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Public accommodation. If you want to be free to create or not create whatever you want…don’t go into BUSINESS with it. Once you go into a business that serves the public, then you need to follow the law. This isn’t about creative freedom. This is about trying to make religious bigotry legal, and allow religious fundamentalist to play morality police.
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@justkate2529 Who are “these people” you are referring to. I don’t know who “they” are. Last time I checked obtaining multiple quotes from several businesses before awarding one the job is common practice. Simple way to avoid these kinds of problems: DO YOUR JOB. Want a Muslim Uber driver to be free to kick you out of his car because you smell of alcohol, or a Hindu driver refusing to carry you because you’re eating a burger? Think not.
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@BillDownhill Got that backwards. I’m a grown up who understands how boundaries work and how to set my feelings aside and do my JOB. I don’t have to like a customer. I don’t even have to agree with what they are doing. But if it isn’t against the law, then it’s none of my business and how they choose to use THEIR freedom. What is sad and twisted is watching how many people ignorantly defend the warped thinking that gave the world Segregation in the South and Apartheid in South Africa. If you don’t want to serve the public—all of it—don’t go into a business that is a public accommodation. This Court is prepared to wipe its butt with The Constitution and The First Amendment.
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@BillDownhill No it doesn’t. Try refusing an interracial couple that same service and see how that mentality works for you. At least until this Kangaroo Court gets around to removing those rights as well.
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@BillDownhill No. I’m enforcing the 14th. Equal Protection of the Law. If you don’t want to serve all of the public you are free to NOT go into a business that is a public accommodation. You are not free to discriminate against classes of people you don’t like. This Court is trying to carve out a loophole in this common sense civic value and constitutional right to serve their own religious prejudices. It’s seperate-but-equal and history will punish them for it.
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@jtither4646 They are forcing them to do their JOB. Some of you have no concept of boundaries. Unless a customer is violating the law, their private life is none of your business. Jesus said to walk away from the unbeliever and leave them alone. Not self-righteously punish them and try to impose your will upon them. He constantly condemned the Pharisees for this.
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@michaellaughery6411 That’s how bigotry in “polite” society works.
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@utubewillyman Flip the script. You travel to a community that is majority Muslim. And they refuse to serve you in any way because it offends their religious values. So you can’t do business of any sort. Worse still you get injured, and no one at the local hospital will treat you. You can’t have a civil society acting like that. It will tear itself apart if people aren’t required to act like the have some basic sense.
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@vagabondwastrel2361 Not the same. They were being discriminatory. No different than if it had been an interracial couple that had been refused service.
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@utubewillyman Thay privilege is only available to you if you are in the majority. Blacks in the South didn’t have the freedom to go places or not do business with those who didn’t discriminate. Because the Law made sure that everyone did. It is for precisely your mentality that the 14th Amendment had to be added to the Constitution.
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@jpsphoto-vision8803 It only seems “obvious” to those who are ignorant of our history and the corrosive effects that underwriting such blatant displays of bigotry have on civil society. If you don’t want to serve the entire public, then don’t open a business. Your rights end where mine begin. You are free to believe whatever you want in the privacy of your mind, and behind the closed doors of your home. But leaves any prejudice you have there when you come to work.
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@jtither4646 And you don’t understand The Constitution and the First Amendment’s Establishment Clause. The Government doesn’t have a right to privilege a particular religion. Other citizens have a right to not have YOUR religious beliefs imposed upon them. Because you will have those of others imposed on you when you stop being the majority. This is not a fight about religious liberty, it’s about cultural dominance and being able to force others to have to abide by the dictates of your religion. It’s no different than the Taliban or the Morality Police in Iran. It goes against every value this country was founded upon.
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@justcurious3525 If they are being discriminatory? Yes. This is the same TWISTED thinking that made Jim Crow legal for almost a century.
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@jtither4646 I’m responding to the comments being made and the context set by them. This Kangaroo Supreme Court is preapared to roll back a half-century of social progress. Trying to drag us back to a world that is gone and is never coming back
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@michaelbruvolt4221 You can disagree all you want. You don’t have a right to discriminate. You values are your values, and you don’t have a right to impose them on others. They have just as much of a right to be FREE FROM your religion as you have to practice it without interference. So many of you fail to practice Jesus’ admonition to render unto the world what is the worlds, and instead try to control others.
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@michaelbruvolt4221 And they do so at the risk of their legitimacy…and Roberts knows it. This court is on track to become one of the worst in history. Right up there with the Ferguson court who legitimized Seperate But Equal and a century of Segregation.
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@jtither4646 There is a point. You just fail to see it because it’s YOUR religion and it’s not YOU being oppressed by it. The Taliban and the Iranian Morality Police feel that they too have the right to impose their religion on others whether they like it or not. No one is telling you that you have to approve or believe in gay marriage. They are telling you to simply do your job and make an f-ing cake and mind your own business as to what it’s going to be used for. We don’t have a cult problem here. We have a BOUNDARIES problem because people don’t understand or accept when they need to mind their own business and when the world doesn’t need or want their opinion.
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@cheeseheadfiddle This^^. I’m as straight as they come, but this is exactly why this is important. Let the camel’s nose of legalized discrimination under the tent, and we’ll soon have the entire beast back inside….
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@jtither4646 No it’s not. I swear how do some of you LIVE with no sense of boundaries like this?? Forcing my ideology on the church is telling the church it has to PERFORM gay weddings, or recognize them in the practice of their faith. That’s a violation of the First Amendment. But just because you’re Christian doesn’t mean that everyone else has to bow to your value system. Some things are simply none of your f-ing business. Especially if you are running a business that is a public accommodation. This isn’t about your freedom. This is about you wanting use your power as the majority to limit the freedom of those you don’t like. Do your job. If you can’t, get out of the business and let it be done by someone who can do it without discrimination.
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@jtither4646 No I’m not stupid. I just hold you to the same standard that we hold hold other religious authoritarians. It isn’t different or better simply because the religion being forced upon others against their will is Christianity. …and the fact that you need to resort to insults the second your views get challenged? Call into question the rightness of your position. Good trees bear good fruit. Not bitter ones. Scratch the surface and the hate quickly comes out…
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@jtither4646 Because in a country ruled by the US Constitution…and the Civil Rights Act? You don’t have that right. Because it impinges on the rights of others to live their lives freely and it’s corrosive to the fabric of civil society. Which is why Segregation and Apartheid were gotten rid of. This is no different.
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@jtither4646 Wrong again. Your feelings aren’t facts. My parents grew up under Segregation. I’m old enough to remember a South Africa that was an international pariah because of Apartheid. I’m jus pointing out that I’m hearing the same TWISTED logic coming from people here, that were used to defend those historical evils. In fact the same logic that was used in the Supreme Court decision that made Segregation LEGAL. Im sorry that the truth hurts. But if it hurts then that usual means that there is something you need to re-examine. Because what you are trying to defend goes against what Jesus Himself taught, in terms of how we are to treat sin and non-believers.
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@markarich159 So you would hold the future hostage to the sins and ignorance of the past? The Ancient Greeks considered anyone who didn’t speak Greek to be a barbarian. The past gets a vote, not a veto. Which is how precedent is supposed to work. These “justices” are ignoring stare précis (which IIRC is rooted in English Law) and are pushing their own reactionary agenda.
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@UNITED2009100 No. The law is grey because Life is messy and the law is the lowest standard of behavior that society will accept before it starts handing out negative consequences. It’s grey because you have to interpret and apply the law, and no law can be written in a way that it can predict every situation where it may ever apply. Also, societies EVOLVE and behavior that used to be accepted stops being acceptable. So that lowest standard get redefined upwards.
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@markarich159 Our Constitutional tradition is rooted in English law. Not Ancient Greece. As for the Latin, I studied it for four years. Apple auto-correct doesn’t like Latin and tries to turn it back into English. Besides. You might want to learn your history before trying to correct my Latin. Because the real point here is that our relationship to legal precedent is rooted in English Law….and the notion that the Ancient Greeks were somehow better is just your opinion, and is frankly not relevant to our legal tradition.
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@markarich159 They are not idiotic. They are pointing out that you are comparing apples to lawn furniture…and insisting that apples are better.
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That’s how unprincipled (tribal) morality works. Whatever benefits my group is good by definition. Whatever doesn’t benefit my group is bad by definition. Smh.
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@kennethng8346 No. The situations are fundamentally different and she would understand that if she weren’t a zealot, who is unable to seperate her personal beliefs from her professional responsibilities.
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Not Necessarily The News Yeah….and since when did God need your help enforcing His Law? Your job is to forgive. Let he who is without sin cast the first stone. Forgetting that you are a sinner as well IS ITSELF a sin: Pride.
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Not Necessarily The News Nope. There are rules we all must follow.
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Not Necessarily The News Either you are not a Christian or you have not read the New Testament. The central miracle of Christianity is that humans are not capable of living a sin free life. So Jesus died on the Cross to Atone for our Sins, so that the Law is Fulfilled, and believers can be forgiven of their Sins. To insist that humans can be taught how to live a sin-free life to to invalidate Christianity itself. Wow.
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Not Necessarily The News Yes. And that is between them and God, and is none of your business.. Unless they are a member of your church. Which is why Jesus instructed the Apostles to simply walk away when they encountered those who were not open to hearing His Word. It’s why He told us that we are to forgive 70 times 7. Because none of are perfect, and none of us are sinless. Ever stop to think that the role of some being worse sinners is to test your capacity to forgive and to show kindness rather than give into the temptation to stand in judgment??
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Not Necessarily The News No I don’t misinterpret it. I grew up in a Baptist home, and actually READ them. Rather than just accepting someone else’s interpretation of them. What happens is too many Christians like to pick-and-choose which parts of The Gospels the honor…and far too many live by the legalism of the Old Testament while paying lip service to the New.
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@JUNEBUGLLC Hardly. Just that the Left is evolving (slowly) past bigotry and tribalism. Hate is still hate no matter how it’s packaged.
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@stophate2023 Religion doesn’t violate them. Just the way some people choose to use it.
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Not Necessarily The News Smh. Pharisees…. “When a man says he seeks God, he is wise. Follow him. When a man says he has found God, he is a fool. Avoid him” —-Islamic proverb.
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@stophate2023 Anything can be corrupted to justify/rationalize fear and hate. Fire can be used to warm your house…or burn someone else’s down. The fire isn’t different. Just the intentions of the person using it.
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