edit: had just woken up and the above and below paragraphs kinda contradict each other and thought it was funny so I leave it this way instead of making it better]
For how hard this would be, Luanti is pretty fucking good imo but like I said, unless you read the explanation, it does sound like a made up word. It also could've been any fancy word as the name of one of the precious metals or minerals in the game or in the (real) world. Because why not. "Lazuli" is as short and samey as "Luanti", to an extent. With the explanation, I prefer Luanti of course.
And looking at the thing today, as a "platform" not just a game... it went from "we're testing minecraft" to "we're becoming roblox"? Again, not bashing the contributors for this one but it proves my previous point. It's now a platform, it has a ton of things being worked on and games being made on it, etc... that's Roblox (as far as I know).
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Am I just completely ignorant? Because if I remember well enough the videos from last year which were kind of hilarious with the whole ordeal, at the end, I understood that you can't simply decide that your "open source" (as we've learnt yesterday from your fut...o video) can't be forked or have some restrictions, however, after they tried to do that to her, I felt it was understandable for her to put her foot strong and tell them "if you're so good, make your own" which they did... sort of. They did forking hers. So it is kinda funny.
I mean, I care 0 about this because it doesn't affect me, since I just deal with MSI stupid shenanigans. But from the outside looking in it's very funny and I side with her, even if "technically speaking she's doing the wrong thing".
Edit: Also hilarious that the mails look like from 2002 and the website and links as well. Put some color and design to that guys, stop fighting.
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Funnily enough opposite to spiritmacardi, I am on Windows because I (for hte most part) download app, install, download and install drivers. Boom, playing. And if there's any issues, I have 2 or 3 main things where I go to:
1- issues with the game itself (too new, not optimized, optimized for only nvidia or amd, etc)
2- Issues with the game's config inside the game
3- Your PC specs are not performing correctly or are not powerful enough.
Yes, the OS is garbage in many aspects and has bugs and shit all around, but when it comes to that USUALLY (not always) you start on those 3 points and you're (again, USUALLY...) good to go.
On Linux I have to create a file, put in a code I don't know how to write so I copy it from the internet so the system auto mounts a drive which may or may not work, which then you have to ask for help around, as well as "permissions" for a drive when creating a second steam library on another disk, and hope that doesn't break anything, and then having 50 different proton versions, eggroll versions and then experimental, and then linux steam runtime version or whatever (it's been some months so i forgot specifically). This is CRAZY.
Yes, I hate Microsoft and their stupid telemetry and hit on performance as much as you. I hate they break into your stuff (or break your stuff) and privacy as well, etc, etc. But at the end of the day... I just wanna get Steam, download a game and play it. And if I eventually want to play online games, especially MMOs (whenever a good one comes out again), I can't do that on Linux (generally speaking).
I wrote this comment to comment on the comment (lol) of "One DE should monopolize". I agree with the sentiment, objectively it sounds like "the solution". However with Linux is much more complex. First you have the base systems. Arch, Debian? Something else? So there should be a consensus on which one to use and why. A perked up Debian based system with newer packages but still tested enough that is not going to break when you're making coffee? Or Arch and "test it a bit more" and if it breaks just "oops I did it again..." (were you singing that?) just like Microsoft does (generally speaking, again). Let's say the community in a miracle all come together and decide for something, personally for me I wouldn't think that ONE DE is the solution. But I would just leave 4: KDE, Gnome, [Some tiling manager] and a low-resources DE. (we are talking about Officially supported DEs, if people wanna make new ones after they can of course).
KDE because I'm biased. I think is aesthetically pleasing and the customization is intuitive ENOUGH albeit overwhelming at times with some quirks and customized in certain ways could be really useful and have both the mainstream "curated" look as well the functionality. Gnome, I fucking hate it but half of the world who uses Linux likes Gnome. So I wouldn't want someone taking away KDE from me, I would not take away Gnome from them.
Tiling managers because they are cool and productive and you have people like Brodie who loves those. They do have useful applications and not always you can replicate the behavior on the other DEs. So for those who like those, imo they still need to have one developed (and if possible integrate the different managers into 1 with all the features or refine the existing ones).
Low-resource DE... obvious.
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I will comment my utopia:
Some good but also really smart people create a new processor, motherboard and such. Perhaps it can be compatible with available ram and other things, so just Mobo and CPU. They make it from scratch to be open source, and work on open source such as Linux. The part where they prototype and test it... idk how that would go. After that, you have Linus and others test it. Like REAL test it and solve the major bugs. Then you release to the public, and with the adoption, even if it's not that big, you can set yourself to get help from the community on bug fixing for a stable product. Once stable, assuming people would adopt it more (including businesses like tuxedo and such, instead of using intel), you can ramp up production. Previously before anything started you presented the project with a timeline. Now we're at the part were you scaled up production of these 2 parts and sold them. After this, you create peripherals that work well with Linux, so we can all have RGB and fancurves directly baked on Linux. No stupid proprietary software that is just shit. And after the first "default" (or reference) samples work well enough, the code is then opened to everyone so more people or companies could build their own mice or keyboards with the same base code so it works, but perhaps they have different design ideas and stuff.
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I was just researching something... I forgot what it was. About an issue of removing some stuff. And one of the comments said something along the lines of "I forgot that Linux is not like Windows where you can add/remove programs and usually it removes them alone and safely (for the most part) - On Linux there's a higher chance that cleaning or removing something will break some dependency and then fuck something else up".
THAT is personally for me, as a linux noob user, one of the biggest problems Linux as a whole has and it is NOT solved with a GUI package manager / software installer-updater.
The argument you and some others made about people never installing an OS or updating is 100000% correct. A lot of people barely know how to turn the computer on, click on the browser button and navigate the web. And that is enough for them. My mom even though she's smart enough to be a doctor and save your life, you might as well be DEAD FOUR TIMES before she understand what the cloud is š¤£ and she doesn't understand that "she logs in once and the browser saves your passwords" (You don't need to write 50 passwords down in your notebook!). So imagine having to work around the workaround of having an office suite look-alike and god forbid something weird happens or something normal but important, like not having courier or arial font to use.
But overall, things don't need to get stripped from their features or the way they work. Just the base system, imo, where you don't need to manually install dependencies and repositories and such, and then copy the text in your terminal that has gone wrong and ask some people in a forum to check it for you. Or having your GUI manager have a problem.
Now I understand is easier said than done, because a lot of things that cause issue are proprietary. So that's no Linux nor devs fault. But if majority of distros are based on Ubuntu, and Ubuntu uses pulseaudio, PLEASE FIX THE GODDAMN THING. Include an equalizer and make it work well! Could you believe I had a much easier time installing it on Manjaro than KDE Neon? I went with a debian/Ubuntu based distro for the sole reason of installing .deb stuff and not run into issues, lol.
And the fact that things steam from another thing on Linux make it way too hard to make mainstream, to maintain and to make it popular and easy to learn enough for regular people. Just trying to teach them about Linux > Debian / Arch /Ubuntu/RPM-Fedora is a whole afternoon.
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