Comments by "xXxSkyViperxXx" (@xXxSkyViperxXx) on "Why 30% of Sailors are Filipino" video.
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@sonnystaton ah, u're american, must be if going on all about these ...race race... in ur country...
no, we do not have boxes to click any so called "Race:" nor "Ethnicity:", nor is it on our gov ids nor birth certificates nor school forms nor other government forms. sometimes, there were times, the census tried to copy the US system of doing that, but no, whatever similar system during centuries ago, that was done away on the founding of the country, but then the US came and sometimes attempt to try to do it or talk like the system is like that as well in ph, then it goes back to no, then mostly no, then sometimes, some try to do it, then mostly no. today, only a few private companies do it as an extra interesting thing about a person, but a lot of such companies don't quite get how it specifically works. some of our neighbor countries do that, but there's not a really a required point to do that in ph, cuz like why do we need to do that? lol
then, regarding what you're on about in your country about how u guys classify the fil-ams as "Filipino" ethnicity. no, that is not their ethnicity. that's just a convenient umbrella name ur country put up they took from the nationality to not deal with the real ethnicities they really come from or are mixed with... and it does not really matter to me what "support" you're going on about. if u guys there want to keep having such a system or whatever system for urselves, it does not concern us in the other side of the globe... if u're a sociology graduate specialized in asian societies, i'd actually be wondering why you don't know why this is so... but i guess the europeans might be right that the US education system is not so great these days... If u want an explanation of the real ethnicities in the philippines, well ill give u another comment to explain at least some bits about it...
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@sonnystaton all of the below are "Filipino", i'll list them up like this, just to be brief, but each of these listed are themselves umbrella terms containing many many ethnicities each speaking many of their own different languages. A lot of them are also mixed with each other or have different religions, meaning it is valid to say one is not just of one ethnic group, especially many can speak each other's languages. All of them have also had history living in the philippines for several centuries, with only American Filipinos (not the Fil-Ams) only having a century under their belt, and the only the Korean Filipinos and Iranian Filipinos only having been in the philippines in the past recent decades under one generation:
- Negrito groups - e.g. Aeta, Ati, Agta, Arta, Alta, Batak, Mamanwa, etc. etc.
- Highland/Older Austronesian groups - e.g. Ifugao, Kankanay, Kalinga, Ibaloi, Mangyan, Tagbanwa, Subanon, Manobo, Mansaka, T'boli, B'laan, Tasaday, etc. etc.
- Lowland Austronesian groups - e.g. Tagalog, Cebuano Bisaya, Ilocano, Bicolano, Ilonggo, Waray, Kapampangan, Pangasinense, Tausug, Maguindanaon, Maranao, etc. etc.
- Chinese Filipinos - Hokkien, Cantonese, Taishanese, etc.
- Spanish Filipinos - Andalusian, Catalan, Castillian, Basque, Americano, etc.
- Japanese Filipinos - Ryukyuan, Kyushu, Kansai, Kanto, etc.
- Mestizo de Español (Spanish Mestizo)
- Mestizo de Sangley (Chinese Mestizo)
- Tornatrás (further mix of the above mestizos)
- Indian Filipinos - Tamil, Punjabi, Sindhi, Marathi, Indian Mestizos, etc.
- Sangirese
- Jewish Filipinos
- American Filipinos
- Filipinos with Arab ancestry
- Korean Filipinos
- Iranian Filipinos
All of the above are "Filipino" as mandated by law, and as per the original spirit of the Philippine Revolution that instituted it, so long as they have the citizenship nationality and/or pretty much born and/or raised in the Philippines, mixed or not. there are no "half-filipinos", only full filipinos who may or may not have dual citizenship and/or a person of another nationality but has ancestors that is or were filipino. "Filipino" is not necessarily a person of ethnic pure or majority lowland austronesian ethnicity, but it is a known stereotype, just like the stereotype of "American" that some immediately think first a "White American" of British/European-descent. there exists pure or majority-descended ethnic chinese or ethnic spanish families in the philippines who have lived there for generations or even centuries. there's even more a lot who are basically mixed ethnic chinese and/or ethnic spaniards mixed with usually the lowland austronesian groups and these families have been like this for centuries enough that they do not keep track of their ancestries anymore and are fully assimilated and just say they are just "Filipino" as well. the national hero and other historical figures in philippine history are all great examples of these. these people are all equally filipino, just like any kababayan. some of them have lived their whole lives in the philippines without ever stepping outside.
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@sonnystaton It seems you are very confused. A nationality is indeed meant to be diverse just like most other countries in most parts of Earth. you go on about how there are many different populations coming and admixing with each other and that they can be uniquely identified just like most other parts of the world. Yes, What about it? That is what I just said about what "Filipino" is, so what is supposed to be not consistent to what i mentioned before?
I have not mentioned any dialects, unless you are also uninformed about outdated info on languages in the Philippines. Your comparison about New Yorkers and Southerners does not really say anything contrary to what I told you. The New Yorker could very well be of a different ethnicity than the Southerner despite speaking whatever, since "American" in the US is also a nationality and not an ethnicity. I can say the same thing whichever part of the Philippines and whichever language one uses. The ability to speak a language does not say if one is Filipino or not. I can also speak some American English dialects but that doesn't mean I'm American, so what does this have to do with how Filipino being an ethnicity?
As for DNA tests, that is a vague topic that geneticists struggle with themselves, but the DNA testing companies try to make it easier to understand for their customers using some generalizations. If you ask me to take a DNA test to test if i am "Filipino", then I assure you, it will not go as you expected because my DNA is for sure going to be different from the stereotypical Filipino, but regardless of which, I am Filipino nevertheless on all regards. It is something I am born with, regardless of ethnicity. Also, the Cebuano language and the Hiligaynon language are not dialects of each other. they have common origins, just as English and Frisian does, but it does not make them dialect to any of each other. Also, Cebuano and Ilonggo people are indeed separate ethnic groups, just as they are separate ethnic groups to Tagalogs, Ilocanos, Pangasinenses, etc. Ethnic groups are social groups of common cultural tradition and the above groups have different cultural traditions they've maintained for centuries. They still have common traditions, but it does not mean they are not of a different ethnic group. Contrary to American perceptions, stark cultural or national differences are not only what makes different ethnic groups.
"Philippines" is a country and "Filipino" its nationality. It is not currently an ethnicity, unless you are referring to the original Filipinos, during the Spanish Colonial times, which were the philippine-born spaniards born and/or raised in the Philippines, before the Philippine Revolution upturned that era and declared "Filipino" to act as the nationality for everyone. Ever since the American colonial era, when they swiped that independence under them, it was always Americans who conflated "Filipino" with both nationality and ethnicity, of which you are still doing now and accusing me of conflation when you are caught red-handed doing it.
The Philippines does not have the same system as China and their use of one English word for their nationality and major ethnicity. Trying to generalize us with another country is itself ridiculous. Also, your statement of "Not all Chinese are Han, but all Han are Chinese." is not true at all, at least the 2nd phrase. Not all "Ethnic Han" are "Chinese Nationals", but "Ethnic Han" is synonymous to "Ethnic Chinese". Just ask a Chinese Singaporean if he is a Chinese National, and he will definitely say No, he is not (Singapore & China does not have dual citizenship), but indeed a Chinese Singaporean has Ethnic Chinese background. The same thing can be said for Chinese Filipinos. They are not Chinese Nationals. Many have never even been to China and there do exist such kind of people who have never left the Philippines where they were born and died their whole lives.
Also, "Race" is a ridiculous outdated concept Americans cling too much on. This is a concept formed from Blumenbach's outdated teachings that Americans kept expounding upon. There is no "Asian Race", unless you're referring to Haplogroup O, which does not even cover all of the Asian continent.
If you speak of shared attributes with Filipino American communities, do note there are also Filipino Americans who are technically Ethnic Chinese or Ethnic Spaniards or have both at the same time, & etc. yet they still identify as "Filipino" in the US. They could very well check some other box and you guys wouldn't see a difference. Why does it even matter in your country, when in the Philippines, people have no problem without such classifications?
These terms, "American", "Canadian", "Mexican", "Brazilian", "Indonesian", "Malaysian", and even "Chinese", "Korean", "Japanese", "Thai", etc. are all Nationalities, but the latter 4 words have history of also at the same time being used to refer to a specific ethnicity. This is a confusion with languages like English tho that conflate ethnicity and nationality, due to the past ethnic-based revolutions in Europe before, which is why some countries there have histories of population exchanges all because of their perceived ethnic groups. It does not mean that every country in the world tho works like this, that a Nationality = the ethnicity of everyone there. The behavior of diasporas are not only to specific ethnic groups, they can also come together due to common nationality or even other generalizations or other reasons. Thinking that a congregation of a certain group immediately means they are of only one ethnicity is a very simplistic view of things. Though, if Fil-Ams do that often enough for generations there in the US, they may make their own ethnic group in your country, but it won't back in my country. If that indeed happens, I'd be wondering as well if groups of goth kids or truckers or mormons do sunday gatherings and festivals in the US if they will also become their own ethnicity in your eyes. lol If you join these sunday gatherings and festivals, does it make you "ethnic Filipino" too? If a Filipino American does not join these sunday gatherings or festivals, does that make them Not "ethnic Filipino"? lol
you accuse me of conflation, but you are the one further conflating the Filipino nationality as every Filipino's ethnicity. It seems more like you are just projecting
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@sonnystaton If you can't accept it, I won't need your projections. I've already given you the definitions from the dictionary and even from google. If you want to keep deluding yourself with the racist american system of conflating nationality and ethnicity together and having these arbitrary US-based umbrella "Race" terms, it's just you guys there in the states be peddling that. There's no need to peddle your confusions to people of other countries. The examples you cited, English, French, German, these are all from Europe, the birthplace of ethnic-based nationalities, the germanic-speaking countries of which often had segregationist colonial policies before. If you took a political science class in college before, you'd know there are territorial countries and there are actually a lot of those out in the world. such kind of countries do not have a nationality = only ethnicity situation. Also, French and German also contain multiple ethnicities. There are Bretons, Corsicans, Algerians, numerous other ethnic groups from former French-colonial Africa and etc. The French themselves are a mixture of romanized celtic gauls with germanic franks and a lot more mixed into that identity throughout the centuries. They all have every right to call themselves "French" as their nationality, but not necessarily their ethnicity. For Germans, there are also Saxons, Bavarians, etc. and many other assimilated slavic groups & etc. The English themselves used to be a mix of ethnic Angles and Saxons, some Anglicized Celtic Britons, and Anglicized Normans, and even now, they have Pakistanis, Nepalis, Indians, etc. Many of such can call themselves British, despite being ethnically indian or whatever.
It looks like you did not understand the point of what me still being Filipino despite not having the common ancestral heritage of the majority in whatever ancestry test. This point itself is contrary to what you're saying, so it is actually an unassailable point for me and not for you lol, that Filipino is not an ethnicity, but simply a nationality one can be.
your understanding of the possibility of a New Yorker being of a separate ethnicity to a Southerner is asinine. A New Yorker could very well be an Italian American and speak the New York American English dialect, while a US Southerner could very well be a Black African American and speak a Southern American English dialect or vice versa. That is a common case where they are separate ethnicities, regardless of speech. How you do not understand this and have to be explained by someone from the other side of the planet is asinine.
A lot of ethnic groups already distinguished themselves before the birth of many nations. Such nations for example, the Philippines, the United States, Canada, etc. etc. If you think the Philippines only has one ethnicity because the nation is somehow so old that everyone is the same, my goodness, you do not know anything about Philippine history. The country itself in its present form was a result of your country's doing. It defacto is only 75yrs old as of this writing. Most ethnicities within the Philippines have distinguished themselves separately before the country's founding and de facto independence.
There is no point discussing things with one who projects like what you're doing. Better read up on your own ironic statements, cuz you yourself are not clear on the difference of nationality and ethnicity.
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@hchen2513 what you say is what people always have said even before, something along the lines of, "that's hard cuz we're poor. easy for u cuz u privileged", which doesn't really change anything besides act as an excuse for what is the current reality one still has to go through regardless. hard or not, the reality is the reality. these supposed "privileged" at some point had predecessors that went through the struggle and got to their position through it.
if you assume someone that thinks this mindset immediately "comes from a very privileged point of view.", perhaps, u just have not met one who accepts this reality, despite it stacked up against him. everyone goes through it, privileged or not, regardless of the hardship and drama. if u want to change it, u inevitably have to go through the struggle regardless of anything. life is not meant to be fair in the first place.
there's a good amount already that went through the arduous process despite being "dirt poor with mouths to feed" before. there's always a choice, but sadly it is limited to each person's capability and mindset to proactively unlock or at least seek those doors of opportunity.
there are certain existing demographic of families in the philippines where despite they started out "dirt poor with mouths to feed", many are now securer and even very privileged that one may imagine. how did they do it? the family parents or grandparents or great grandparents went through the struggle and hardship of pioneering those businesses and industries, which their mindset early on or eventually focused on that path, rather than just continually work work work as an underling employee for the rest of their lives. who eventually benefited from the stopping that mindset? of course, their future.
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@dagger3418 u're miscontruing the should-be's to what the realities of the world gives on ur platter. it's not me who controls this nor is it something i wish myself. lol. reality is reality. if u think wars are not normal, perhaps look through history and no matter how long it has been, wars have been normal for thousands of years. even now, humans are still not able to stop it or in this case, each other. is it desirable? no. but that is the reality everyone faces regardless if u dont like it.
what will i do? if they don't succeed. of course nothing, why should u expect me, another human in the system, to do something for them. should i expect you to do something for them? or should i expect u to do something for me? i should be wondering what they will indeed do to pull themselves out of the rut they are in. just like i am myself and everyone else i know are struggling to succeed and pull ourselves out of the rut. can i do anything about this system? no. all i can do is get through the system that is set, just like you and everyone else. idk if u r an adult already but if u are or not, u should quickly understand this reality we cannot easily change ourselves. everyone has the obligation in life to better oneself, also known as to 'Git Gud'. if u ask me to give you opportunities, what's the difference if i ask you to give me opportunities? nothing. can you give me opportunities? or do u want to imagine someone will come to spoonfeed you? if u r not yet an adult, this is a brutal reality everyone eventually faces out in the world. adulting is hard. the sooner one accepts this. the sooner one has time to focus and think of how to 'git gud' at life. all im saying, me and you, we cannot change this system. it is system-built. this video saying something about supposedly "the state not giving its citizens proper opportunities." is like asking your own parents that. eventually one learns, u can or will be a parent as well and then, younger people will ask u the same demands and questions thinking u betrayed them too about these "proper opportunities" you could not give them... kaysa nganga ka then, realize mo ng maaga, everyone is for their own. the brutal evolutionary natural selection system is older than humans and the fact that humans exist the way they are now is becuz humans successfully survived through getting gud....
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@dagger3418 u say "No" but that's what i've already been saying. u do something about it. u go through the entire process and struggle of doing something about it. everyone can do something about it and go through the struggle of going through that, but rather a lot of filipinos clamor about how their place is not good and imagining others should've made it better. everyone already thinks this, so who are those "others" or this imagined "government" such people blame so much on, when who else but themselves. people like this are basically badmouthing their own or themselves, when the situation is but a reflection of their own. they could've done something about it themselves. there is a lack of ownership and responsibility for their own. they just deprecate themselves and conclude they should quit and go off to other countries, because the usual drama they dont want to deal with going through the struggle of life in ph, cuz boohoo others are so bad and corrupt or pin it on the imagined evil government. who else are the government? it's also supplied by the people themselves. there's no current restriction to who is the government. anyone who wants to work as the government can strive to get in and be the government. so who is the government? filipinos themselves are their own government, yet filipinos complain about "the government" who are... themselves. to these kinds of filipinos, i say why not better the place yourself? the reaction all the time, oh so hard, let's just run to another country.... some other people painstakingly built...
also, youtube is mostly entertainment, yes. or at least, the point of many channels is at the very least that. the video is more of a pinoybaiting one, cuz many youtubers already know filipino audiences just quickly click any video that's remotely anything to do with them, even tho theyre not the most informed about that topic.
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