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Comments by "Trazyn" (@Trazynn) on "Dave Rubin: Who I'm Supporting For President | DIRECT MESSAGE | Rubin Report" video.
So for nearly ten minutes straight I was sitting with my but-cheeks clinched waiting for some Hillary cop out endorsement. Boy was I wrong, and boy what a pleasant surprise. I'm not a Libertarian. I won't ever be. But Gary for 2016 would be the most beautiful message Americans could send to each other and to the rest of the world.
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You wouldn't even have the internet to write that the governments do not produce the fruits of society without the government. The government created the internet, touch-screen and GPS. All of these things have such high points of entry that the private sector wouldn't be able to conceive it. Our economy is 50% publicly funded. All the private sector can do is polish what the government already created.
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Ideas are cheap. Execution is expensive. And only a government is willing to pay for an execution that gives no immediate profit yet is of immense value to the country.
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Borders that aren't enforced cease to exist. Look at Tibet or Ukraine. Without government there's no borders just territory to be annexed without opposition. That's why it's highly amusing to see libertarians cling on to them. At least Gary Johnson is a consistent libertarian in that way, you however, are not.
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There's local libertarians and global libertarians. Neither one disqualifies the other from being a libertarian.
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Statelessness just doesn't seem to be the natural equilibrium, like you said so yourself, even the stateless got conquered by a state. Libertarians often argue that it's corporations using the state as a puppet to influence what should have been a free market. However, they never seem to be able to provide how libertarianism is able to keep powerful and wealthy entities to create a state (or something resembling a state) to keep doing their bidding.
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It's called public procurement. The government hires private contractors for infrastructure/service etc. 54% of the economy is public procurement, and yes that's paid by taxation. Without public procurement there wouldn't be any infrastructure, including telecommunications and energy, at all. I'm not anti-free market. It's best at efficiency and catering to the real demands of people. However, the free market is notoriously terrible at managing common pool resources and creating assets that everyone benefits from, especially when they have a high point of entry. There are crucial projects that only the government can start. Furthermore, I prefer Gary Johnson over all other candidates right now. The government should step back on a lot of issues. It should reduce the bureacratic bloat. Reducing government is great if done in the right places. But don't pretend that the private sector is able to handle any challenge, that's delusional.
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We wouldn't be having this discussion over the internet without government. That's what I mean that the private sector is unable to handle crucial tasks.
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Governments don't have to render a profit to their shareholders. That way they can invest into things that don't immediately pay-off, like the internet, like GPS, like touch-screens. Private companies need to make a profit or they go bust. They're unable to make big, long term investments, whether they're taxed or not. The government draws their money from tax-payers, sure. And call it stealing if you have to, but no individual private company would be able to invest this amount of money into innovation. Only a government, call it a despotic government if you have to, has the means to pool the amount of funds together that took us into the information age. If you had your way we'd be telegraphing this conversation in morse.
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Those who invented the internet didn't profit of it at all. It is now provided by private services but the private sector was not and will not be able to invent these things themselves. All major research projects. Mega telescopes, particle coliders and cold fusion experiments, gene sequences and robotics are all publicly funded. So yes, damn right we'd be telegraphing this discussion in your libertarian utopia.
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I fully agree on the private sector turning the government into a puppet is a very bad thing. But libertarianism provides zero means to counter that. Oh and, my point about the government being the only one willing and able to fund innovation that's valuable too all if not directly profitable for the investor, that one still stands. Libertarians are way too eager to ignore where the internet came from.
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Isn't that what you want though? Free market reigning over governments?
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Put isn't the globe the biggest libertarian paradise? Corporations are living the libertarian dream. Unbound by petty state laws. TTIP is corporations telling the governments what to do. Not vice versa.
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Aren't borders defined by states? What's libertarian about respecting borders?
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Public property, yes.
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Moral legitimacy is a subjective thing. State borders are not. A nationalist libertarian is an oxymoron.
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It's not a binary choice either. Putting question marks by Libertarianism doesn't make anyone a staunch Republican or Democrat.
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