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Comments by "zjeee" (@zjeee) on "Euro 7: Europe's Civil War over Banning Cars" video.
Public transport is usually heavily subsidized with the government. Remember that when you use public transportation, most of the cost the taxpayers have already covered.
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And for the people that cannot afford 60k Euros for a Tesla? Driving is only going to be for the rich, sounds like a pretty bad deal for the working class people to me.
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It's already a given that it will not pass, it's not realistic. Probably the idea was set a very ambitious exgtreme goal so when it gets watered down as it inevitably will it will still be at a decent level.
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Well you do realize that stores will have to be refilled somehow right? The food doesn't just magically appear in the supermarket it needs to be transported there. Don't mean to be rude but it kind of sounds like you assume everyone can work remotely and everything will be within walking distance. Maybe if everyone lived in a small rich country like one of the Northern European countries like Sweden or Denmark and worked with like say software engineering that you can do from home it would work yes. Truth be told the vast majority of the world's population doesn't have the opportunity to do so. It would be incredibly expensive you would have to rebuild whole cities to accommodate for the increase of people on the walking streets, the buildings are too tightly packed for your idea to work in a big city. Maybe a small town could work, just trying to imagine Shanghai with 20 million and everyone will walk/take the subway. Sounds like a nightmare to be honest.
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Yep basically rich people drafted up a resolution either A) Not realizing everyone else is not as rich as them or. B) Doesn't give a damn about you if you are not rich.
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Yep, they surely are making it easier for the anti-EU parties around Europe. Perhaps more nations will join the UK and do their own BREXIT.
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It's just politics, everyone agrees we need to protect the environment it's how we need to do it and how far we need to go that differs. I am guessing whoever said that is on the right and likewise I would assume the other extreme on the left would blame capitalism for everything. That's just politicians for you. Most people are in the middle and are totally fine to combine both capitalism with measures to protect the environment.
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The politicians drafting suggestions like this fly private jets which is one of the dirtiest modes of transport on the planet when commercial flights and trains are available.
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@PixelShade Lol Malmö... I figured it was someone living in a small city thinking like this, try applying this to a real city with millions of people. Malmö wouldn't even be considered a city in a lot of countries.
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@BuddyLee23 They are just suggestions and needs to get accepted by all member states, not all EU members share this extreme agenda and the result will most likely be a very watered down version.
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Have you seen a car crash in China? There is a reason Chinese cars are not allowed to be sold in Europe or America, they cannot pass the safety quality controls. Trust me you don't want to sit in a Chinese car in case of a crash, it's bad - really bad. When you cut corners and choose cheaper materials there are consequences.
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@Jompe69 You are free to take the initiative to make the transition, not interested. Also you forgot to add something, "Cars should be more of niche like for ambulance, firefighters, rentable AND RICH PEOPLE". We both know this is exactly what will happen.
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Perhaps we can start by banning the private jets these politicians that lecture us loves to use for short flights when they have commercial flights and trains available.
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Lol yeah let's make it more expensive so only the rich can afford cars. Sounds like a lovely place - you can be as dirty as you want as long as you have the cash to back it up. Perhaps we should reinstate a monarchy and limit air travel to only kings.
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I don't think they are banning cars but yes, I agree. The EU should be TRADE ONLY, as soon as Brussels starts dictating policies for every single nation then we have to ask ourselves if that's what we really want.
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Not everyone lives in a big urban city with a well developed subway/bus network.
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That's not how it works, companies will do whatever is profitable and now they have been jumping on the EV train because governments have been subsidizing this business. They do EV because it generates profits, as soon as the governments decides to subsidize another type of car they will jump on that. Truth be told we don't seem to be running out of oil anytime soon so I don't see how the writing is on the wall. Yeah maybe we will eventually but is that in 50 years, 100 years or 300 years? At the end of the day the everyday person is not going to buy an EV when they come with that price tag, they will pick the cheap alternative. Not because they don't care about the environment but because they cannot afford it. Then add to the fact that the EVS are subsidized and actually would cost more without government support.... they are just too damn expensive to be any realistic option for most people
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@oreinigpb 2035 won't happen, all member states needs to sign off on it. There is no way that will ever happen.
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Ehm okay so basically we ban the cheap alternative to transporting goods which will lead to increased cost to companies which in turn will have to raise the price of their goods to make up for the increased cost making products too expensive for people to afford leading to the companies to sell less and having to downsize to survive. Yeah I am sorry you obviously have not worked within logistics before. Logistics is a very important factor in company growth. What jobs would open up by making people having to resort to fork out 60k Euros for a tesla and companies having to invest money into EV trucks for transport? Perhaps you are thinking about the people that cannot afford these changes and will have to transport goods by walking for long distances, yeah surely that will keep people occupied I guess? Obviously limiting people's access to cars will have an impact on the job market, 60k Euros for a tesla is not feasible for the working class.
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@Vercixx There is no way it will be implemented and set to 2035, just because some liberal politicians draft a very ambitious plan doesn't mean the right wing European governments will blindly agree without watering it down and removing a date. It still needs to be signed off by each and every individual member state, there is no way that will happen as he mentions in the video there is strong opposition.
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I wouldn't say it's dead but it certainly is not a viable and realistic alternative at its current state. There is a possibility things might change if technology advances though.
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It's not realistic though with the price of electric cars if this was implemented then only the rich would drive, maybe that's the goal.
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@timavolkov Can you guarantee that though? There's been plenty of doomsayers during history saying the world will end tomorrow.
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@dalstein3708 Just like Manhattan was supposed to be underwater by 2015 according to "the leading scientists" in the 1980s? lol.
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I don't think we're quite at Middle Eastern level yet lol Donkeys are still far off.
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@kremepye3613 Still too expensive for working class people, even more crazy when you realize it's government subsidized and still it's too expensive for the average citizen.
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@ukj5850 You are always free to not use cars that's fine. Just as I am free to drive my car to work. That's freedom, you just want to limit my options to fit your ideals and values. I am not worried about this resolution, it needs to be signed off by each and every member state which as he said in the video is not happening. Too much opposition. Stop worrying about others are doing, if you really think it's a big deal then don't use cars, I am not forcing you.
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With current pricing? They won't, EV cars is a luxury market aimed at the rich, very few people have the means to afford 60k Euros on a car.
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@uqs57bju Considering the price of the EVS compared to the traditional alternative it is not a ban out right but working class people won't afford a 60k euro tesla and that is AFTER government subsidizing it. Too expensive to be a realistic option.
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You mean for the public right? Vehicles are essential and we would not be able to live in cities without vehicles to transport food and goods to and from a city. Take away all cars and the people of the city would starve and all buisnesses would die.
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